Which Seasons did LeBron have the most help in the league?

[Mamba4Life]

Like how Jordan had the most help in the league from 1990-1998 (no second option was as good as Pippen in any of those Years)

Discuss

[RRR3]

During his time on the Heat. 2011 he blew it. Injuries and fatigue prevented them from 3peating in 2014 though.

[Lebron23]

During his time on the Heat.

This

[HBK_Kliq_2]

2011 I think Lebron had clearly the best help in the league. You can also make arguments for 2012 Wade Bosh, 2016 Irving Love and 2019 AD.

1 clear cut and 3 other arguable years.

[RRR3]

2011 I think Lebron had clearly the best help in the league. You can also make arguments for 2012 Wade Bosh, 2016 Irving Love and 2019 AD.

1 clear cut and 3 other arguable years.
I don't think there's any argument for 2019. AD+role players isn't particularly amazing help. AD is the man for sure, though.

[Mamba4Life]

During his time on the Heat. 2011 he blew it. Injuries and fatigue prevented them from 3peating in 2014 though.

So why did they miss the playoffs once he left?

Why didn’t they win 55 games like the 94 Bulls?

[AlternativeAcc.]

2011 they had zero depth, no chemistry and a rookie head coach

Kobe had the best help that year but got swept by the Mavs

2012 is the only year I think lebron had the most help.

[RRR3]

So why did they miss the playoffs once he left?

Why didn’t they win 55 games like the 94 Bulls?
Because of injuries and Wade declining. Chalmers was also a lot worse without LeBron. IIRC Battier retired too. He was a key piece.

[Roundball_Rock]

The Thunder had Durant, Westbrook, Harden for the two years of the Heat where Wade was still Wade.

[RRR3]

The Thunder had Durant, Westbrook, Harden for the two years of the Heat where Wade was still Wade.
Harden didn't become a star until his last year on the Thunder though.

[Manny98]

2011, hell no the Heat had the worst bench in NBA history and were starting scrub ass Joel Anthony at Center :roll:

2013 is the only year where you could argue he had the most help, that's it

[Mamba4Life]

2011, hell no the Heat had the worst bench in NBA history and were starting scrub ass Joel Anthony at Center :roll:

2013 is the only year where you could argue he had the most help, that's it

Isn’t 2013 the year Wade averaged 15ppg on 45% and Bosh averaged 12ppg on 40% in the playoffs? :roll:


It was the worst championship help ever

[Manny98]

Isn’t 2013 the year Wade averaged 15ppg on 45% and Bosh averaged 12ppg on 40% in the playoffs? :roll:


It was the worst championship help ever
Yikes

Rule out 2013 as well:lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I don't think there's any argument for 2019. AD+role players isn't particularly amazing help. AD is the man for sure, though.

It depends on if you still think 2019 Lebron is goat level or not. If you're a goat level player and your 2nd best player is a top 5 player in the league (1996 Pippen, 2011 Wade, 2019 A Davis) you are automatic title favorites majority of the time. Regardless of luc longely or Anthony at center or whatever else is on the roster.

[G0ATbe]

Every team hes played on resembled a ymca squad whenever he went to the bench so I’m gonna go with none. His best rosters were always top heavy with no decent bigs/no playmakers and an awful bench

[Mamba4Life]

Which one?

[ArbitraryWater]

2010/2011

1 year

MJ had it for 9

[PeteVecseySwag]

Jordan made and molded Pippen so, that’s an odd statement to make.

He didn’t flip flop teams to squads with pre established stars. Miami, second Cleveland stint, LA and his own sports agent manipulation to get Davis there asap.

So that’s an entirely different animal you’re comparing, one with longevity where he left his championship DNA not just on one organization, but basically helped mold a raw talent like Scottie Pippen into the player he eventually would become. So Jordan created his next best player and essentially his quality cast.

It’s admitted in this documentary by numerous players, coaches, and opposition. Plus Jordan’s leadership style hardened all the other softies like Pippen, Grant, King, Perdue, Wennington, Kerr, etc

Even then ‘91 - ‘93 is one of the weakest championship supporting casts talent wise for a HOFer of all time. Hell in ways the second three peat is too. Piss poor scoring and shot creation besides Jordan. Scottie’s back broke down and was kind of terrible offensively. Kukoc has oddly become overrated. Super inconsistent. Rodman was amazing in 1996, on exclusively one side of the ball, and then was injured or malcontent or a distraction with regressing abilities in 1997 and 1998.

To the point at times Brian Williams in 1997 looked like the better option on the floor with them at PF. Yes, that HOF consistent all star Bison Dele.

So your point is inaccurate. Jordan had the best support in the league arguably in 1996, but it really would’ve been Shawn Kemp with the best cast in the league. Or Hakeem. Then in 1997 and 1998 it was either Karl Malone, or Shaq, or funny enough Reggie.

But to answer your actual question, LeBron had the best supporting cast in the league in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016.

Best in the East especially given relative to competition in 2017 and 2018.

There was years Jordan didn’t even have the best supporting cast within his own conference when he won championships. 1992, and 1993 Price had more. 1992, and 1993 Ewing had more. Hell, 1993 Dominique arguably had more.

In the Finals, comparing the casts, then 1992 Drexler had more. 1993 Barkley had more.

[Goalgoalabc]

The last season at Cleveland

[ImKobe]

2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2016, 2020.

Lebron from 07-now has always had the rosters built around his talents, he's almost always had great shooters on his rosters with the exception of last year maybe, though Ball and Ingram improved heavily from 3 after leaving the Lebron Ball system.

[Smoke117]

2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2016, 2020.

Lebron from 07-now has always had the rosters built around his talents, he's almost always had great shooters on his rosters with the exception of last year maybe, though Ball and Ingram improved heavily from 3 after leaving the Lebron Ball system.

LeBron had the most help in 2009? Wtf? Have you kobrick stans gone as full retard as the Jordan stans now? :lol. Gasol and Odom who your hero had in 2009 are better than anyone Bran had on the Cavs in 2009.

[ImKobe]

LeBron had the most help in 2009? Wtf? Have you kobrick stans gone as full retard as the Jordan stans now? :lol. Gasol and Odom who your hero had in 2009 are better than anyone Bran had on the Cavs in 2009.

There are more than 3 players on a roster. Cavs had a loaded front court with Varejao, Big Z & Ben Wallace, they also had a lot of shooters with Mo, Delonte, Szczerbiak & Pavlovic all shooting around or over 40% from three. Great rebounding, defense and 3-Point shooting.

Gasol might have been better than Lebron's 2nd option, but the Cavs have a huge edge from 4-8. Bynum wasn't healthy that Playoffs either, he was below-average when he did play. Walton was still our 8th man and he couldn't shoot. Lakers were below-average as a 3-Point shooting team in the RS. The thing that set the Lakers apart from the Cavs was their ball movement. While the Cavs were just 20th in assists(Lebron Ball), the Lakers ranked 2nd in that category.

[Smoke117]

There are more than 3 players on a roster. Cavs had a loaded front court with Varejao, Big Z & Ben Wallace, they also had a lot of shooters with Mo, Delonte, Szczerbiak & Pavlovic all shooting around or over 40% from three. Great rebounding, defense and 3-Point shooting.

Gasol might have been better than Lebron's 2nd option, but the Cavs have a huge edge from 4-8. Bynum wasn't healthy that Playoffs either, he was below-average when he did play. Walton was still our 8th man and he couldn't shoot. Lakers were below-average as a 3-Point shooting team in the RS. The thing that set the Lakers apart from the Cavs was their ball movement. While the Cavs were just 20th in assists(Lebron Ball), the Lakers ranked 2nd in that category.

Depth means nothing in the playoffs. Just save your breath and what’s left of your dignity and shut the **** up for your own sake. You are embarrassing yourself right now.

[Roundball_Rock]

Jordan didn't "create" anything. He has been in the league since 1984 and the only creation myth is a guy who was the #5 pick.

How is Jordan "creating" HOF players working in Charlotte?

[Smoke117]

Jordan didn't "create" anything. He has been in the league since 1984 and the only creation myth is a guy who was the #5 pick.

How is Jordan "creating" HOF players working in Charlotte?

Well they did sign Terry Rozier...:oldlol: He talked all this big shit how he was being held back and he’s just a pretty good player on the hornets...nothing special you’d think after he talked himself up and shit on his former teammates. He talked a big mess on Hayward who has clearly been a much better player than him this season.

[Roundball_Rock]

Well they did sign Terry Rozier...:oldlol: He talked all this big shit how he was being held back and he’s just a pretty good player on the hornets...nothing special you’d think after he talked himself up and shit on his former teammates. He talked a big mess on Hayward who has clearly been a much better player than him this season.

:lol

The Wizards and Hornets/Bobcats have been nothing but lottery teams. All those lottery picks and mysteriously no other Pippen emerged there, or from Chicago other than Pippen himself. Why doesn't MJ wave his magic wand and "make" a HOF player? Does he no longer have the "will to win" in Charlotte?

[ImKobe]

Depth means nothing in the playoffs. Just save your breath and what’s left of your dignity and shut the **** up for your own sake. You are embarrassing yourself right now.

How is depth meaningless, when Cavs went 9 deep in the Playoffs? Almost every championship team goes 8 deep, at least in the modern era. Cavs's shooting tanked in the post-season, because teams gave Lebron single coverage, which led to less open 3s than in the RS. Lebron always had the ball, so he was easier to game plan against.

[LeCroix]

Every team hes played on resembled a ymca squad whenever he went to the bench so I’m gonna go with none. His best rosters were always top heavy with no decent bigs/no playmakers and an awful bench

Correct

Imagine sliding bron a prime pippen for 10 years or a dennis rodman

Game over

[LeCroix]

LeBron had the most help in 2009? Wtf? Have you kobrick stans gone as full retard as the Jordan stans now? :lol. Gasol and Odom who your hero had in 2009 are better than anyone Bran had on the Cavs in 2009.

Smoke stay smokin these fools

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