Breaking News: China renewing lockdown restrictions after new coronavirus outbreak

[dreamshake]

Boom. Second coronavirus outbreak confirmed. So China's been dealing with this since last year for at least seven months, but Trump is trying to shortcut the process to two months. Premature desperation.

There should be a rule to impeach the president for doing things in his best interest which hurt or kill people in the country.

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEIDrgZyg98SKkYMKWDnQZskqLggEKiUIACIbd3d3LmJ1c2 luZXNzaW5zaWRlci5jb20vc2FpKgQICjAMMOyIywY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

[Long Duck Dong]

It's President Trump. Not Governor Trump.

[Patrick Chewing]

So OP just created this thread to bash Trump?? You could have just saved us all the time and titled your thread appropriately: “I hate Trump and I’m a jackass.”

[brownmamba00]

Second wave coming up. We are ****ed if it's true.

[DoctorP]

well, if theres a second wave then Im not going out there :lol


cuomo hasnt opened up shit yet

[Nanners]

On Sunday, the country's National Health Commission reported 17 new coronavirus diagnoses, the highest number in almost two weeks, and the second day in a row new cases were in the double digits, Reuters reported.

Wow... 17 new cases! lock down everything!

its not just a second wave, its basically a tsunami

[DoctorP]

keep us locked down and send those checks.

its really quite simple

[AlternativeAcc.]

keep us locked down and send those checks.

its really quite simple

Haha good shit

[dreamshake]

Trump: "We will end up with 60,000 (deaths) by the end of pandemic". Real death count as of today: 80000 and increasing every day.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/en.as.com/en/2020/04/21/other_sports/1587494789_908966.amp.html

https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/odds-trump-top-expert-says-dangerous-reopen-too-fast-doc-1rf87v2

Don't worry guys, everything is under control!!! (Sarcasm)

[bladefd]

I don't think it's a new wave but new outbreak. When we open up, we will have local outbreaks unfortunately that will require localized lockdowns. This won't completely stop until we get a vaccine sometime next spring. Until we get to that point, we are not out of the woods. No country will be. Just nature of the game.

We will see how lockdown works out in USA. We will probably find a way to fumble that too and wreck the flattened curve, but hopefully people wear masks at least and maintain distance.

[DoctorP]

Haha good shit

its true, the industrialists like Musk want us slaving and dying for em so they can meet their stock holders quotas. **** dat.

we should be locked down and getting our checks


BERNIEEEEEEEEE

[dreamshake]

its true, the industrialists like Musk want us slaving and dying for em so they can meet their stock holders quotas. **** dat.

we should be locked down and getting our checks


BERNIEEEEEEEEE

Yeah, **** Elon Musk!! Overworking his employees to increase his wallet even in this pandemic. Get the hell out of California, bitch!!

And keep them checks coming. We ain't risking our lives for corporate America.

[bladefd]

Wow... 17 new cases! lock down everything!

its not just a second wave, its basically a tsunami

Get your head out of your ass, jabroni

[Long Duck Dong]

Yeah, **** Elon Musk!! Overworking his employees to increase his wallet even in this pandemic. Get the hell out of California, bitch!!

That's the attitude. California still has Mississippi and Lousiana to pass for lowest IQ in the US. Keep the brain drain flowing! :rockon:

[AlternativeAcc.]

its true, the industrialists like Musk want us slaving and dying for em so they can meet their stock holders quotas. **** dat.

we should be locked down and getting our checks


BERNIEEEEEEEEE

Musk is just a hard working beast, always has been

He doesn't know any other life

I'm not gonna complain if you pay me to stay home though, my garden is finally getting some love

[dreamshake]

keep us locked down and send those checks.

its really quite simple

Preach on brother!

[Hawker]

Herd immunity time.

No guarantee of a vaccine.

Isolate nursing homes and nursing home employees and as a society those employees must be given support.

[Patrick Chewing]

its true, the industrialists like Musk want us slaving and dying for em so they can meet their stock holders quotas. **** dat.

we should be locked down and getting our checks


BERNIEEEEEEEEE


Must be nice living in grandma’s basement eating ramen noodles and soda and spending your entire life on the internet.

[Nanners]

Get your head out of your ass, jabroni

"Jabroni"... cool word!

[DoctorP]

Must be nice living in grandma’s basement eating ramen noodles and soda and spending your entire life on the internet.

did you say the rahmen noodle, Zimmerman?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO2Su3erRIA

[dreamshake]

its true, the industrialists like Musk want us slaving and dying for em so they can meet their stock holders quotas. **** dat.

we should be locked down and getting our checks


BERNIEEEEEEEEE

**** their stock quotes. Engineer here and I'll make sure to destroy all the tech companies from within for as long as this goes on. The rich ain't getting richer if their employees aren't being productive ;)

Eventually those inflated earnings and revenue predictions aren't going to match up with actual earnings and revenue. And you'll know exactly why ;)

[DoctorP]

**** their stock quotes. Engineer here and I'll make sure to destroy all the tech companies from within for as long as this goes on. The rich ain't getting richer if their employees aren't being productive ;)

Eventually those inflated earnings and revenue predictions aren't going to match up with actual earnings and revenue. And you'll know exactly why ;)

:rockon:

[DoctorP]

https://cdn.store-assets.com/s/174181/i/7717495.jpeg

[AlternativeAcc.]

**** their stock quotes. Engineer here and I'll make sure to destroy all the tech companies from within for as long as this goes on. The rich ain't getting richer if their employees aren't being productive ;)

Eventually those inflated earnings and revenue predictions aren't going to match up with actual earnings and revenue. And you'll know exactly why ;)
Earnings and revenue predictions aren't inflated

[~primetime~]

Damn Wuhan is testing the entire city...11m people

I think with Wuhan, no one is out shopping anyway. They reopened and still everything is empty.

They probably view it as the only way to get the economy back is to extinguish the virus 100%

[~primetime~]

For the US, I think we should be watching the outcome in Italy who reopened last week. I think that will more closely mimic what to expect for us.

[DoctorP]

For the US, I think we should be watching the outcome in Italy who reopened last week. I think that will more closely mimic what to expect for us.

But Italy is the size of Florida.

[AlternativeAcc.]

But Italy is the size of Florida.
The united states is a collection of states

[Nanners]

But Italy is the size of Florida.

Italy is at least 2x larger in terms of land and 3x larger in population

[DoctorP]

Italy is at least 2x larger in terms of land and 3x larger in population

https://2oqz471sa19h3vbwa53m33yj-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/world-map-population-1200.png

[DoctorP]

Italy is basically one coast of the US. still dense as ****

[DoctorP]

The united states is a collection of states

YOU LIE! :lol

[dreamshake]

Damn Wuhan is testing the entire city...11m people

I think with Wuhan, no one is out shopping anyway. They reopened and still everything is empty.

They probably view it as the only way to get the economy back is to extinguish the virus 100%

Who won? Wuhan.

[FultzNationRISE]

dreamshake feels like an alt the deranged DoctorP pulled out of his closet full of them.

[DoctorP]

dreamshake feels like an alt the deranged DoctorP pulled out of his closet full of them.

rent free :rockon:

[hold this L]

So OP just created this thread to bash Trump?? You could have just saved us all the time and titled your thread appropriately: “I hate Trump and I’m a jackass.”

But he's right. You can't be lax on regulations or the numbers will jump up instead of progressively going down.

[ZenMaster]

But he's right. You can't be lax on regulations or the numbers will jump up instead of progressively going down.

So shutdown until there's a vaccine?

[Goalgoalabc]

WoW, when the virus will be over

[dreamshake]

So shutdown until there's a vaccine?

LA mayor: "LA will never completely open until we have a cure."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/05/13/coronavirus-covid-los-angeles-la-county-mayor-health-reopen-vaccine/amp/

[Patrick Chewing]

WoW, when the virus will be over


According to Liberals and those who prefer to be sheep....never.

[Patrick Chewing]

LA mayor: "LA will never completely open until we have a cure."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/05/13/coronavirus-covid-los-angeles-la-county-mayor-health-reopen-vaccine/amp/

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BOWUzNTRmNTQtNWMwZS00MTg4LThhMDUtYmQ5OGQ5MmNmYz NmXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTQxNzMzNDI@._V1_UY1200_CR84,0,6 30,1200_AL_.jpg

[dreamshake]

South Korea hit with a second wave: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/13/855117276/south-korea-and-china-see-covid-19-resurgence-after-easing-restrictions

[~primetime~]

South Korea hit with a second wave: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/13/855117276/south-korea-and-china-see-covid-19-resurgence-after-easing-restrictions

damn...well if reopening causes spike in cases in then herd immunity is the only option...no vaccine any time soon and we obviously can't afford Trillion $ stimulus bailouts every month.

and that would obliterate the economy...it wouldn't matter if stores are open for business or not...most won't be going shopping

We really need to hope and pray the summer heat kills this thing off

[Jasper]

Boom. Second coronavirus outbreak confirmed. So China's been dealing with this since last year for at least seven months, but Trump is trying to shortcut the process to two months. Premature desperation.

There should be a rule to impeach the president for doing things in his best interest which hurt or kill people in the country.

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEIDrgZyg98SKkYMKWDnQZskqLggEKiUIACIbd3d3LmJ1c2 luZXNzaW5zaWRlci5jb20vc2FpKgQICjAMMOyIywY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

we're all good here ... open it up lmao

[dreamshake]

But he's right. You can't be lax on regulations or the numbers will jump up instead of progressively going down.

And that's exactly what's been happening.

[dreamshake]

rent free :rockon:

Free rent! Screw all those landlords who have been overcharging rent to their tenants all these years. Karma is a bitch!

[BurningHammer]

I just won't end until universally approved vaccines are out there for everyone.

[HylianNightmare]

keep us locked down and send those checks.

its really quite simple

Boom

[Axe]

China numba wan

[Nanners]

China numba wan

Taiwan numba one, China number four

[Axe]

Taiwan numba one, China number four
Rofl some experts did indicate that taiwan is a part of china, so... 😂

[dreamshake]

I just won't end until universally approved vaccines are out there for everyone.

How long until everyone has access to a working vaccine?

[dreamshake]

China warns about lack of immunity for second wave of coronavirus

https://news.google.com/articles/CBMimwFodHRwczovL3d3dy5ueWRhaWx5bmV3cy5jb20vY29yb2 5hdmlydXMvbnktY2hpbmEtd2FybnMtYWJvdXQtbGFjay1vZi1p bW11bml0eS1mb3Itc2Vjb25kLXdhdmUtb2YtY29yb25hdmlydX MtMjAyMDA1MTctYWZxZHJzdmlmamNxdGh1N3RiZmtmaHJycWUt c3RvcnkuaHRtbNIBqgFodHRwczovL3d3dy5ueWRhaWx5bmV3cy 5jb20vY29yb25hdmlydXMvbnktY2hpbmEtd2FybnMtYWJvdXQt bGFjay1vZi1pbW11bml0eS1mb3Itc2Vjb25kLXdhdmUtb2YtY2 9yb25hdmlydXMtMjAyMDA1MTctYWZxZHJzdmlmamNxdGh1N3Ri ZmtmaHJycWUtc3RvcnkuaHRtbD9vdXRwdXRUeXBlPWFtcA?hl= en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

[Rico2016]

Quick, let us cripple the world' most powerful economy in order to save 1% of the old people that were likely to die anyway! We must let the entire world suffer to save some old, at-risk people! In addition to this mindset, we must let the needs of the few, outweigh the needs of the many! That's how it goes, right?

Can I propose a quick and easy fix? May I propose such an idea?

-if you are at-risk, stay home. Quarantine.
-if you are not at-risk, be careful with a mask and/or gloves and use social distancin


The only way we can pull through this is to basically get exposed and build up antibodies, no? Isn't that the reason why this disease has been spreading rampant? So by quarantining we are technically exposing less people so slowing down the building of antibodies. This is my take anyway, let me know if it makes sense or not.

[Axe]

How long until everyone has access to a working vaccine?
Until this sorry year ends?

[SATAN]

The only way we can pull through this is to basically get exposed and build up antibodies, no?

No. USA ****ed up. Look at the more successful countries. Also, don't ever think about traveling to them.

[John Connor]

Free rent! Screw all those landlords who have been overcharging rent to their tenants all these years. Karma is a bitch!

What? No.

Landlords aren't just arbitrarily overcharging everyone and preying on everyone. It's called supply & demand... and also inflation.

If they can keep charging more, it's because the demand for that area/that dwelling is increasing and or because the currency is being debased on the daily. It's very likely the demand to live where you live is increasing more than you would like it to. Sorry, but nobody has told you that you need to/must live in a place that demand to live is so high. You just feed yourself lies by telling yourself that you have to stay there and "be overcharged" as you put it. If people didn't want to live there so badly, nobody would be renting at those prices, and thus the prices would drop. But people are willing to pay those prices because they want to live there so badly.

And if you think landlords are going to exist out of the goodness of their hearts... again, it's like... what? No. People buy and invest in things to see a return on their money and they're going to continually look to increase that return. After all, they're holding all of the risk by owning these assets. Why not try to minimize your risk by increasing your return? Pretty straightforward, no?

It's likely that you're just uneducated with low skills and can't afford to live where you're at. That sucks, I'm sorry. Improve your marketability or move. These are pretty basic concepts that should be easy to understand. If you just get angry and throw your hands up in the air, that's your own personal problem. The fact that you don't understand these basic concepts is a bit sad, and again, I'm sorry. But it is what it is, and it's time for you to move.

The real people you should be mad at are the central banks for debasing your currency, the government for not educating you and your parents for also failing to educate you... and lastly, yourself, for also not educating yourself or improving your situation. Instead, you get mad at "all those landlords."

Move to a different state where demand to live is significantly lower. But you don't want to do that, do you? You just want to complain for the sake of complaining. Oh well.

It's time to look in the mirror and put your thinking cap on.

[n00bie]

Free rent! Screw all those landlords who have been overcharging rent to their tenants all these years. Karma is a bitch!

Karma is a bitch? Most landlords aren't making positive cash flow from rent. They're paying mortgages. Most investment properties are for their kids future.

Are you just mad because you werent smart enough to buy a place and decided to rent for life? Mad that you didnt save up money on real estate, instead spent your money on eating out everyday and travelling? Don't hate on others because of your life choices.

Most landlords arent rich, but their kids will be well off.

[DoctorP]

still waiting on that flu vaccine :lol

[tomtucker]

Quick, let us cripple the world' most powerful economy in order to save 1% of the old people that were likely to die anyway! We must let the entire world suffer to save some old, at-risk people! In addition to this mindset, we must let the needs of the few, outweigh the needs of the many! That's how it goes, right?

Can I propose a quick and easy fix? May I propose such an idea?

-if you are at-risk, stay home. Quarantine.
-if you are not at-risk, be careful with a mask and/or gloves and use social distancin


The only way we can pull through this is to basically get exposed and build up antibodies, no? Isn't that the reason why this disease has been spreading rampant? So by quarantining we are technically exposing less people so slowing down the building of antibodies. This is my take anyway, let me know if it makes sense or not.
building of antibodies will not help

and you can most likely get this virus more than once, so there is no herd immunity

anyone correct me if you think i am wrong

[tomtucker]

still waiting on that flu vaccine :lol

yes, problem is that the flu changes and mutates every year....... that is why a new flu shot is needed every season.

if covid 19 mutates as well..... well s h i t

[DoctorP]

Quick, let us cripple the world' most powerful economy in order to save 1% of the old people that were likely to die anyway! We must let the entire world suffer to save some old, at-risk people! In addition to this mindset, we must let the needs of the few, outweigh the needs of the many! That's how it goes, right?

Can I propose a quick and easy fix? May I propose such an idea?

-if you are at-risk, stay home. Quarantine.
-if you are not at-risk, be careful with a mask and/or gloves and use social distancin


The only way we can pull through this is to basically get exposed and build up antibodies, no? Isn't that the reason why this disease has been spreading rampant? So by quarantining we are technically exposing less people so slowing down the building of antibodies. This is my take anyway, let me know if it makes sense or not.

your take on old people is horrendous and I think you should get corona and suffer greatly because of your take. the rest is duh.

[n00bie]

yes, problem is that the flu changes and mutates every year....... that is why a new flu shot is needed every season.

if covid 19 mutates as well..... well s h i t

It already mutated once. 1st case was in december, and it mutated in February. Who knows if it mutated again already. I would guess so. Theres at least 2 strains out there right now but I'm betting there are more. The more cases there are, the more chances it has to mutate.

[Hittin_Shots]

yes, problem is that the flu changes and mutates every year....... that is why a new flu shot is needed every season.

if covid 19 mutates as well..... well s h i t

How do flu shots that are provided before you season prevent a mutated future strand of the flu?

Or are they that future strand?

[n00bie]

How do flu shots that are provided before you season prevent a mutated future strand of the flu?

Or are they that future strand?

Vaccines are usually 1 step behind.

[Hawker]

How do flu shots that are provided before you season prevent a mutated future strand of the flu?

Or are they that future strand?

Since you're in Australia, the flu strand you get in the winter time is the strand of flu the northern hemisphere got in the previous winter and vice versa.

Keeps things fresh. I got my flu shot a couple weeks ago.

[ZenMaster]

Boom. Second coronavirus outbreak confirmed. So China's been dealing with this since last year for at least seven months, but Trump is trying to shortcut the process to two months. Premature desperation.

There should be a rule to impeach the president for doing things in his best interest which hurt or kill people in the country.

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEIDrgZyg98SKkYMKWDnQZskqLggEKiUIACIbd3d3LmJ1c2 luZXNzaW5zaWRlci5jb20vc2FpKgQICjAMMOyIywY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

So what's going on with this second wave?

They started testing everyone in Wuhan May 12th and have tested 1.2 million since then, per Worldometer they have 7 new cases in all of China yesterday and 6 today.

[n00bie]

So what's going on with this second wave?

They started testing everyone in Wuhan May 12th and have tested 1.2 million since then, per Worldometer they have 7 new cases in all of China yesterday and 6 today.

It's simple. China shuts a city down after 5 cases. Like really shut down. You leave your home you're arrested.

America opens up the country with 1.5 million cases. What's probably going to happen? In 2 weeks, China will have 0 cases, economy fully up and running.

America? Who knows.

[Hittin_Shots]

It's simple. China shuts a city down after 5 cases. Like really shut down. You leave your home you're arrested.

America opens up the country with 1.5 million cases. What's probably going to happen? In 2 weeks, China will have 0 cases, economy fully up and running.

America? Who knows.

China's numbers are most likely horse shit though.

[n00bie]

China's numbers are most likely horse shit though.

Maybe. Maybe not. They take the lock down seriously. You cant leave your house. Pretty hard to spread the virus if no one can leave their homes.

[Hittin_Shots]

Maybe. Maybe not. They take the lock down seriously. You cant leave your house. Pretty hard to spread the virus if no one can leave their homes.

Zooms to 80k then stops dead? Yea that didn't happen

[n00bie]

Zooms to 80k then stops dead? Yea that didn't happen

Before the 80k mark, citizens were allowed to go out but masks mandatory. They took drastic measures and locked everyone home. They even welded the doors of condo buildings so people couldn't leave without jumping out their windows.

I mean. If you literally lock every single person at home. How will new cases develop?

[Hittin_Shots]

Before the 80k mark, citizens were allowed to go out but masks mandatory. They took drastic measures and locked everyone home. They even welded the doors of condo buildings so people couldn't leave without jumping out their windows.

I mean. If you literally lock every single person at home. How will new cases develop?

If what you're saying is true than there would be far more cases but they couldn't get tested and there could be thousands of dead in these homes right?

[bladefd]

It's simple. China shuts a city down after 5 cases. Like really shut down. You leave your home you're arrested.

America opens up the country with 1.5 million cases. What's probably going to happen? In 2 weeks, China will have 0 cases, economy fully up and running.

America? Who knows.

Anytime someone tests positive in China, they are required to wear a tracking bracelet that shows the government exactly where you went, when and how. If they see you doing something illegal, you go straight to jail so they have complete isolation. They also have drones flying around and sensors everywhere constantly checking the temperatures of people. If a person has over 100 degree temperature and is walking around, I bet the government would know and have someone on you within minutes of detection. They have no privacy.

At the same time, I also question their government reporting of number. They need to show they have complete control over their outbreak even if they don't.

[n00bie]

Anytime someone tests positive in China, they are required to wear a tracking bracelet that shows the government exactly where you went, when and how. If they see you doing something illegal, you go straight to jail so they have complete isolation. They also have drones flying around and sensors everywhere constantly checking the temperatures of people. If a person has over 100 degree temperature and is walking around, I bet the government would know and have someone on you within minutes of detection. They have no privacy.

At the same time, I also question their government reporting of number. They need to show they have complete control over their outbreak even if they don't.

Yep.. I mean, do I agree with their tactics? Nope, but am I surprised that it's working? Not at all.

In a perfect world, a government will impose these tactics temporarily to stop a pandemic, and then give back 100% privacy to citizens, but that won't happen. This will be the norm going forward in China.

The Chinese & Americans are 2 opposite extremes. Both strategies have their pros & cons.

[Cleverness]

No. USA ****ed up. Look at the more successful countries. Also, don't ever think about traveling to them.

Would you consider Japan a successful country?

Why has the USA ****ed up?

[ZenMaster]

It's simple. China shuts a city down after 5 cases. Like really shut down. You leave your home you're arrested.

America opens up the country with 1.5 million cases. What's probably going to happen? In 2 weeks, China will have 0 cases, economy fully up and running.

America? Who knows.

If it's so simple as to do a big lockdown, why test everyone in Wuhan?

Plus, read the headline of this thread, it's pure fear mongering and you guys are using it as justification to be worried about the second wave.

You know what's interesting, around the same time this thread was made because of these new reports, the CDC in Denmark publicly declared it very unlikely that a second wave will hit there, this was just a few days after they still believed the 2nd wave would and were reopening very slowly. Now they're going to have new government negotiations on how to reopen faster. They also found out, that their initial numbers from which they based their shutdown on, were wrong. They had the r0 at 2.5 where it was really at 1.5 or something like that.

So one one hand, you have one of the smartest public health care departments in the world declaring that a 2nd wave of corona is unlikely to hit, while on the other you have US leftists screaming that a 2nd wave is already confirmed.

[n00bie]

If it's so simple as to do a big lockdown, why test everyone in Wuhan?

Plus, read the headline of this thread, it's pure fear mongering and you guys are using it as justification to be worried about the second wave.

You know what's interesting, around the same time this thread was made because of these new reports, the CDC in Denmark publicly declared it very unlikely that a second wave will hit there, this was just a few days after they still believed the 2nd wave would and were reopening very slowly. Now they're going to have new government negotiations on how to reopen faster. They also found out, that their initial numbers from which they based their shutdown on, were wrong. They had the r0 at 2.5 where it was really at 1.5 or something like that.

So one one hand, you have one of the smartest public health care departments in the world declaring that a 2nd wave of corona is unlikely to hit, while on the other you have US leftists screaming that a 2nd wave is already confirmed.

Ok so all you're trying to say is the coronavirus isnt easily spread so let's just open up the country / world as if the virus doesnt exist. The 1.5 million infected in the U.S. are fake numbers. No one is even dying from this. Honestly, people like you are the reason why the U.S. is being laughed at by the rest of the world right now.

It's only the U.S. that thinks this virus is a joke. Not a coincidence that the U.S. is #1 in cases and deaths.

We shouldn't even be talking about a 2nd wave. We're still in the 1st wave. If we all took this seriously from the start, we'd be over the peak already. But no, lets half ass a lockdown, realize we failed, and reopen everything.

[ZenMaster]

Ok so all you're trying to say is the coronavirus isnt easily spread so let's just open up the country / world as if the virus doesnt exist. The 1.5 million infected in the U.S. are fake numbers. No one is even dying from this. Honestly, people like you are the reason why the U.S. is being laughed at by the rest of the world right now.

It's only the U.S. that thinks this virus is a joke. Not a coincidence that the U.S. is #1 in cases and deaths.

We shouldn't even be talking about a 2nd wave. We're still in the 1st wave. If we all took this seriously from the start, we'd be over the peak already. But no, lets half ass a lockdown, realize we failed, and reopen everything.

You're just living in the extremes aren't you, that it's either all or nothing.

I've never said covid19 doesn't exist, or that it isn't easily spread, or that people don't die from it - and I haven't seen any posters here outside of Manny98 claiming those things either.

It does exist and it is pretty easily spread, but it doesn't kill people at a rate that justifies shutting everything down.

At the start, the whole point was to break the curve so hospitals were not overrun, and that made sense. But how many hospitals within the US or the rest of the western world has been overrun in this period of half ass lockdown? It's not many.
E.g it would be nice if kids could go to school while hospitals are not being overrun.

Now the talking point in just a few weeks has gone from breaking the curve, to nothing will ever be normal again. And that worries me, because if people believe that, then among others it'll open up possibilities of mass surveillance that people weren't keen on before, like facial recognition cameras with thermal capabilities being installed and used at a high rate(something I don't support).

[n00bie]

You're just living in the extremes aren't you, that it's either all or nothing.

I've never said covid19 doesn't exist, or that it isn't easily spread, or that people don't die from it - and I haven't seen any posters here outside of Manny98 claiming those things either.

It does exist and it is pretty easily spread, but it doesn't kill people at a rate that justifies shutting everything down.

At the start, the whole point was to break the curve so hospitals were not overrun, and that made sense. But how many hospitals within the US or the rest of the western world has been overrun in this period of half ass lockdown? It's not many.
E.g it would be nice if kids could go to school while hospitals are not being overrun.

Now the talking point in just a few weeks has gone from breaking the curve, to nothing will ever be normal again. And that worries me, because if people believe that, then among others it'll open up possibilities of mass surveillance that people weren't keen on before, like facial recognition cameras with thermal capabilities being installed and used at a high rate(something I don't support).

Yes.. what's going to be coming as a result of this virus is VERY concerning. Similar to what happened after 9/11.. things will never be the same.

However, I go back to the argument that if we all took this seriously from day 1 like Taiwan did, we wouldnt even have a lock down. There were a lot of things that went wrong.

We should have stopped ALL international travel when the outbreak was reported.

WHO shouldn't have downplayed this for months.

Trump shouldn't have told us all that this was just like the flu. Because of this, a lot of people doesnt take this seriously at all.

Officials shouldnt have told us all to NOT wear a mask just to backtrack 2 months later and tell us wearing a mask is important.

Can you imagine if borders were shut down in January, and everyone wore a mask for 2 weeks straight? There'd be no lock down.

[ZenMaster]

Yes.. what's going to be coming as a result of this virus is VERY concerning. Similar to what happened after 9/11.. things will never be the same.

However, I go back to the argument that if we all took this seriously from day 1 like Taiwan did, we wouldnt even have a lock down. There were a lot of things that went wrong.

We should have stopped ALL international travel when the outbreak was reported.

WHO shouldn't have downplayed this for months.

Trump shouldn't have told us all that this was just like the flu. Because of this, a lot of people doesn't take this seriously at all.

Officials shouldnt have told us all to NOT wear a mask just to backtrack 2 months later and tell us wearing a mask is important.

Can you imagine if borders were shut down in January, and everyone wore a mask for 2 weeks straight? There'd be no lock down.

So you recognize that bad changes will come about, but because things didn't happen like you wanted them to, people deserve it?

I don't disagree with you in theory about the international travel, but the combination of how the western world works, especially in relation to tourism, along with the fact that WHO downplayed the virus, shutting down international travel earlier was never a real option.

In regards to masks, I don't think there's any factual evidence that broad use among the public has any effects on a pandemic. I know they say that in other countries as well. They do carry a huge psychological effect though.

I live in Southern Europe, here it's law that stores must ask for people to wear a mask, most people remove them when they exit though.

[bladefd]

So you recognize that bad changes will come about, but because things didn't happen like you wanted them to, people deserve it?

I don't disagree with you in theory about the international travel, but the combination of how the western world works, especially in relation to tourism, along with the fact that WHO downplayed the virus, shutting down international travel earlier was never a real option.

In regards to masks, I don't think there's any factual evidence that broad use among the public has any effects on a pandemic. I know they say that in other countries as well. They do carry a huge psychological effect though.

I live in Southern Europe, here it's law that stores must ask for people to wear a mask, most people remove them when they exit though.

Uhhh yes it absolutely does have an effect. It makes it difficult for a virus to be expelled out into the open when someone sneezes or coughs. It doesn't make it n95-impossible but even 80% chance of stopping the virus from getting anywhere past your mask is good. It's all about probability, and you are trying to change the numbers so they side more against the virus and side more for us. Masks certainly make a difference large enough to change the growth rate of a pathogen

[ZenMaster]

Uhhh yes it absolutely does have an effect. It makes it difficult for a virus to be expelled out into the open when someone sneezes or coughs. It doesn't make it n95-impossible but even 80% chance of stopping the virus from getting anywhere past your mask is good. It's all about probability, and you are trying to change the numbers so they side more against the virus and side more for us. Masks certainly make a difference large enough to change the growth rate of a pathogen

So does sneezing into your arm or a piece of cloth/paper.

You're correct in the features of the mask, and if you suspect you have covid then wear one.

But outside of that, I don't believe any documentation exists that shows masks prevent spread in general populations - feel free to try and find some. There are simply too many other ways for people to come in contact with a spreading virus.

[n00bie]

So does sneezing into your arm or a piece of cloth/paper.

You're correct in the features of the mask, and if you suspect you have covid then wear one.

But outside of that, I don't believe any documentation exists that shows masks prevent spread in general populations - feel free to try and find some. There are simply too many other ways for people to come in contact with a spreading virus.

Problem is there are people that have the virus with no symptoms at all. Even talking without a mask means droplets will be coming out of your mouth landing on any surface around you. I still dont understand why people fear having a mask on.

Yes it looks stupid, yes its uncomfortable, but it'll help us all get over this shlt faster.

[ZenMaster]

Problem is there are people that have the virus with no symptoms at all. Even talking without a mask means droplets will be coming out of your mouth landing on any surface around you. I still dont understand why people fear having a mask on.

Yes it looks stupid, yes its uncomfortable, but it'll help us all get over this shlt faster.

Masks will have a psychological effect, making people more scared of covid than they have to be, so it's not necessary. I'll take it a step further, people walking around afraid lowers their immune system, making it more probable that they'll be affected if they get covid19.


https://youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI?t=33

Again, you're welcome to provide documentation on how masks lowers the spread among a general population during a pandemic. For example, you could check on SARS when it hit China.

[n00bie]

Masks will have a psychological effect, making people more scared of covid than they have to be, so it's not necessary. I'll take it a step further, people walking around afraid lowers their immune system, making it more probable that they'll be affected if they get covid19.


https://youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI?t=33

Again, you're welcome to provide documentation on how masks lowers the spread among a general population during a pandemic. For example, you could check on SARS when it hit China.

Every single medical professional says masks helps prevents the spread. It's not a conspiracy. I can post millions of studies it's not going to change your mind.

[Nanners]

Masks will have a psychological effect, making people more scared of covid than they have to be, so it's not necessary. I'll take it a step further, people walking around afraid lowers their immune system, making it more probable that they'll be affected if they get covid19.


https://youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI?t=33

Again, you're welcome to provide documentation on how masks lowers the spread among a general population during a pandemic. For example, you could check on SARS when it hit China.

Amen.

I originally posted the following rant in one of the other mask threads, but with this post you have given me a great excuse to repost it here

"Like so many of the other arbitrary rules that our leaders have come up with as they have become increasingly more and more drunk on their power, the mask is not really about the virus. There is zero credible scientific evidence that a healthy person wearing a home-made cloth mask makes one iota of difference in preventing the spread of this virus... and even if it did, that still wouldnt justify forcing people to wear them. What this is really about is exerting dominance and control by forcing people to wear a symbol for censorship, humiliation, subservience, and fear.

Look up the word censorship on google images, you will see countless pictures of people with their mouths covered. When a judge orders someone not to speak about something, its called a "gag order". Forcibly covering someones mouth is a subconscious attack on their freedom of speech

Forced mouth covering is also very common in BDSM and humilation porn, because on a subconscious level there is something deeply humiliating about having your mouth forcibly covered. Notice how the politicians and talking heads like "Doctor" Bill Gates are never seen wearing masks? Thats because doms dont wear masks, they're only for submissives.

The mask is also a symbol of fear. Every time you leave the house with a mask on, your subconscious self is being told that its no longer safe out in the big scary world, that you are under attack from an invisible enemy that can strike at any moment. Every time you see someone else wearing the mask, this sense of fear gets reinforced. The coronacircus will collapse under the weight of its absurdity without a sufficient number of terrified people, therefore the masks are important as a constant reminder that we should all be afraid.

IMO, these subconscious associations are playing a huge role in why some people love their masks and want to force them upon everyone, while others are so deeply triggered by them. Notice how the the pro-mask folks are almost 100% bed-wetting democrat soyboys who love being told what to think and what to say, and who love to be humiliated and subjugated."

[SATAN]

:roll:

[n00bie]

Amen.

I originally posted the following rant in one of the other mask threads, but with this post you have given me a great excuse to repost it here

"Like so many of the other arbitrary rules that our leaders have come up with as they have become increasingly more and more drunk on their power, the mask is not really about the virus. There is zero credible scientific evidence that a healthy person wearing a home-made cloth mask makes one iota of difference in preventing the spread of this virus... and even if it did, that still wouldnt justify forcing people to wear them. What this is really about is exerting dominance and control by forcing people to wear a symbol for censorship, humiliation, subservience, and fear.

Look up the word censorship on google images, you will see countless pictures of people with their mouths covered. When a judge orders someone not to speak about something, its called a "gag order". Forcibly covering someones mouth is a subconscious attack on their freedom of speech

Forced mouth covering is also very common in BDSM and humilation porn, because on a subconscious level there is something deeply humiliating about having your mouth forcibly covered. Notice how the politicians and talking heads like "Doctor" Bill Gates are never seen wearing masks? Thats because doms dont wear masks, they're only for submissives.

The mask is also a symbol of fear. Every time you leave the house with a mask on, your subconscious self is being told that its no longer safe out in the big scary world, that you are under attack from an invisible enemy that can strike at any moment. Every time you see someone else wearing the mask, this sense of fear gets reinforced. The coronacircus will collapse under the weight of its absurdity without a sufficient number of terrified people, therefore the masks are important as a constant reminder that we should all be afraid.

IMO, these subconscious associations are playing a huge role in why some people love their masks and want to force them upon everyone, while others are so deeply triggered by them. Notice how the the pro-mask folks are almost 100% bed-wetting democrat soyboys who love being told what to think and what to say, and who love to be humiliated and subjugated."

It blows my mind that you think the government made up covid19 so that we will all wear masks for BDSM and humiliation reasons. Sorry to tell you this, but the government doesnt want to jack off to thoughts of you wearing a mask.

[ZenMaster]

Every single medical professional says masks helps prevents the spread. It's not a conspiracy. I can post millions of studies it's not going to change your mind.

So surely it must be possible to find a study that shows masks helping to prevent the spread among the population of a country during a pandemic. Can you find it? Nope, because it doesn't exists, as there are too many other ways to still get the virus.

[n00bie]

So surely it must be possible to find a study that shows masks helping to prevent the spread among the population of a country during a pandemic. Can you find it? Nope, because it doesn't exists, as there are too many other ways to still get the virus.

Of course there are still many ways of getting the virus. Not wearing a mask is like you not washing your hands on a regular basis. Both are just 2 ways to prevent the spread but there are many other ways to spread it.

Are you going to stop washing your hands just because "there are too many other ways to still get the virus"?

[Hittin_Shots]

I would say 100% of Japanese people in public are wearing masks, but possibly for the same reason Americans refuse to. Over there you would be looked at as a dipshit for not wearing a mask at a time like this.

[ZenMaster]

Of course there are still many ways of getting the virus. Not wearing a mask is like you not washing your hands on a regular basis. Both are just 2 ways to prevent the spread but there are many other ways to spread it.

Are you going to stop washing your hands just because "there are too many other ways to still get the virus"?

You may not believe what Nanners write to be true, but everyone wearing masks leads to a psychological burden on society, especially if forced by government. You may say "Well what about Asia, they all wear masks in public", but in Asia it's different as it's not uncommon seeing someone wearing a mask.

Me washing my hands at my house does not carry that burden. And no I'm not going to stop washing my hands, I was doing that regularly before covid19, after being in toilet, before eating, after handling cash etc. I wasn't wearing a mask before covid though.

So no, not wearing a mask and not washing hands isn't the same thing, that's why health officials all over the world don't want to order people to wear masks unless it's absolutely necessary. Because masks doesn't prevent spread of a virus among the general public of a country, but they make people scared.

Next big thing is that we'll get told that because of social distancing, the virus is now plausible to have mutated to a stronger version, because it had to in order to survive. Leftist will argue this as another reason to extend lockdown measures and stay at home, not realizing that staying at home is the reason for it becoming stronger and if it's kept up it could get even worse.

[SATAN]

:oldlol:

[n00bie]

Of course there are still many ways of getting the virus. Not wearing a mask is like you not washing your hands on a regular basis. Both are just 2 ways to prevent the spread but there are many other ways to spread it.

Are you going to stop washing your hands just because "there are too many other ways to still get the virus"?

Less conspiracy theorists in Japan.

[n00bie]

You may not believe what Nanners write to be true, but everyone wearing masks leads to a psychological burden on society, especially if forced by government. You may say "Well what about Asia, they all wear masks in public", but in Asia it's different as it's not uncommon seeing someone wearing a mask.

Me washing my hands at my house does not carry that burden. And no I'm not going to stop washing my hands, I was doing that regularly before covid19, after being in toilet, before eating, after handling cash etc. I wasn't wearing a mask before covid though.

So no, not wearing a mask and not washing hands isn't the same thing, that's why health officials all over the world don't want to order people to wear masks unless it's absolutely necessary. Because masks doesn't prevent spread of a virus among the general public of a country, but they make people scared.

Next big thing is that we'll get told that because of social distancing, the virus is now plausible to have mutated to a stronger version, because it had to in order to survive. Leftist will argue this as another reason to extend lockdown measures and stay at home, not realizing that staying at home is the reason for it becoming stronger and if it's kept up it could get even worse.

I'd argue that masks actually makes people feel safe. Most people would feel safer walking into a building where everyone wore a mask, vs. a building where no one wore a mask.

That's only IF you understand that the point of having a mask on is that you don't unknowingly release the virus from your own mouth. Wearing a mask means you actually care about the health of others.

When I walk into a supermarket, my first impression of the people that don't wear a mask is that they're selfish. Who cares about the health of others, when a mask looks stupid on your face.

[rawimpact]

So does sneezing into your arm or a piece of cloth/paper.

You're correct in the features of the mask, and if you suspect you have covid then wear one.

But outside of that, I don't believe any documentation exists that shows masks prevent spread in general populations - feel free to try and find some. There are simply too many other ways for people to come in contact with a spreading virus.


as of now, how does one suspect they have covid? The majority do not have symptoms. There are numerous studies done regarding the effectiveness of reducing droplets that contain viral load. To reduce the amount in the environment and prevent spread to someone immunocompromised, it is suggested you wear a mask for the safety of others.

Here is one study in one of the top medical journals:

We also demonstrated the efficacy of surgical masks to reduce coronavirus detection and viral copies in large respiratory droplets and in aerosols (Table 1b (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2#Tab2)). This has important implications for control of COVID-19, suggesting that surgical face masks could be used by ill people to reduce onward transmission.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

Covid is mostly transmitted by droplets - which is why nasal swabs are were preferred as they contain the highest concentration of viral load vs saliva which is safer in terms of collecting.

[ZenMaster]

as of now, how does one suspect they have covid? The majority do not have symptoms. There are numerous studies done regarding the effectiveness of reducing droplets that contain viral load. To reduce the amount in the environment and prevent spread to someone immunocompromised, it is suggested you wear a mask for the safety of others.

Here is one study in one of the top medical journals:


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

Covid is mostly transmitted by droplets - which is why nasal swabs are were preferred as they contain the highest concentration of viral load vs saliva which is safer in terms of collecting.

One would be if you're showing any kind of symptoms(though then you should be quarantining), another would be if you've been in contact with people where you know there's an outbreak - e.g if you leave the New York.

That study explains why wearing a mask properly on an individual level would help, but in terms of asking people in the millions to wear masks all the time, there's no study made to suggest that doing so helps prevent a spread within that group. One reason is that there are too many other ways of contracting the virus, another being that too many people make mistakes in trying to wear the mask correctly at all times, as well as people being lulled into a false sense of security - case in point the comment from Noobie in the previous post "it makes me feel safe".
I read that there's no study to support it from a scientist who specializes in virology, he specifically mentioned that during SARS they were perplexed in China as to why it was still spreading after they had everyone working with it wearing masks, the reason being that people were making way too many mistakes in using the masks correctly.


I'd argue that masks actually makes people feel safe. Most people would feel safer walking into a building where everyone wore a mask, vs. a building where no one wore a mask.

That's only IF you understand that the point of having a mask on is that you don't unknowingly release the virus from your own mouth. Wearing a mask means you actually care about the health of others.

When I walk into a supermarket, my first impression of the people that don't wear a mask is that they're selfish. Who cares about the health of others, when a mask looks stupid on your face.

You might feel more safe, but the reason you're feeling this is because you're feeling fear to begin with, a fear which a wide mandate to wear masks at all times will reinforce.
"Look, everyone else is wearing a mask, because the virus is too dangerous for us not to have to".

I'd like to know, in your opinion, at what point is a virus bad enough to mandate everyone wearing masks all the time? How fast does it need to spread and how high must the mortality rate be?
You're saying now that people who don't wear masks are selfish because of how dangerous covid is. But I'm guessing you're not saying the same for the flu, which has killed people for years without anyone in the western world thinking we should wear masks all the time, even though you walk around people with underlying conditions, probably every day, putting them at risk.

[rawimpact]

One would be if you're showing any kind of symptoms(though then you should be quarantining), another would be if you've been in contact with people where you know there's an outbreak - e.g if you leave the New York.

That study explains why wearing a mask properly on an individual level would help, but in terms of asking people in the millions to wear masks all the time, there's no study made to suggest that doing so helps prevent a spread within that group. One reason is that there are too many other ways of contracting the virus, another being that too many people make mistakes in trying to wear the mask correctly at all times, as well as people being lulled into a false sense of security - case in point the comment from Noobie in the previous post "it makes me feel safe".
I read that there's no study to support it from a scientist who specializes in virology, he specifically mentioned that during SARS they were perplexed in China as to why it was still spreading after they had everyone working with it wearing masks, the reason being that people were making way too many mistakes in using the masks correctly.



You might feel more safe, but the reason you're feeling this is because you're feeling fear to begin with, a fear which a wide mandate to wear masks at all times will reinforce.
"Look, everyone else is wearing a mask, because the virus is too dangerous for us not to have to".

I'd like to know, in your opinion, at what point is a virus bad enough to mandate everyone wearing masks all the time? How fast does it need to spread and how high must the mortality rate be?
You're saying now that people who don't wear masks are selfish because of how dangerous covid is. But I'm guessing you're not saying the same for the flu, which has killed people for years without anyone in the western world thinking we should wear masks all the time, even though you walk around people with underlying conditions, probably every day, putting them at risk.

I never suggested mandating masks in public.

1. Not everyone knows if they have active COVID or not (Most are asymptomatic)
2. People do not know whether or not they're spreading it
3. Some populations (such as immunocompromised, geriatric etc.) are more vulnerable with a steep prognosis
4. Covid spreads commonly through droplets in our environment
5. Masks have proven to reduce the number of droplets being expelled from high viral concentrated areas such as the nasopharyngeal cavity

Therefore, if people wear masks routinely in an area they are near others, especially those populations mentioned above, they are LESS LIKELY to be infected.

Do i think we can mandate everyone wear a masks in public? No - I'm just advocating for best logical practice and let that decision be up to the person.

[ZenMaster]

I never suggested mandating masks in public.

1. Not everyone knows if they have active COVID or not (Most are asymptomatic)
2. People do not know whether or not they're spreading it
3. Some populations (such as immunocompromised, geriatric etc.) are more vulnerable with a steep prognosis
4. Covid spreads commonly through droplets in our environment
5. Masks have proven to reduce the number of droplets being expelled from high viral concentrated areas such as the nasopharyngeal cavity

Therefore, if people wear masks routinely in an area they are near others, especially those populations mentioned above, they are LESS LIKELY to be infected.

Do i think we can mandate everyone wear a masks in public? No - I'm just advocating for best logical practice and let that decision be up to the person.

And I never said wearing masks within a confined space doesn't help in preventing spread ;) I believe the conversation here was about everyone wearings masks all the time in public, someone argued as well that it's what they do in Japan. So I was responding to that sentiment.

[Rocket]

Quick, let us cripple the world' most powerful economy in order to save 1% of the old people that were likely to die anyway! We must let the entire world suffer to save some old, at-risk people! In addition to this mindset, we must let the needs of the few, outweigh the needs of the many! That's how it goes, right?

Can I propose a quick and easy fix? May I propose such an idea?

-if you are at-risk, stay home. Quarantine.
-if you are not at-risk, be careful with a mask and/or gloves and use social distancin


The only way we can pull through this is to basically get exposed and build up antibodies, no? Isn't that the reason why this disease has been spreading rampant? So by quarantining we are technically exposing less people so slowing down the building of antibodies. This is my take anyway, let me know if it makes sense or not.
How dare you actually use common sense!!! Don't you know you are supposed to be in panic mode?

[bladefd]

And I never said wearing masks within a confined space doesn't help in preventing spread ;) I believe the conversation here was about everyone wearings masks all the time in public, someone argued as well that it's what they do in Japan. So I was responding to that sentiment.

Yet you seem opposed to people wearing masks for some foolish reason I have yet to fathom. Folks like noobie has posted that wearing a mask around other people would help prevent the spread of covid-19, which is factually correct. You just said you don't disagree with people wearing masks in confined spaces, so why do you continue to make posts after posts that attempt to contradict that point? Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point?

If you are around other people, wear a mask. Do you agree with that statement or disagree? If you agree (or don't disagree) then what are you even arguing at this point?

[ZenMaster]

Yet you seem opposed to people wearing masks for some foolish reason I have yet to fathom. Folks like noobie has posted that wearing a mask around other people would help prevent the spread of covid-19, which is factually correct. You just said you don't disagree with people wearing masks in confined spaces, so why do you continue to make posts after posts that attempt to contradict that point? Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point?

If you are around other people, wear a mask. Do you agree with that statement or disagree? If you agree (or don't disagree) then what are you even arguing at this point?

Noobie suggested that everyone in the US should have worn a mask for two weeks straight, and I pointed out that no factual study exists that proves wearing masks in a general population does anything to prevent spread within said population, so it probably wouldn't do much to help, other than remind people that the virus is so bad that everyone should wear a mask all the time, which carries other psychological factors.

Sure you can do an experiment like that with hamsters, but it does not take into affect the mistake PEOPLE make when wearing masks in public.

[n00bie]

Noobie suggested that everyone in the US should have worn a mask for two weeks straight, and I pointed out that no factual study exists that proves wearing masks in a general population does anything to prevent spread within said population, so it probably wouldn't do much to help, other than remind people that the virus is so bad that everyone should wear a mask all the time, which carries other psychological factors.

Sure you can do an experiment like that with hamsters, but it does not take into affect the mistake PEOPLE make when wearing masks in public.

There are literally thousands of studies that show masks help. You just refuse to believe them. One google search will result in thousands of studies but of course you'll think "google links are fake news".

Look at Hong Kong for example. Such a dense population stuck on an Island. The main doctor in charge of the SARS pandemic told everyone from the start that face masks were the best way to stop this spread. They have such low numbers. EVERYONE there is wearing a mask. The government is even giving out free masks to people. But of course their numbers must be fake too right?