Michael Jordan would really struggle against today's athletes

[eliteballer]

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[Mamba4Life]

Was he natty? Do we have proof??

[eliteballer]

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[AlternativeAcc.]

He would struggle against zone defenses and prolific 3 point shooters on the other side of the ball

Jordan would be just another guy in this era

Not to mention social media taking its toll on the mentally fragile Jordan, who couldn't handle the passing of his father

[eliteballer]

He would struggle against zone defenses and prolific 3 point shooters on the other side of the ball

Jordan would be just another guy in this era

Not to mention social media taking its toll on the mentally fragile Jordan, who couldn't handle the passing of his father

Like Giannis does, someone who can't hit the broadside of a barn with his jumper?

[AlternativeAcc.]

Like Giannis does, someone who can't hit the broadside of a barn with his jumper?
Giannis is a much more impressive specimen, his combination of length and athleticism is superior to Jordans average frame

Jordan is a Spencer Dinwiddie level athlete

[AlternativeAcc.]

96 bulls would go 73 and 9 and win the whole thing,cant nobody stop jordan

96 Bulls would get shot out of the gym night in, night out

different era

Gary Payton says otherwise

[Round Mound]

Jodan would be the best player in the game today. He is the most athletic 6´4 3/4 ft player ever.

[DoctorP]

still looking for meaningful data here other than"my dick is bigger" logic

[Axe]

Haters gonna hate

[Jay-B]

More of a challenge in today’s nba? Yeah for sure. Would he struggle? MJ struggle? Come on now

[LostCause]

Arguably the best player in the game today (Durant) said MJ would be the best player in the game today but let's take the wealth of knowledge of a random alt account into higher consideration

lol

[Axe]

More than 20 years later and his stans, as well as his mudslingers still can't move on from mj.

[r0drig0lac]

athletes?? sorry, the league has not become more athletic, just less physical

[Gimmedarock]

He’d be top 5. Jordan never had to guard players like we have today night in night out. Guys would just cross half court and put a j in his face. He’d be work out playing defense.

No way that Bulls team scores enough to win. Jordan with say 27 ppg, Pippen with 20 ppg, Kukoc with 15 and then there’s a big drop off. Teams are deeper now. Come on bruh.

[Shogon]

Arguably the best player in the game today (Durant) said MJ would be the best player in the game today but let's take the wealth of knowledge of a random alt account into higher consideration

lol

So... couple things...

The alt account is clearly trolling.

Durant being a basketball player... and even being the best player... has nothing to do with whether or not his opinion is valid. That's irrelevant. Great players and even the greatest players say and do stupid shit all the time. Kevin Durant himself says and does incredibly stupid shit on the regular. It's clockwork... every single year, there are multiple things. EVERY YEAR!!! I mean, this is a guy that went and teamed up with Kyrie Irving because they both have a hardon for wanting to be in LeBron's shoes, lol... anyways...

Yes, MJ would be the best player in the league in 2020... no shit. Only a fool would deny that.

And in any event...

The troll account is retarded, Kevin Durant is retarded, and YOU are retarded. ****ing retarded mother****ers literally everywhere. That's my life... all the way to the grave. Retards, retards, retards.

[Mamba4Life]

Jordan was 6’6 with a 40

We have scrubs these days who are 6’6 with a 40 like Spencer :roll:

[DoctorP]

Jordan was better than Kobe and Kobe scored 81 in a tougher era.

GAME OVER :lol

[RogueBorg]

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[deathawaitu]

Na...

Jordan would still destroy today's athletes. Jordan would have the same access to technology, equipment, diet, etc as today

Whereas we know that today's athletes will cry for their mommy's if they went back to Jordon's era.

Think about it... Today's athletes are still inferior to Jordan even with their advantages with access to more advance equipments and tech

[ralph_i_el]

Nobody with half a brain think's he would "struggle".

His athleticism would not stand out AS MUCH as it did in his era. As many people have pointed out, there's a bevvy of scrubs who have 40+ inch verticals. To me, this says that it takes WAY WAY WAY more than just speed and vert to be a GOAT-level ball player.

MJ would not be able to play the same type of game he did back then. Posting up and shooting fadeaway 2's like in his second 3-peat is just not going to fly as the first option on offense these days (as a top level offense). With the legalization of zone-D, it's harder to get 1-on-1 looks from the post. Guys can sag off their men and cover more of his avenues of attack. That's why the 3 point shooting and off-ball play are so essential.

If his style of play would have to change for this era, it's pretty much impossible to judge how good he would be. He'd be a top-5 defensive wing, a top-5 iso scorer, top-5 offensive positioning, and a top-5 transition player in the league right now. That's 1st team all-NBA.


In 97-98, ~60% of MJ's shots were between 10ft and the 3 point line. He shot ~44% on these shots. He shot about 50% on those looks the year before. That translates to around 1 point per play, which is a (slightly) below-average offensive look. Of course, there is an advantage in having a shot that you can get off at the end of shot clocks....but as 60% of your shots?

[tpols]

So... couple things...

The alt account is clearly trolling.

Durant being a basketball player... and even being the best player... has nothing to do with whether or not his opinion is valid. That's irrelevant. Great players and even the greatest players say and do stupid shit all the time. Kevin Durant himself says and does incredibly stupid shit on the regular. It's clockwork... every single year, there are multiple things. EVERY YEAR!!! I mean, this is a guy that went and teamed up with Kyrie Irving because they both have a hardon for wanting to be in LeBron's shoes, lol... anyways...

Yes, MJ would be the best player in the league in 2020... no shit. Only a fool would deny that.

And in any event...

The troll account is retarded, Kevin Durant is retarded, and YOU are retarded. ****ing retarded mother****ers literally everywhere. That's my life... all the way to the grave. Retards, retards, retards.


have you ever heard the story if you meet one asshole today, you met one asshole, but if everybody you met was an asshole, YOU are the asshole.

Catch my drift?

[AlternativeAcc.]

Arguably the best player in the game today (Durant) said MJ would be the best player in the game today but let's take the wealth of knowledge of a random alt account into higher consideration

lol

Hey retard, how did Jordan do as a GM?

[LostCause]

So... couple things...

The alt account is clearly trolling.

Durant being a basketball player... and even being the best player... has nothing to do with whether or not his opinion is valid. That's irrelevant. Great players and even the greatest players say and do stupid shit all the time. Kevin Durant himself says and does incredibly stupid shit on the regular. It's clockwork... every single year, there are multiple things. EVERY YEAR!!! I mean, this is a guy that went and teamed up with Kyrie Irving because they both have a hardon for wanting to be in LeBron's shoes, lol... anyways...

Yes, MJ would be the best player in the league in 2020... no shit. Only a fool would deny that.

And in any event...

The troll account is retarded, Kevin Durant is retarded, and YOU are retarded. ****ing retarded mother****ers literally everywhere. That's my life... all the way to the grave. Retards, retards, retards.

:roll:


Hey retard, how did Jordan do as a GM?

The **** does MJ as GM have to do with Durant, moron? How has Jerry West done as GM?

Anyway I think you're lost. You aren't done melting down over Kobe are you?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479943-ESPN-all-time-rankings-40-11
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?479979-ESPN-s-top-10-players-of-all-time

[Manny98]

I mean he said himself he would struggle in todays NBA :confusedshrug:


. But there was one that might be bothersome, the zone defense. It was the topic du jour at last month's All-Star Game, and Jordan was making an impassioned plea before the competition committee that had gathered to consider rules changes to enliven the NBA game. Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did.


That was Jordan's argument: He believed that allowing any defense, or a zone, enables teams to gang up on the star. Gone will be the highlight-show moves and plays, the ESPN-ization of the game that others contend has been detrimental to sound play.

[Shogon]

have you ever heard the story if you meet one asshole today, you met one asshole, but if everybody you met was an asshole, YOU are the asshole.

Catch my drift?

Oh man you really got me! It was I that was the retard all along!!! Ohhh nooooo!!!


No, but seriously... I'll let you figure out who you are in this scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwJFsjKZ360&t=60

[LostCause]

I mean he said himself he would struggle in todays NBA :confusedshrug:

Good thing they prevented what MJ spoke about from occurring because of that meeting

[dbugz]

Granpa MJ trolling these athletes on the offensive end :oldlol: imagine if he's still on his prime on those clips :bowdown:

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[eliteballer]

5-8 midgets averaging 29ppg and Jordan would have issues:oldlol:

[LeCroix]

He would struggle against zone defenses and prolific 3 point shooters on the other side of the ball

Jordan would be just another guy in this era

Not to mention social media taking its toll on the mentally fragile Jordan, who couldn't handle the passing of his father

This

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[eliteballer]

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[ImKobe]

40 y.o Jordan was still a 20 ppg scorer in the toughest defensive era (early 2000s). What would prime Jordan do in an era where teams play 5 out?

[Elosha]

He would struggle against zone defenses and prolific 3 point shooters on the other side of the ball

Jordan would be just another guy in this era

Not to mention social media taking its toll on the mentally fragile Jordan, who couldn't handle the passing of his father

Do we still have the dumbest statements thread. ^:facepalm

[LeCroix]

Granpa MJ trolling these athletes on the offensive end :oldlol: imagine if he's still on his prime on those clips :bowdown:

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Against Jeff Honracek and John Starks?

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2010 is a mans league son gtfo

[dbugz]

Against Jeff Honracek and John Starks?

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2010 is a mans league son gtfo

indeed

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[Goalgoalabc]

I think this is difficult to compare. You can only imagine

[ralph_i_el]

5-8 midgets averaging 29ppg and Jordan would have issues:oldlol:

IT hit more 3's in that season than MJ's 2 best 3 point shooting seasons combined.

[juju151111]

I mean he said himself he would struggle in todays NBA :confusedshrug:

Tmac, Duncan etc.... All exaggerated Zone defense. They all were saying the samething. Soon has the zone was introduced Duncan has career year, Tmac has a career year and 38 year old Mj with bad knees and broken rips(Which made him not be able to get in shape before the season) averged 25,5,6 before his knee injury vs the Kings. Mj also destroyed Shawn marion who 6'7 long arms crazy athletic.

[ralph_i_el]

Tmac, Duncan etc.... All exaggerated Zone defense. They all were saying the samething. Soon has the zone was introduced Duncan has career year, Tmac has a career year and 38 year old Mj with bad knees and broken rips(Which made him not be able to get in shape before the season) averged 25,5,6 before his knee injury vs the Kings. Mj also destroyed Shawn marion who 6'7 long arms crazy athletic.

Using the new rules effectively wasn't figured out until Thibs was the asst coach for the Celtics. Then folks started to copy what they were doing after '08. The period between 2001-08 had a ton of high individual PPG totals for stars, but that started to drop off after 2008. Then pace started to go up really high to what it is today, so stats for everyone got inflated.

[Bronbron23]

He would struggle against zone defenses and prolific 3 point shooters on the other side of the ball

Jordan would be just another guy in this era

Not to mention social media taking its toll on the mentally fragile Jordan, who couldn't handle the passing of his father

by not handling the death of his father you mean by trying to go pro in a sport he loved as a child and then going back to the nba winning 3 chips becoming the goat in most people eyes? Yeah he barely handled that at all :facepalm

[Bronbron23]

so wait. The warriors dominated the last 5 years. Cleveland when bron was there was the runner up most times so these would of been mj's main competition recently. Where are these athletic specimens that would give mj such a hard time? Warriors were led by 3 of the least athletic players of all time in steph, klay and dray. Even when kd joined hes still not a crazy athlete in relative terms. He's stupid skilled for his length but not a crazy athlete.

What about Cleveland? where are these guys that are way athletic than players from the 90's? Lebron is for sure but thats not helping him check mj. Hes way to slow footed laterally to check mj.

Its all b.s. these so called super athletic teams just dont exist.

[DoctorP]

Would Jordan be more injury prone due to the faster pace of the league today?

It's possible.


Kobe would have lasted longer in the 90s than the 10's. due to the slower pace and half-court , defensive focus.

[Turbo Slayer]

so wait. The warriors dominated the last 5 years. Cleveland when bron was there was the runner up most times so these would of been mj's main competition recently. Where are these athletic specimens that would give mj such a hard time? Warriors were led by 3 of the least athletic players of all time in steph, klay and dray. Even when kd joined hes still not a crazy athlete in relative terms. He's stupid skilled for his length but not a crazy athlete.

What about Cleveland? where are these guys that are way athletic than players from the 90's? Lebron is for sure but thats not helping him check mj. Hes way to slow footed laterally to check mj.

Its all b.s. these so called super athletic teams just don't exist. Exactly. No player from today is more athletic than any player from the 90's. I guarantee you that if 90s players was given the benefits of technology today they do just as good as todays players. It's all bullshit. The league today has different rules compared to the older eras.

The NBA today has no handchecking and defensive 3 seconds (illegal defense). The game today is designed to be a game oriented around guard play. It's basically a spaced out game.

I believe that players from this era can adapt to the old game and older players can adapt to the new game. I don't necessarily think today's players are more skilled or more better. The game just allows free flowing offense.

[Bronbron23]

Would Jordan be more injury prone due to the faster pace of the league today?

It's possible.


Kobe would have lasted longer in the 90s than the 10's. due to the slower pace and half-court , defensive focus.

That goes both ways though. Its more faster now but less physical. This goes for games and practices. The doc talks about how practices used to be more competitive and physical than games. Now practices are basically just shoot arounds.

[DoctorP]

That goes both ways though. Its more faster now but less physical. This goes for games and practices. The doc talks about how practices used to be more competitive and physical than games. Now practices are basically just shoot arounds.

true! but running is the easiest way to wear down the knees

I know Jordan would find a way because he's as goat as it gets

[Bronbron23]

Exactly. No player from today is more athletic than any player from the 90's. I guarantee you that if 90s players was given the benefits of technology today they do just as good as todays players. It's all bullshit. The league today has different rules compared to the older eras.

The NBA today has no handchecking and defensive 3 seconds (illegal defense). The game today is designed to be a game oriented around guard play. It's basically a spaced out game.

I believe that players from this era can adapt to the old game and older players can adapt to the new game. I don't necessarily think today's players are more skilled or more better. The game just allows free flowing offense.

Yeah for sure. Its not even that guards are more skilled now they just have way more of a green light to shoot and create. In the 90's gaurds had to dump it in the post alot more.

[Turbo Slayer]

Yeah for sure. Its not even that guards are more skilled now they just have way more of a green light to shoot and create. In the 90's gaurds had to dump it in the post alot more. Yep. The game was oriented around big man back then.

[Bronbron23]

true! but running is the easiest way to wear down the knees

I know Jordan would find a way because he's as goat as it gets

Yeah if its your kness that become the problem. For alot of guys its their back that does them in. Overall id say this environment is more beneficial for longevity. The owners and league wants there product to last as long as possible. This is one of the reasons they did away with the physical practices in the first place. With those 90's practices those guys were basically playing 130-140 games depending on how much they practiced.

[DoctorP]

Yeah if its your kness that become the problem. For alot of guys its their back that does them in. Overall id say this environment is more beneficial for longevity. The owners and league wants there product to last as long as possible. This is one of the reasons they did away with the physical practices in the first place. With those 90's practices those guys were basically playing 130-140 games depending on how much they practiced.

80s era guys seem to have the most longevity. maybe it was the cocaine? :lol

the warriors fell apart. other than lebron, this era theres a lot of injuries

[DoctorP]

how can i find out who played the most minutes during the 2010's decade? i dont know how :lol

[DoctorP]

hmm...interesting Durant and Harden seem to have lead the 2010's in minutes. Durant went down...Harden seems to be ok with his style.

[tommy9050]

With all due respect and I do mean that because you are entitled to your own opinion, this is the worst basketball take I have ever heard. I don't know how old you are, but have you been watching the last dance? Michael Jordan is the last star in that era, who would be just another guy in this era. Kobe Bryant who is the closest player in terms of style and productivity that we have seen since Jordan. Nobody outside of LA believes Kobe was a better player than Jordan. MJ was the most talented, toughest, confident, and competitive player ever. Please don't give me the three point argument either. Jordan was the best midrange jump shooter ever, don't believe me, there are videos online of statisticians proving that he in fact was. Jordan, who by the way hit six threes in a half versus the Trail Blazers in the finals, would have adapted to today's game and at least shot 35% from three and even if for whatever reason he didn't, no one was stopping him in his prime from getting to the basket. Jordan defeated tough and physical teams like the bad boy pistons and the New York Knicks, despite the referees swallowing there whistles and Jordan taking a beating, he still overcame those teams. Yes, players overall are more athletic and talented than they used to be, as a league, but no one today or prior was a better athlete than Jordan. The game was more physical in Jordan's era substantially, but the league is overall more talented now, I believe that neglects any advantage either player would have. By the way, I am from Ohio and a huge Lebron fan, even after he went to Miami and then went to LA I did not hold it against him because the Cavs organization is a mess. I want Lebron to be the better player all-time, but it cannot happen. MJ was six for six in the finals and even though I will acknowledge that Lebron has had terrible luck with teammates getting injured and playing super teams, MJ never would have lost to the Dallas Mavericks, having Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh on his team and JJ Barea guarding him.

[AngelEyes]

It would not even be more of a challenge in today's NBA, it would be even easier for him. With the spacing and the rules, Jordan would be completely unguardable and would get to the rim constantly and shoot many free throws.

[Lebron23]

He needs to improve his 3 points shooting.

[Bronbron23]

80s era guys seem to have the most longevity. maybe it was the cocaine? :lol

the warriors fell apart. other than lebron, this era theres a lot of injuries

lol yeah that white gurl no joke. Hard to say. I feel like players were done by there early 30's back then. Coukd be wrong though Id like to see some actual data to compare.

[Bronbron23]

He needs to improve his 3 points shooting.

Does he though? Bron has won 3 in this era and his 3 point shooting in the playoffs isnt any better. Its actually worse in the finals when it counts most.

[BigShotBob]

If another Jordan came into this cupcake era Adam Silver would literally change the rules to make the game harder for him.

[LeCroix]

If another Jordan came into this cupcake era Adam Silver would literally change the rules to make the game harder for him.

Like for Curry?

[BigShotBob]

Like for Curry?

Curry is Jordan now? :oldlol:

[ashilnayak2]

It would not even be more of a challenge in today's NBA, it would be even easier for him. With the spacing and the rules, Jordan would be completely unguardable and would get to the rim constantly and shoot many free throws.

[Nikola_]

flashier dribble& 3point chucking doesnt mean this era is "skilled"

[ashilnayak2]

It would not even be more of a challenge in toda https://discord.software/ https://omegle.onl/ https://vshare.onl/s NBA, it would be even easier for him. With the spacing and the rules, Jordan would be completely unguardable and would get to the rim constantly and shoot many free throws.


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[PP34Deuce]

Jordan would become a guy that looks to draw fools. Defenders are longer and hed adjust to that. Hed also need to shoot more 3s.

Its jordan of course hed be dominant scoring today. Hed adjust like any all time great

[Dagoods]

He would average 40pts with ease!

[FKAri]

He would average 40pts with ease!

He'd get ****ed in the ass until he passes out then get tossed in a dumpster.

[ThatCoolKid]

Well, let's see how Jordan faired in a full season (year 14) against 2000s level athletes - who in all fairness are nothing compared to 2010/20s athletes but are at least better than the Honda mechanics of the 90s.

22.9 / 5.7 / 5.2

41.6 / 18.9 / 79 shooting splits

46.8 TS 20.7 PER .075 WS/48

So basically Westbrook without the triple-doubles or the 30 points a game volume.

Yikes :lol

[Dagoods]

He would go to the line at least 10 more times in this era. He would take more 3s.

Yup somewhere between 40-50pts a game.

[2ball]

Sorry mike we don’t have 4ft midgets in the modern era

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[ThatCoolKid]

He would go to the line at least 10 more times in this era. He would take more 3s.

Yup somewhere between 40-50pts a game.

We already saw him in the early 2000s, we don't have to guess. He averaged 22.9 ppg shooting 18.9% from three and 46.8 TS. Even Iverson was more efficient than that :lol

[Dagoods]

And he was 39-40, duh!

[2ball]

He couldn’t average 40ppg against midget Muggsy

[CTbasketball92]

Nobody with half a brain think's he would "struggle".

His athleticism would not stand out AS MUCH as it did in his era. As many people have pointed out, there's a bevvy of scrubs who have 40+ inch verticals. To me, this says that it takes WAY WAY WAY more than just speed and vert to be a GOAT-level ball player.

MJ would not be able to play the same type of game he did back then. Posting up and shooting fadeaway 2's like in his second 3-peat is just not going to fly as the first option on offense these days (as a top level offense). With the legalization of zone-D, it's harder to get 1-on-1 looks from the post. Guys can sag off their men and cover more of his avenues of attack. That's why the 3 point shooting and off-ball play are so essential.

If his style of play would have to change for this era, it's pretty much impossible to judge how good he would be. He'd be a top-5 defensive wing, a top-5 iso scorer, top-5 offensive positioning, and a top-5 transition player in the league right now. That's 1st team all-NBA.


In 97-98, ~60% of MJ's shots were between 10ft and the 3 point line. He shot ~44% on these shots. He shot about 50% on those looks the year before. That translates to around 1 point per play, which is a (slightly) below-average offensive look. Of course, there is an advantage in having a shot that you can get off at the end of shot clocks....but as 60% of your shots?


Honestly people say his athleticism wouldn't stand out as much, but I don't really think that's true. 1984-1992 MJ would be the best athlete in recent memory, right there with LeBron, superior to Giannis in a technical way if not functionally. Spencer D's comments were interesting and funny, but he was literally nowhere near as athletic as MJ, who would be even more athletic today with all the extra training. He didn't even lift weights until like, 1989. MJ would be by far the quickest shooting guard in the league, and if you know how to perceive how much of an advantage this is, his body control/coordination/balance/dexterity were all on Kyrie Irving levels, except he was Russell Westbrook level quickness with Zion Williamson bounce and more stamina than all of these players. Dinwiddie could never move like MJ. If you combine the Kyrie agility (GOAT-level) with Kawhi hands, Westbrook explosiveness and Zion bounce with a legit 6'5" frame you get an unstoppable athlete in any era. Even second three-peat MJ would be a top 5 or so athlete in the league, and would easily outclass most guards. He's quicker and stronger and more coordinated than, say Zach Lavine even at age 35.


As for how his game would adapt, MJ could definitely shoot 35% on four or five threes a game a minimum. A lot of his threes in his career were heaves. MJ is a better, quicker thinking, much better playmaking, IQ, but smaller, version of Kawhi. Nothing you could do about that.

[CTbasketball92]

Also, unlike Harden, MJ had a Curry-like off-ball game, except he was much faster and more athletic so he could be even more devastating as a cutter.

[goozeman]

Jordan actually hit his upper torso on the backboard on a goaltend against Duke. A lot of people say it was his head, but pause the video below at 19 seconds. It's his upper back that hits the backboard, and what's crazy is that he's still going up. The backboard actually stops his upward momentum and in slow motion you can see the that impact visibly shakes the board. Basically, Jordan's max running vertical at his peak athleticism is probably, if anything, underestimated... probably close to 50 inches. Some say his max was 46 or something like that, which would still be good enough for a tie all-time with guys like Lavine and James White, but it is likely even higher than that considering Jordan's athletic peak as a jumper was in his college years.


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[Gohan]

He would struggle against zone defenses and prolific 3 point shooters on the other side of the ball

Jordan would be just another guy in this era

Not to mention social media taking its toll on the mentally fragile Jordan, who couldn't handle the passing of his father

So you honestly believe the pr people wouldn’t coach Jordan up on how to act so he stays out of trouble? You have to take everything into account man

[light]

Jordan was Zach LaVine's size and LaVine is tiny. LaVine can actually - probably - jump higher than Jordan.

[goozeman]

Jordan was Zach LaVine's size and LaVine is tiny. LaVine can actually - probably - jump higher than Jordan.

Yet Harden is a fatty that dominates this league, but in terms of actual real basketball size Jordan is bigger than him having a higher standing reach and superior wingspan. Look at Jordan's offensive rebounding numbers. They are better than Lebron's. Offensive rebounds are likely to be contested and usually go to guys with the length, strength, and quickness advantage, not necessarily height or weight. Zach Lavine has .5 per ORB for his career. Jordan for much his career was right around 2 offensive rebounds per game. Jordan was generational athlete. He'd be fine in today's game.

[ImKobe]

MJ would be the most athletic player in today's league. Just look at the athletes Lebron faced in these Playoffs. None of them even come close. Who's the equivalent to Karl Malone athletically in today's era? Lebron? Jordan was 2 - 0 in the Finals against a guy as athletic as Bron.

[Mr. Woke]

Jordan would struggle more in today's era for sure.

His skillset was great for primitive basketball. The modern NBA would have him shook.

[insight]

Jordan would struggle more in today's era for sure.

His skillset was great for primitive basketball. The modern NBA would have him shook.

If the modern NBA is so difficult explain how a 43 year old Vince Carter and 40 year old Jamal Crawford are still balling. Look at what Melo did this year, but yet you really think prime Jordan would be shook?

[2ball]

LeBron is Pippen and MJ rolled into one. In order to succeed in modern basketball you have to be multi skilled. MJ OTOH was really good at scoring, however he lacked in all the other necessary areas (assists, rebounds) to really be a dominant player in modern basketball

[dankok8]

Why? Because athletes in his era like Drexler, Nique, Pippen, Stansbury, Kemp, Hakeem, Robinson, Shaq were worse than today's athletes? Some of y'all should get educated on past eras before spewing ignorance.

[2ball]

Why? Because athletes in his era like Drexler, Nique, Pippen, Stansbury, Kemp, Hakeem, Robinson, Shaq were worse than today's athletes? Some of y'all should get educated on past eras before spewing ignorance.

Does MJ get to bring Pippen with him?

[baudkarma]

I don't know why when the question of how a player from a previous era would perform in the modern NBA, people assume that the player would be frozen in carbonite and thawed out just before tip-off. Give Jordan (or any other historical great) a preseason to prepare, and they'd learn how to handle zone defenses and increased 3-point shooting and the other things that make the modern game different from the way it was played when that player was in his prime.

[Mr. Woke]

If the modern NBA is so difficult explain how a 43 year old Vince Carter and 40 year old Jamal Crawford are still balling. Look at what Melo did this year, but yet you really think prime Jordan would be shook?

VC and Jamal were bench players lol.

[KirbyPls]

Does MJ get to bring Pippen with him?

Ether.

[SATAN]

22/6/5

26% from 3

Just a hunch

[HoopsNY]

If that is the case, cancel the entire league up until 2015. Why even discuss this? It's obvious Bran stans think that Jordan's era was inferior, so then what about Kobe? Might as well cancel him too since he was less athletic than MJ.

And if this is the case, then forget about Bird, Magic, Dr. J, Duncan, KG, Shaq, Wilt, Kareem, Big O, Nique, and all the other all-time greats. Basically, the league began in 2014 and anything prior doesn't count.

The IQ level on this forum dips every day.

[TheCorporation]

He did well for his time against 140 pound stationary traffic cones.

[HoopsNY]

Amazing. Luka can go 29/9/9 on bad efficiency. Beal can drop 30 a night. Harden can drop 36 a night. But Jordan who is the most athletic player, arguably after Wilt, can't hang with today's players because a bunch of NBA2k basement trolls say so.

[Bawkish]

Amazing. Luka can go 29/9/9 on bad efficiency. Beal can drop 30 a night. Harden can drop 36 a night. But Jordan who is the most athletic player, arguably after Wilt, can't hang with today's players because a bunch of NBA2k basement trolls say so.

Lot of Branstans were NBA2k sweaty tryhards who haven't touch a real ball in real life

[TheCorporation]

Amazing. Luka can go 29/9/9 on bad efficiency. Beal can drop 30 a night. Harden can drop 36 a night. But Jordan who is the most athletic player, arguably after Wilt, can't hang with today's players because a bunch of NBA2k basement trolls say so.

The part you keep forgetting is these modern players are doing this against big, athletic wings on the perimeter. MJ dropped big games on Craig Ehlo and John Starks. Big difference.

[Baller789]

The part you keep forgetting is these modern players are doing this against big, athletic wings on the perimeter. MJ dropped big games on Craig Ehlo and John Starks. Big difference.
Dumb argument as usual.
Lots of the best defenders arent the most athletic.

[TheCorporation]

Dumb argument as usual.
Lots of the best defenders arent the most athletic.

Really? Name a few big, athletic wings on the perimeter that guarded MJ? For example, LeBron has faced:

Kawhi, Draymond, Paul George, Siakam, Jimmy Butler, Giannis, Klay, etc.

[Bawkish]

Really? Name a few big, athletic wings on the perimeter that guarded MJ? For example, LeBron has faced:

Kawhi, Draymond, Paul George, Siakam, Jimmy Butler, Giannis, Klay, etc.

Rodman, Dumars, Michael Cooper, GP, Alvin Robertson, Anthony MAson, Dennis Johnson, Sidney Moncrief, Clyde Drexler

some of them were DPOYS

[TheCorporation]

Rodman, Dumars, Michael Cooper, GP, Alvin Robertson, Anthony MAson, Dennis Johnson, Sidney Moncrief, Clyde Drexler

some of them were DPOYS

https://i.postimg.cc/VsMXpVSy/Michael-What-the-office-10400786-400-226.gif

[HoopsNY]

The part you keep forgetting is these modern players are doing this against big, athletic wings on the perimeter. MJ dropped big games on Craig Ehlo and John Starks. Big difference.

You're a classic simpleton. When 39-40 year old MJ dropped 40-45 points against bigger guys like Marshall and Van Horn (6'9"-6'11"), that doesn't count? Let me guess, the retort is that they weren't great defensively.

So when he dropped 40-45 against Richard Jefferson and Shawn Marion, both great defensive players, I guess that doesn't count, either? At the age of 40?

And let me also guess, LeBron being bigger than many if not most SFs in the league doesn't matter, also, right? These arguments are beyond terrible at this point.

[ThatCoolKid]

You're a classic simpleton. When 39-40 year old MJ dropped 40-45 points against bigger guys like Marshall and Van Horn (6'9"-6'11"), that doesn't count? Let me guess, the retort is that they weren't great defensively.

So when he dropped 40-45 against Richard Jefferson and Shawn Marion, both great defensive players, I guess that doesn't count, either? At the age of 40?

And let me also guess, LeBron being bigger than many if not most SFs in the league doesn't matter, also, right? These arguments are beyond terrible at this point.

RJ was a rookie scrub that year.

And yeah dropping 22 ppg on 41 / 18 / 78 shooting is super impressive :lol

[HoopsNY]

RJ was a rookie scrub that year.

And yeah dropping 22 ppg on 41 / 18 / 78 shooting is super impressive :lol

No he wasn't. RJ was a sophomore in the league then and already a solid defensive player. Did you even watch basketball back then? How old are you kids?

[HoopsNY]

RJ was a rookie scrub that year.

And yeah dropping 22 ppg on 41 / 18 / 78 shooting is super impressive :lol

No context, either. Doesn't matter that he had a 3 year layoff and was 39 years old. Unbelievable. You guys are the kings of context.

[ThatCoolKid]

No he wasn't. RJ was a sophomore in the league then and already a solid defensive player. Did you even watch basketball back then? How old are you kids?

Oh nice, he was 22 instead of 21. how many all defense teams did he make then if he was such a lock down guy? Musta been a helluva defender since MJ couldn't shoot above 20% on threes :lol

[Baller789]

Lebrontards once again don't get the point and focus on one pucking player. Lol!

Battier, Bowen, and Conley are great defenders who aren't athletic. In fact a lot of athletic players don't even play D.

Lebrontards overrate athlethicism in basketball.

[Horatio33]

If Alex Caruso can get to the bucket in 2020, I'm sure Michael Jordan would be fine in 2020.

[HoopsNY]

Oh nice, he was 22 instead of 21. how many all defense teams did he make then if he was such a lock down guy? Musta been a helluva defender since MJ couldn't shoot above 20% on threes :lol

Classic Bran stan move. When proven wrong, you move the goal posts. Now we can only discuss All-Defensive players, knowing full well that MJ monopolized All-Defensive 1st team throughout his career. So what do you expect, him to guard himself?

All-Defensive teams usually have a mix up of guards, and often times include mostly PGs. So we just disregard Marcus Smart (6'3") or Tony Allen (6'4")?

Look at what MJ did against Jefferson and Marion in his old age. Then look at how well he played against Dumars, Drexler, Jones, Majerle. Dumars is the smallest out of them all, but he was one of the greatest defensive SGs, ever.

Who is really left? Danny Green and Klay? You're saying these guys would stop MJ? Hilarious.

[Baller789]

Westbrook is doing fine in this era.

Well Jordan is a lot better and bigger than Westbrick. Its so obvious really.

Even Wade will tear this open path to the basket, parting of the red sea sorry excuse for a defense.

Heck, even prime D Rose would do well.

I swear these Lebrontards are the dumbest posters ever.

[Shooter]

Really? Name a few big, athletic wings on the perimeter that guarded MJ? For example, LeBron has faced:

Kawhi, Draymond, Paul George, Siakam, Jimmy Butler, Giannis, Klay, etc.

Anyone there?

[Baller789]

Anyone there?

And qeue in a Lebrontard who completely misses the point.

Expect another Lebrontard to give oral pleasure to his disgraced brethren.

[Shooter]

And qeue in a Lebrontard who completely misses the point.

Expect another Lebrontard to give oral pleasure to his disgraced brethren.

Name a few big, athletic wings on the perimeter that guarded MJ? For example, LeBron has faced:

Kawhi, Draymond, Paul George, Siakam, Jimmy Butler, Giannis, Klay, etc.

[Baller789]

Name a few big, athletic wings on the perimeter that guarded MJ? For example, LeBron has faced:

Kawhi, Draymond, Paul George, Siakam, Jimmy Butler, Giannis, Klay, etc.

Your completely missing the point as usual.

And no, repeating the same sh!t over and over doesn't make you right or look bright.

And LOL at adding Klay as a big and athletic defender. Your just shot your own foot.

[Mr. Woke]

LeBron has faced tougher competition.

The primitive and weak 80s/90s were perfect for MJ.

[jayfan]

More than 20 years later and his stans, as well as his mudslingers still can't move on from mj.

GOATs are never moved on from.



.

[Baller789]

LeBron has faced tougher competition.

The primitive and weak 80s/90s were perfect for MJ.

You mean the same Lebron who by advanced stats just won the 3rd easiest championship in the last four decades? That same tougher competition?

[2ball]

MJ was an ok player

[Mr. Woke]

You mean the same Lebron who by advanced stats just won the 3rd easiest championship in the last four decades? That same tougher competition?

Stay salty boyo.

The 90s NBA was weaker.

[Baller789]

Stay salty boyo.

The 90s NBA was weaker.

Another idiot with no brain to debate.

[Shooter]

LeBron has faced tougher competition.

The primitive and weak 80s/90s were perfect for MJ.

+1

[SATAN]

GOATs are never moved on from.



.

This mentality is silly imo. It seems ridiculous to just say "He's the goat, no one will ever be better. No one.".

I've seen it in person from people who are not very knowledgeable about basketball and it comes across as pure ignorance.

Maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to convey though.

[Round Mound]

Jordan is the most athletic 6'4 3/4 ft player ever. Most of the league would have problems with him. For example his 1st step was the quikest ever (especially today since you can't hand check). Jordan was the strongest shooting guard ever body wise. He was also the best leaper off 2 or 1 leg, most agil, fastest, quickest etc of all shooting guards.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Jordan is the most athletic 6'4 3/4 ft player ever. Most of the league would have problems with him. For example his 1st step was the quikest ever (especially today since you can't hand check). Jordan was the strongest shooting guard ever body wise. He was also the best leaper off 2 or 1 leg, most agil, fastest, quickest etc of all shooting guards.

So Jordan was 4 inches shorter than LeBron?

[Mr. Woke]

Another idiot with no brain to debate.

Another 90s baby with nostalgia goggles stapled to his face.

[Baller789]

Another 90s baby with nostalgia goggles stapled to his face.
I could go with recency bias on your face.
It goes both ways.

[Mr. Woke]

I could go with recency bias on your face.
It goes both ways.

Nope. The 80s/90s were primitive/inferior/diluted in comparison to the modern era.

I enjoy watching the NBA way more nowadays than before.

[Round Mound]

So Jordan was 4 inches shorter than LeBron?

Lebron is 6'8 ft Jordan is almost 6'5 ft

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lebron is 6'8 ft Jordan is almost 6'5 ft

LeBron measured 6 8.5 without shoes this year.

[Baller789]

Nope. The 80s/90s were primitive/inferior/diluted in comparison to the modern era.

I enjoy watching the NBA way more nowadays than before.

Recency bias.

You enjoy the open path to the basket style eh? Lol

[Mr. Woke]

Recency bias.

You enjoy the open path to the basket style eh? Lol

Take off the nostalgia goggles.

[Baller789]

Take off the nostalgia goggles.
I did. And all I can see in todays game are mediocre pg's able to penetrate to the basket because of the no handchecking and no 3 second defensive rule.

[8Ball]

Name a few big, athletic wings on the perimeter that guarded MJ? For example, LeBron has faced:

Kawhi, Draymond, Paul George, Siakam, Jimmy Butler, Giannis, Klay, etc.

Ehlo, Hornacek

[RogueBorg]

Ehlo, Hornacek

Bronny got shut down by the AC https://sportige.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/NBA-vs-Boxing.jpg

[Mr. Woke]

I did. And all I can see in todays game are mediocre pg's able to penetrate to the basket because of the no handchecking and no 3 second defensive rule.

You are living in the past lol.

The modern era is way better.

[Shooter]

Ehlo, Hornacek

Yiiiikes

Is that it for the 90s?

[HoopsNY]

Sloganeering, one liners, and memes. This is the reality of your average LeBron stan today whose language is derived from a 56 character limit Twitter post.

[Baller789]

You are living in the past lol.

The modern era is way better.

Because?

[Mr. Woke]

Because?

The game is more aesthetic nowadays. For the most part, 80s/90s ball was very primitive.

[Baller789]

The game is more aesthetic nowadays. For the most part, 80s/90s ball was very primitive.

So more aesthetic means better?

[HoopsNY]

Nope. The 80s/90s were primitive/inferior/diluted in comparison to the modern era.

I enjoy watching the NBA way more nowadays than before.

You mean the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s. Bran stans want us to believe that the game was fine from the 50s-80s, then the game sucked for twenty years, then the game got better again, magically.

This all boils down to one man. His name is Michael Jordan. The fact is that the 2000s were more akin to the 90s than they were to today's game. The game has taken a radical shift from 2015 onward.

So why not just write off the first 60 years of the game all together? The GOAT list shouldn't include MJ, Magic, Larry, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Oscar, West, Hakeem, etc. It also shouldn't include Shaq, Kobe, KG, Duncan, Kidd, Dirk etc.

The GOAT list should be exclusively for guys between 2010-2020. And what makes this such a laughable concept is that their beloved LeBron came into the league in 2003. So everyone pre-2010 is disqualified.......except LeBron. :lol

Let's just make a list for 1946-2010 and 2010 onward. After all, the game was "primitive," right?

[Mr. Woke]

So more aesthetic means better?

To me definitely.

I am not a fan of primitive ball.

[Mr. Woke]

You mean the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s. Bran stans want us to believe that the game was fine from the 50s-80s, then the game sucked for twenty years, then the game got better again, magically.

This all boils down to one man. His name is Michael Jordan. The fact is that the 2000s were more akin to the 90s than they were to today's game. The game has taken a radical shift from 2015 onward.

So why not just write off the first 60 years of the game all together? The GOAT list shouldn't include MJ, Magic, Larry, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Oscar, West, Hakeem, etc. It also shouldn't include Shaq, Kobe, KG, Duncan, Kidd, Dirk etc.

The GOAT list should be exclusively for guys between 2010-2020. And what makes this such a laughable concept is that their beloved LeBron came into the league in 2003. So everyone pre-2010 is disqualified.......except LeBron. :lol

Let's just make a list for 1946-2010 and 2010 onward. After all, the game was "primitive," right?

The modern era is better.

Keep coping son.

[3ball]

He would struggle against zone defenses and prolific 3 point shooters on the other side of the ball

Jordan would be just another guy in this era

Not to mention social media taking its toll on the mentally fragile Jordan, who couldn't handle the passing of his father

How did you feel when Jimmy Butler was outplaying today's goat without taking a single three-pointer?

You must've been like , "well, I was wrong about that one"... Surely you say that ALL THE TIME when watching the game..

[Baller789]

To me definitely.

I am not a fan of primitive ball.

Do you understand english?
Not primitive does not equal asthetic.

[Mr. Woke]

Do you understand english?
Not primitive does not equal asthetic.

Do you understand English?

The modern NBA is definitely more aesthetic and better overall. Primitive ball is unaesthetic.

[Baller789]

Do you understand English?

The modern NBA is definitely more aesthetic and better overall. Primitive ball is unaesthetic.

So asthetic means better right?

Anthony Davis is asthetically pleasing
Tim Duncan is boring.

By your logic AD>>>>Timmy

Hilarious

[Mr. Woke]

So asthetic means better right?

Anthony Davis is asthetically pleasing
Tim Duncan is boring.

By your logic AD>>>>Timmy

Hilarious

TD at least has some MVPs to pad his resume.

Even in his prime I never watched him. He was a boring ass player.

[Baller789]

TD at least has some MVPs to pad his resume.

Even in his prime I never watched him. He was a boring ass player.

Thats your problem, you value style over substance.

[Marchesk]

Westbrook has a 37 inch vertical and averages 30.5% for three for his career.

[Baller789]

Well Bron stans are retarded.
What do you expect?

[HoopsNY]

The modern era is better.

Keep coping son.

Right. So players pre-2010 (except for LeBron :lol) are disqualified from the all-time top 10 list. That is reserved for only players who played from 2010 onward. Just say it and stop half-stepping.

[Baller789]

Right. So players pre-2010 (except for LeBron :lol) are disqualified from the all-time top 10 list. That is reserved for only players who played from 2010 onward. Just say it and stop half-stepping.

Well he does say asthetic basketball trumps all.

So meh.

[Shooter]

Right. So players pre-2010 (except for LeBron :lol) are disqualified from the all-time top 10 list. That is reserved for only players who played from 2010 onward. Just say it and stop half-stepping.

Zone defense was no longer illegal in 2003, MODERN ERA

Zone defense was banned until then

Keep up baby boi :lol

[Baller789]

Zone defense was no longer illegal in 2003, MODERN ERA

Zone defense was banned until then

Keep up baby boi :lol

Is anyone playing true zone defence now?

[Shooter]

Is anyone playing true zone defence now?

Keep up idiot

[Baller789]

Keep up idiot

Just answer the question shooter.

[eliteballer]

https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

[Smoke117]

Probably. Even I'm an athletic goat compared to Craig Ehlo.

[And1AllDay]

well mike put up 26 on 41% vs 6'1 payton soooooooooooo


yeahhhhhhhhhhhh

hes in trouble with big wins guarding him a la kawhi, dray, paul george, bran, siakam, butler, etc.

[HoopsNY]

well mike put up 26 on 41% vs 6'1 payton soooooooooooo


yeahhhhhhhhhhhh

hes in trouble with big wins guarding him a la kawhi, dray, paul george, bran, siakam, butler, etc.

None of the guys you mentioned are elite defenders like Payton was, with the exception of Kawhi. Payton was the greatest lockdown defender at the PG position, ever. It's clear you never saw him play.

[dankok8]

With no handchecking and modern spacing where you can't help on dudes driving to the rim and few shotblocking big men it's hard to imagine prime Jordan not putting up 40 ppg on stratospheric efficiency. And of course he would maintain it in the playoffs. Seriously... we saw Jimmy Buckets put up 26/8/10 on 66 %TS against a great defense of this era in the Finals. It sends me shivers to think how badly MJ would destroy defenders today with the modern rules. Dudes would cry at halftime saying "How do I even stop this MFer..." and that's with a time machine argument. No adjustment just slot MJ into today's NBA and let him figure it out and he would obliterate guys.

And that's not even taking into account how the reduced physicality prolongs guys' careers. Getting hit hard to many times, running into hard screens, having to exert so much more effort in moving the ball took its toll on guys... Kids on this forum never watched the NBA even in the 00's let alone the 90's. Some of that you can't see on film. You just had to watch and immerse yourself in those battles to understand that it no longer exists in the current NBA.

[SATAN]

well mike put up 26 on 41% vs 6'1 payton soooooooooooo


yeahhhhhhhhhhhh

hes in trouble with big wins guarding him a la kawhi, dray, paul george, bran, siakam, butler, etc.

Gary is 6'4

[Marchesk]

Probably. Even I'm an athletic goat compared to Craig Ehlo.

What about Luka?

[Smoke117]

What about Luka?

Even Luka's an athletic goat compared to Craig Ehlo.

[theaussieguy]

Westbrook has a 37 inch vertical and averages 30.5% for three for his career.

Believe it or not it is an absolutely ABYSMAL 36.5 inches and people have the audacity to suggest he is some kind of big time high flyer dunking extroadinare? All long arms and knee cartilage shredding hustle, an athlete was not seen that day.

[dbugz]

Grandpa Wizard's MJ toyed young athletic Shawn Marion

prime libron record against an aging Shawn Marion? 13-16

plus libron embarrassing finals against a senior citizien Marion :roll:


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AnguishedShyFrillneckedlizard-size_restricted.gif

[Baller789]

Lot of unathletic white dudes are doing fine in the league, so OP is a fakkit.

Athlethicism is overrated. Skill is king.

[8Ball]

Your completely missing the point as usual.

And no, repeating the same sh!t over and over doesn't make you right or look bright.

And LOL at adding Klay as a big and athletic defender. Your just shot your own foot.

But but but what about assist titles for LeBron?

:lol

Lol baller789 you are a total retard. LeBron fans are smarter than you forever and always. :roll:

[warriorfan]

Believe it or not it is an absolutely ABYSMAL 36.5 inches and people have the audacity to suggest he is some kind of big time high flyer dunking extroadinare? All long arms and knee cartilage shredding hustle, an athlete was not seen that day.

:roll: :roll:

[Mr. Woke]

In today's era, MJ would be a slightly better DeMar DeRozan.

[GrayGoat]

Is anyone playing true zone defence now?

Miami played true zone the entire playoffs

[8Ball]

Miami played true zone the entire playoffs

Miami did zone the entire Boston series.

Be easy on him. He doesn't watch basketball games.

[Bronbron23]

In today's era, MJ would be a slightly better DeMar DeRozan.

And your a slightly better version of an idiot. Pick one anyone.

[HoopsNY]

In today's era, MJ would be a slightly better DeMar DeRozan.

Says another Bran stan whose IQ doesn't exceed 70. If MJ is a "slightly better DeRozan", then what does that make every other player that ever played the game prior to 2010?

What does that make Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Shaq, Kareem, Dr. J, Nique, Moses, Russell, Big O, etc?

This is the dichotomy of your typical Bran stan, and just about every Bran stan on this forum. They want to discredit MJ, yet fail to realize in doing so, they make the first 60 years of the league irrelevant as well. That is, of course, until they realize that their boy toy LeBron came into the league in 2003.

So magically, Bron gets to excel post 2010 (really post 2014) but no one else does? Go figure. There were no other guys playing well in 2003 that were able to do so after 2010? Or wouldn't have if their primes were post-2010? What kind of logic is this?

"Non-athletic" guys can't hang, except for Steph, Dirk, Luka, Klay, Harden, etc. It's a classic case of sheer idiocy. It's the logic that says Siakam is a lock down defender, but Gary Payton was garbage who couldn't guard the a kindergartener, let alone a player from 2020.

Why do Bran stans even discuss basketball? Just admit that the league doesn't exist before 2010 (really 2015) and call it a day. Leave basketball discussions to people who want to discuss the entire 70+ years of its existence.

[Mr. Woke]

And your a slightly better version of an idiot. Pick one anyone.

Silence pha.ggot. Get MJ's balls out of your mouth and his **** out of your ass.

[Mr. Woke]

Says another Bran stan whose IQ doesn't exceed 70. If MJ is a "slightly better DeRozan", then what does that make every other player that ever played the game prior to 2010?

What does that make Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Shaq, Kareem, Dr. J, Nique, Moses, Russell, Big O, etc?

This is the dichotomy of your typical Bran stan, and just about every Bran stan on this forum. They want to discredit MJ, yet fail to realize in doing so, they make the first 60 years of the league irrelevant as well. That is, of course, until they realize that their boy toy LeBron came into the league in 2003.

So magically, Bron gets to excel post 2010 (really post 2014) but no one else does? Go figure. There were no other guys playing well in 2003 that were able to do so after 2010? Or wouldn't have if their primes were post-2010? What kind of logic is this?

"Non-athletic" guys can't hang, except for Steph, Dirk, Luka, Klay, Harden, etc. It's a classic case of sheer idiocy. It's the logic that says Siakam is a lock down defender, but Gary Payton was garbage who couldn't guard the a kindergartener, let alone a player from 2020.

Why do Bran stans even discuss basketball? Just admit that the league doesn't exist before 2010 (really 2015) and call it a day. Leave basketball discussions to people who want to discuss the entire 70+ years of its existence.

MJ would be a slightly better version of DeMar DeRozan.

Magic would be a slightly better version of Ben Simmons (but also less athletic).

Bird would be a slightly better version of Joe Ingles.

Hakeem would be a slightly better version of Pascal Siakam.

Shaq would be a slightly better version of Andre Drummond.

Kareem would be a slightly better version of Jonas Valanciunas.

Dr. J would be a slightly better version of Harrison Barnes.

Nique would be a slightly better version of Derrick Jones Jr.

Moses would be a slightly better version of Domantas Sabonis.

Russell would be a slightly better version of Montrezl Harrell.

Big O would be a poor man's Westbrook.

Get rekd pha.ggot.

[HoopsNY]

MJ would be a slightly better version of DeMar DeRozan.

Magic would be a slightly better version of Ben Simmons (but also less athletic).

Bird would be a slightly better version of Joe Ingles.

Hakeem would be a slightly better version of Pascal Siakam.

Shaq would be a slightly better version of Andre Drummond.

Kareem would be a slightly better version of Jonas Valanciunas.

Dr. J would be a slightly better version of Harrison Barnes.

Nique would be a slightly better version of Derrick Jones Jr.

Moses would be a slightly better version of Domantas Sabonis.

Russell would be a slightly better version of Montrezl Harrell.

Big O would be a poor man's Westbrook.

Get rekd pha.ggot.

Thank you for admitting this. The league is irrelevant for 60 years by your own admission. Please tell us, why does LeBron get a pass when he came into the league in 2003?

[KirbyPls]

I see that six weeks later, LeQuatro has dem MJ fans spinning.

[Mr. Woke]

Thank you for admitting this. The league is irrelevant for 60 years by your own admission. Please tell us, why does LeBron get a pass when he came into the league in 2003?

LeBron is simply better than MJ.

[AirBonner]

MJ needed Pippen in all aspects of his life including his fling with Madonna

[Shooter]

I see that six weeks later, LeQuatro has dem MJ fans spinning.

LeQuatro gottem hurt BIG time

They thought Bron would never win after 2011

Then he raped the league :roll::roll:

[HoopsNY]

LeBron is simply better than MJ.

MJ isn't the only player to play in the first 60 years of the league. Try again.

[Mauzah]

LOL! Not aesthetic. It was the era of the big man you dumbass along with the best most aesthetic player to ever play the game.

[Mr. Woke]

MJ isn't the only player to play in the first 60 years of the league. Try again.

You try again pha.ggot.

MJ dominated in a weaker era.

[eliteballer]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fe/3a/b3/fe3ab379b9cffd8e3657c42d02184378.jpg


https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/824/304/hi-res-cccb4b0780487ed5481997b9d58a7fcc_crop_north.jpg?15 66316208&w=3072&h=2048

[2much_knowledge]

Like Duncan and Dirk struggled?

Or like Luka, Sabonis or Jokic are struggling? Lol

Vince Carter had a job in todays Nba at 42 y/o
He just retired because he wanted to..

Some of yall are plain stupid

[3ball]

Every time I check in on a game, all I see is a bunch of white guys, euros and 3-point shooters

I turned on the Dallas game and they had 5 white guys out there

The league is clearly less athletic than ever and it's just one screen roll after another - looks like a dance routine..

As for MJ in today's mickey mouse format? 50

[2much_knowledge]

Says another Bran stan whose IQ doesn't exceed 70. If MJ is a "slightly better DeRozan", then what does that make every other player that ever played the game prior to 2010?

What does that make Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Shaq, Kareem, Dr. J, Nique, Moses, Russell, Big O, etc?

This is the dichotomy of your typical Bran stan, and just about every Bran stan on this forum. They want to discredit MJ, yet fail to realize in doing so, they make the first 60 years of the league irrelevant as well. That is, of course, until they realize that their boy toy LeBron came into the league in 2003.

So magically, Bron gets to excel post 2010 (really post 2014) but no one else does? Go figure. There were no other guys playing well in 2003 that were able to do so after 2010? Or wouldn't have if their primes were post-2010? What kind of logic is this?

"Non-athletic" guys can't hang, except for Steph, Dirk, Luka, Klay, Harden, etc. It's a classic case of sheer idiocy. It's the logic that says Siakam is a lock down defender, but Gary Payton was garbage who couldn't guard the a kindergartener, let alone a player from 2020.

Why do Bran stans even discuss basketball? Just admit that the league doesn't exist before 2010 (really 2015) and call it a day. Leave basketball discussions to people who want to discuss the entire 70+ years of its existence.

Total destruction. Damn!!!!!!

[2much_knowledge]

MJ would be a slightly better version of DeMar DeRozan.

Magic would be a slightly better version of Ben Simmons (but also less athletic).

Bird would be a slightly better version of Joe Ingles.

Hakeem would be a slightly better version of Pascal Siakam.

Shaq would be a slightly better version of Andre Drummond.

Kareem would be a slightly better version of Jonas Valanciunas.

Dr. J would be a slightly better version of Harrison Barnes.

Nique would be a slightly better version of Derrick Jones Jr.

Moses would be a slightly better version of Domantas Sabonis.

Russell would be a slightly better version of Montrezl Harrell.

Big O would be a poor man's Westbrook.

Get rekd pha.ggot.

Im used to your stupid post but you have outdone yourself. Such an unusual hobby

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c52uFUu1TQ

[2much_knowledge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c52uFUu1TQ

Nice find. For the sake of Op , im glad it was a sarcastic thread

Only a grade A moron would believe that

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ersh-RMDoNo

[eliteballer]

Someone pull-up LeRoids stats against Bowen in the finals…

[999Guy]

Arguably the best player in the game today (Durant) said MJ would be the best player in the game today but let's take the wealth of knowledge of a random alt account into higher consideration

lol Imagine believing a dunce like Durant has any credibility to even say something like that.

Durant’s brute forced the same selfish play style for 15 years, and spent close to a decade playing some of the most consistently stupid ball, fitting in with generally stupid people(Brooks, Dumbrook, Donovan) for almost 10 of those years.

Got to his only smart franchise and somehow burned bridges on the way out of an impossibly perfect situation to play with a flat earth chucker who doesn’t play.


Durant is not a higher level BBIQ guy than Kyrie. Definitely not better than Kawhi mentally or physically, but take his pop opinion on the most famous chucker(however dominant) ever seriously.

Matter of fact I’m pretty sure he said Kobe was goat because how well he moved on the court once. I remember that particularly dumb Durant quote.

[Gimmedarock]

I love the argument “Jordan would average 40 today”. No he wouldn’t. He’d spend too much energy guarding quality scorers. He didn’t have to worry about anybody shooting logo threes back in the day. He didn’t face 20 + point scorers every night. He’s going to be spending a lot of energy guarding guys now. He gets 27 or 28 points in the modern game. Competition is too good bruh.

[Bronbron23]

I love the argument “Jordan would average 40 today”. No he wouldn’t. He’d spend too much energy guarding quality scorers. He didn’t have to worry about anybody shooting logo threes back in the day. He didn’t face 20 + point scorers every night. He’s going to be spending a lot of energy guarding guys now. He gets 27 or 28 points in the modern game. Competition is too good bruh.

Right and hows that going for all these amazing logo shooters now that a little bit of defense is allowed? The best shooters in the world's efficiency have plummeted like zion williamson stock.

You clearly either never watched mj or are just hater or a troll because mj is known for his insane stamina. He'd have no problem defending these guys and still be dominant offensively.

That said i agree he wouldn't score 40 a game. Not because he couldn't but just because other than a few years in the 80's in a ball dominant roll mj played within a team system.

27 or 28:oldlol:

[Airupthere]

I love the argument “Jordan would average 40 today”. No he wouldn’t. He’d spend too much energy guarding quality scorers. He didn’t have to worry about anybody shooting logo threes back in the day. He didn’t face 20 + point scorers every night. He’s going to be spending a lot of energy guarding guys now. He gets 27 or 28 points in the modern game. Competition is too good bruh.

Lol, so same as Ja Morant? He wouldnt score 40 ppg but 27ppg?

[Bronbron23]

Lol, so same as Ja Morant? He wouldnt score 40 ppg but 27ppg?

Shit imagine how many points ja would score if had mj's mid range pull up j and post game. He'd easily drop 35 a game if he wanted. That's the only thing stopping ja from being a top 5 player right now.

[2much_knowledge]

Every time i read the tittle, it makes me laugh.

Every time

[Axe]

Every time i read the tittle, it makes me laugh.

Every time
And op, who roots for kobe bryant, was the one who made this thread.

[Baller789]

And op, who roots for kobe bryant, was the one who made this thread.

So would Mike struggle individually in today's game?

[Axe]

So would Mike struggle individually in today's game?
Duh. He said he might not even last in the modern social media era, imbecile.

[Baller789]

Duh. He said he might not even last in the modern social media era, imbecile.

Nah, I wanted to know what YOU think.

[Axe]

Nah, I wanted to know what YOU think.
I believe he would.

[Baller789]

I believe he would.

Why?

[Round Mound]

:facepalm

[ImKobe]

MJ is the greatest athlete in NBA history. Even a 35 y.o Jordan was chasing Reggie off screens and shutting him down in the 4th quarter of a Game 7. He'd have better numbers in today's league, maybe on both ends. I could see a young MJ averaging 35+ a game on above 60%TS while also averaging 7+ assists & 2+ steals and blocks. Look at Ja Morant - his jump shot is nowhere near consistent and he's already one of the best players in the league because of his athleticism and his ability to finish in the paint. They'd have to change the rules because of MJ.

[Phoenix]

I love the argument “Jordan would average 40 today”. No he wouldn’t. He’d spend too much energy guarding quality scorers. He didn’t have to worry about anybody shooting logo threes back in the day. He didn’t face 20 + point scorers every night. He’s going to be spending a lot of energy guarding guys now. He gets 27 or 28 points in the modern game. Competition is too good bruh.

He wouldn't average 40 because of the futility of doing so if the goal is winning, not due to inability. MJ won chips averaging 29-33 ppg, not 35 or 37 like in the late 80s. James Harden achieved nothing averaging 36. Same for Kobe doing 35. And if you want to go back further, did dropping 50 get Wilt a chip that year?

MJ in this era on a contender is doing 33-35 on good percentages. One, hes on the line 10-11 times a night and unlike Harden, wouldn't have to go for gimmicks to draw fouls( meaning his offensive game wouldn't crater like we've seen *so far* from Harden). At 82-85% that's what, 18 points right there? The current league would force him to develop a 3 point game, and I can go low end and say he takes 6 a game and shots 33%. That's 2 a game, 6 points. So now we're up to 24. You really think he couldn't get another 8-10 points mixing up drives, catch and shoots, and the occasional foray into the post? It's not like MJ was a '3 point or layup' guy like we see with Harden. His ability to attack the defense in various parts of the floor seems to have been forgotten.

MJ scoring 40 and MJ scoring 28 are both wild end of spectrum takes, but that's how people argue now. Its one extreme or the other. The truth is somewhere in the middle of those numbers. We have this habit of thinking some of these guys numbers always reflect the apex of their scoring ability. Kevin Durant hasn't hit 30ppg since his MVP year in 2014, but do you really think he couldnt drop 35 a game in his sleep if he actually made it a goal and dependent on team personnel?

[Phoenix]

I just realized I completely fukked the math on free throws above. I was counting 1 free throw as worth 2 points instead of 1 :lol. So anyways, I figure if MJ took 10 free throws a game, he's going to hit 8 of them so that's 8 points. A couple of threes makes 6 points because I hypothesize he'd take six and I'm going to lowball his efficiency to 33%. I see no reason he wouldn't be able to generate another 20 points a night off drives, catch and shoots, and a handful of post-ups.

[Baller789]

I believe he would.

Hey Axe, what happened?

[Axe]

Hey Axe, what happened?
I raped your mom.

[SATAN]

When you factor in the impact social media would have on his mental state he's basically just a taller yet slower Westbrook with better defense. 0 chips and 5 "retirements" in the modern era.

[Baller789]

I raped your mom.
I didn't know you could rape with a micro-p3n!$. :confusedshrug:

[dankok8]

He wouldn't average 40 because of the futility of doing so if the goal is winning, not due to inability. MJ won chips averaging 29-33 ppg, not 35 or 37 like in the late 80s. James Harden achieved nothing averaging 36. Same for Kobe doing 35. And if you want to go back further, did dropping 50 get Wilt a chip that year?

MJ in this era on a contender is doing 33-35 on good percentages. One, hes on the line 10-11 times a night and unlike Harden, wouldn't have to go for gimmicks to draw fouls( meaning his offensive game wouldn't crater like we've seen *so far* from Harden). At 82-85% that's what, 18 points right there? The current league would force him to develop a 3 point game, and I can go low end and say he takes 6 a game and shots 33%. That's 2 a game, 6 points. So now we're up to 24. You really think he couldn't get another 8-10 points mixing up drives, catch and shoots, and the occasional foray into the post? It's not like MJ was a '3 point or layup' guy like we see with Harden. His ability to attack the defense in various parts of the floor seems to have been forgotten.

MJ scoring 40 and MJ scoring 28 are both wild end of spectrum takes, but that's how people argue now. Its one extreme or the other. The truth is somewhere in the middle of those numbers. We have this habit of thinking some of these guys numbers always reflect the apex of their scoring ability. Kevin Durant hasn't hit 30ppg since his MVP year in 2014, but do you really think he couldnt drop 35 a game in his sleep if he actually made it a goal and dependent on team personnel?

I agree with the premise of this post. MJ wouldn't average 40 because it isn't conducive to winning. He would average 33-35 ppg on blistering efficiency though like +10 rTS and unlike Harden from a few years back would maintain that production in the playoffs. Jordan doesn't have the 3pt bombs but his first step would get him a ton of points in the paint and free throws and from midrange he's just lethal. The higher pace with more fast breaks is also right up MJ's alley and definitely boosts his efficiency relative to the 90's IMO.

[eliteballer]

Really good quality footage of a mid 80's game you don't normally see:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-m5KRB-SpA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zchjMYe60tc

[TheGoatest]

When you factor in the impact social media would have on his mental state he's basically just a taller yet slower Westbrook with better defense. 0 chips and 5 "retirements" in the modern era.

This. Jordan admitted himself that he wouldn't last in the age of social media.

[kawhileonard2]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher



Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED



Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

[Round Mound]

It was not a good idea to have 6'6 ft players on Jordan cause he had the quickest 1st step ever. He was better guarded by guys like Dumars and Payton who are 6´2-6´3 but strong and quick lateraly. They could keep in front of MJ more often than other defenders.

[HoopsNY]

Imagine questioning MJ against this era's athletes when you have had guys like Dirk, Harden, Luka, and Jokic dominating.

[Baller789]

It was not a good idea to have 6'6 ft players on Jordan cause he had the quickest 1st step ever. He was better guarded by guys like Dumars and Payton who are 6´2-6´3 but strong and quick lateraly. They could keep in front of MJ more often than other defenders.

This is true.

But to be fair to this era, this era has a lot more the of the long and athletic wing players to guard Jordan.

Problem is, they are handicapped by the "freedom of movement" rules, so Jordan would still likely blow by them with ease.

Peak Wade wouldn't struggle with today's athletes, so why would Jordan who's bigger?

[Round Mound]

This is true.

But to be fair to this era, this era has a lot more the of the long and athletic wing players to guard Jordan.

Problem is, they are handicapped by the "freedom of movement" rules, so Jordan would still likely blow by them with ease.

Peak Wade wouldn't struggle with today's athletes, so why would Jordan who's bigger?

Agree :applause:

[Thenameless]

He would struggle against zone defenses and prolific 3 point shooters on the other side of the ball


Put him on Curry in a Finals Series, and Curry averages less than 20 a night.

[eliteballer]

The man has an active player who played against Jordan in Joe Johnson. Technically, Leroid also played with him but not in the nba.

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUo8skGvl-Q

[tontoz]

Imagine questioning MJ against this era's athletes when you have had guys like Dirk, Harden, Luka, and Jokic dominating.

Seriously with Beal about to get the supermax the era argument doesn't look good.

[Baller789]

Athlethisicm is overrated tbh.

[eliteballer]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/13/d2/a7/13d2a7fc378c8e59f31b796f18d59441.jpg


https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-yzgoj/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/1383582/4872651/apijt3mjx__43171.1627094708.jpg?c=2


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJahLeTXoAQWuOP.jpg

[julizaver]

A lot of jokes here - MJ will be world class athlete even today. When he played the defense was more tough and hand-checking still allowed. In today's game no one can guard MJ one on one. And I have no doubts that he will adapt his game in the 3pt era. Luka Doncic looks slow and unathletic, he is not among the best 3 point shooters (around 35 %), but he had the fundamentals and the footwork, had a decent mid range and he is Top 5 player in the league. So why MJ shouldn't be ?

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCIq7QMdV0c

Bobcats owner version of Jordan owning these guys:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z75YO5QGsMM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-ryutJ9baE

[Axe]

A lot of jokes here - MJ will be world class athlete even today. When he played the defense was more tough and hand-checking still allowed. In today's game no one can guard MJ one on one. And I have no doubts that he will adapt his game in the 3pt era. Luka Doncic looks slow and unathletic, he is not among the best 3 point shooters (around 35 %), but he had the fundamentals and the footwork, had a decent mid range and he is Top 5 player in the league. So why MJ shouldn't be ?
Jordan rules say otherwise.

[Bawkish]

Jordan rules say otherwise.

Did you know that Jordan Rules never really achieved it's goal?

[Axe]

Did you know that Jordan Rules never really achieved it's goal?
Probably because around 1990 the league made rule changes favoring jordan. :roll:

[kawhileonard2]

Probably because around 1990 the league made rule changes favoring jordan. :roll:

Rules didn't change until 2005.

[Axe]

If you say so, duncan21formvp. Aka jordansbulls.

[kawhileonard2]

If you say so, duncan21formvp. Aka jordansbulls.

Not sure who those people are.

http://www.hoops hype.com/articles/defense_lazenby.htm


“I think that ‘Jordan Rules’ defense, as much as anything else, played a part in the making of Michael Jordan,” said Tex Winter, who was an assistant coach for that Chicago team. The 1990 loss forced Jordan and the Bulls to find an answer to Detroit’s muscle.

“Those Jordan Rules were murder,” Winter explained. “The fact that we could win the next year even though they were playing that defense says everything about Jordan as a competitor. Any lesser player would have folded his tent.”



The unfortunate footnote to this legacy is that under an interpretation of the rules adopted by the NBA last season, if Dumars were playing today he would not be allowed to guard Jordan so physically, or perhaps even guard him at all.


In a recent interview, Thorn said that the NBA had changed the rule to give an advantage to the offensive player.

“It’s more difficult now to guard the quick wing player who can handle the ball,” Thorn said of the change. “I think it helps skilled players over someone who just has strength or toughness. What the NBA is trying to do is promote unimpeded movement for dribblers or cutters.”



“The NBA felt there was too much body, too much hand-checking, being used by defenders to the detriment of the game. There was a feeling that there was too much advantage for a defensive player who could merely use his strength to control the offensive player.”


As a result, the new rules interpretation helped promote the emergence last season of a new generation of super stars, from Kobe Bryant scoring his 81 points during a regular season game, to LeBron James, Vince Carter, Gilbert Arenas and Dwyane Wade making big splashes in the playoffs.

“The good wing players – LeBron, Kobe, Arenas, Wade, Carter – shot a lot of free throws with the way the game is now called,” Thorn admitted.



Winter acknowledges the outgrowth of the new rules interpretation is the rise of the super dominant offensive player, led by Wade’s performance in the NBA Finals and Bryant’s string of 40-, 50, even 60-point games during the regular season.

“It’s brought all these 40-point scorers,” Winter said. “They can’t score 40 points unless they get 15-20 free throws.”

And that’s exactly what they were getting on their big nights.

“They should be protected, but not that much,” Winter said of the current generation of talented offensive players. “I don’t think that just touching a player should be a foul."


Winter’s other complaint with the new officiating is that the game now allows the same old physical play in the post while turning the perimeter and wing into a no-touch zone.

I think that article sums it up nicely.

[Axe]

Always lying as usual. :oldlol:

[Bawkish]

Probably because around 1990 the league made rule changes favoring jordan. :roll:

Did you know 1992 Knicks used the same strategy?

You should thank me with all this facts im throwing at you, so that you can keep up with discussion and not just a punching bag of Full Court

[Axe]

Did you know 1992 Knicks used the same strategy?
With or without the flagrant foul on effect?


You should thank me with all this facts im throwing at you, so that you can keep up with discussion and not just a punching bag of Full Court
Oh wow, such stupid trolling. Did you know that braindead jizzrag deepthroats 3ball to the core? Now here you are doing the same thing to him.

Interesting, little fella. :kobe:

[Bawkish]

With or without the flagrant foul on effect?


Oh wow, such stupid trolling. Did you know that braindead jizzrag deepthroats 3ball to the core? Now here you are doing the same thing to him.

Interesting, little fella. :kobe:

Looks like you had names for everyone here

Such a virgin trait :lol

[Axe]

With or without the flagrant foul on effect?
Did not answer my question anymore because he got all too whiny lmao. What a massive beta incel. :oldlol:

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlcC3cuAC3o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCR7uz0a7no

[SATAN]

A lot of jokes here - MJ will be world class athlete even today. When he played the defense was more tough and hand-checking still allowed. In today's game no one can guard MJ one on one. And I have no doubts that he will adapt his game in the 3pt era. Luka Doncic looks slow and unathletic, he is not among the best 3 point shooters (around 35 %), but he had the fundamentals and the footwork, had a decent mid range and he is Top 5 player in the league. So why MJ shouldn't be ?

Because he literally said he doesn't even know how to beat a zone defense? :oldlol:

He would need Phil's coaching expertise to carry him again and that obviously isn't happening.

You want to see MJ in 2023? Here you go:

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/w_2000,h_2000,c_fit/https://pippenainteasy.com/wp-content/uploads/getty-images/2022/04/1363023244.jpeg

[nayte]

Dude I'm sure he would manage. This topic is more then silly

[Full Court]

Jordan rules say otherwise.

:roll:

What an idiot.

Still consensus GOAT. Weep it up, stink boy.




OP struggles against diabetes.

Autistic Axe is just stinky.

:lebronamazed:

[Johnny32]

Lol duh tards still post about hand checking? That's hilarious.

[Johnny32]

Rules didn't change until 2005.

Wrong again, fatboy.

The NBA's competition committee approved a rule change Sunday aimed at reducing flagrant and hard fouls, but rejected a proposal to shorten the 3-point line.

The flagrant foul rule is two-tiered.

'If something is flagrant or a foul attempting to hurt somebody, historically they have not been kicked out of the game except a very few times,' said Rod Thorn, vice president of operations for the NBA.

'Now we are going to adhere more stringently. If you make a foul where you don't have a play at the ball or you throw them on the floor, you're going to be ejected.'

A hard, but not flagrant, foul will be treated like a breakaway foul, with the opposing team being given two foul shots plus possession of the ball, Thorn said.

'Hopefully we will have fewer of these ridiculous fouls, with players not even caring whether they hurt somebody or not,' he said. 'It's just getting too rough.'

Stern told the league to plz protect lil Mikey, plz.

[Johnny32]

Wrong again, fatboy.

The NBA's competition committee approved a rule change Sunday aimed at reducing flagrant and hard fouls, but rejected a proposal to shorten the 3-point line.

The flagrant foul rule is two-tiered.

'If something is flagrant or a foul attempting to hurt somebody, historically they have not been kicked out of the game except a very few times,' said Rod Thorn, vice president of operations for the NBA.

'Now we are going to adhere more stringently. If you make a foul where you don't have a play at the ball or you throw them on the floor, you're going to be ejected.'

A hard, but not flagrant, foul will be treated like a breakaway foul, with the opposing team being given two foul shots plus possession of the ball, Thorn said.

'Hopefully we will have fewer of these ridiculous fouls, with players not even caring whether they hurt somebody or not,' he said. 'It's just getting too rough.'

Stern told the league to plz protect lil Mikey, plz.

And what happened in the first postseason with the new Jordan rules?

https://youtu.be/9EFUFmDGdnA

"Bad boys pistons shackled by new flagrant foul rules"

Embarrassment.

[FireDavidKahn]

People laugh that LeBron got swept in the Finals as a 22 year old.

Michael Jordan was getting swept in the first round as a 22 year old.

:(

[guy]

Jordan is a more skilled, more athletic, more clutch, more durable, better passer, better leadership, tougher version of Kawhi Leonard, and in many of those cases the difference is significant and last time Kawhi was relatively healthy for an entire season+playoffs, he was considered the best player in the league. So thats what Jordan would be.

[Johnny32]

Kawhi has 3 inches and at least 20 lbs on lil Mikey. He's also not a horrifically bad 3pt shooter at the current line.

[Full Court]

Kawhi has 3 inches and at least 20 lbs on lil Mikey. He's also not a horrifically bad 3pt shooter at the current line.

And yet Jordan has a higher career finals 3 pt % than Lebron does. You know, when it actually counts.

:lebroncry:

[WhiteKyrie]

Jordan is a more skilled, more athletic, more clutch, more durable, better passer, better leadership, tougher version of Kawhi Leonard, and in many of those cases the difference is significant and last time Kawhi was relatively healthy for an entire season+playoffs, he was considered the best player in the league. So thats what Jordan would be.

Bingo

[HoopsNY]

LeBron stans fuming. Jokic swept their God while not being able to jump a foot or run past their grandmothers, while bopping from side to side like a lazy fat kid in gym class. All while yelling "duRR duRR duRR" like this inbred, ingrate Johnny32.

"miKeY aint athLETiC! cANt hANg toDAY duRR duRr huRr!"

[Full Court]

Jordan would average 45 ppg in this stat inflated era.