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coastalmarker99
05-13-2020, 01:43 AM
Sports Illustrated - March 11, 1968

THE RECORD MAKERS

From time to time there are angry protests from NBA teams and players about the official scoring system in the league. It is decidedly bush, with home-town favouritism blatantly evident in the recording of individual statistics. The NBA Guide, for instance, lists 23 rebounding performances of 40 rebounds or more in a game. Just one of these records was made without the benefit of a home-town statistician. Similarly, only one of the top 36 assist marks was made on the road.

Currently, Wilt Chamberlain is leading the league in complaining about statistics, and probably with good reason. Philadelphia Statistician Harvey Pollack is one of the few well-regarded scorers in the NBA. He won't favour anyone, including Wilt, but he thinks Chamberlain probably has a valid complaint. To check for himself, Pollack decided two Sundays ago to keep his own box score as he watched the telecast of a game between the 76ers and the Hawks in St. Louis. The official statistics showed Wilkens with 13 assists and Chamberlain with four. Pollack, however, credited eight to Wilkens and nine to Chamberlain. "I knew it was coming," Pollack said, "because Chamberlain was catching Wilkens in total assists."

http://www.nba.com/encyclopedia/pollack_wilt.html I went to a Boston-Warriors game in the Boston Garden and secretly kept track of the rebounds of both Wilt and Russell. When the game ended, I went to the press table and asked what the rebound totals were for Wilt and Russell. The response: "Russell 35, Wilt 22." My response, "Well my totals are Wilt 34, Russell 21." They sat open-mouthed when I produced my evidence of the time and type of every rebound that each player had. A Sports Illustrated writer nearby heard the conversation and asked me what it was all about. I told him and the next week SI had a story about the incident. Wilt and I chuckled on reading it, but Red Auerbach didn't. For many years thereafter he didn't talk to me, but how we were reconciled is another story that doesn't concern Wilt.

coastalmarker99
05-13-2020, 01:43 AM
Sports Illustrated - April 19, 1965

THE ASSAILABLE STATISTICAL

Doubling as press agent for the 76ers basketball team and as keeper of the team scores, Philadelphia Harvey Pollack is a two-portfolio man. Life for P.R. Man Pollack is fine; his team has come far this season. But life for Statistician Pollack is agonizing. He has the feeling that he is being rebounded.

Pollack is one of those basketball buffs caught up in the game-within-a-game drama being played at the moment between Wilt Chamberlain of the 76ers and Bill Russell of the Boston Celtics. Officially—or statistically, as they say in the National Basketball Association—Russell and Chamberlain are very close in their skill at getting the ball off the backboards—1,878 to 1,673 for the season. Unofficially, statistically or otherwise, this cannot be true, says Pollack, and he hopes to prove it.

In one recent game Boston scorekeeper, Dennis Whitmarsh counted 32 rebounds for Russell, 31 for Chamberlain. Pollack, at the same game, tallied it more like 18 for Russell and 30 for Chamberlain.

The dispute over which is the better backboard man is, of course, one of those arguments without end. What concerns us is that there should be such an argument at all. The trouble probably lies in the fact that each NBA team hires its own official scorekeeper, each subject to intense home-town pressures. Even so, the wide disparity in counts should properly puzzle fans. Doesn't one simply count the rebounds and leave it at that? The figures should not be Boston statistics or Philadelphia statistics but just plain, old, correct statistics.

American sports fans have long regarded official records as unassailable—a sort of fortress of agate type to which one could retreat when all else failed. That official records should differ dismays us. As an unofficial group, that is. Statistically speaking, of course.

To have those Wilt/Russell totals totally flipped is pretty fishy. on rebounds as They either go out of bounds, or somebody grabbed it. That should be pretty clear-cut. I don't see how they could get some of the discrepancies as listed above.

I guess this shows that the Boston scorekeepers cooked Russell's stats a bit.

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coastalmarker99
05-13-2020, 01:44 AM
It does change my perception of Rusell as I'm fascinated by the rebound differential between him and Wilt. If this is true then Russell got a huge boost to his stats that has to make people look at him differently. I'm assuming those 10 block games of his didn't happen as often as people have said. I am thinking they did this as Russell was the hero of Boston. and they cant have him outplayed in Boston Garden so they did what they had to do make sure Bill looked good against Wilt.

coastalmarker99
05-13-2020, 01:45 AM
This also shows me that The NBA was fishy even before Stern how many games was Wilt screwed out of his stats or other players when they played on the road by biased scorekeepers. This makes comparisons between Wilt and Russell that much more difficult as we don't know what's true and false when Wilt and Russell played each other maybe Wilt dominated Russell even more then the stats say.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
05-13-2020, 01:59 AM
Thinking how scorekeeers could get away with that now. Pretty laughable.

Doesn't change my opinion on Wilt vs Russell at all though. Wilt lived for numbers and Russ for wins. Not that he would stop Shaq, but hearing Russell explain how he would defend him. And the variety of ways Bill talked about impacting a game.... Don't think I've heard another player talk like a scientist. Russell went into matchups dissecting the other team.

GimmeThat
05-13-2020, 02:08 AM
are you saying you think Russell beat Wilt by rebounding less, or Russell's teammates made him look good. If Russell's teammates were indeed trying to make him look good, they did a piss poor job by winning 11 championships and still having Wilt as a household name and top 10 great.

Horatio33
05-13-2020, 06:14 AM
Complained about his own personal stats. There we go, Wilt Chamberlain distilled down to his essence.

SATAN
05-13-2020, 06:21 AM
Complained about his own personal stats. There we go, Wilt Chamberlain distilled down to his essence.

GOAT shit, allegedly.