Charles Barkley vs Scottie Pippen during the 90s.

[juju151111]

Who was the better player.
90. Barkley
91.Barkley
92. Barkley
93 Barkley
94. Hard to say but Pippen was better in regular season, but Charles was better in the postseason. I would say equal
95. i would give this one to Pippen
96. Equal
97. Pippen
98 Pippen
99. Barkley

So what are these Scottie Pippen 🤔 stans talking about 2nd best player of the 90s. Yall serious :lol
Ill do david Robinson next

[Lebron23]

6/6 is better than 0/1

[juju151111]

6// is also better than 3/9. Is scottie better than Lebron? Stay off the crack pipe with your arguments bro

[Roundball_Rock]

Barkley 1990-1993
Pippen 1994-1998 (Pippen consistently beat him in all-NBA during this time, MJ revisionists)
Barkley 1999

Career: Barkley easily.

[juju151111]

Barkley 1990-1993
Pippen 1994-1998 (Pippen consistently beat him in all-NBA during this time, MJ revisionists)
Barkley 1999

Career: Barkley easily.
Pippen was better during the regular season and Barkley was way better in the playoffs. Explain 94?

[juju151111]

Barkley 1990-1993
Pippen 1994-1998 (Pippen consistently beat him in all-NBA during this time, MJ revisionists)
Barkley 1999

Career: Barkley easily.

so you going to andwer me? Pippen was better in the regular season and Barkley was better in the postseason.

[Roundball_Rock]

Pippen was better during the regular season and Barkley was way better in the playoffs. Explain 94?

Pippen got 94 all-NBA votes, Malone 68. Barkley was behind that on the 2nd team.

[juju151111]

Pippen got 94 all-NBA votes, Malone 68. Barkley was behind that on the 2nd team.

You literally didn't address what i said. We are talking who was the better player. Which means everything for that year. Pippen was better in the regular season and Charles in the postseason.

[Roundball_Rock]

You literally didn't address what i said. We are talking who was the better player. Which means everything for that year. Pippen was better in the regular season and Charles in the postseason.

Charles didn't face an all-time great defense in the playoffs. He got his numbers against Golden State. This is the problem with playoff numbers. Small samples, different opponents.

[tpols]

What happened with Pippen on the rockets?

Chuck just blows him away in every metric... that was them on the same team and a fat charles!

Pippen shot 33% in the playoffs on lower volume to barkley's 53%. He also had the series losing TO.

:biggums:

Late 90s pippen was absolutely brutal on offense.

3ball was right though, the guy is a choke artist between the "migraine game" in the 80s, '94 benching, '99 turnover, and '00 kobe cross.

[Round Mound]

Barkley 1990-1993
Pippen 1994-1998 (Pippen consistently beat him in all-NBA during this time, MJ revisionists)
Barkley 1999

Career: Barkley easily.

This. After 1993 Barkley was not the same dominant player although he could give u some flashes of what he once was. Barkley in 89-90 that´s peak Barkley

[Roundball_Rock]

This. After 1993 Barkley was not the same dominant player although he could give u some flashes of what he once was. Barkley in 89-90 that´s peak Barkley

Yup Barkley had injuries and Barkley was slightly older. When Pippen was entering his peak Barkley was exiting his peak.

What people here do is act like players are the same every year of an entire decade.

[juju151111]

Charles didn't face an all-time great defense in the playoffs. He got his numbers against Golden State. This is the problem with playoff numbers. Small samples, different opponents.
He still got his numbers and perform. Im not going to give him something he didn't do. Thwts why i got it at equal

[juju151111]

barkely never won shit,pippen had six titles,barkely sucks,bad comparsion

and Julius wouldn't of eon Shit in the nba if Moses didn't come.

[juju151111]

Yup Barkley had injuries and Barkley was slightly older. When Pippen was entering his peak Barkley was exiting his peak.

What people here do is act like players are the same every year of an entire decade.

Thats basically how i have it except 94. Pippen got outplayed on the playoffs.

[Roundball_Rock]

Pippen played an all-time great defense (remember MJ had problems with a lesser version of the same defense in 93' while Pippen was shooting 11% better against the Knicks); Barkley did not.

94' Knicks D rating: 98.2
94' Cavs D rating: 105.1

94' Rockets D rating: 101.4
94' Warriors D rating: 106.5 (who Barkley got his big numbers against 37/13/6)

[ELITEpower23]

90 to 93 was Barkley hands down, this is easy. Barkley led the Suns to 64 wins and won MVP in 93, he also took Pippen and Jordan to 6 games in the Finals, forcing Jordan to score 40 ppg for the entire Finals series. Barkley pushed the Bulls that '93 Finals series to the brink. As for 94, Pippen gained the edge probably until 98 when Barkely regained it due to Pippen's injuries. Overall it looks pretty equal in terms of year-for-year.

90, 91, 92, 93 = Sir Charles
94, 95, 96, 97 = Scottie
98 = Tie? (But probably Sir Charles)
99 = Sir Charles

Great question, OP, thanks for contributing meaningful discussion to the discussions.

[Round Mound]

Peak Barkley was better than any player not named Jordan from 89 to 93 but Pippen is underrated.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Peak Barkley was better than any player not named Jordan from 89 to 93 but Pippen is underrated.

Barkley has zero argument over Magic in 1989/1990. I feel thats a biased take by you. Why would you say that?

As far as Pippen vs Barkley I would say Pippen has the better balance of offense/defense that gives him slight edge over Barkley. Barkley was always a huge black hole defensively. Barkley offense declined in the finals the defining series of his career and that proved he's not a reliable #1 offensive scorer anyway

[GimmeThat]

makes me wonder if this was how JJ Barea outdid Lebron

[97 bulls]

I'd have to go with Pippen here. Barkleys lack of discipline and terrible defense and work ethic overshadow his talent, stats, and accolades.

[Round Mound]

Barkley has zero argument over Magic in 1989/1990. I feel thats a biased take by you. Why would you say that?

As far as Pippen vs Barkley I would say Pippen has the better balance of offense/defense that gives him slight edge over Barkley. Barkley was always a huge black hole defensively. Barkley offense declined in the finals the defining series of his career and that proved he's not a reliable #1 offensive scorer anyway

Compare the level of teamates Magic had to Barkley in 89-90. While Magic also had his team for years to get to know everyone's style of play etc.

Magic was even worst than Barkley defensively. Pippen was a better two way player but he didn´t impact the game or could take over a game on his own like Barkley could,

He declined aftero 93 cause of back problems and letting his weight go. And he was entering his 30s thats when you loose athletic ability and he needed that athletic ability cause of his height etc.

[Calvinwhell]

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[iamgine]

How Many Visits Does It Take For A Dental Implant?
I'd guess around 3-4

[goozeman]

Scottie Pippen has never in his life been better than Barkley at anything to do with a basketball except play defense, and even then Pippen's importance in that regard is greatly exaggerated. I mean... come on man. From 84-85 (rookie year) to 94-95 season, Jordan and Barkley have the highest combined WS of any two players in the league and it is not even CLOSE, with Jordan at 150 and Barkley at 140. The next closest at Stockton way back at 125. There is a gap between Jordan, Barkley and the rest of the league over that span and it is obvious to anybody who watched basketball then, especially after about 1988 once Magic and Bird started to decline. Barkley was a superstar player. Pippen, not so much.

Btw, in 1994 Barkley was dealing with back and a quadriceps injury. That's it. Regular season Barkley was just trying to stay healthy and load management. He even skipped the all-star game. Playoff Barkley put up numbers Pippen could only imagine. Look at the individual games scores. Barkley: 37.5, 52.6!, 35.1, and with the rest being respectable despite injuries. Pippen couldn't touch that. Pippens's BEST game score would have been Barkley's 4th. Pippen's second best would be virtually tied with Barkley's 6th best performance that year. It's really no comparison. Hell, Barkley even led the playoffs in steals per game. So much for the great defender Pippen. I mean, Barkley used to torture Pippen and taunt him on the court while dropping 30 plus on him. Of their top 20 performances head to head, Barkley owns 15 out of 20, and 18 out of the top 25. Is this discussion even real? So if that's Pippen's "peak," the we can safely say that Barkley was just completely on another level, when it mattered.

[AussieSteve]

From Jan 1 1990 until Jan 7 1994 Barkley was clearly on a different tier from Pippen. Barkley was alongside Magic and then Hakeem as the arguable 2nd best player in the game, while Pippen was working his way up from a fringe all star in 1990 to a consensus top 5 player by 1994.

After Barkley's back injury in 94, I see a case for Pippen over Barkley, but not really a strong one. I'd still be taking 95, 96 or 97 Barkley over any version of Pippen, assuming he is healthy.

[AussieSteve]

Barkley has zero argument over Magic in 1989/1990. I feel thats a biased take by you. Why would you say that?

By 1990, Barkley was the 2nd best player in the league. It wasn't his best statistical year (aside from his otherworldy efficiency... 25ppg on 61%efg!?), but watch any games between Philly and the Lakers at the time and he clearly comes across as the most dominant player on the court. And to get THAT Philly cast to 53 wins was an achievement. The MVP voting showed that the consensus in the media was that Barkley had the best RS.

In 1991 he was even better, but it's a shame the 2nd half of his season was interrupted by ankle and then knee injuries (and spitting on a little girl)

[Roundball_Rock]

Scottie Pippen has never in his life been better than Barkley at anything to do with a basketball

Really? So how did this happen?

All-NBA 1994-1998

1994: Pippen 1st team, Barkley 2nd
1995: Pippen 1st team, Barkley 2nd
1996: Pippen 1st team, Barkley 3rd
1997: Pippen 2nd team
1998: Pippen 3rd team

It is obvious a lot of people didn't watch back then because Pippen clearly was considered better from 1994-1998. Barkley then surpassed him for 1999 after Pippen's NBA finals back injury in 98'. (Barkley would retire early in the 00' season due to a career ending injury.)

[juju151111]

Pippen played an all-time great defense (remember MJ had problems with a lesser version of the same defense in 93' while Pippen was shooting 11% better against the Knicks); Barkley did not.

94' Knicks D rating: 98.2
94' Cavs D rating: 105.1

94' Rockets D rating: 101.4
94' Warriors D rating: 106.5 (who Barkley got his big numbers against 37/13/6)
Stop with your excuses. He did not play good in the playoffs. Pippen did not play good in the playoofs. He also sat out a shot. Idk why you brought Mj into this, but since you did. Pippen has never been better in any series from 88-98 when they both played.

Barkely performed better and thats a fact.

[juju151111]

Really? So how did this happen?

All-NBA 1994-1998

1994: Pippen 1st team, Barkley 2nd
1995: Pippen 1st team, Barkley 2nd
1996: Pippen 1st team, Barkley 3rd
1997: Pippen 2nd team
1998: Pippen 3rd team

It is obvious a lot of people didn't watch back then because Pippen clearly was considered better from 1994-1998. Barkley then surpassed him for 1999 after Pippen's NBA finals back injury in 98'. (Barkley would retire early in the 00' season due to a career ending injury.)

Barkley outplayed him in the playoffs. So 94 is a wash. Got better after Barkley back injury in 94.

[Roundball_Rock]

He was better in the 93' ECF, according to Sports Illustrated. Who was the defense they faced in that series again?

[juju151111]

He was better in the 93' ECF, according to Sports Illustrated. Who was the defense they faced in that series again?

no he was not better you clown.
MJ gamerscore 24.4 Pippen gamerscore 15.7
Thsts one of Mj best defensive series and he had higher Drtg than Pippen

Mj 32,7,6.2, 2.5 40% n 40% from 3 with bad wrist Pippen- 22.5,6.7, 4,1.7 51% n 37% from 3. Why the hell you telling me what a magazine said. So Magazines are facts now? Sit your clown �� ass down. Pippen has never been better in any year or series they played from 88-98

[RRR3]

no he was not better you clown.
MJ gamerscore 24.4 Pippen gamerscore 15.7
Thsts one of Mj best defensive series and he had higher Drtg than Pippen

Mj 32,7,6.2, 2.5 40% n 40% from 3 with bad wrist Pippen- 22.5,6.7, 4,1.7 51% n 37% from 3. Why the hell you telling me what a magazine said. So Magazines are facts now? Sit your clown �� ass down. Pippen has never been better in any year or series they played from 88-98
The thought of anyone ever outperforming your precious MJ has got you having a complete meltdown.



Yikes.

[juju151111]

The thought of anyone ever outperforming your precious MJ has got you having a complete meltdown.



Yikes.

meltdown? Tell me one thing i stated that was false?

[RRR3]

meltdown? Tell me one thing i stated that was false?
I just meant your post had quite a high level of vitriol.

[Roundball_Rock]

The thought of anyone ever outperforming your precious MJ has got you having a complete meltdown.

Yikes.

Meanwhile in the other thread they are saying Miller>Pippen and Miller>Klay, even though Klay has a better resume so far in his career by far compared to Miller at the same point.


A VERSATILE STAR LED THE BULLS TO A 4-2 ELIMINATION OF THE KNICKS, AND HE WASN'T NAMED JORDAN
JACK MCCALLUM

For the first time in Chicago's three successive marches into the NBA Finals, in fact, a Bull other than Jordan would have deserved to be named MVP in a playoff series, were such an honor awarded for a series other than the Finals.

https://vault.si.com/vault/1993/06/14/eye-of-the-storm-a-versatile-star-led-the-bulls-to-a-4-2-elimination-of-the-knicks-and-he-wasnt-named-jordan

[juju151111]

Meanwhile in the other thread they are saying Miller>Pippen and Miller>Klay, even though Klay has a better resume so far in his career by far compared to Miller at the same point.



https://vault.si.com/vault/1993/06/14/eye-of-the-storm-a-versatile-star-led-the-bulls-to-a-4-2-elimination-of-the-knicks-and-he-wasnt-named-jordan

Who are these "they". Can you quote me in that thread saying that? Ok thats a nice opinion by jack mccallum. Now do "you" have an argument.

[999Guy]

I'd have to go with Pippen here. Barkleys lack of discipline and terrible defense and work ethic overshadow his talent, stats, and accolades.
Closer to the truth than people think.

Just look at this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RU0g3Ppru4

People think BBIQ and defense is a joke. That’s a series and ultimately legacy defining play. And Charles never even got to touch the ball on it. The play of his life happened on defense.

I gotta say, I do the same shit on 2k. Disciplined defense is boring. I really commend all the players in league history who resisted selling out strategy and fundamentals for dumb gambles and bad habits like this. Mental strength.

[RRR3]

Closer to the truth than people think.

Just look at this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RU0g3Ppru4


People think BBIQ and defense is a joke. That’s a series and ultimately legacy defining play. And Charles never even got to touch the ball on it. The play of his life happened on defense.

I gotta say, I do the same shit on 2k. Disciplined defense is boring. I really commend all the players in league history who resisted selling out strategy and fundamentals for dumb gambles and bad habits like this. Mental strength.
Oh yeah I just hack for steals in video games. And I bite constantly on pump fakes.

[Round Mound]

By 1990, Barkley was the 2nd best player in the league. It wasn't his best statistical year (aside from his otherworldy efficiency... 25ppg on 61%efg!?), but watch any games between Philly and the Lakers at the time and he clearly comes across as the most dominant player on the court. And to get THAT Philly cast to 53 wins was an achievement. The MVP voting showed that the consensus in the media was that Barkley had the best RS.

In 1991 he was even better, but it's a shame the 2nd half of his season was interrupted by ankle and then knee injuries (and spitting on a little girl)

Not only was he the best player vs the Lakers that season every time they played but Phily also beat the eventual Champions BadBoy Pistons 3 out of 4 games that season and the game they lost was an overtime game in which the Pistons won by 3 points.

Charles Barkley was the 2nd best player in the game from 89-90 to 92-93 and 3rd best player from 93-94 to 94-95.

[Duncan21formvp]

Barkley was much better, won a MVP.

[AussieSteve]

Barkley was much better, won a MVP.

Won two actually.

Over peak MJ both times.

[Roundball_Rock]

Won two actually.

Over peak MJ both times.

He won 1 in 93'. In 90' Barkley actually got the most 1st place votes but lost to Magic because Magic got more total votes (MVP is on a 1st to 5th per voter basis, with a sliding scale of weight per vote).

[Round Mound]

Charles Barkley was robbed from the 1989-90 MVP. It was the biggest robbery ever for an MVP award. He won it with the Suns in 92-93 but basically because the Suns won 62 games with KJ only playing 49 games. Barkley's best season was the year he did not win the MVP in 89-90.

[Duncan21formvp]

Charles Barkley was robbed from the 1989-90 MVP. It was the biggest robbery ever for an MVP award. He won it with the Suns in 92-93 but basically because the Suns won 62 games with KJ only playing 49 games. Barkley's best season was the year he did not win the MVP in 89-90.

Not biggest robbery ever come on especially when MJ and Magic won more and had better numbers.

[Round Mound]

Not biggest robbery ever come on especially when MJ and Magic won more and had better numbers.

Compare the level of teamates Barkley had to Magic and Michael. Its a no brainer to me. Its was complete robbery because he had all the 1st place votes but his bad attitude off the court wen't against his level of play on the court so others didn't even put him in the list as MVP candidate. The Pistons lost more to the Sixers that year than to any other team and they became the champions.

[light]

Who was the better player.
90. Barkley
91.Barkley
92. Barkley
93 Barkley
94. Hard to say but Pippen was better in regular season, but Charles was better in the postseason. I would say equal
95. i would give this one to Pippen
96. Equal
97. Pippen
98 Pippen
99. Barkley

So what are these Scottie Pippen 🤔 stans talking about 2nd best player of the 90s. Yall serious :lol
Ill do david Robinson next

PERIMETER PLAYER, bro.

Robinson and Chuck were bigs.

In 1996 people felt Scottie was 2nd best overall, but that didnt last throughout the entire 90s.