How ref protected were the 90s Bulls [in depth video]

[tpols]

MJ punches reggie square in the face.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_n3ZS29keI

Miller is ejected, Jordan gets nothing.

:biggums:

[tpols]

And MJ misses the "technical" foul shot after reggie is unjustly booted.

Rasheed was somewhere yelling "BALL DONT LIE" ...:lol

[j3lademaster]

No different than today. Can you imagine Lebron getting thrown out for the Draymond instigation in the finals? If it were today, Miller gets a T for that shove already.

[tpols]

No different than today. Can you imagine Lebron getting thrown out for the Draymond instigation in the finals? If it were today, Miller gets a T for that shove already.

I dont disagree. The league generally has to protect its cash cow, but this was very overt.

[Soundwave]

Yeah it was so easy. The Pistons, Knicks never touched Jordan apparently.

Fact is star players took MORE abuse back then than players today. Today's players, wing players especially, are coddled babies.

And no the Bulls didn't get every call ... this is a clear as day massive offensive foul on Reggie Miller's part, a full one shove with both hands on Jordan, lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWNuB6zHAJ0

That basket should not have counted and that series never goes to 7 games to begin with.

[tpols]

Yeah it was so easy. The Pistons, Knicks never touched Jordan apparently.

Fact is star players took MORE abuse back then than players today. Today's players, wing players especially, are coddled babies.

And no the Bulls didn't get every call ... this is a clear as day massive offensive foul on Reggie Miller's part, a full one shove with both hands on Jordan, lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWNuB6zHAJ0

That basket should not have counted and that series never goes to 7 games to begin with.


In that case, we have to eliminate MJ's most iconic shot in '98 when he forearm tossed bryon russel out of the way before his game winner.

The fact of the matter is... back then, guys had to really hit and slam each other to get off.

My issue here is the video, which the refs reviewed, clearly shows MJ throwing an overhand straight right hand that connects with reggie's jaw... how the hell is miller kicked out?

It was blatant nepotism.

[Soundwave]

In that case, we have to eliminate MJ's most iconic shot in '98 when he forearm tossed bryon russel out of the way before his game winner.

The fact of the matter is... back then, guys had to really hit and slam each other to get off.

My issue is when the video, which the refs reviewed, clearly shows MJ clearly throwing an overhand straight right hand that connects with reggie's jaw... how the hell is he kicked out?

Jordan's was a brush off, Reggie's a full on shove with both freaking forearms.

Reggie Miller got away with a ton of sh*t so don't paint him as some angel.

80s/90s basketball was tougher than today's pu**y brand of play, that's why they let things go back then. The Bulls dished it out and they took their fair share of hits as well.

[tpols]

a brush off?

:roll:

you didnt watch the video. look @ 1:44. That was the first punch thrown.

Reggie hugged him initially, no strikes, MJ tried to mash his face in, and then he threw the first punch.

It's amazing how people can lie with the video right in front of them.

[ArbitraryWater]

No different than today. Can you imagine Lebron getting thrown out for the Draymond instigation in the finals? If it were today, Miller gets a T for that shove already.

He wouldnt have, because he wasnt one T away from suspension.

Are you dumb?

Draymond had been kicking ppl in the groin for months, so much that people started making YouTube videos about it.

MJ was on an entirely different level.

LeBron has gotten fouled on game winning attempts or 4th quarter situations in the finals without getting the call.

[Soundwave]

a brush off?

:roll:

you didnt watch the video. look @ 1:44. That was the first punch thrown.

Reggie hugged him initially, no strikes, MJ tried to mash his face in, and then he threw the first punch.

It's amazing how people can lie with the video right in front of them.

I thought you were talking about Byron Russell ... the Reggie Miller push off in 98 was far, far, far more egregious.

The fact is in FIGHTS, which are rare in the NBA to begin with, yes refs are reluctant to throw out star players because people pay a lot of f*cking money to watch those players.

Like Shaq got into tussells where he wasn't thrown out either.

But using that as a metric for anything is dumb, there's like 3 fights in the NBA total in a year if that.

[ArbitraryWater]

Jordan's was a brush off, Reggie's a full on shove with both freaking forearms.

Reggie Miller got away with a ton of sh*t so don't paint him as some angel.

80s/90s basketball was tougher than today's pu**y brand of play, that's why they let things go back then. The Bulls dished it out and they took their fair share of hits as well.


wut? he rakes across his eyes, continues holding his throat, and then punches him...

lol MJ stans different


I thought you were talking about Byron Russell ... the Reggie Miller push off in 98 was far, far, far more egregious.

The fact is in FIGHTS, which are rare in the NBA to begin with, yes refs are reluctant to throw out star players because people pay a lot of f*cking money to watch those players.

Like Shaq got into tussells where he wasn't thrown out either.

But using that as a metric for anything is dumb, there's like 3 fights in the NBA total in a year if that.

you dont have any idea what incident you are talking about right now, do you

[Smoke117]

Never was this more egregious than in the 1998 season. During his "Farwell Tour" Jordan averaged the most fta's since the 1989 season. In general, it was Jordan who was protected, though. It seemed like they would make up for it with Pippen who would get hammered and get no calls all the time.

[tpols]

The fact is in FIGHTS, which are rare in the NBA to begin with, yes refs are reluctant to throw out star players because people pay a lot of f*cking money to watch those players.


dude... reggie was the only star on the pacers. they lost that game by double digits without him.

MJ raked his face, tried to eye gouge him and threw the first punch. And yet REGGIE was the one kicked out of the game and MJ got FT's.

:biggums:

[Soundwave]

Refs don't want to throw out a star player because of a fight.

Like in that super hyped 2004 Christmas Day game between Heat-Lakers (Shaq versus Kobe for the first time), Shaq probably should've been thrown out of the game early for getting into with Bynum IIRC, but the refs were never gonna do that in a million years.

You can calm your f**king panties though, because the NBA is generally a fairly wussified sport that a fight is an extremely rare occurrence, a hockey game will have more fights than an entire NBA season.

It doesn't happen enough to mean anything.

[ArbitraryWater]

Refs don't want to throw out a star player because of a fight.

Like in that super hyped 2004 Christmas Day game between Heat-Lakers (Shaq versus Kobe for the first time), Shaq probably should've been thrown out of the game early for getting into with Bynum IIRC, but the refs were never gonna do that in a million years.

You can calm your f**king panties though, because the NBA is generally a fairly wussified sport that a fight is an extremely rare occurrence, a hockey game will have more fights than an entire NBA season.

It doesn't happen enough to mean anything.

this isnt related to this video at all, idiot

they threw a star out, the wrong one.

[ShawkFactory]

Did Jordan get thrown out when he threw at Ainge?

It’s a low key ***** move to throw at someone knowing that if they retaliate, they’ll be the ones who get in trouble. Because you’re Michael Jordan.

Like can you imagine if someone actually kicked Jordan’s ass? They’d be shunned forever. Jordan knows this and he used his status to bully sometimes.

[Soundwave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eri9mW56R6k

Like right here, even Marv Albert says it's probably going to be an ejection, lol, but the refs were never in a billion years gonna ruin a Christmas Day marquee match up like that.

[j3lademaster]

dude... reggie was the only star on the pacers. they lost that game by double digits without him.

MJ raked his face, tried to eye gouge him and threw the first punch. And yet REGGIE was the one kicked out of the game and MJ got FT's.

:biggums:Yeah Reggie’s a star but MJ was the golden boy of the league. You throw out Miller so he doesn’t instigate anything that can possibly get Michael hurt later on in the game.

[Manny98]

They let Jordan get away with murder out there and if you so much as breath on him it's an instant foul

Other superstars do get some superstar treatment but MJs was on a whole other level :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eri9mW56R6k

Like right here, even Marv Albert says it's probably going to be an ejection, lol, but the refs were never in a billion years gonna ruin a Christmas Day marquee match up like that.

are you retarded or just ignorant?

A star IS thrown out in the OP

Plus nothing happens in this clip lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Yeah Reggie’s a star but MJ was the golden boy of the league. You throw out Miller so he doesn’t instigate anything that can possibly get Michael hurt later on in the game.

that was the point of the OP.

That MJ was protected.

All of you lack some serious brain cells

[ArbitraryWater]

Did Jordan get thrown out when he threw at Ainge?

It’s a low key ***** move to throw at someone knowing that if they retaliate, they’ll be the ones who get in trouble. Because you’re Michael Jordan.

Like can you imagine if someone actually kicked Jordan’s ass? They’d be shunned forever. Jordan knows this and he used his status to bully sometimes.

disgusting person when you think about it

ew

[tpols]

Yeah Reggie’s a star but MJ was the golden boy of the league. You throw out Miller so he doesn’t instigate anything that can possibly get Michael hurt later on in the game.

that's literally the whole point of this thread you're admitting.

MJ got extreme preferential treatment in addition to his own fighting style.

:facepalm

the irony is he bitched to stern to not let detroit do that to him.

and yet he did it to others.

[Soundwave]

are you retarded or just ignorant?

A star IS thrown out in the OP

Plus nothing happens in this clip lol

You can loosen your tight panties and pearl clutching from your phony outrage.

NBA fights happen so rarely that it doesn't mean sh*t. Shaq has done other stuff too and not gotten thrown out of games.

It's not a big deal.

Reggie Miller getting away with a massive push off to win a playoff game in 98 is the only reason the Pacers went 7 games with the Bulls, that actually had real consequences.

[ArbitraryWater]

You can loosen your tight panties and pearl clutching from your phony outrage.

NBA fights happen so rarely that it doesn't show sh*t. Shaq has done other stuff too and not gotten thrown out of games.

It's not a big deal.

https://i.gyazo.com/29b73f7f917dd6a9efb58c017fa4df4a.png

[j3lademaster]

that's literally the whole point of this thread you're admitting.

MJ got extreme preferential treatment in addition to his own fighting style.
L
:facepalm

the irony is he bitched to stern to not let detroit do that to him.

and yet he did it to others.
Well I’m replying with what you were saying. You said reggies the lone pacers star so wouldn’t it make sense to keep him in? And I replied ‘no’ solely based on the fact that mj is just that much bigger of a star, you can’t risk this escalating later on in the game because MJ can get hurt.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

disgusting person when you think about it

ew

Lebron does the same thing, dumbass :lol

Why are you acting surprised?

[tpols]

You can loosen your tight panties and pearl clutching from your phony outrage.

NBA fights happen so rarely that it doesn't mean sh*t. Shaq has done other stuff too and not gotten thrown out of games.

It's not a big deal.

Reggie Miller getting away with a massive push off to win a playoff game in 98 is the only reason the Pacers went 7 games with the Bulls, that actually had real consequences.

Im sure shaq has done stuff worthy of being thrown out that he wasnt thrown out for.

I dont think you can show me a single clip of that though where he wasnt thrown out, and the opponent was.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebron does the same thing, dumbass :lol

Why are you acting surprised?

really?

we are talking about physically confronting players here. talking shit straight to em, arms, elbows, punches...

you sure you dont wanna retract your comment?

think twice before that diarrhea leaves your mouf

[j3lademaster]

They let Jordan get away with murder out there and if you so much as breath on him it's an instant foul

Other superstars do get some superstar treatment but MJs was on a whole other level :oldlol:if that were true Reggie would have been called for the shove that started this whole thing. MJ got preferential treatment when it came down to who to throw out if a fight breaks out... as any other iconic superstar would, but during the flow of the game he got hit like everyone else.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

really?

we are talking about physically confronting players here. talking shit straight to em, arms, elbows, punches...

you sure you dont wanna retract your comment?

think twice before that diarrhea leaves your mouf

Yeah really.

Pull your head out of your ass and see things for what they are.

Star treatment happens everywhere. And is 'abused' in ALL sports.

[tpols]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eri9mW56R6k

Like right here, even Marv Albert says it's probably going to be an ejection, lol, but the refs were never in a billion years gonna ruin a Christmas Day marquee match up like that.

how pathetic is that?

a vet champ Shaq throwing a punch at a rookie bynum because the young, disinterested fella hit him with a fake pivot two handed dunk in the post.

And they didn't eject Shaq? :roll:

I feel like you guys are helping make the point.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yeah really.

Pull your head out of your ass and see things for what they are.

Star treatment happens everywhere. And is 'abused' in ALL sports.

You have absolutely no clue what conversation you jumped into, do you?

You look like an absolute idiot right now.

This was never about star treatment.

This was about shamelessly using preferential treatment in physical confrontations to the point of hurting another player.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You have absolutely no clue what conversation you jumped into, do you?

You look like an absolute idiot right now.

This was never about star treatment.

This was about shamelessly using preferential treatment in physical confrontations to the point of hurting another player.

No shit. Which is a form of star treatment, you dumb animal.

Why do you struggle with simple concepts? Probably the same reason you 'take it to the rock' :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

No shit. Which is a form of star treatment, you dumb animal.

Why do you struggle with simple concepts? Probably the same reason you 'take it to the rock' :oldlol:

and we didn't equate it to any other forms, you dumb animal.

If its a form of star treatment, ergo a different form, then why would you say:


Lebron does the same thing

you don't "do" star treatment.

How could you possibly lack such basic sense?

This is basically you:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/MenacingEssentialAmberpenshell-size_restricted.gif

[ImKobe]

Bulls were so protected by the refs that Miller got away with blatantly pushing off on MJ to win a critical Playoff game.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

and we didn't equate it to any other forms, you dumb animal.

If its a form of star treatment, ergo a different form, then why would you say:

you don't "do" star treatment.

How could you possibly lack such basic sense?

This is basically you:

You cant "do" preferential treatment either, goofy.

I'm talking about confronting a player KNOWING you wont be thrown out. :oldlol: @ this idiot reaching for the stars. I get that you're desperate for a talking point, but this happens all the time. Stars beefing with weaker players and KNOWING they wont be ejected isn't new. That's exactly what Jordan did here. And what other stars in different sports do now.

Me having to explain this is why you bang rocks in your spare time.