2016 Cleveland Cavaliers vs. 1997-98 Utah Jazz

[Lebron23]

Who wins in a best of 7 series??

[Duncan21formvp]

Jazz. Jazz beat Hakeem/Barkley/Drexler and then Me/Robinson and then Shaq/Kobe/Van Exel/Jones.

Cavs would have gotten smoked. Hell Lebron lost to every good big man in his era in Dwight, Dirk, Duncan, Garnett even 3 of them with HCA.

[Lebron23]

Jazz. Jazz beat Hakeem/Barkley/Drexler and then Me/Robinson and then Shaq/Kobe/Van Exel/Jones.

Cavs would have gotten smoked. Hell Lebron lost to every good big man in his era in Dwight, Dirk, Duncan, Garnett even 3 of them with HCA.

Cavs likely destroy them. They beat a 73 wins team something jordan failed to do.

[Axe]

Cavs likely destroy them. They beat a 73 wins team something jordan failed to do.
Rofl how do you expect jordan to beat that kind of team when he's virtually in a similar team 24 years ago? By beating themselves? :oldlol:

The lack of common sense in the statement just makes me laugh hard.

[Lebron23]

Rofl how do you expect jordan to beat that kind of team when he's virtually in a similar team 24 years ago? By beating themselves? :oldlol:

The lack of common sense in the statement just makes me laugh hard.

Cavs would also beat the 1996 bulls.

[Axe]

Cavs would also beat the 1996 bulls.
Chill i never asked

[Duncan21formvp]

Cavs likely destroy them. They beat a 73 wins team something jordan failed to do.

He can't even beat Dwight Howard with HCA. Hell pretty easy to beat a 73 win team getting a marquee guy suspended. How come he couldn't beat Dirk or Dwight with HCA?

[Lebron23]

He can't even beat Dwight Howard with HCA. Hell pretty easy to beat a 73 win team getting a marquee guy suspended. How come he couldn't beat Dirk or Dwight with HCA?

Lebron, love and irving are better than Malone, hornacek and stockton. Even jr smith averaged more points than hornacek

[Duncan21formvp]

Lebron, love and irving are better than Malone, hornacek and stockton. Even jr smith averaged more points than hornacek

So are Hakeem/Barkely/Drexler, Robinson/Duncan, Shaq/Kobe/Van Exel/Jones and they all got smoked by Malone, Stockton and Horny.

How come he couldn't beat Dirk or Dwight with HCA?

[Roundball_Rock]

Cavs easily. The Cavs beat a 73 win team with Curry, Thompson, Green and Iggy. That is tougher than Malone and a Stockton scored 9.7 and a Hornacek scoring 10.7 PPG. Utah has no 4th or 5th player comparable to Green and Iggy.

The Jazz averaged only 80 points in the series, with 25 of those coming from Malone. That won't cut it against any finals opponent, 98' Bulls or 16' Cavs.


So are Hakeem/Barkely/Drexler, Robinson/Duncan, Shaq/Kobe/Van Exel/Jones and they all got smoked by Malone, Stockton and Horny

The Jazz never got to the finals when Hakeem, Barkley, Drexler, Magic were around and in their primes, though. Duncan was a rookie in 98'. When Jordan retired the second time, it was the Spurs, not the Jazz winning it all.

[Axe]

If the cavs led by bran are poised to win multiple championships in a row, then they better have a good coach not named tyronn lue.

[Duncan21formvp]

Cavs easily. The Cavs beat a 73 win team with Curry, Thompson, Green and Iggy. That is tougher than Malone and a Stockton scored 9.7 and a Hornacek scoring 10.7 PPG. Utah has no 4th or 5th player comparable to Green and Iggy.

The Jazz averaged only 80 points in the series, with 25 of those coming from Malone. That won't cut it against any finals opponent, 98' Bulls or 16' Cavs.



The Jazz never got to the finals when Hakeem, Barkley, Drexler, Magic were around and in their primes, though. Duncan was a rookie in 98'. When Jordan retired the second time, it was the Spurs, not the Jazz winning it all.

Jazz beat Shaq/Kobe/Jones/Van Exel as well as Duncan/Robinson, Hakeem/Barkely/Drexler. Lebron couldn't even beat teams with Dirk or Dwight as the lead guy. Also Cavs gone if 5 if Green not suspended. Hell they went 6 vs Demar and Lowry in the East. They would get smoked by the Jazz. We already seen how Lebron struggles vs Dwight and this even old Duncan.

[Lebron23]

Jazz beat Shaq/Kobe/Jones/Van Exel as well as Duncan/Robinson, Hakeem/Barkely/Drexler. Lebron couldn't even beat teams with Dirk or Dwight as the lead guy. Also Cavs gone if 5 if Green not suspended. Hell they went 6 vs Demar and Lowry in the East. They would get smoked by the Jazz. We already seen how Lebron struggles vs Dwight and this even old Duncan.

Struggled?? He averaged 39 ppg vs Dwight, and 27 ppg and 29 ppg vs Team Duncan in 2013 and 2014 nba finals.

[Lebron23]

Let's face it the Cavs were a more talented team than the 1998 Jazz. And they were defeated by the 1999 Blazers in the playoffs. They won' t even be a top 5 teams in the West this year.

[Overdrive]

It's like you guys just found out Jordan and his opponents existed.

The Cavs would easily win in 2016, but we don't know how they'd play in '98. We don't know how those drive and kick, PNR heavy, teams, who severely base their success of having role players who can shoot 8 spots down the line up would fare if the defense would have to stay honest to the Korvers and Jrs.

[Duncan21formvp]

Let's face it the Cavs were a more talented team than the 1998 Jazz. And they were defeated by the 1999 Blazers in the playoffs.

Miami in 2011 was much better than the 2011 Mavs and were defeated. 2004 Lakers were much better than the 2004 Pistons and were defeated.

[Lebron23]

Miami in 2011 was much better than the 2011 Mavs and were defeated. 2004 Lakers were much better than the 2004 Pistons and were defeated.

Dallas was the better team they defeated the lakers and okc thunder. Lebron would posterize Karl Malone kyrie would break stockton's ankle, and jr smith would take hornacek to school.

[Duncan21formvp]

Dallas was the better team they defeated the lakers and okc thunder. Lebron would posterize Karl Malone kyrie would break stockton's ankle, and jr smith would take hornacek to school.

You making **** up now. Lebron couldn't even beat Dwight Howard or Dirk Nowitzki both of which were considered soft until they beat Lebron. He also lost and got outplayed by Jason Terry with HCA.

[Roundball_Rock]

Jazz beat Shaq/Kobe/Jones/Van Exel as well as Duncan/Robinson, Hakeem/Barkely/Drexler. Lebron couldn't even beat teams with Dirk or Dwight as the lead guy. Also Cavs gone if 5 if Green not suspended. Hell they went 6 vs Demar and Lowry in the East. They would get smoked by the Jazz. We already seen how Lebron struggles vs Dwight and this even old Duncan.

You are throwing a lot out there. :oldlol: Let's look at one as a case study.

2009 Magic in the ECF: Howard 26/13/3, Lewis 18/6/1, Turkoglu 17/6/7, Pietrus 14/3/1, Alston 13/3/4

1998 Lakers in the WCF: Shaq 32/9/1, Jones 15/4/3, Kobe 10/2/1, Fox 10/4/3, Van Exel 9/2/4

Jones shot 41%, Kobe 37%, Fox 41%, Van Exel 24%, Fisher 35%, Horry 36%, Campbell 21%.

The Magic showed up, the Lakers choked outside of Shaq.

If you have a complete meltdown like this then sure 9 PPG from Hornacek and 12 PPG from Stockton will be enough but the 2016 Cavs aren't the 1998 Lakers.

[Duncan21formvp]

You are throwing a lot out there. :oldlol: Let's look at one as a case study.

2009 Magic in the ECF: Howard 26/13/3, Lewis 18/6/1, Turkoglu 17/6/7, Pietrus 14/3/1, Alston 13/3/4

1998 Lakers in the WCF: Shaq 32/9/1, Jones 15/4/3, Kobe 10/2/1, Fox 10/4/3, Van Exel 9/2/4

Jones shot 41%, Kobe 37%, Fox 41%, Van Exel 24%, Fisher 35%, Horry 36%, Campbell 21%.

The Magic showed up, the Lakers choked outside of Shaq.

If you have a complete meltdown like this then sure 9 PPG from Hornacek and 12 PPG from Stockton will be enough but the 2016 Cavs aren't the 1998 Lakers.

You right because loses to elite big such as Dwight, Dirk, Garnett, Duncan. Just imagine a prime Shaq to this list as well. scary.

[Axe]

Dallas was the better team they defeated the lakers and okc thunder. Lebron would posterize Karl Malone kyrie would break stockton's ankle, and jr smith would take hornacek to school.
Heat were heavily favored to win the title during the first season of the triumvirate era

[Lebron23]

Heat were heavily favored during the first season of the triumvirate era

They lacked depth. And lebron was under utilised by spo. In 2012 they added some shooters and shane battier, mike miller and birdman. And lebron became the focal point again of their offense.

[Axe]

They lacked depth. And lebron was under utilised by spo. In 2012 they added some shooters and shane battier, mike miller and birdman. And lebron became the focal point again of their offense.
Could we blame Spoelstra's management as well? 🤔

[Duncan21formvp]

They lacked depth. And lebron was under utilised by spo. In 2012 they added some shooters and shane battier, mike miller and birdman. And lebron became the focal point again of their offense.

2012 Derrick Rose had ACL injury which saved Lebron.

[Lebron23]

Could we blame Spoelstra's management as well? ��

It also lebron's fault for mentally folding in the finals.

[Gimmedarock]

After watching most of Bulls / Jazz game 6 on ESPN tonight, I’d favor most current teams against the Jazz. I’d favor a lot against the Bulls. Deep in the 3rd quarter and both teams are in the 50’s? Cavs stomp both teams.

[tpols]

'98 jazz swept prime shaq and all star lakers in the WCF's.

They would run a train on clevelands piss poor defense, specifically karl malone would man handle kevin love, and john stockton would not be outplayed by kyrie.

[Lebron23]

'98 jazz swept prime shaq and all star lakers in the WCF's.

They would run a train on clevelands piss poor defense, specifically karl malone would man handle kevin love, and john stockton would not be outplayed by kyrie.

Cavaliers shutdown the Warriors defensively in the 2016 nba finals. Warriors averaged 112 points in the regular season, and they averaged under 100 points in their 3 losses. By the way Shaq was the only deserving all star for the 1998 Lakers. His 3 all star teammates went MIA in the playoffs. Cavs would be draining 3 pointers against the Jazz in a best of 7 series.

[ArbitraryWater]

Cavs likely destroy them. They beat a 73 wins team something jordan failed to do.

What was the point of this thread?

You're just creating trouble for yourself.

You can only lose from this thread.

[Axe]

After watching most of Bulls / Jazz game 6 on ESPN tonight, I’d favor most current teams against the Jazz. I’d favor a lot against the Bulls. Deep in the 3rd quarter and both teams are in the 50’s? Cavs stomp both teams.
Who cares?

And besides, a lot of people here already know that you despise those bulls. So your opinion about them is only going to be obvious regardless.

[Gimmedarock]

I don’t despise the Bulls at all. I’m just going by what I see. I can’t imagine comparing a loaded Cavs team to a Jazz team with one player who could get 25 points playing in the post, and two guards who could chip in with 16 points a piece. Someone in another thread said this was an old Jazz team so I’m not seeing them at their best. I can’t argue that since I haven’t watched much of the team. By today’s standards, they don’t look very impressive. No hate at all.

[Hey Yo]

'98 jazz swept prime shaq and all star lakers in the WCF's.

They would run a train on clevelands piss poor defense, specifically karl malone would man handle kevin love, and john stockton would not be outplayed by kyrie.
:oldlol::oldlol::oldlol:

Extremely dumb take.

[Roundball_Rock]

:oldlol::oldlol::oldlol:

Extremely dumb take.

Kyrie couldn't outplay 9.7 PPG? :roll:

[Wally450]

He can't even beat Dwight Howard with HCA. Hell pretty easy to beat a 73 win team getting a marquee guy suspended. How come he couldn't beat Dirk or Dwight with HCA?

How come with that marquee guy back for games 6 and 7, they couldn’t get the job done? That marquee player also dropped 32 points in game 7. How many did the unanimous MVP score that game?

[ELITEpower23]

No team in history could best the 2016 Cavs. Not even the 73 win Warriors. They were just ON ONE

[Axe]

No team in history could best the 2016 Cavs. Not even the 73 win Warriors. They were just ON ONE
The cavs were very lucky to not succumb to that 3-1 deficit, unlike in the succeeding finals.