LBJ only took 21.8 shots to get 30 in 2012, and only 23.2 to get 34 in 2018

[Rico2016]

I apologize in advance to MJ stans.

MJ took 26 fga per game in 1997. Geeze. Think aboit that for on second. He took 26 shots to get 31.1 points. By comparison, LeBron took 21.8 shots to get 30 in 2012. Additionally, in 2018 LBJ took 23.2 to get 34, while MJ took 26 to get 31.

[SATAN]

LeEfficient

[ImKobe]

Jordan got to 30 multiple times with ~22 FGA. It's much easier to score in this era, so I'm not sure why we're comparing number to number like they played under the same rules and against the same defenses. Jordan was mainly a jump shooter in the 2nd half of his career, of course he'd take more shots, but he's also harder to guard as a result.

[LostCause]

I apologize in advance to MJ stans.

MJ took 26 fga per game in 1997. Geeze. Think aboit that for on second. He took 26 shots to get 31.1 points. By comparison, LeBron took 21.8 shots to get 30 in 2012. Additionally, in 2018 LBJ took 23.2 to get 34, while MJ took 26 to get 31.

But 15 LeBron took 27 shots to get to 30

[Roundball_Rock]

It's much easier to score in this era, so I'm not sure why we're comparing number to number like they played under the same rules and against the same defenses.

Is it? I see MJ stans all the time compare numbers for a 90's players (if they played for one team) with 10's players and mysteriously never hear a word about tougher defenses and rules in any of those threads. Which is it?

Personally I agree that it is easier to score today. That said, LeBron is an efficiency freak. What he did in his prime in Miami as a perimeter player probably was unrivaled in terms of that high a FG % while taking three pointers as well.

[StrongLurk]

Can we ban OP please?

[Vino24]

Ricoooo

[Doranku]

Bran got the broom treatment in 2018. Who gives a **** about his numbers? :lol

[3ball]

I apologize in advance to MJ stans.

MJ took 26 fga per game in 1997. Geeze. Think aboit that for on second. He took 26 shots to get 31.1 points. By comparison, LeBron took 21.8 shots to get 30 in 2012. Additionally, in 2018 LBJ took 23.2 to get 34, while MJ took 26 to get 31.

Regarding 2012 - it's easier to be efficient when a teammate (Wade) is taking nearly as many shots and sharing the load.. when he didn't have that (2015), he was forced to take MJ volume, where his efficiency plummetted.

Regarding 2018 - his fga and usage weren't high enough to win - he needed jordan's 93' usage to win, but he wasn't willing to undertake such a big load - lebron lost 4th quarter leads in Games 1 and 3, so just a tad higher usage (using 1 or 2 more possessions) would've won those games... But lebron was already spent and operating at max capacity - he isn't capable of peak MJ volume, let alone efficiently.

[Vino24]

MJ was good but he never had to shoulder the burden of doing everything like LeBron

[3ball]

MJ was good but he never had to shoulder the burden of doing everything like LeBron

Scoring 20 more than your sidekick is a bigger load than leading your teammates by a couple assists and rebounds

aka - completely carrying the scoring load is a bigger load than sharing the scoring load and leading rebs/assists by tiny margins

Ultimately, 34/6/6 is "doing everything" more than lebron's 29/10/7

[RogueBorg]

18-31

[Turbo Slayer]

18-31 LOL. It doesnt has any merit at all. But continue hating on LeBron dumba$$.

[RogueBorg]

But 15 LeBron took 27 shots to get to 30

So it ain't so

[RogueBorg]

LOL. It doesnt has any merit at all. But continue hating on LeBron dumba$$.

And this topic wasn't started with hate in mind?

[r0drig0lac]

LeSoftEra

[ELITEpower23]

But 15 LeBron took 27 shots to get to 30

Ah, yes. The MJ special. 26 to score 30.

[ELITEpower23]

MJ was good but he never had to shoulder the burden of doing everything like LeBron

MJ had 1 for 7 burden

1. Scoring = burden
2. Rebounding = no burden
3. Passing = no burden
4. Steals = no burden
5. Blocks = no bursen
6. Defense = no burden
7. Leadership = no burden

[3ball]

Lebron's usage deficit meant that MJ used about 3 more possessions per game, at higher efficiency per possession (118 ortg to 116)

Wouldn't lebron win a lot more close games if he was using an extra 3 possessions a game at better efficiency?.. many games are decided by 1 possession and MJ was using 3 more possessions at higher efficiency

That's why mj is goat - he used more possessions at better efficiency than any wing ever.. and btw, there's many spots where MJ's usage was 10 points higher, which would mean he used about 20 more possessions

[AirBonner]

MJ had 1 for 7 burden

1. Scoring = burden
2. Rebounding = no burden
3. Passing = no burden
4. Steals = no burden
5. Blocks = no bursen
6. Defense = no burden
7. Leadership = no burden

Bingo