Beating 3 allstars while being the sole allstar on your team

[AirBonner]

Goat shit. What happened when MJ Had similar circumstances?

[Soundwave]

Draymond Green is a phony ass All-Star. You shouldn't be making All-Star teams when you're averaging like 14 ppg and no double figures in rebounds or assists either.

The only reason Kyrie didn't make the All-Star team that year is because he was injured for a stretch in the regular season. Otherwise he is an All-Star caliber player.

LeBron compared to Curry
Kyrie compared to Klay
Love compared to Draymond

Is not a one sided match up, that should be pretty damn even. I don't care what regular season records say, they're not the be all end all, if that was the case than this Warriors team is better than the 2 years they had Durant, which obviously is not even remotely true.

[MoneyMitch23]

Mike won 2 rings without an All Star using this context. 1991 and 1998. Beating teams with multiple All Stars. So, no biggie.

[AirBonner]

Draymond Green is a phony ass All-Star. You shouldn't be making All-Star teams when you're averaging like 15 ppg.

The only reason Kyrie didn't make it that year is because he was injured.

LeBron compared to Curry
Kyrie compared to Klay
Love compared to Draymond

Is not a one sided match up, that should be pretty damn even. I don't care what regular season records say, they're not the be all end all, if that was the case than this Warriors team is better than the 2 years they had Durant, which obviously is not even remotely true.
Best player on the warriors in the finals, would have won fmvp if Curry showed up

[Soundwave]

Best player on the warriors in the finals, would have won fmvp if Curry showed up

Kyrie Irving was the 2nd best player in that Finals. Draymond's stupid ass cost them the series so he went crying to Durant.

[AirBonner]

Mike won 2 rings without an All Star using this context. 1991 and 1998. Beating teams with multiple All Stars. So, no biggie.

3 tho?

[scuzzy]

yes he did

[AirBonner]

Kyrie Irving was the 2nd best player in that Finals. Draymond's stupid ass cost them the series so he went crying to Durant.

Curry was averaging 30ppg in the playoffs till he met LeBron

[MoneyMitch23]

3 tho?

No 2. And he did it TWICE.

So once vs 3 ... or TWICE vs 2.

[Roundball_Rock]

Why does every player boil down to the content of their PPG to MJ fans? :oldlol:

Green was 14/10/7 that season with 1.5 steals and 1.4 blocks. That is a lot of production on the stat sheet and then you have his elite defense on top of it. Green probably was their best player in the finals.

2016 Finals (Warriors)

Curry 23/5/4 on 40%
Klay 20/3/2 on 43%
Green 17/10/6 on 49%

He was the only Warrior who decided to show up for Game 7.

[Soundwave]

Curry was averaging 30ppg in the playoffs till he met LeBron

Yes and? LeBron wasn't even defending Curry most of the time.

I said Kyrie Irving was the 2nd best player in that Finals, and he was.

There's really nothing one sided about LeBron + Kyrie + Love versus Curry + Klay + Draymond. That should be a fairly even series.

Now once the Warriors added Durant ... the Cavs had no prayer on paper and that showed on the court.

The Warriors damn near also lost to the OKC Thunder that year, needing a miracle to win that series ... they were regular season phonies. A 70+ win team is not supposed to get bodied like in that Conference Finals.

[Jordan96]

Yes and? LeBron wasn't even defending Curry most of the time.

I said Kyrie Irving was the 2nd best player in that Finals, and he was.

There's really nothing one sided about LeBron + Kyrie + Love versus Curry + Klay + Draymond. That should be a fairly even series.

Now once the Warriors added Durant ... the Cavs had no prayer on paper and that showed on the court.

The Warriors damn near also lost to the OKC Thunder that year, needing a miracle to win that series ... they were regular season phonies. A 70+ win team is not supposed to get bodied like in that Conference Finals.


Love averaged 8ppg on 37% and missed a game in the series, he was a net negative


So it was Kyrie + LeBron vs Curry, Dray, Klay, Iggy

So if Kyrie and Klay cancel each other out, then it’s LeBron vs Curry, Dray, and Iggy



You’re literally saying it’s not lopsided when LeBron literally has to match Curry, Dray, and Iggys production on the other team :oldlol:

[Soundwave]

Why does every player boil down to the content of their PPG to MJ fans? :oldlol:

Green was 14/10/7 that season with 1.5 steals and 1.4 blocks. That is a lot of production on the stat sheet and then you have his elite defense on top of it. Green probably was their best player in the finals.

2016 Finals (Warriors)

Curry 23/5/4 on 40%
Klay 20/3/2 on 43%
Green 17/10/6 on 49%

He was the only Warrior who decided to show up for Game 7.

The point is almost no player makes the All-Star team as a 14 ppg, sub 10 rpg, sub 10 apg in the NBA. It pretty much never happens. Kyrie Irving has made the All-Star team multiple times it was just happened that regular season he didn't make it because he missed about 30 games due to injury.

So the 1 All-Star versus 3 is a stupid comparison when you break it down. It's a misleading used car salesman type of point.

On paper

LeBron to Curry
Irving to Klay
Love to Draymond

Should be a close, competetive series, and that's basically what it was. When the math changes to

Durant to LeBron
Curry to Irving
Klay to Love
Draymond to Smith

That's when the Cavs rightfully had no chance. And sure enough that showed itself on the court.

[Phoenix]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/De4N-RRUEAAqXU1.jpg

[PoutinPippin]

The point is almost no player makes the All-Star team as a 14 ppg, sub 10 rpg, sub 10 apg in the NBA. It pretty much never happens. Kyrie Irving has made the All-Star team multiple times it was just happened that regular season he didn't make it because he missed about 30 games due to injury.

So the 1 All-Star versus 3 is a stupid comparison when you break it down. It's a misleading used car salesman type of point.

On paper

LeBron to Curry
Irving to Klay
Love to Draymond

Should be a close, competetive series, and that's basically what it was. When the math changes to

Durant to LeBron
Curry to Irving
Klay to Love
Draymond to Smith

That's when the Cavs rightfully had no chance. And sure enough that showed itself on the court.
Bingo.

LeBron wasn’t enough to slow down his contemporary and next best player defensively or out produce offensively significantly enough, at his OWN position no less ... nor was he enough to off set just one more All Star player. And one at that is on the weaker end of “All Stars” in Draymond Green. There goes any credibility to a GOAT argument. It wasn’t like 2017 was lopsided from a talent perspective.

And yes Kyrie was EASILY the second best player in the 2016 Finals series. Easily. Dominated Curry, sodomized Klay on defense. Best half court scorer against set defense in that entire series. His game 3, was killer. He can turn momentum with his devastating and embarrassing play style. He gave Cleveland their confidence and momentum in the series.

[Roundball_Rock]

Love averaged 8ppg on 37% and missed a game in the series, he was a net negative

I forgot he was that bad. Damn.

All-NBA Teams for GS/CLE Cast Members

Irving 2
Love 2
Green 2
Klay 2
Iggy 0

Why do people act like Green is this scrub? You can help a team without scoring for yourself:

VORP of GS/CLE Cast Members in 2016

Green 5.3
Klay 2.5
Iggy 1.4
Love 3.3
Irving 1.8

BPM of GS/CLE Cast Members in 2016

Green 5.5
Klay 1.8
Iggy 1.1
Love 3.3
Irving 2.3

Those boards, assists, defense add up and he was scoring 14 as a third option. Love averaged 16 for the Cavs as a comparison. In the playoffs Green (slightly) outscored him.

[AirBonner]

I don’t know who was worse, Hornacek or love

[Soundwave]

Love like Wade and Bosh just never fit in well with LeBron ball but it's not like he was some scrub player, those kinds of things are the result of the ball dominant system LeBron insists on playing. Some players just cannot find their game in that system, but Love is a guy who was an All Star tier player himself prior to that and was still in his 20s.

The coaching staff needed to push a system that allowed Love to play more to his strengths, but it's LeBron and no coach tells LeBron how to play, there's one system and that's it.

[PoutinPippin]

Love like Wade and Bosh just never fit in well with LeBron ball but it's not like he was some scrub player, those kinds of things are the result of the ball dominant system LeBron insists on playing.

Ding, ding

[AirBonner]

Love like Wade and Bosh just never fit in well with LeBron ball but it's not like he was some scrub player, those kinds of things are the result of the ball dominant system LeBron insists on playing. Some players just cannot find their game in that system, but Love is a guy who was an All Star tier player himself prior to that and was still in his 20s.
Wade and Bron meshed fine until Wades athleticism fell off a cliff

[LostCause]

Goat shit. What happened when MJ Had similar circumstances?

He beat the Cavs both times actually

[Soundwave]

Wade and Bron meshed fine until Wades athleticism fell off a cliff

Not really, they looked good at times just off sheer talent, but you never really got the sense of "wow, what a great team!" from that group ever. Talent level sure, but you never really felt like they were the 80s Lakers, Celtics, or 90s Bulls type of squad, probably not even like the 2000s Lakers. Before for Shaq and Kobe wanted to kill each other they did have a stretch there where they had a real team identity.

That system was not really well suited for Wade, but changing the system is a non discussion with LeBron (at least pre age-35, now I think he realizes he needs to be more flexible because he's not young anymore).

[Soundwave]

He beat the Cavs both times actually

lol, good catch on that too ... that's actually pretty funny.

[AirBonner]

Not really, they looked good at times just off sheer talent, but you never really got the sense of "wow, what a great team!" from that group ever. Talent level sure, but you never really felt like they were the 80s Lakers, Celtics, or 90s Bulls type of squad, probably not even like the 2000s Lakers. Before for Shaq and Kobe wanted to kill each other they did have a stretch there where they had a real team identity.

That system was not really well suited for Wade, but changing the system is a non discussion with LeBron (at least pre age-35, now I think he realizes he needs to be more flexible because he's not young anymore).
There was a point when they won like 30 games in a row

[3ball]

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Sidekick stats while beating #1 SRS and 3 all-stars (as the only all-star)


Kyrie... vs 16' Dubs.... 27 on 46%... locked down league MVP
Pippen vs 89' Cavs.... 15 on 40%... destroyed by Nance


MJ did more with less

[Soundwave]

There was a point when they won like 30 games in a row

They had some great stretches, but overall? I don't think they'll ever be thought of even like the Bad Boy Pistons. They didn't consistently play that well together.

In 4 years they had 1 60+ win season.

[Roundball_Rock]

I don’t know who was worse, Hornacek or love

Door number 3: Stockton? :lol

The big issue with Bosh was not showing up in the playoffs. Bosh was 17.3 PPG on 52.4% eFG% during the LeBron years; that fell to 14.9 PPG on 51.0% eFG% in the playoffs. This ranged from 18.6 his first year to 12.1 in 13'.

Love had the same problem. 17.1 PPG on on 51.6% eFG% but 15.3 PPG on 49.4% eFG% in the playoffs.

The Heat could have signed Boozer for a significantly cheaper salary and gotten the same points and assists along with more boards (14/9/2 was his playoff line from 2011-2014; Bosh was 15/7/1) while being able to have some depth with the extra money (which they lacked in 2011). :oldlol:

[Rico2016]

When MJ faced such occurrences such as a 3 to 1 all nba deficit he was swiftly wiped away from the basketball world, pitifully mounting a 1-9 over his failure of a head.

[Soundwave]

When MJ faced such occurrences such as a 3 to 1 all nba deficit he was swiftly wiped away from the basketball world, pitifully mounting a 1-9 over his failure of a head.

If you had actual reading comprehension you would see Jordan did this (1 All-Star vs 3) against the Cavs and it was already pointed out in this thread.

And he hit the game winning shot to seal the deal in that series, not relying on his sidekick to do it for him.

[Roundball_Rock]

If you had actual reading comprehension you would see Jordan did this (1 All-Star vs 3) against the Cavs and it was already pointed out in this thread.

He said all-NBA.

[Bronbron23]

Goat shit. What happened when MJ Had similar circumstances?

kyrie was definitely an all star and it would of been goat shit if not for 2011. Losing to one all star while u have 3 is the opposite of goat shit so all 2016 did was make up for 2011.

[Roundball_Rock]

The 2016 all-stars for the East were (LeBron the only Cav):

STARTERS: Kyle Lowry, Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, Paul George, Carmelo Anthony

RESERVES: John Wall, Jimmy Butler (replaced by Pau Gasol), Andre Drummond, Paul Millsap, Chris Bosh, Isaiah Thomas, DeMar DeRozan

https://www.sbnation.com/2016/1/28/10864348/nba-all-star-game-rosters-2016-toronto-kobe-bryant

Irving was a perennial all-star outside of 16' but Love was not. He wasn't an all-star either of his first two seasons in Cleveland (he was the next two). In total he has been an all-star 2x in 6 years in Cleveland and did it 3x in 6 years in Minnesota.

[Soundwave]

Kyrie Irving is a 6x NBA All-Star and was in the All-Star game in 2015 and a starter in 2014 ... so to say he's not an All Star player is disingenious.

He missed 30 regular season games in 15-16, that's why he wasn't on the All-Star team, nothing more to it than that.

No chance Lecolluder comes to Cleveland if he didn't have other All-Star tier players, that was the whole point of bolting out of Miami, it was too hard there and he saw a younger All-Star in Kyrie to ride coattails with and then forced the Cavs to also trade the no.1 pick to get Love, thus fulfilling his quota of replacing Wade and Bosh.

He thought he was being slick doing the team jump for greener pastures for the 2nd time ... only thing he didn't count on was Durant out-b*tching his own b*tch level and ruining it all.

[theman93]

Goat shit. What happened when MJ Had similar circumstances?

Having 3 allstars while losing to the sole allstar reserveon the other team.

See: 2011 NBA Finals

Goat, not GOAT, shit is right

[RogueBorg]

Having 3 allstars while losing to the sole allstar reserveon the other team.

See: 2011 NBA Finals

Goat, not GOAT, shit is right

:applause:

[Roundball_Rock]

Kyrie Irving is a 6x NBA All-Star and was in the All-Star game in 2015 and a starter in 2014 ... so to say he's not an All Star player is disingenious.

Which I didn't say:


Irving was a perennial all-star outside of 16' but Love was not

The reason people say it is once again MJ stans' chickens are coming home to roast. Pippen was an all-star* in 90', 92', 93', 94', 95', 96', 97' (noticing a trend?). He would have been automatic in 98' but he only played a dozen or so games before the all-star break. In 91' he was better than in 90' but got snubbed. Despite all this, Jordan fans for years have went around saying MJ won with no all-stars in 91' and 98'**.

LeBron fans now, using MJ stans' own logic, point out Irving and Love (who was not a perennial all-star) do not qualify for 2016.

*And unlike Irving and Love, Pippen actually made all-NBA teams.
**A related side gimmick is to say Pippen was the only all-star MJ had, even though Grant and Armstrong became all-stars the year after MJ retired.