Can a player be on the top 15 GOAT list without a FMVP?

[AirBonner]

If so can you make a case for Steph Curry?

[SouBeachTalents]

I've yet to see Oscar not be in someone's top 15

[FultzNationRISE]

It’s possible. Guys like Pippen and Pau are arguably top 15 and they dont have an FMVP.

The difference between them and Curry ofc is that they deserved a few.

[Stanley Kobrick]

its not just that stephen curry has no fmvp, it's the fact he's not a good playoff performer and we know this because he's 32yo and has no iconic playoff moments. he's a regular season specialist that pads on points in garbage time after he's team carried in crunch. (see 2015 finals)

[iamgine]

Sure. Just imagine if Wilt had no FMVPs. He'd still be top 15 at least.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I guess it just says you're a sidekick? I don't really put much stock into regular season awards but finals MVP is pretty damn important because you have to have dominating finals performances to be a legend. People also want to see that you were the clear cut best player on your team in the finals. So I would say generally speaking, no you're not top 15. It's a knock on you, almost like you never even won a ring lol. I think Kobe without his 2 finals MVPs wouldn't be considered a top 10-15 as frequently as he is.

[SATAN]

If Curry didn't have glass ankles and a glass brain we could put him in the top 15. Not the case however. Mark Price would have done more with that Warriors team if also gifted the opportunity.

[Stephonit]

The FMVP is a media tool used to control narratives voted on by only 11 people the majority of whom are employed by the same employer. It's been shown to have been manipulated for television reasons to have the award go to a different player than the initial choice. It's usually biased against team players preferring as it does individuals who rack up stats except it isn't even consistent on that basis when it has a preferred narrative to sell. Bill Russell was never awarded the FMVP.

Anyone who gives value to the FMVP shows they are clueless lemmings who are easy to manipulate.

The case for Curry? He wins. Wins follow him around. He is the most valuable and important player on the greatest dynastic team of the modern era. Whatever media says doesn't change that pretty obvious fact. Curry isn't top 15 he's top 10 and the only player from this era who has a serious shot at number 1. While you guys waste your time talking about lesser players I will marvel at the greatest player of this era and perhaps ever while he is still playing.

[Axe]

There's a big reason why curry's jersey number ends in zero.

[Stephonit]

There's a big reason why curry's jersey number ends in zero.

Thank you for bringing that up that very insightful fact. I agree his jersey number has about as much weight as an FMVP.

[Axe]

Thank you for bringing that up that very insightful fact. I agree his jersey number has about as much weight as an FMVP.
You mean a player having fmvp is 30 times better than having none at all? Okay.

[Phoenix]

I've yet to see Oscar not be in someone's top 15

I'm wondering for how much longer that's gonna be. His biggest claim to fame was the triple double and Russ just did that 3 years in a row, and Luka flirted with one as a 2nd year player. Not saying either of those two are as good, just wondering how much cache that triple D will continue to have for Oscar. This era is ripe for guys to produce those kinds of stats. Someone around here old enough to have seen him play can probably chime in.

[Manny98]

Oscar crowned Lebron as the GOAT before he won a FMVP


https://youtu.be/6TrccDSAY58

[Uncle Drew]

Bill Russell was never awarded the FMVP.

God, I wonder why that is?

[scuzzy]

God, I wonder why that is?
:oldlol:

[Overdrive]

I've yet to see Oscar not be in someone's top 15

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Oscar crowned Lebron as the GOAT before he won a FMVP


https://youtu.be/6TrccDSAY58

Did you even watch the vid? He didn't see he was GOAT. He even said legacy, that's were you rank among the past greats, is decided after retirement. Everything else is media chatter.

He judges players by their skills and not accolades. Lebron would be just as good as he is winning or losing and that he's in a class with Jordan. Not once did he say Lebron was the greatest of all time.

I honestly believe you're a functional illiterate. Would explain alot.

[Manny98]

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Did you even watch the vid? He didn't see he was GOAT. He even said legacy, that's were you rank among the past greats, is decided after retirement. Everything else is media chatter.

He judges players by their skills and not accolades. Lebron would be just as good as he is winning or losing and that he's in a class with Jordan. Not once did he say Lebron was the greatest of all time.

I honestly believe you're a functional illiterate. Would explain alot.

Why are you twisting his words, he said that LeBron is in a class by himself meaning that he's better than everyone else

[RRR3]

God, I wonder why that is?
He keeps repeating that thinking he’ll fool someone into believing Curry is this Bill Russell type winner who doesn’t care about awards. Fact is Russell would likely have the MOST FMVPS ever had the award existed throughout his career. Because he was actually, y know, GOOD in the finals.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Curry is a great player. He made a dynasty with not the best players. KD is like Dominique Wilkins. Thompson is like Hornacek. Green is like Anthony Mason. He makes his teammates better and improved his teams. I still think LeBron is better though because LeBron has better stats.

[Cyrus334]

It’s possible. Guys like Pippen and Pau are arguably top 15 and they dont have an FMVP.

The difference between them and Curry ofc is that they deserved a few.

No way.

There's no case you can present that would have Pippen or Pau as a Top 15 GOAT player.

Top 20-25 would be the more the accurate ranking.

[SouBeachTalents]

No way.

There's no case you can present that would have Pippen or Pau as a Top 15 GOAT player.

Top 20-25 would be the more the accurate ranking.
Lmao, he was clearly trolling

[RRR3]

No way.

There's no case you can present that would have Pippen or Pau as a Top 15 GOAT player.

Top 20-25 would be the more the accurate ranking.
Top 20-25 for Pippen sure but Pau? How?

[Stephonit]

He keeps repeating that thinking he’ll fool someone into believing Curry is this Bill Russell type winner who doesn’t care about awards. Fact is Russell would likely have the MOST FMVPS ever had the award existed throughout his career. Because he was actually, y know, GOOD in the finals.

Russell as possibly the greatest team player would have been ignored numerous times going by the way the FMVP is given out. In eleven championship finals appearances he was only the most prolific scorer on his team twice—and just barely. All the other times he was third or lower on his team in scoring. When they had the opportunity to give him the award, what did they do? They gave it to the guy who averaged 37 points—but lost. Giving the award to the guy who was the seventh highest scorer on the team was simply not in the cards even if that guys is the key to winning. The FMVP award has been a giant embarrassment from the beginning.

[Soundwave]

Top 15 is a lot broader of a range ... I would say yes.

Top 5-7 though .... probably no.

[Naero]

Even some ringless players, such as Charles Barkley and Karl Malone, have cogent top-fifteen cases. If there's any glass ceiling for that pantheon, it would be for MVP-less players, but Jerry West proves even that isn't so unbreakable.

Curry has more to accomplish before he cracks my top fifteen, but winning a Finals MVP isn't the only avenue for him to do so; it's just the quickest one because that's the only realistic legacy-catapulting achievement he has left.

[Stanley Kobrick]

It seems after much deliberation most commonly agree that it is indeed impossible, interesting

[light]

If so can you make a case for Steph Curry?

ESPN just ranked him 13 so the answer is yes?

[SATAN]

ESPN is cancer.

[Axe]

Curry is a great player. He made a dynasty with not the best players. KD is like Dominique Wilkins. Thompson is like Hornacek. Green is like Anthony Mason. He makes his teammates better and improved his teams. I still think LeBron is better though because LeBron has better stats.
Curry wasn't even significant until kerr made the warriors nba finalists for five straight times.

Have to give him credit for his long-range shooting prowess tho.

[iamgine]

I think everyone already establish that it's entirely possible a player could enter top 15 GOAT without FMVP.

As for Curry, personally I wouldn't put him there just yet but you could make a legit case by pointing at his 2 MVPs, 3 Rings, GOAT shooter, and being one of those rare players who changed the game.

[Rico2016]

Oscar Robertson: People say LeBron is not as good as Jordan? Come on...He is in a class by himself