The Truth: LeBron isn't a top 5 player of all time.

[dreamshake]

Pierce instead names Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Russell, Magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant as his Top 5.

https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/pau...185008481.html

[ELITEpower23]

5 seasons of the top ten best playoff PER runs of all time, (including up to Finals stats) while the next guy had only 3 times I think? (mj)

9 seasons leading playoffs in win shares, next guy only had 7 (mj)

Three rings via top level Finals opponents

6900 playoff points, #1 all time again next guy only had 5900 (mj)

Once any of these get passed, we can talk. For now he is top 1. Maybe top 2.

That is top 2 without a doubt. Possibly top 1.

[dreamshake]

Sorry but I'm taking a professional NBA finals MVP's opinion over a stat geek who never played basketball professionally.

[Lebron23]

Sorry but I'm taking a professional NBA finals MVP's opinion over a stat geek who never played basketball professionally.

You're an attention whore

[zeerghit]

Sorry but I'm taking a professional NBA finals MVP's opinion over a stat geek who never played basketball professionally.

so how about Isiah Thomas quotes?

[bullettooth]

5 seasons of the top ten best playoff PER runs of all time, (including up to Finals stats) while the next guy had only 3 times I think? (mj)

9 seasons leading playoffs in win shares, next guy only had 7 (mj)

Three rings via top level Finals opponents

6900 playoff points, #1 all time again next guy only had 5900 (mj)

Once any of these get passed, we can talk. For now he is top 1. Maybe top 2.

That is top 2 without a doubt. Possibly top 1.

Dudes got as many stats as he has finals losses.

Thats Jerry West and Elgin Baylor territory, not top 5.

[SpaceJam]

so how about Isiah Thomas quotes?

:oldlol:

[AirBonner]

2016 still happened

[FireDavidKahn]

Sorry but I'm taking a professional NBA finals MVP's opinion over a stat geek who never played basketball professionally.

So basically you are parroting what someone is saying without any objective thought to add.

You are being told what to think:roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

Dawg didnt we have this thread yesterday

[Axe]

5 seasons of the top ten best playoff PER runs of all time, (including up to Finals stats) while the next guy had only 3 times I think? (mj)

9 seasons leading playoffs in win shares, next guy only had 7 (mj)

Three rings via top level Finals opponents

6900 playoff points, #1 all time again next guy only had 5900 (mj)

Once any of these get passed, we can talk. For now he is top 1. Maybe top 2.

That is top 2 without a doubt. Possibly top 1.
And whose dup do you belong to?

[3ball]

He formed a strong cast in a conference that weak teams were routinely winning - that's fuc**** cheating

He teamed up with someone that was better than Kobe (28 PER for Wade in 2010, only 22 for Kobe)

and added a gasol-level PF... he basically teamed up with Kobe/Pau

Then proceeded to be a perennial underdog/loser (lost or underdog for 3 of 4 years in miami)

[AirBonner]

MJ had a team with 3 all defense players on it. That’s more than any team in the 90’s

[dreamshake]

Dawg didnt we have this thread yesterday

I just thought everyone should see the truth.

[Rico2016]

He isn't just top 5. He is top 2. Just to avoid argument he is top 2. But really, he is top 1. It's just proof to the world:

https://i.ibb.co/TgyrJr6/top-scores.png

[Rico2016]

MJ had a team with 3 all defense players on it. That’s more than any team in the 90’s

Three 1st team all defense. What a treat. LeBron never had that luxury. He was battling with 3 all nbas versus his 1 in 2016 and found a way.
FOUND A DAMN WAY. To capture the GOAT chip.

[AirBonner]

Three 1st team all defense. What a treat. LeBron never had that luxury. He was battling with 3 all nbas versus his 1 in 2016 and found a way.
FOUND A DAMN WAY. To capture the GOAT chip.

Found a damn way. Damn right :biggums::biggums::biggums:

[dreamshake]

Three 1st team all defense. What a treat. LeBron never had that luxury. He was battling with 3 all nbas versus his 1 in 2016 and found a way.
FOUND A DAMN WAY. To capture the GOAT chip.

LeBron had an even better luxury in 2019 with five all NBA defensive players: James, Howard, Davis, Rondo, Bradley

[Smoke117]

You have to be the most boring and worthless fakkot on the board. Nobody cares about your troll job, fukk face. Eat shit and die.

[ELITEpower23]

You have to be the most boring and worthless fakkot on the board. Nobody cares about your troll job, fukk face. Eat shit and die.

Mic drop

[ELITEpower23]

He isn't just top 5. He is top 2. Just to avoid argument he is top 2. But really, he is top 1. It's just proof to the world:

https://i.ibb.co/TgyrJr6/top-scores.png

Rebuttal: pending .. ... . ... .

[2ball]

have to agree with op here

[Smoke117]

I just thought everyone should see the truth.

Yeah you being a worthles fakkot running his bitch ass woirthless mouth 24/7 you ****ing fakkot ******

You are as worthless as it comes you stupid ****.

[Smoke117]

I spit on a worthless retard ape like you, **** head.

[Axe]

You have to be the most boring and worthless fakkot on the board. Nobody cares about your troll job, fukk face. Eat shit and die.
Why didn't you use your SATAN dup to tell this?

[dreamshake]

have to agree with op here

People just need to know the truth.

[ELITEpower23]

He isn't just top 5. He is top 2. Just to avoid argument he is top 2. But really, he is top 1. It's just proof to the world:

https://i.ibb.co/TgyrJr6/top-scores.png

Great point. Still no answers. The sign of a true win.

[2ball]

09' Lebron lost with #3 defense and 18 on 38% from sidekick - MJ always won with that.
MJ had worse than the #3 defense and weak offensive stats from his sidekick in all these series wins:


Pippen's stats:


1988 RD 1 vs. CLE: 10.6 on 47.1%

1988 ECSF vs. CLE: 10.6 on 47.1%

1989 RD 1 vs. CLE: 15.0 on 39.8%

1990 ECF 16.6 on 42.8%

1992 ECSF vs NYN: 16.0 on 40.2%

1993 RD 1 vs. ATL: 15.0 on 42.2%

1995 ECSF vs ORL: 19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN: 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA: 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS: 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF vs MIA: 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECF vs IND: 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA: 15.7 on 41.0%

LeBron can’t be top five for this reason.

[LAL]

LOL! I like that bronstans now have to deal with 2ball when 3ball is resting.

[And1AllDay]

5 seasons of the top ten best playoff PER runs of all time, (including up to Finals stats) while the next guy had only 3 times I think? (mj)

9 seasons leading playoffs in win shares, next guy only had 7 (mj)

Three rings via top level Finals opponents

6900 playoff points, #1 all time again next guy only had 5900 (mj)

Once any of these get passed, we can talk. For now he is top 1. Maybe top 2.

That is top 2 without a doubt. Possibly top 1.

Dont forget this one

https://i.postimg.cc/XYbbNkJh/most-win-shares-bran.png

[Kiddlovesnets]

There’s no way Kobe is ahead of Lebron though, what Paul Pierce thinks doesn’t matter.

[Real14]

Top 5

1. MJ
2. Jabbar
3. Kobe
4. Magic
5. Shaq

[And1AllDay]

Top 5

1. MJ
2. Jabbar
3. Kobe
4. Magic
5. Shaq

Close

https://i.postimg.cc/XYbbNkJh/most-win-shares-bran.png

just forgot the king

[Axe]

Lebron will always be a top 5 consensus atg, even moreso if you remove his shortcomings in the finals. The only thing that's irking about him is that he hopped to the lakers tho.

[Real14]

Close

https://i.postimg.cc/XYbbNkJh/most-win-shares-bran.png

just forgot the king

What king?

[Real14]

I would of put Bill Russell in my top 5 but he was a lil overrated. He's in my 10 tho.

[And1AllDay]

What king?

look to the number 1

it looks like this

"1."

Then look to the name that is listed to the right of "#1"

your welcome bruh

[Real14]

look to the number 1

it looks like this

"1."

Then look to the name that is listed to the right of "#1"

your welcome bruh

Lebron only have 3 asterisks for rings out of 9 finals. Even 4*/10 still would not deserve top 5 spot.

[And1AllDay]

Lebron only have 3 asterisks for rings out of 9 finals. Even 4*/10 still would not deserve top 5 spot.

https://i.postimg.cc/XYbbNkJh/most-win-shares-bran.png

what about that

[Real14]

https://i.postimg.cc/XYbbNkJh/most-win-shares-bran.png

what about that

Don't mean anything.

[3ball]

He isn't just top 5. He is top 2. Just to avoid argument he is top 2. But really, he is top 1. It's just proof to the world:

https://i.ibb.co/TgyrJr6/top-scores.png

2010 PER

Wade 28
Kobe 22

So Lebron teamed up with someone that was better than Kobe

and added a gasol-level PF... he basically teamed up with Kobe/Pau

Then proceeded to be a perennial underdog/loser (lost or underdog for 3 of 4 years in miami)

[AlternativeAcc.]

2010 PER

Wade 28
Kobe 22

So Lebron teamed up with someone that was better than Kobe

and added a gasol-level PF... he basically teamed up with Kobe/Pau

Then proceeded to be a perennial underdog/loser (lost or underdog for 3 of 4 years in miami)

Westbrook or Kemp

[3ball]

Westbrook or Kemp

kemp obv

the best players in the 90's were all 1st option Finals guys, aka Hakeem, Malone, Barkley, Shaq, Ewing, Drexler, Robinson - aka 1st option Finals guys and top tier of the 90's

guys like Kemp and Penny are basically on this top tier as well because they were in 1a/1b situations

kemp was really a guard that played in the wrong era.. in today's game he'd be a 6'10 Jordan-like guard with elite big man power, aka > lebron

[bison]

Top 5

1. MJ
2. Jabbar
3. Kobe
4. Magic
5. Shaq

:lebronamazed:

Wtf that’s my list too bro. Though if LeBron gets the chip this year I’m CONSIDERING putting him at 5 over shaq.

[ELITEpower23]

But if LeBron is not in the top 5 then neither can anyone else be in the top 5? His playoff stats are A-1 grade, which can only mean that his rank is unmatched and hence top 3 without question. He is usually #1 in every category and if not #1 he is top 3 in nearly every measure. If he is not top 5 then no one is.

[pauk]

Sorry but I'm taking a professional NBA finals MVP's opinion over a stat geek who never played basketball professionally.

You would be surprised how little NBA players know (or care) about NBA history (or basketball history itself globally)... and they are all extremly biased... also its funny how some NBA players imply things like "How can you know more than me, i played in the NBA".... the only thing an NBA player can know more is some certain inside things, how only a certain player used to play in that certain game he played versus with, 2 games a season, used to talk, behave, if he played against/with him, but even there its based on personal feelings... they know more about strategy, preparation, practice, player/coach personalities etc. things that doesnt help much when it comes NBA history knowledge required to compare/rank ALL players historically...

That mostly has nothing to do with knowledge required to REALLY do a thing like compare / rank players historically... any time a player has attempted that on TV, he lost the debate (to a non-player) or just sounded DUMB when trying to explain his picks and the counter debate....

The guys who can compare/rank players historically the best (and explain in detail) are the old hardcore fanatics who observed the game and read up on history on each players accomplishments in every context that they couldnt observe.... thoroughly.... and with no agenda.... that doesnt require you to have been a pro player whatsoever, you wouldnt have the time, energy, care for that as an NBA player anyways.... those who had the time and fanatic passion in their hand to soak up as much of that information as possible....

Such fans do nothing but talk/debate this specific subject (rankings) with OTHER such hardcore knowledged fans, trade knowledge, learn more, change their minds/opinions... and so on.... for decades....

[pandiani17]

There’s no way Kobe is ahead of Lebron though, what Paul Pierce thinks doesn’t matter.

I'm sure he is not biased.:roll:

[SATAN]

He's top 5 and that's a non objective scientific fact. Where you place him within the top 5 is up to you (anything other than #1 is somewhat foolish imho but that's an argument for another day) but the general consensus is in and has been for years. People need to get over it and just appreciate how good he has been for the NBA. And how good he has been for big pharma companies that produce prescription blood pressure medication for the immense jealousy and feelings of bitterness his haters experience on a daily basis. Paul "couldn't make it but had to fake it" Pierce included. :applause:

[colts19]

5 seasons of the top ten best playoff PER runs of all time, (including up to Finals stats) while the next guy had only 3 times I think? (mj)

9 seasons leading playoffs in win shares, next guy only had 7 (mj)

Three rings via top level Finals opponents

6900 playoff points, #1 all time again next guy only had 5900 (mj)

Once any of these get passed, we can talk. For now he is top 1. Maybe top 2.

That is top 2 without a doubt. Possibly top 1.

11 championships Russell
3 Lebron

You play to win the game.