"No one's ever come back from down 3-1 in the Finals." -Mike Breen

[ELITEpower23]

Just witnessed the new ad that starts out with this audio.

What. A. Time.

Here's the quick recap:

https://youtu.be/_xvrTTwwfB4

[3ball]

No one ever had their most impactful player suspended mid-Finals

No one ever had a 27 ppg sidekick in the Finals that hit the series-deciding shot

Almost no team was dealing with an MCL that desperately needed rest from their star

And few teams had their center and other players hurt or banged up

[SouBeachTalents]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck3a8TDWkAIgC68.jpg

[AirBonner]

Goat shit

[RRR3]

Lots of people on ISH still haven't gotten over this.

[3ball]

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538:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-15-2019/hYQBCO.gif


Why is it better to be a bad team, perennial underdog, or get a 3-1 deficit, then being a dominant favorite that always leads??

Lebron's Cavs were originally the league favorite in 2015 and were viewed as having historic talent (see graphic above), so why did they flame-out as a 50-win underdog, while Curry abd Kawhi flirt with 70-win juggernauts?

Why did this guy only go 1-4 with kyrie and 2/4 with Kobe/Bosh??.. (edit: Wade.. easy to get them confused)

Why did he fail to make Finals as heavy favorite in 09/10 when weak teams were routinely making it from that conference?

Why did this guy miss playoffs with the East all-star center in 05', or Ingram in 19'?

Why does this fake goat underachieved his entire career?

[SouBeachTalents]

Lots of people on ISH still haven't gotten over this.
Exhibit A ^

[LAmbruh]

First player in NBA history to lead both teams in all categories in a playoff series of any length



https://media3.giphy.com/media/26BRz1B0Mp0d4Fns4/source.gif

[AirBonner]

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538:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-15-2019/hYQBCO.gif


Why is it better to be a bad team, perennial underdog, or get a 3-1 deficit, then being a dominant favorite that always leads??

Lebron's Cavs were originally the league favorite in 2015 and were viewed as having historic talent (see graphic above), so why did they flame-out as a 50-win underdog, while Curry abd Kawhi flirt with 70-win juggernauts?

Why did this guy only go 1-4 with kyrie and 2/4 with Kobe/Bosh??.. (edit: Wade.. easy to get them confused)

Why did he fail to make Finals as heavy favorite in 09/10 when weak teams were routinely making it from that conference?

Why did this guy miss playoffs with the East all-star center in 05', or Ingram in 19'?

Why does this fake goat underachieved his entire career?
You still can’t get over 2016. That’s why this is a goat achievement

[3ball]

You still can’t get over 2016. That’s why this is a goat achievement

He should've been favored heading INTO the series and I would expect lebron/kyrie to dominate curry/Klay

His Cavs were originally favored in 2015 so there's no excuse to not flirt with a 70-win juggernaut like Kawhi Curry did

And it would've been cool if you answered why it's better to lose than win.... Why is it better to be a bad team/underdog that needs a comeback than be a winning team that leads in series and wins

Lebron's perennial underdog status proves that he limits team ceiling

[AirBonner]

He should've been favored heading INTO the series and I would expect lebron/kyrie to dominate curry/Klay

His Cavs were originally favored in 2015 so there's no excuse to not flirt with a 70-win juggernaut like Kawhi Curry did

And it would've been cool if you answered why it's better to lose than win.... Why is it better to be a bad team/underdog that needs a comeback than be a winning team that leads in series and wins

Lebron's perennial underdog status proves that he limits team ceiling

Favored?3 allstars vs 1?

[Jordan96]

He should've been favored heading INTO the series and I would expect lebron/kyrie to dominate curry/Klay

His Cavs were originally favored in 2015 so there's no excuse to not flirt with a 70-win juggernaut like Kawhi Curry did

And it would've been cool if you answered why it's better to lose than win.... Why is it better to be a bad team/underdog that needs a comeback than be a winning team that leads in series and wins

Lebron's perennial underdog status proves that he limits team ceiling

He didn’t have another all nba teammate on his roster

He was facing 3 all nba teammates

[LAmbruh]

He didn’t have another all nba teammate on his roster

He was facing 3 all nba teammates

and 4 players that played in the Rio Olympics weeks earlier (Steph dropped out days b4)

[3ball]

He didn’t have another all nba teammate on his roster

He was facing 3 all nba teammates

Cavs.were originally favored when that team came together in 2015 because everyone thinks Lebron/Kyrie would destroy Curry/Klay

Only when lebron/kyrie barely won 50 games and Curry's superior brand won 70 did the Cavs become underdogs and perceived as inferior...

But on the playground, anyone would pick lebron/kyrie over curry/klay, which is why they were originally favored

[Rico2016]

No one ever had their most impactful player suspended mid-Finals

No one ever had a 27 ppg sidekick in the Finals that hit the series-deciding shot

Almost no team was dealing with an MCL that desperately needed rest from their star

And few teams had their center and other players hurt or banged up

I think you ran yourself into a HUGE problem. If Draymond was the Warriors most "impactful" player on the team then guess what baby boi...Yep, you did it to yourself.

PIPPEN was the most impactful player on the Bulls

Why? Because basketball, as you pointed out, IS about more than scoring. We still have to consider defense, right? Rebounding. Passing, and other intangibles. Thanks for admitting Pippen was the most impactful player on the Bulls all along.

[Rico2016]

Breen: "Igoudola to Curry. Back to Igoudola. Up for the lay up. OHHH! BLOCKED BY JAMES!"


Jeff Van Gundy: OH. MY. GOODNESS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y1jjMflpkk

[RRR3]

Cavs.were originally favored when that team came together in 2015 because everyone thinks Lebron/Kyrie would destroy Curry/Klay

Only when lebron/kyrie barely won 50 games and Curry's superior brand won 70 did the Cavs become underdogs and perceived as inferior...

But on the playground, anyone would pick lebron/kyrie over curry/klay, which is why they were originally favored
That's only because people didn't realize how good Curry, Klay and Draymond were going to become in 2015 you idiot. They all had by far the best seasons of their careers (up to that point in time mind you. 2015 remains Klay's best year I believe, but obviously Draymond and Curry both peaked the next season), and no one was expecting that.

[Rico2016]

First player in NBA history to lead both teams in all categories in a playoff series of any length



https://media3.giphy.com/media/26BRz1B0Mp0d4Fns4/source.gif

What a time bois.

:dancin

Forever cemented as GOAT chip. No one could ever come close.

[Rico2016]

That's only because people didn't realize how good Curry, Klay and Draymond were going to become in 2015 you idiot. They all had by far the best seasons of their careers (up to that point in time mind you. 2015 remains Klay's best year I believe, but obviously Draymond and Curry both peaked the next season), and no one was expecting that.

Bingo.

idiotBall forgets the 2015 Warriors had an SRS over 10. MJ never came close to facing a team that good. The 2016 Warriors SRS was even higher.

[SouBeachTalents]

If there's an argument each faction has to cede, it's 2011 for his fans & 2016 for the haters. You're not gonna argue your way out of either of those. Coming back from 3-1 to defeat a 73 win team while leading both teams in every category and breaking Cleveland's sports curse is not something you're going to be able to downplay, no matter how hard you try :lol Ditto anyone trying to downplay how awful 2011 was

[AirBonner]

If there's an argument each faction has to cede, it's 2011 for his fans & 2016 for the haters. You're not gonna argue your way out of either of those. Coming back from 3-1 to defeat a 73 win team while leading both teams in every category and breaking Cleveland's sports curse is not something you're going to be able to downplay, no matter how hard you try :lol Ditto anyone trying to downplay how awful 2011 was

Agree! However 2016 was greater imo

[RRR3]

If there's an argument each faction has to cede, it's 2011 for his fans & 2016 for the haters. You're not gonna argue your way out of either of those. Coming back from 3-1 to defeat a 73 win team while leading both teams in every category and breaking Cleveland's sports curse is not something you're going to be able to downplay, no matter how hard you try :lol Ditto anyone trying to downplay how awful 2011 was
The difference is, a number of his fans will cede 2011. Haters will never cede anything to LeBron.

[Rico2016]

If there's an argument each faction has to cede, it's 2011 for his fans & 2016 for the haters. You're not gonna argue your way out of either of those. Coming back from 3-1 to defeat a 73 win team while leading both teams in every category and breaking Cleveland's sports curse is not something you're going to be able to downplay, no matter how hard you try :lol Ditto anyone trying to downplay how awful 2011 was

2011 was a loss that never should have happened, but sometimes favorites lose. It happened, and it will happen again.

But what will never happen again is 2016. There would need to be too many things to take place in order to mirror 2016 again.

[3ball]

That's only because people didn't realize how good Curry, Klay and Draymond were going to become in 2015 you idiot. They all had by far the best seasons of their careers (up to that point in time mind you. 2015 remains Klay's best year I believe, but obviously Draymond and Curry both peaked the next season), and no one was expecting that.

No, even today people think Lebron/Kyrie should beat curry/klay, especially with how kyrie owns curry

Its funny because kyrie outscores curry but lebron can't vs Durant. - that's not the only reason they lost obviously..

Weak ball movement/inferior brand caused the cavs to win a pathetic 51 games in 2017 instead of flirting with 70 like Curry and Kawhi - so they were a much worse team then they should've been - and they should've won in 16' as an equal or favorite and entered 2017 as an unstoppable juggernaut instead of lucky winner.. then it wouldn't have mattered what Durant did

[Stephonit]

Curry was fouled out of a game for the first time in his career with this play:

https://www.gifgen.com/gif/ZknBy3R3.gif

That 2016 "victory" is the most tainted and deserving of an asterisk in recent memory.

[Rico2016]

Curry was fouled out of a game for the first time in his career with this play:

https://www.gifgen.com/gif/ZknBy3R3.gif

That 2016 "victory" is the most tainted and deserving of an asterisk in recent memory.

Yep, that's what changed the series. Not Curry's 22 ppg on 40% with more turnovers than assists and piss poor defense.

[FKAri]

Greatest moment in sports. Basketball can be pretty boring but if there's one guy who can elevate it to a legendary level, it's Lebron. What a special guy. Thank you Lebron. :applause:

[Stephonit]

Yep, that's what changed the series. Not Curry's 22 ppg on 40% with more turnovers than assists and piss poor defense.

Curry scored 11 in game 1 and 18 in game 2—both Warriors wins. Then Green gets suspended, Bogut gets injured and in a game Curry is expending more of his energy he gets fouled out on plays like the one shown. We're supposed to be impressed with the Cavaliers comeback? Decidedly not.

[Rico2016]

Curry scored 11 in game 1 and 18 in game 2—both Warriors wins. Then Green gets suspended, Bogut gets injured and in a game Curry is expending more of his energy he gets fouled out on plays like the one shown. We're supposed to be impressed with the Cavaliers comeback? Decidedly not.

Do you think if he turned the ball over less (he had more turnovers than assists as a point guard) and if he scored more than 22 ppg he wins? Hard for a #1 option to win a Finals averaging 22 ppg on 40% and with more turnovers than assists and with shit defense.

[scuzzy]

Curry was fouled out of a game for the first time in his career with this play:

https://www.gifgen.com/gif/ZknBy3R3.gif

That 2016 "victory" is the most tainted and deserving of an asterisk in recent memory.
2 fouls actually

reach in once, hacked on arm foul, foul

loose ball foul, violating ball handlers space while in motion, foul

[Rico2016]

2 fouls actually

reach in once, hacked on arm foul

loose ball foul, violating ball handlers space while in motion

"But its curry doe, he shouldn't be called for fouls when he is playing like a moron!11!!"

Jokes aside, that was an idiotic play for anyone with 5 fouls. Low IQ, low testosterone Curry

[scuzzy]

"But its curry doe, he shouldn't be called for fouls when he is playing like a moron!11!!"

Jokes aside, that was an idiotic play for anyone with 5 fouls. Low IQ, low testosterone Curry
should have been suspended gm 7 for physically interfering with away fans after throwing mouthguard

imagine if Tristan was drop kicking Curry in the groin all series tech free

eh that's just Dray being Dray

[Stephonit]

Do you think if he turned the ball over less (he had more turnovers than assists as a point guard) and if he scored more than 22 ppg he wins? Hard for a #1 option to win a Finals averaging 22 ppg on 40% and with more turnovers than assists and with shit defense.

It's been said Curry was coming off an injury. Despite the protestations of his detractors the fact of the matter is that his lower output in the first games is consistent with the view that he was conserving energy. That series was filled with one-sided blowouts. When one team got an edge it seemed as if the other team folded. In terms of basketball it was horrible to watch in real-time as much as people put on rose-tinted glasses now. But that's also why any ref interference taints the entire proceedings. The series turned after the Green suspension. There is no denying that was the turning point. Before that the momentum was one way after that the other direction. The series was tainted. There's no getting around it.

[Stephonit]

should have been suspended gm 7 for physically interfering with away fans after throwing mouthguard

imagine if Tristan was drop kicking Curry in the groin all series tech free

eh that's just Dray being Dray

Sure suspend Curry. We know that suspending players is the only way the Cavaliers win.

[scuzzy]

Sure suspend Curry. We know that suspending players is the only way the Cavaliers win.
nah, beat the piss out of em in Gm 6 and 7 fully dressed and Love coming off seriously concussed

in Oracle too

easy work

[Rico2016]

It's been said Curry was coming off an injury. Despite the protestations of his detractors the fact of the matter is that his lower output in the first games is consistent with the view that he was conserving energy. That series was filled with one-sided blowouts. When one team got an edge it seemed as if the other team folded. In terms of basketball it was horrible to watch in real-time as much as people put on rose-tinted glasses now. But that's also why any ref interference taints the entire proceedings. The series turned after the Green suspension. There is no denying that was the turning point. Before that the momentum was one way after that the other direction. The series was tainted. There's no getting around it.

Injury? You reminded me to bump my thread

https://imgbbb.com/images/2020/05/24/2016-curry-playoffs-revise.png

[Cyrus334]

Shouldn't have been down 3-1 in the first place when the entire narrative surrounding your team was that you would have beaten the exact same team a year ago had your two next best players not got injured.

[Rico2016]

Shouldn't have been down 3-1 in the first place when the entire narrative surrounding your team was that you would have beaten the exact same team a year ago had your two next best players not got injured.

Are you forgetting how great Steph Curry played in 2016? Am I the only one that remembers, it's only been 3 years ago sheesh. 2016 Curry was the first ever unanimous (this means every single voter voted him as #1 MVP) in league history. Not even LeBron did that. 2016 Curry averaged 30 points on an IMPRESSIVE 50/40/90 for the entire season, catapulting his Warriors to great heights. How great? Literal record breaking 73 wins height. 2016 Curry also punished his playoff victims in the WCSF and WCF where Chef Curry was cooking. Cooking to the tune of 29/6/6 on 45%. Suddenly though. After 100 or so games of 30/6/6 on 50/40/90 he became human again. LeBron finalized him. LeAnchor did more than we could imagine.

[Lebron23]

Injury? You reminded me to bump my thread

https://imgbbb.com/images/2020/05/24/2016-curry-playoffs-revise.png

LeBron locked him up. Shut him down

[RoseCity07]

This actually makes me sad about 2015 because that Lebron seemed even more dominant than 2016 but he was all alone. He was a man on a mission in 2015 too but he had both is Love and Kyrie go down. He definitely would have beat the Warriors had Kyrie and Love been healthy.

[2ball]

Lebron averaged 27.2 and 7.2 apg in the 12/13/16 playoffs

MJ averaged 33.7 and 6.6 in the 91-93 playoffs

So MJ had to do more to win 3 rings..

in addition to 6 more points, MJ had more oreb, steals, blocks, ft%, usage, offensive efficiency (ortg), PER, average win share, and lower TO's

[r0drig0lac]

Lebron averaged 27.2 and 7.2 apg in the 12/13/16 playoffs

MJ averaged 33.7 and 6.6 in the 91-93 playoffs

So MJ had to do more to win 3 rings..

in addition to 6 more points, MJ had more oreb, steals, blocks, ft%, usage, offensive efficiency (ortg), PER, average win share, and lower TO's

https://media.giphy.com/media/LyJ6KPlrFdKnK/giphy.gif

[RRR3]

Lebron averaged 27.2 and 7.2 apg in the 12/13/16 playoffs

MJ averaged 33.7 and 6.6 in the 91-93 playoffs

So MJ had to do more to win 3 rings..

in addition to 6 more points, MJ had more oreb, steals, blocks, ft%, usage, offensive efficiency (ortg), PER, average win share, and lower TO's
Stick to one account champ. At least this username makes sense.

[Wally450]

First player in NBA history to lead both teams in all categories in a playoff series of any length




And people still claim Kyrie had a shot an FMVP. :oldlol:

[ELITEpower23]

And people still claim Kyrie had a shot an FMVP. :oldlol:

Kyrie's breakthru game 5, still had far less Gm Sc than LBJs game 5. Kinda funny. Even Kyrie's greatest Finals game ever, LeBron still had a better one in the SAME GAME :lol

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Sure suspend Curry. We know that suspending players is the only way the Cavaliers win.

I wish Adam Silver didn’t suspend Draymond Green because now we will never know if LeBron would win without it. As a LeBron fan I think his legacy would be much better without that mark. It’s not a big deal but it looks a little suspicious.

[Roundball_Rock]

He didn’t have another all nba teammate on his roster

He was facing 3 all nba teammates

A 57 win team should have been favored over a 73 win team. :lol


Stick to one account champ. At least this username makes sense.

:roll:

[Rico2016]

should have been suspended gm 7 for physically interfering with away fans after throwing mouthguard

imagine if Tristan was drop kicking Curry in the groin all series tech free

eh that's just Dray being Dray
Yep! Dray should have been suspended vs Thunder.

[Stanley Kobrick]

stephen curry blew a 3-1 with HCA to matthew dellavedova

[Bronbron23]

Just witnessed the new ad that starts out with this audio.

What. A. Time.

Here's the quick recap:

https://youtu.be/_xvrTTwwfB4

could be also looked at as no one is ever giving upa 3-1 lead. Steph being a finals underachiever played a big role in that.

[Rico2016]

Per the NBA on ESPN, today marks the 4 year anniversary of the GOAT chip.

[light]

Just witnessed the new ad that starts out with this audio.

What. A. Time.

Here's the quick recap:

https://youtu.be/_xvrTTwwfB4

GOAT flex if I've ever seen one.

[Rico2016]

First player in NBA history to lead both teams in all categories in a playoff series of any length



https://media3.giphy.com/media/26BRz1B0Mp0d4Fns4/source.gif

We stay winning!

[warriorfan]

I wish Adam Silver didn’t suspend Draymond Green because now we will never know if LeBron would win without it. As a LeBron fan I think his legacy would be much better without that mark. It’s not a big deal but it looks a little suspicious.

Very candid answer coming from a LeBron fan. I have to say I’m a tad impressed.

[Rico2016]

Very candid answer coming from a LeBron fan. I have to say I’m a tad impressed.

Imagine quoting yourself. What a beta

Stick to your beta threads:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?379867-Finals-MVP-Alpha-Male-Curry-Appreciation-Thread

https://i.postimg.cc/LXrHnQnP/sad-sad.png

[ELITEpower23]

Breen: "Igoudola to Curry. Back to Igoudola. Up for the lay up. OHHH! BLOCKED BY JAMES!"


Jeff Van Gundy: OH. MY. GOODNESS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y1jjMflpkk

WOW what a day

[ELITEpower23]

Imagine quoting yourself. What a beta

Stick to your beta threads:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?379867-Finals-MVP-Alpha-Male-Curry-Appreciation-Thread

https://i.postimg.cc/LXrHnQnP/sad-sad.png

Did this really happen? Whats the backstory someone fill me in :lol

WarriorFan made a thread claiming Curry is the Alpha Male with a 1/1 FMVP moments before it was handed to Iggy? Then he cried to mods to close it? Then he says FMVP doesnt matter anymore?

TELL ME MORE

[GrayGoat]

A lot of grown men are not over the 3-1 comeback

[Axe]

stephen curry blew a 3-1 with HCA to matthew dellavedova
Interesting.

[Bronbron23]

Coming back down 3-1 is one of those overrated achievements because it means u went 7 games. How is that more impressive than someone who dominates and sweeps a finals or wins in 5?

[8Ball]

Coming back down 3-1 is one of those overrated achievements because it means u went 7 games. How is that more impressive than someone who dominates and sweeps a finals or wins in 5?

Jordan never accomplished a series win being down 3-1.

[Bronbron23]

Jordan never accomplished a series win being down 3-1.

It's probably because when he had a good team he never let them get that far behind.

[Manny98]

Coming back down 3-1 is one of those overrated achievements because it means u went 7 games. How is that more impressive than someone who dominates and sweeps a finals or wins in 5?

It took Curry being hobbled

Draymond suspension

Iggy being hurt

Bogut being injured

Kyrie going crazy in game 5 and hitting the shot of shots in game 7 just for the Cavs to barely win

[GrayGoat]

It took Curry being hobbled

Draymond suspension

Iggy being hurt

Bogut being injured

Kyrie going crazy in game 5 and hitting the shot of shots in game 7 just for the Cavs to barely win

Love was injured. And jr smith was the 3rd option.

[SaintzFury13]

It's probably because when he had a good team he never let them get that far behind.

More likely it's because he never faced a team as good as the 73 win Warriors.

[SATAN]

Kyrie going crazy in game 5 and hitting the shot of shots in game 7 just for the Cavs to barely win

LeBron played better than Kyrie in the 4th quarter.

[SATAN]

All series*

[Kenny Griffin]

Jordan never accomplished a series win being down 3-1.

Jordan's never let his team get down 3-1 when he's had a contender

and if he did I doubt the league would have suspended the other teams best player to make it happen

[8Ball]

Jordan's never let his team get down 3-1 when he's had a contender

and if he did I doubt the league would have suspended the other teams best player to make it happen

Greatest player of all time and only 6/14 he has a contending team?


If Jordan is the GOAT he would have more contending teams than that.


LeBron has had a contending team 11/18 years of his career.

[Bronbron23]

More likely it's because he never faced a team as good as the 73 win Warriors.

He was the 73 win warriors

[2much_knowledge]

No one has indeed. Especially without key suspensions involved.

[FireDavidKahn]

Jordan's never let his team get down 3-1 when he's had a contender

and if he did I doubt the league would have suspended the other teams best player to make it happen

Jordan never faced a caliber of team that LeBron did,

[FireDavidKahn]

Jordan's never let his team get down 3-1 when he's had a contender

and if he did I doubt the league would have suspended the other teams best player to make it happen

Jordan never faced a caliber of team that LeBron did,

[2much_knowledge]

It's probably because when he had a good team he never let them get that far behind.

He didn't have a 3 game losing steak after 1991, period. Being down 3 - 1 in your prime is for mortals.

Jordan is on a different platform

[Shooter]

Jordan never accomplished a series win being down 3-1.

+1

[Spurs m8]

Why is ISH the only place that still cares about LeBron?

Weird

[r15mohd]

Why is ISH the only place that still cares about LeBron?

Weird

because you cant stop posting about him...

[nayte]

This is correct. Dudes in every LeBron thread complaining about him