The 90s Seattle Supersonics were badly weird. Check it out

[Rico2016]

From 1994 to 2008 (their last year before becoming the OKC Thunder) they only made 1 Finals in 96. They also only made 1 conference Finals in that 15 year span as well (again, the one time in 96). It gets much weirder, hang tight and enjoy the adventure!

In 94 they lost in the 1st round, as a ONE seed. To an EIGHT seed. The Might LaPhonso Ellis and Reggie Willliams led Denver Nuggets took down the Sad Super Sonics (Payton, Kemp, Shrempf).

In 95 they lost in the 1st round, as a TWO seed. To a SEVEN seed. The Might Nick Van Excel and Vlade Divac led Los Angeles Lakers took down the Sad Super Sonics (Payton, Kemp, Shrempf).

Then they did the following from 1997 to 2008, over the next 11 years:

6x missed the playoffs completely
2x lost in the 1st round
3x lost in the 2nd round

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

How is any of that "weird"?

Their history is probably greater than half the teams in the league.

[Whoah10115]

In 95 they were the 4th seed.

[Rico2016]

How is any of that "weird"?

Their history is probably greater than half the teams in the league.

Really? One Finals appearance in their whole life? Making the Finals in 1996 and then never even winning a 2nd round in the playoffs for 15 years? That is normal? Losing as a #1 seed to a #8 seed? Losing with 3 all stars to zero in 95?

[iamgine]

Gary Payton didn't show up before '96.

They lost Kemp in '98.

Which explains why they were only decent in '96 and '97.

[Rico2016]

Gary Payton didn't show up before '96.

They lost Kemp in '98.

Which explains why they were only decent in '96 and '97.

Erm, no. Gary Payton was drafted by Seattle in 1991. And Shawn Kemp was drafted by Seattle in 1990. And Detleft Schremp was on the team in 1994.

[SouBeachTalents]

Really? One Finals appearance in their whole life? Making the Finals in 1996 and then never even winning a 2nd round in the playoffs for 15 years? That is normal? Losing as a #1 seed to a #8 seed? Losing with 3 all stars to zero in 95?
Bro, the Clippers have been around for 50 years and have never even made a single conference final

[Rico2016]

Bro, the Clippers have been around for 50 years and have never even made a single conference final

Yeah but no one is on their nuts propping them up as the super mighty team. This Sad Seattle Superchokers was a team of chokers (94 1 seed to 8 seed choke) and (95 lose with 3 all stars to zero) gave MJ more trouble than any team ever.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yeah but no one is on their nuts propping them up as the super mighty team. This Sad Seattle Superchokers was a team of chokers (94 1 seed to 8 seed choke) and (95 lose with 3 all stars to zero) gave MJ more trouble than any team ever.

This inbred thinks all seasons are created equal. :oldlol:

No wonder you think they're "weird". You probably feel similar about half the teams in the league.

[Rico2016]

This inbred thinks all seasons are created equal. :oldlol:

No wonder you think they're "weird". You probably feel similar about half the teams in the league.

I guess one seed losses to 8 seeds, followed by losing with 3 all stars to zero is normal :lol

*whooooosh* over your little head my friend

[Gimmedarock]

I thought Seattle won a title in the 70’s?

[Rico2016]

I thought Seattle won a title in the 70’s?

They did but this is mainly about the 90s Seattle Chockersonics

94: 1 seed loses to 8 seed
95: Have 3 all stars and lose to team with zero all stars
1997-2008: Never get out of 2nd round of playoffs again.

[Roundball_Rock]

They were huge chokers. They had the talent to dominate the West but didn't show up for the playoffs, outside of 96' (the 93' team was a different core--Ricky Pierce was their leading scorer and Payton a role player until 94').


In 94 they lost in the 1st round, as a ONE seed. To an EIGHT seed. The Might LaPhonso Ellis and Reggie Willliams led Denver Nuggets took down the Sad Super Sonics (Payton, Kemp, Shrempf).

An all-time great choke. Kemp was 15/10/3 on 37% as a PF (who didn't shoot threes back then). Payton solid but not great at 16/3/6 (49%). Schrempf led them in scoring.


In 95 they lost in the 1st round, as a TWO seed. To a SEVEN seed. The Might Nick Van Excel and Vlade Divac led Los Angeles Lakers took down the Sad Super Sonics (Payton, Kemp, Shrempf).

It wasn't even close either. The underdog Lakers won 3-1. Payton was outplayed by Nick Van Exel.


They lost Kemp in '98.

They traded him for Vin Baker and won 61 games with Baker versus 57 with Kemp (second round losses both years).

1997 Kemp: 19/10/2 51%
1998 Baker: 19/8/2 54%
1998 Kemp: 18/9/3 45%

Kemp got exposed badly in Cleveland as a #1 option. He put up solid scoring and rebounding numbers but his efficiency was terrible for a PF. He shot 44% as a #1 option in three years in Cleveland after shooting 54% as a #2 in Seattle the previous three seasons.


Yeah but no one is on their nuts propping them up as the super mighty team. This Sad Seattle Superchokers was a team of chokers (94 1 seed to 8 seed choke) and (95 lose with 3 all stars to zero) gave MJ more trouble than any team ever.

With Kemp being the funniest part. As noted above, the "great" Kemp was exposed as a #1 option.

Can you name another team that choked this much, this often that gets lionized? It is agenda driven but they have slim pickings. The Suns were a one hit wonder too. The Lakers, Blazers ran out of gas after their finals against the Bulls. The Jazz were chokers themselves.

[iamgine]

Erm, no. Gary Payton was drafted by Seattle in 1991. And Shawn Kemp was drafted by Seattle in 1990. And Detleft Schremp was on the team in 1994.

As in, didn't show up in the playoff.

[Roundball_Rock]

As in, didn't show up in the playoff.

Look at Payton in the 93' WCF: 12/4/4 on 46%.

Payton was Seattle's 5th leading scorer in the series and even in assists only 3rd.

[Whoah10115]

Cornball way -not too mentioned thinly veiled- of saying LeBron > Jordan.

[Duncan21formvp]

Yeah but no one is on their nuts propping them up as the super mighty team. This Sad Seattle Superchokers was a team of chokers (94 1 seed to 8 seed choke) and (95 lose with 3 all stars to zero) gave MJ more trouble than any team ever.

So 2011 Heat and 2012 Heat were the same? 2013 Heat and 2014 were same? They had same stars each years.

[Rico2016]

Look at Payton in the 93' WCF: 12/4/4 on 46%.

Payton was Seattle's 5th leading scorer in the series and even in assists only 3rd.

This was MJ's toughest opponet?? Like WHAT

[Duncan21formvp]

This was MJ's toughest opponet?? Like WHAT

Lebron's toughest was Carlos Arroyo and he brought home bronze medal in the olympics.

[iamgine]

Look at Payton in the 93' WCF: 12/4/4 on 46%.

Payton was Seattle's 5th leading scorer in the series and even in assists only 3rd.

That wasn't strange though. In '93, Payton was 4th/5th in scoring in his own team. He wasn't the Gary Payton the star yet.

He truly made the leap to stardom only in '95. Kemp left after '97. So their window was only from '95-'97.

[GimmeThat]

seems they correlated height/size with FG by distance, instead the ability to stretch spacing.

in other words, similar to the Seahawks, a QB's ability to run is inherited limited by such mentality.

[Melenaxlc]

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[lucky001]

George Karl is way overrated as a coach. Sonics were a .500 playoff team under his watch.

Good coaches adjust mid game. An average playoff coach will adjust between games. But 1 time coach of the year winner George Karl waited until the series was over to let his best perimeter defender guard mj.

[Melenaxlc]

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[Roundball_Rock]

That wasn't strange though. In '93, Payton was 4th/5th in scoring in his own team. He wasn't the Gary Payton the star yet.

He truly made the leap to stardom only in '95. Kemp left after '97. So their window was only from '95-'97.

True but according to some on ISH Payton was the best perimeter player of the 90's so he has to be held accountable for 93' then. :lol


George Karl is way overrated as a coach. Sonics were a .500 playoff team under his watch.

What can he do if Kemp chokes and Payton is a no show?

[iamgine]

True but according to some on ISH Payton was the best perimeter player of the 90's so he has to be held accountable for 93' then. :lol

Maybe from '95 onwards he was but before that he really wasn't.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

True but according to some on ISH Payton was the best perimeter player of the 90's so he has to be held accountable for 93' then. :lol



What can he do if Kemp chokes and Payton is a no show?

Are you a troll?

[Roundball_Rock]

Maybe from '95 onwards he was but before that he really wasn't.


Basically agree. I would say he was a superstar from 95' on, an all-star in 94' and a role player prior to 94'.

[light]

From 1994 to 2008 (their last year before becoming the OKC Thunder) they only made 1 Finals in 96. They also only made 1 conference Finals in that 15 year span as well (again, the one time in 96). It gets much weirder, hang tight and enjoy the adventure!

In 94 they lost in the 1st round, as a ONE seed. To an EIGHT seed. The Might LaPhonso Ellis and Reggie Willliams led Denver Nuggets took down the Sad Super Sonics (Payton, Kemp, Shrempf).

In 95 they lost in the 1st round, as a TWO seed. To a SEVEN seed. The Might Nick Van Excel and Vlade Divac led Los Angeles Lakers took down the Sad Super Sonics (Payton, Kemp, Shrempf).

Then they did the following from 1997 to 2008, over the next 11 years:

6x missed the playoffs completely
2x lost in the 1st round
3x lost in the 2nd round

What we know now that we didn't know then: Shawn Kemp is not actually that good.

[Roundball_Rock]

What we know now that we didn't know then: Shawn Kemp is not actually that good.

He has to be a candidate for most overrated player of the 90's. Spectacular dunker but he got exposed badly in Cleveland when he had to be a #1 option.

[Melenaxlc]

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It is about advertisement on your website.
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[fsvr54]

They remind me of the lob city clippers of the 90s. Except they actually made the finals.

[Roundball_Rock]

They remind me of the lob city clippers of the 90s. Except they actually made the finals.

They were playing fellow chokers in the WCF that year.

Stockton 9.9/2.9/7.6 on 39.7% in the WCF. For perspective on the level of choking here, he was 14.7/2.8/11.2 on 53.8% for the 96' season. Large drops in scoring, assists, and efficiency.

Malone scored slightly more (27.0 in the WCF versus 25.7 for the season) but his efficiency fell from 55.0% in the season to 47.5%.

[RogueBorg]

So 2011 Heat and 2012 Heat were the same? 2013 Heat and 2014 were same? They had same stars each years.

Using this retards logic....yes

[Roundball_Rock]

So 2011 Heat and 2012 Heat were the same? 2013 Heat and 2014 were same? They had same stars each years.


:coleman:

The Heat featured a declining and aging Wade. Bosh declined as well. Let's put this to the test.

Wade (2011-2014): 26/6/5, 22/5/5, 21/5/5, 19/5/5
Bosh (2011-2014): 19/8/2, 18/8/2, 17/7/2, 16/7/1

Clear, consistent declines and the playoff numbers for both were even worse.

Miami SRS ranks: 1st, 4th, 2nd, 7th

Choppy but the team that started 1st was down to 7th by 14'.

How about Seattle from 1994-1997? I start here because 94' is the first star level season for Payton, who was a role player his first several seasons, and because they had Schrempf by 94'.

Payton (1994-1997): 17/3/6, 21/3/7, 19/4/8, 22/5/7
Kemp (1994-1997): 18/11/3, 19/11/2, 20/11/2, 19/10/2
Schrempf (1994-1997): 15/6/3, 19/6/4, 17/5/2, 17/7/4

So Seattle's stars were showing overall growth over time.

Seattle SRS ranks: 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd

Seattle was consistent in SRS. They appeared to take a step back in 96' but that was because of the Bulls' revival. The Jazz surpassed them by 97'.

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