Which versions of Jordan were as good as 2009 and 2018 Playoff LeBron?

[Jordan96]

I noticed LeBrons PER in 2009 and 2018 playoffs is higher than any of MJs

[knicksman]

1 ring is enough to beat lebron coz all he has are ringchasers rings.

[SATAN]

That 2018 playoff run was one of the greatest things I've ever seen in basketball. The JR moment killed him :facepalm

knicksman is an idiot.

[Jordan96]

That 2018 playoff run was one of the greatest things I've ever seen in basketball. The JR moment killed him :facepalm

knicksman is an idiot.

Meanwhile Jordan at the same age won a Finals with 27/6/4 on 41% and Rodman outplaying the other teams best player :roll:

[Axe]

In 2009 and 2018, bran was the ultimate carrying machine but sadly, one-man army teams barely win all series in the postseason.

[knicksman]

knicksman made me his bitch in the past thats why im still on his leash until now

good that you finally admit brah

[BigShotBob]

Losing to Dwight Howard? :lol

Beating Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown, Victor Oladipo, and Demar and Lousy is worth bragging about now? :roll:

Oh the narratives we spin.

[Jordan96]

Losing to Dwight Howard? :lol

Beating Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown, Victor Oladipo, and Demar and Lousy is worth bragging about now? :roll:

Oh the narratives we spin.

You mean when LeBron swept the same Raptors in 2018 who suddenly became championship level good the next year once LeBron left?

What’s Jordan’s greatest accomplishment? Getting swept in the 1st round while having all stars like Woodridge and George Gervin on his team?

[BigShotBob]

You mean when LeBron swept the same Raptors in 2018 who suddenly became championship level good the next year once LeBron left?

What’s Jordan’s greatest accomplishment? Getting swept in the 1st round while having all stars like Woodridge and George Gervin on his team?

Didn't Lebron miss the playoffs that next year? Oh....must be because he was in the Wild, Wild, West. Anything to duck Kawhi coming to town :oldlol:

We both know MJ had the traveling crack circus on his team, let's be real.

[ThatCoolKid]

In 2009 and 2018, bran was the ultimate carrying machine but sadly, one-man army teams barely win all series in the postseason.

True - Bron did not have good enough teammates. Give Lebron MJ Bull's caliber teammates those years and they may have been Cavs championships. (2018 would still be tough given how good that Warriors team was)

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I noticed LeBrons PER in 2009 and 2018 playoffs is higher than any of MJs

There is no version of Jordan that's as good as LeBron, not unless he grows, learns how to shoot, and becomes smarter.

[BigShotBob]

True - Bron did not have good enough teammates. Give Lebron MJ Bull's caliber teammates those years and they may have been Cavs championships. (2018 would still be tough given how good that Warriors team was)

2011.

[BigShotBob]

There is no version of Jordan that's as good as LeBron, not unless he grows, learns how to shoot, and becomes smarter.

Single dumbest comment I've ever read. Ever.

[ThatCoolKid]

2011.

Irrelevant to my comment.

[PP34Deuce]

I could have sworn these were teams and not just hand picked players to prove a weak argument

[LAmbruh]

LilDickBob having a wet n juicy meltdown :oldlol:

[Jordan96]

Single dumbest comment I've ever read. Ever.

Post their stats

[BigShotBob]

Post their stats

6-0 vs 3-6


LilDickBob having a wet n juicy meltdown :oldlol:

Salt. As seen on the big screen by Angelina Jolie.

[Axe]

There is no version of Jordan that's as good as LeBron, not unless he grows, learns how to shoot, and becomes smarter.
Yet somehow, he didn't have to play as good as bran to win more.

Oh i know. It was because he had good teammates. What a lucky guy mj is.

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Yet somehow, he didn't have to play as good as bran to win more.

Oh i know. It was because he had good teammates. What a lucky guy mj is.

He never played as well as Bran. He was incapable of doing all of the things that LeBron does every single game.

[knicksman]

He never played as well as Bran. He was incapable of doing all of the things that LeBron does every single game.

role players could do what lebron does but only few could do what mj does. Lebron is redundant while mj isnt thats why hes easier to build around and thus 6 rings.

[BigShotBob]

He never played as well as Bran. He was incapable of doing all of the things that LeBron does every single game.

He was definitely incapable of scoring 8 points in a Finals game.

[Rico2016]

None of them. MJ was able to feast on weak opponents, during a watered down era, while operating with a distinct competitive advantage. His burden was less and had MJ ever faced a true deficit he would probably only win one game in 10 tries. Oh wait, he did that.

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role players could do what lebron does but only few could do what mj does. Lebron is redundant while mj isnt thats why hes easier to build around and thus 6 rings.

LeBron would be the best PG, SF, PF and C on all of Jordan's championship teams.

MJ can't hang.

[knicksman]

LeBron would be the best PG, SF, PF and C on all of Jordan's championship teams.

MJ can't hang.

pippen could do what lebron does but lebron couldnt do what jordan does. If its easy its not worth it so why bother playing roles that are easy. Leave it to role players. Only weaklings play the easy roles. Alpha dogs want the toughest role.

[SATAN]

None of them. MJ was able to feast on weak opponents, during a watered down era, while operating with a distinct competitive advantage. His burden was less and had MJ ever faced a true deficit he would probably only win one game in 10 tries. Oh wait, he did that.

:oldlol:

[Rico2016]

pippen could do what lebron does but lebron couldnt do what jordan does. If its easy its not worth it so why bother playing roles that are easy. Leave it to role players. Only weaklings play the easy roles. Alpha dogs want the toughest role.

Allen Iverson and Carmello Anthony could do what MJ does. Give them a Pippen and let's see.

[knicksman]

Allen Iverson and Carmello Anthony could do what MJ does. Give them a Pippen and let's see.

Weve seen kawhi do it. No need for superteams.

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pippen could do what lebron does but lebron couldnt do what jordan does. If its easy its not worth it so why bother playing roles that are easy. Leave it to role players. Only weaklings play the easy roles. Alpha dogs want the toughest role.

Pippen couldnt shoot and he was skinny and weak. He couldnt do what LeBron does.

LeBron handled Jordan's role for all of his championship teams, but he was also the defacto point guard, best big man and top defender perimeter and in the paint.

Jordan was physically incapable of doing what LeBron does. It was literally impossible for him.

[Axe]

None of them. MJ was able to feast on weak opponents, during a watered down era, while operating with a distinct competitive advantage. His burden was less and had MJ ever faced a true deficit he would probably only win one game in 10 tries. Oh wait, he did that.
Lol what a shitty narrative

[knicksman]

Pippen couldnt shoot and he was skinny and weak. He couldnt do what LeBron does.

LeBron handled Jordan's role for all of his championship teams, but he was also the defacto point guard, best big man and top defender perimeter and in the paint.

Jordan was physically incapable of doing what LeBron does. It was literally impossible for him.

because they are easier so he gave it to pippen. Jordan wants the toughest role coz role players cant do what he does. Thats why theres no redundancy between him and pippen. Thats why they fit and won 6. So no matter how many skills lebron has, if theyre easy then theyre useless as pippen have shown he could do what lebron does.

[Rico2016]

because they are easier so he gave it to pippen. Jordan wants the toughest role coz role players cant do what he does. Thats why theres no redundancy between him and pippen. Thats why they fit and won 6. So no matter how many skills lebron has, if theyre easy then theyre useless as pippen have shown he could do what lebron does.

Well LeBron has more 30 point games and more overall points than Jordan so unless you're saying Pippen was a better scorer than Jordan too...?

[Duncan21formvp]

Jordan never lost with HCA, while Lebron lost 3 years in a row with it including to a career loser in Dwight Howard. Lebron also got swept when many considered him the best in the league. Jordan never got swept when he was considered the best in the league. Lebron was also down 3-2 every year of his career including 5 years in a row with HCA.

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because they are easier so he gave it to pippen. Jordan wants the toughest role coz role players cant do what he does. Thats why theres no redundancy between him and pippen. Thats why they fit and won 6. So no matter how many skills lebron has, if theyre easy then theyre useless as pippen have shown he could do what lebron does.

Jordan didn't decide that. Jackson only wanted Jordan doing what he was best at. Jackson preferred other players to handle the other responsibilities because they were better at it.

1991 Bulls Roles:

Offense Initiator: John Paxson
Offense Stabilizer: John Paxson
Top Playmaker: Scottie Pippen
Defensive Quarterback: Scottie Pippen
Go-To Scorer: Michael Jordan
Clutch Scorer: Michael Jordan

LeBron Team Roles:

Offense Initiator: LeBron James
Offense Stabilizer: LeBron James
Top Playmaker: LeBron James
Defensive Quarterback: LeBron James
Go-To Scorer: LeBron James
Clutch Scorer: LeBron James

In terms of responsibility, LeBron does more in 5 minutes than Jordan did in an entire game.

[knicksman]

Jordan didn't decide that. Jackson only wanted Jordan doing what he was best at. Jackson preferred other players to handle the other responsibilities because they were better at it.

1991 Bulls Roles:

Offense Initiator: John Paxson
Offense Stabilizer: John Paxson
Top Playmaker: Scottie Pippen
Defensive Quarterback: Scottie Pippen
Go-To Scorer: Michael Jordan
Clutch Scorer: Michael Jordan

LeBron Team Roles:

Offense Initiator: LeBron James
Offense Stabilizer: LeBron James
Top Playmaker: LeBron James
Defensive Quarterback: LeBron James
Go-To Scorer: LeBron James
Clutch Scorer: LeBron James

In terms of responsibility, LeBron does more in 5 minutes than Jordan did in an entire game.

It was jordan who wanted jackson.

[knicksman]

Well LeBron has more 30 point games and more overall points than Jordan so unless you're saying Pippen was a better scorer than Jordan too...?

Bro I dont have time for trolls.

[Axe]

Jordan didn't decide that. Jackson only wanted Jordan doing what he was best at. Jackson preferred other players to handle the other responsibilities because they were better at it.

1991 Bulls Roles:

Offense Initiator: John Paxson
Offense Stabilizer: John Paxson
Top Playmaker: Scottie Pippen
Defensive Quarterback: Scottie Pippen
Go-To Scorer: Michael Jordan
Clutch Scorer: Michael Jordan

LeBron Team Roles:

Offense Initiator: LeBron James
Offense Stabilizer: LeBron James
Top Playmaker: LeBron James
Defensive Quarterback: LeBron James
Go-To Scorer: LeBron James
Clutch Scorer: LeBron James

In terms of responsibility, LeBron does more in 5 minutes than Jordan did in an entire game.
You do realize that lbj used to have the burden in carrying a team full with bunch of scrubs, right? In fact, he's so burdened to the point that he's acting like his own team's head coach, which only makes ty lue just look like a useless sissy, esp. in 2017 and 2018.

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It was jordan who wanted jackson.

Krause wanted Jackson.

Jordan did not like Jackson. Even after they won the title in 1991 he still ranked his first head coach Kevin Loughery ahead of Jackson because Loughery let him dominate the ball.

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You do realize that lbj used to have the burden in carrying a team full with bunch of scrubs, right? In fact, he's so burdened to the point that he's acting like his own team's head coach, which only makes ty lue just look like a useless sissy, esp. in 2017 and 2018.

Yes, LeBron can carry scrubs to the Finals with regularity. Jordan could not do that even though he tried his hardest.

[Axe]

Yes, LeBron can carry scrubs to the Finals with regularity.
Courtesy of playing in the mediocre conference also

[ThatCoolKid]

Courtesy of playing in the mediocre conference also

Well sure - but his teammates were still scrubs relative to the Eastern Conference. 2018 his second best teammate was George Hill lol

[Axe]

Well sure - but his teammates were still scrubs relative to the Eastern Conference. 2018 his second best teammate was George Hill lol
Lol you seem to forget the fact that this guy also used to play in the all-star game that year.

https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/3449.png

But obviously, he's underperformed tho and became a huge disappointment for the team when heroic efforts mattered the most.

[Rico2016]

Bro I dont have time for trolls.

Shook

[NBAGOAT]

1991, 1993

[Jordan96]

1991, 1993

Post their stats.

[Manny98]

91, that's it

[LostCause]

If you’re using a stat like PER then using similar stats he has a few of them as good or better

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

86-98 Jordan

LeBron has never been a great shooter whether it be from 3 or mid-range,he got a little better at it over the years but for the most part he's streaky.His defense is overrated.He cannot guard all 5 positions,he's never been a great man to man defender and ever since he left Miami his defense rapidly dropped and got worse each season to the point where one of his teammates had to shove him in front of an opposing player,the guy picks and chooses when to play D.

[Roundball_Rock]

Jordan didn't decide that. Jackson only wanted Jordan doing what he was best at. Jackson preferred other players to handle the other responsibilities because they were better at it.

1991 Bulls Roles:

Offense Initiator: John Paxson
Offense Stabilizer: John Paxson
Top Playmaker: Scottie Pippen
Defensive Quarterback: Scottie Pippen
Go-To Scorer: Michael Jordan
Clutch Scorer: Michael Jordan

LeBron Team Roles:

Offense Initiator: LeBron James
Offense Stabilizer: LeBron James
Top Playmaker: LeBron James
Defensive Quarterback: LeBron James
Go-To Scorer: LeBron James
Clutch Scorer: LeBron James

In terms of responsibility, LeBron does more in 5 minutes than Jordan did in an entire game.

Jordan was better at the things he did than LeBron is at the things he does--but LeBron simply is asked to do a lot more for his teams than Jordan was.

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

LeBron refuses to let his teammates play their actual game,he always wants to do it all.Jack of all trades MASTER OF NONE.

[Rico2016]

If youÂ’re using a stat like PER then using similar stats he has a few of them as good or better

Well. No.

https://i.postimg.cc/CLxfLWqb/goat-man.png

Better peak. Better consistency. More times. Equal years. What are you on about? GOAT MAN lives on.

https://i.postimg.cc/44LxwnYh/GOAT-MAN-PIC.png

[3ball]

All of them because MJ always commanded double-teams, so he's better than 09' Bron... And he never held tge ball for 11 minutes a game like 18' Lebron so his team never got massively out-assisted or beat by record amount

Stan said they "let him (Bron) dribble and get stats"... Kerr also didn't double lebron

No wonder his teammates didn't play that well because teams stay at home - they play an adjustment-less style against Lebron's long-dribbling and weak jumpshooting - it would be dumb to get the ball out his hands

[Rico2016]

Well. No.

https://i.postimg.cc/CLxfLWqb/goat-man.png

Better peak. Better consistency. More times. Equal years. What are you on about? GOAT MAN lives on.

https://i.postimg.cc/44LxwnYh/GOAT-MAN-PIC.png

3ball?

[LostCause]

Well. No.

https://i.postimg.cc/CLxfLWqb/goat-man.png

Better peak. Better consistency. More times. Equal years. What are you on about? GOAT MAN lives on.

https://i.postimg.cc/44LxwnYh/GOAT-MAN-PIC.png

Stats LIKE PER

Jordan has the all time highest GameScore for a playoff run, and litters the Top 10. You guys almost worship GameScore from what I’ve seen, and it’s just a simplified version of PER

[3ball]

Well. No.

https://i.postimg.cc/CLxfLWqb/goat-man.png

Better peak. Better consistency. More times. Equal years. What are you on about? GOAT MAN lives on.

https://i.postimg.cc/44LxwnYh/GOAT-MAN-PIC.png

^^^ Record losing vs record winning

Lebron's top PER's are record losses (14', 18') and record upsets (09')

So they were stat-padding drills and can't be compared to the goat winning that MJ's top PER's had in 91' and 93', and also 90' (basically beating Pistons with nothing except migraine pip)

And MJ is #1 all-time in PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP seasons and PPG (goat stats)... And he has the most rings as the best player in modern era/3-pointer basketball (goat winning)