Who will be known as the president of 100 + thousand that died from corona

[Walk on Water]

100,000 people have died from the coronavirus. Congratulations Donald Trump. You can say that this happened under your reign. It’s now part of your resume and what you’ll best be known for. Great job Donald, great job.

[Cleverness]

In 2017 he hospitalized 959,000 Americans from the seasonal flu.

This year is actually a great improvement; high estimates have COVID hospitalizations at 190,000 thus far.

[PistolPete]

A different President would have had how many Covid deaths under their reign?

[Phong]

0.03% of the US population. The end of time is near!

[Nanners]

Right... just like everyone remembers Woodrow Wilson as the president of 675k spanish flu deaths

[jstern]

This is one of the rare times that I disagree with Walk on Water. The last time being when the Corona was a new phenomenon and he was talking about how serious of a problem it was, and that we should even suspend the NBA season. He was right, even got his thread deleted for talking such "nonsense." But he was right, I was wrong.

He's right about the 100,000 deaths, but Trump won't be remembered for this, because it could had been much worse. But Walk on Water has a knack for these things, so who knows.

Woodrow Wilson lost 675 thousand American due to the Spanish flu, but you know what? He wasn't promoting social distancing, took the proper measures the way Trump did with the Chinese flu. If Wilson did, then the number of American deaths would had been much lower.

[imdaman99]

I don't agree with the media villifying him for every little thing that he does. He's far from perfect but he's hardly the devil they portray him out to be.
At the same time, no not every thing he does is 4D chess either :lol You have to think that the stress that came with the job lowered his lifespan.

[bladefd]

Trump is toast on November 3rd. The ads they will be running against him where he is downplaying coronavirus from end of January to Mid-March is going to be brutal.

[Nanners]

Trump is toast on November 3rd. The ads they will be running against him where he is downplaying coronavirus from end of January to Mid-March is going to be brutal.

Its def possible that Trump will be toast, but I wouldnt bank on that.

As far as ads on concerned, Trump has raised $262m vs Bidens $174m - so for each ad purchased by Biden, Trump has that much more money to spend on ads about how Biden is a rapist, or how Biden thinks black people arent black if they dont vote for him... or anything else that highlights any of Bidens countless gaffes...

[Walk on Water]

Nobody is going to forget the coronavirus. They will forget many of Trumps other actions over time. But whenever people look back one day at the virus, Trump is gonna be the connection to it. Remember Trump suggested this virus would go away in April like a miracle. When we had 15 deaths, he actually tried to convince us that we could have no more.

Trump will definitely go down synonymously with the corona. The Democrats entire strategy at the election will revolve around the corona.

[Nanners]

Nobody is going to forget the coronavirus. They will forget many of Trumps other actions over time. But whenever people look back one day at the virus, Trump is gonna be the connection to it. Remember Trump suggested this virus would go away in April like a miracle. When we had 15 deaths, he actually tried to convince us that we could have no more.

Of course people wont forget the virus, but the part they will remember is the absurd idea to quarantine healthy folks, and the forced lockdowns that were only ever particularly strict in blue states... they wont remember the deaths of some geezers in nursing homes.

TBH its kind of hilarious that people think that Biden will just win by default... how did that line of thinking work out for "the most qualified candidate of all time" back in 2016? One would think that the dems would have some humility after they suffered the biggest political embarrassment of all time in 2016... but rather than embracing humility, the dems have doubled down on their smug and conceited self-superiority narratives... what could go wrong?

Anyway, I would bet the farm that when its all said and done, the idea that Biden has been doing himself any favors over the past 2.5 months that hes been hiding in his basement will be looked upon as completely laughable... no doubt thats what the american people want for president - a racist and rapist with dementia who hides in his basement while this country is in crisis and desperate for anything resembling steady leadership.


Trump will definitely go down synonymously with the corona. The Democrats entire strategy at the election will revolve around the corona.

Trumps strategy will involve corona too, he is going to point to states like NY that got hammered by the virus because of decisions made by their sauce monkey dem governor (putting sick people into nursing homes), and he is going to point to states like CA where dem governors and mayors have treated their residents like children - enacting some of the strictest lockdowns in the entire nation, forcing small businesses to shutter indefinitely while big business continues as usual, forcing everyone to wear a mask in public... especially as silicon valley businesses start moving to states like Texas, and the hollywood studios continue moving to states like Georgia.

Michigan has had one of the strictest lockdowns in the nation, they also have one of the highest rates of unemployment and their people know damn well that the gov doesnt give a shit about saving lives (ffs its been 6 years and the water in flint is STILL poisoned)... but Biden (who wrote the crime bill that mass incarcerated blacks and was instrumental in NAFTA) will win the state because of Corona... LOL

[TheMan]

Its def possible that Trump will be toast, but I wouldnt bank on that.

As far as ads on concerned, Trump has raised $262m vs Bidens $174m - so for each ad purchased by Biden, Trump has that much more money to spend on ads about how Biden is a rapist, or how Biden thinks black people arent black if they dont vote for him... or anything else that highlights any of Bidens countless gaffes...
Over 100K deaths bro, and mostly affecting Trump's biggest base, old people? Trump is toast, especially if the virus isn't under control and we have spikes and with a tanked economy to boot? It won't be so much that people want Biden, is that people won't want Trump. Whenever an incumbent runs, it's basically a referendum on them. People already have made up their minds that he fukked up on the response to this pandemic...

[Nanners]

Over 100K deaths bro, and mostly affecting Trump's biggest base, old people? Trump is toast, especially if the virus isn't under control and we have spikes and with a tanked economy to boot?

:oldlol:

you keep telling yourself that


It won't be so much that people want Biden, is that people won't want Trump. Whenever an incumbent runs, it's basically a referendum on them. People already have made up their minds that he fukked up on the response to this pandemic...

Great point, totally explains why John "snoozefest" Kerry beat GW Bush in 2004 after the public had turned against the war in Iraq.

Like I said, its def possible that Biden beats Trump... but anybody who is banking on that is setting themselves up for a repeat of 2016.

[TheMan]

:oldlol:

you keep telling yourself that



Great point, totally explains why John "snoozefest" Kerry beat GW Bush in 2004 after the public had turned against the war in Iraq.

Like I said, its def possible that Biden beats Trump... but anybody who is banking on that is setting themselves up for a repeat of 2016.

People hadn't entirely turned on the Iraq War by 2004, bro. GWB ran on voting for him was supporting the troops...that's why the Dems picked a decorated Vietnam vet, so they wouldn't be seen as weak. Opposition to the war by a majority of the American people set in well into Dubya's second term.

100K and a trashed economy when Trump spent weeks saying everything was under control...it won't matter who the Dems run lol

[bobopenguin]

Op has spelled xi jin pin wrong.

[Nanners]

People hadn't entirely turned on the Iraq War by 2004, bro. GWB ran on voting for him was supporting the troops...that's why the Dems picked a decorated Vietnam vet, so they wouldn't be seen as weak. Opposition to the war by a majority of the American people set in well into Dubya's second term.

No shit, and people havent entirely turned against Trump either... his current approval rating is just one or two points off of his all time high


100K and a trashed economy when Trump spent weeks saying everything was under control...it won't matter who the Dems run lol

:roll:

you are 100% correct... not a single person cares about the fact that biden is a racist rapist who cant complete a sentence without forgetting what he is talking about... no doubt everyone is going to vote for a guy with dementia who has spent the past ~2.5 months bravely hiding in his basement.

[TheMan]

No shit, and people havent entirely turned against Trump either... his current approval rating is just one or two points off of his all time high



:roll:

you are 100% correct... not a single person cares about the fact that biden is a racist rapist who cant complete a sentence without forgetting what he is talking about... no doubt everyone is going to vote for a guy with dementia who has spent the past ~2.5 months bravely hiding in his basement.
I guess we'll have to wait and see which one of us is correct come Nov.

BTW, Trump has been accused of racism and of sexually assaulting women...also rambling incoherently too :oldlol:

[Nanners]

I guess we'll have to wait and see which one of us is correct come Nov.

For the third time, its def possible that Biden beats Trump... I am not making any election predictions here


BTW, Trump has been accused of racism and of sexually assaulting women...also rambling incoherently too :oldlol:

The difference is that Trump is racist/rapist running inside of a party that has no problem with racism or sex assault, while Biden is a racist/rapist running inside the party of #blacklivesmatter and #metoo. The dems cant claim to be the lesser of two evils if their candidate is a direct contradiction of the moral stances the party has taken over the past couple years.

Do you not know what the word "incoherent" means? Trump definitely rambles, but hes rarely incoherent.

[ZenMaster]

TheMan I think you're really just confirming his own beliefs here.
For months now, leftist here have been trying to make covid19 = Trump and this thread serves as their own stamp of approval that they were right. It's only for themselves though, as the people here on this board who were in support of Trump before, still are.
General data points shows the same, as Nanners pointed out, Trumps approval rating hasn't dropped in any significant way, despite all the ways Trump has been framed negatively by the media, democrat politicians and celebrities throughout the crisis.

[Nanners]

For months now, leftist here have been trying to make covid19 = Trump and this thread serves as their own stamp of approval that they were right.

Ultimately, I think that blaming covid on Trump is going to backfire on an epic scale. Trump left most of the decisions regarding lockdowns up to the individual states, and 5/5 of the states with the most cases and 6/8 of the states with the most deaths are blue states. I'll be shocked if either Cuomo or Newsom get another term after this one.

Why would New Yorkers blame Trump for Covid, when Luigi Cuomo has been running the state with an iron fist since his lockdowns began (Cuomo also forced nursing homes to house patients who had tested positive for covid, which is believed to have caused ~5000 deaths... but yeah this is all Trumps fault). Are these Jabronies really going to try to blame Trump for the fact that NY has ~25% of the nations covid deaths despite having just 0.06% of the nations population?

[ZenMaster]

Ultimately, I think that blaming covid on Trump is going to backfire on an epic scale. Trump left most of the decisions regarding lockdowns up to the individual states, and 5/5 of the states with the most cases and 6/8 of the states with the most deaths are blue states. I'll be shocked if either Cuomo or Newsom get another term after this one.

Why would New Yorkers blame Trump for Covid, when Luigi Cuomo has been running the state with an iron fist since his lockdowns began (Cuomo also forced nursing homes to house patients who had tested positive for covid, which is believed to have caused ~5000 deaths... but yeah this is all Trumps fault). Are these Jabronies really going to try to blame Trump for the fact that NY has ~25% of the nations covid deaths despite having just 0.06% of the nations population?

Well, they are definitely trying hard.

I get too hung up on it sometimes, but the communication the last few weeks worry me. All the TV adds talking about tough times, that's going to make it sit with people for longer. Then there's all the media and how they're talking to people, like the anchor in the clip where they were shaming people for not wearing masks while not doing it themselves either. To sit there and ask "do they not care about their or others health", this provocative and loaded question, not asked to any person specifically but her own reporter. It's pure social engineering and I can't believe it's allowed on air.
It reminds me of the Stephen Miller/Jim Acosta clip, where Acosta used the same loaded technique in a questino to try and create outrage, but where Miller smug as hell could shove it back in his face.


https://youtu.be/6Z-tOhfpEow?t=203

[MrFonzworth]

Holy shit OP brings some discussion. No wonder Uncle J keeps him around.

[PistolPete]

Nobody is going to forget the coronavirus. They will forget many of Trumps other actions over time. But whenever people look back one day at the virus, Trump is gonna be the connection to it. Remember Trump suggested this virus would go away in April like a miracle. When we had 15 deaths, he actually tried to convince us that we could have no more.

Trump will definitely go down synonymously with the corona. The Democrats entire strategy at the election will revolve around the corona.

Answer my question bitch boy. How many deaths would we have had under a different President?

[Norcaliblunt]

This election is a win/win because I’ll be happy making fun of the supporters of whoever loses. Both are despicable.

[Rocket]

100,000 people have died from the coronavirus. Congratulations Donald Trump. You can say that this happened under your reign. It’s now part of your resume and what you’ll best be known for. Great job Donald, great job.

43% of that count died in nursing homes from decisions made by complete idiot incompetent governors like Cuomo to put infected people in nursing homes. Trump has done everything he possibly can do. When he first initiated the travel ban from China on 1/31/20 he was accused by the media and the idiot left of being a racist and a xenophobe. Everyone on the left and the media was claiming the virus was just the flu at worst. Even Dr. Fauci was saying it was like the flu. It wasn't until about 6 weeks later in mid-march did the left and the media flip the script and start pushing the Coronapocoplypse. Also, China had banned all travel from the epicenter Wuhan to the rest of China but let anyone in Wuhan fly internationally effectively spreading this virus to the entire world. the so called World Health Organization (WHO) went along with China giving them cover for everything they did. If you want to place blame for this then look at the terrible way China handled this and the WHO for carrying China's water. Anyone with half a brain who is not led by the nose by the mainstream media can see Trump has done a good job here getting resources to states that needed them, etc.... Use your brain for once and do not fall prey to whatever bullshit narrative the mainstream media(aka the propaganda arm of the left) happens to be pushing on any given day.

[PistolPete]

43% of that count died in nursing homes from decisions made by complete idiot incompetent governors like Cuomo to put infected people in nursing homes. Trump has done everything he possibly can do. When he first initiated the travel ban from China on 1/31/20 he was accused by the media and the idiot left of being a racist and a xenophobe. Everyone on the left and the media was claiming the virus was just the flu at worst. Even Dr. Fauci was saying it was like the flu. It wasn't until about 6 weeks later in mid-march did the left and the media flip the script and start pushing the Coronapocoplypse. Also, China had banned all travel from the epicenter Wuhan to the rest of China but let anyone in Wuhan fly internationally effectively spreading this virus to the entire world. the so called World Health Organization (WHO) went along with China giving them cover for everything they did. If you want to place blame for this then look at the terrible way China handled this and the WHO for carrying China's water. Anyone with half a brain who is not led by the nose by the mainstream media can see Trump has done a good job here getting resources to states that needed them, etc.... Use your brain for once and do not fall prey to whatever bullshit narrative the mainstream media(aka the propaganda arm of the left) happens to be pushing on any given day.

You're asking for too much.

[TheMan]

TheMan I think you're really just confirming his own beliefs here.
For months now, leftist here have been trying to make covid19 = Trump and this thread serves as their own stamp of approval that they were right. It's only for themselves though, as the people here on this board who were in support of Trump before, still are.
General data points shows the same, as Nanners pointed out, Trumps approval rating hasn't dropped in any significant way, despite all the ways Trump has been framed negatively by the media, democrat politicians and celebrities throughout the crisis.

Fortunately, hardcore Trump supporters can't vote him in by themselves. Those of us who can see him as the incompetent blowhard he is realize he got a lot of soft support from independents who held their noses in voting for him last time because they couldn't stand Hillary either...Biden is not disliked nowhere near the level Trump and Hillary are. That alone makes a big difference. And this is where Trump being big mouth and constantly on Twitter like a teenage girl will bite him in the ass...there is a treasure trove of statements saying this pandemic basically would amount to nothing, everything is under control, it would disappear someday like nothing...look, fair or not, ultimately people will blame the dude at the top for the state the country is. Carter got the blame for a lot of shit that was out of his control and got dumped, same for GHWB. 100k deaths and a trashed economy? The people will tell Trump "you're fired" this Nov, especially like I stated before that we have coronavirus spikes leading up to the election...

Biden is NOT an exciting candidate, people won't be rushing to vote for him, but he doesn't need a huge turnout to win. He just needs to have enough people who do vote think Trump failed miserably with the biggest crisis this nation has faced since WWII...it also helps tremendously being an old white dude too :lol

[~primetime~]

Trump has been extra active on Twitter lately...more than usual. Honestly I think we are so used to it that we don't even realize just how much damn time he spends tweeting. He has also gotten into the habit of retweeting more than he used to, sometimes he retweets very random shit too. Which means he is spending a lot of time just surfing Twitter. I bet most of his staff and those around him just see him looking at his phone all day.

He already has 27 tweets this morning...it's 10:30 AM CT

https://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/article/110389-two/President-Trump-rebuts-the-use-of-unsecured-personal-iPhone...-from-an-iPhone.jpg


^^^ if Hollywood ever creates "Trump the Movie" the whole movie would just look like that

[RRR3]

For the third time, its def possible that Biden beats Trump... I am not making any election predictions here



The difference is that Trump is racist/rapist running inside of a party that has no problem with racism or sex assault, while Biden is a racist/rapist running inside the party of #blacklivesmatter and #metoo. The dems cant claim to be the lesser of two evils if their candidate is a direct contradiction of the moral stances the party has taken over the past couple years.

Do you not know what the word "incoherent" means? Trump definitely rambles, but hes rarely incoherent.
Bingo.

[Walk on Water]

Ultimately, I think that blaming covid on Trump is going to backfire on an epic scale. Trump left most of the decisions regarding lockdowns up to the individual states, and 5/5 of the states with the most cases and 6/8 of the states with the most deaths are blue states. I'll be shocked if either Cuomo or Newsom get another term after this one.

Why would New Yorkers blame Trump for Covid, when Luigi Cuomo has been running the state with an iron fist since his lockdowns began (Cuomo also forced nursing homes to house patients who had tested positive for covid, which is believed to have caused ~5000 deaths... but yeah this is all Trumps fault). Are these Jabronies really going to try to blame Trump for the fact that NY has ~25% of the nations covid deaths despite having just 0.06% of the nations population?


When Cuomo sent them to nursing homes he didn’t know they had covid.

[Walk on Water]

43% of that count died in nursing homes from decisions made by complete idiot incompetent governors like Cuomo to put infected people in nursing homes. Trump has done everything he possibly can do. When he first initiated the travel ban from China on 1/31/20 he was accused by the media and the idiot left of being a racist and a xenophobe. Everyone on the left and the media was claiming the virus was just the flu at worst. Even Dr. Fauci was saying it was like the flu. It wasn't until about 6 weeks later in mid-march did the left and the media flip the script and start pushing the Coronapocoplypse. Also, China had banned all travel from the epicenter Wuhan to the rest of China but let anyone in Wuhan fly internationally effectively spreading this virus to the entire world. the so called World Health Organization (WHO) went along with China giving them cover for everything they did. If you want to place blame for this then look at the terrible way China handled this and the WHO for carrying China's water. Anyone with half a brain who is not led by the nose by the mainstream media can see Trump has done a good job here getting resources to states that needed them, etc.... Use your brain for once and do not fall prey to whatever bullshit narrative the mainstream media(aka the propaganda arm of the left) happens to be pushing on any given day.


Even if what you said is true, 57 percent were not in nursing homes. And Trump wanted to open on Easter. People will also die from the partial reopening which he is strongly encouraging.

And also you do realize a second wave is coming right? Will Trump be ready for the spike? Or will he continue his ways?

[PistolPete]

Hey bitch boy don't dodge the question. How many would have died from this virus under a different President?

[highwhey]

Hey bitch boy don't dodge the question. How many would have died from this virus under a different President?

:oldlol:

[TheMan]

Bingo.

Lol, yeah that higher moral standards by Democrats stopped them from voting for Bill Clinton...twice :oldlol:

[Walk on Water]

Hey bitch boy don't dodge the question. How many would have died from this virus under a different President?


Best case? No deaths

[PistolPete]

Best case? No deaths

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d2b976f1dabd8915e7967d2f9cda171a/tenor.gif

[TheMan]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d2b976f1dabd8915e7967d2f9cda171a/tenor.gif
Your boy at first said that there would be no deaths, then he said 60,000 would be a great job...we're at 100k so by what he said, I guess he hasn't done a great job...

Trump... you're fired! :lol

[PistolPete]

Your boy at first said that there would be no deaths, then he said 60,000 would be a great job...we're at 100k so by what he said, I guess he hasn't done a great job...

Trump... you're fired! :lol

What happened to 2.2 million dead Americans? Huh?

[TheMan]

What happened to 2.2 million dead Americans? Huh?

Lol, if it reaches that, he'll just move the goalposts and you'll go right along with it like the good little sheep you are :lol

[PistolPete]

Lol, if it reaches that, he'll just move the goalposts and you'll go right along with it like the good little sheep you are :lol

Use logic bro. That was the estimate prior to Trump putting into the place the measures he put in. But that's not good enough for the TDS snowflakes. Had one person died from this virus, Trump would still be vilified. Because the lot of you don't care about facts or successes under Trump. You just want to bring the man down. It's what you live for. When was the last time you paid attention to your wife and kids versus obsessing over Trump?

[Walk on Water]

What happened to 2.2 million dead Americans? Huh?

Pistol Pete, you’re gonna base a model to evaluate Trump? America has more deaths than any other country and this virus was already in China months before. Yes he did have time. He issued a travel ban to Asia, but there was even more in Europe so he should have issued a travel ban from Europe too.

Also this is not over. 100 k and counting. Is Trump ready for the 2nd wave of this virus?

[PistolPete]

Pistol Pete, you’re gonna base a model to evaluate Trump? America has more deaths than any other country and this virus was already in China months before. Yes he did have time. He issued a travel ban to Asia, but there was even more in Europe so he should have issued a travel ban from Europe too.

Also this is not over. 100 k and counting. Is Trump ready for the 2nd wave of this virus?


He did you blithering idiot. On March 11th.

Do you just blindly hate Trump and talk about things you're clueless on because your Liberal Media overlords tell you to??

[Walk on Water]

He did you blithering idiot. On March 11th.

Do you just blindly hate Trump and talk about things you're clueless on because your Liberal Media overlords tell you to??

He should have done it sooner. This virus was around for a long time and he had the inside information.

[Walk on Water]

By the way guys it’s not 100,000 anymore it’s 102,000.

Flattened the curve huh? And the fall is gonna be unprecedented.

[bladefd]

Its def possible that Trump will be toast, but I wouldnt bank on that.

As far as ads on concerned, Trump has raised $262m vs Bidens $174m - so for each ad purchased by Biden, Trump has that much more money to spend on ads about how Biden is a rapist, or how Biden thinks black people arent black if they dont vote for him... or anything else that highlights any of Bidens countless gaffes...

Trump talking about Biden's transgressions is pot calling the kettle black. Everyone knows what Trump said about grabbing women by the pu$$y, all the many lawsuits by women he has had over the decades.

Biden already has overwhelming black support. He is not losing that. Obama and others from black community campaigning on Biden's behalf is going to be big.

The gaffes could be a problem for Biden. Trump campaign is trying to draw Biden as a senile old man with dementia. That is going to be tough one, but the benefit is that is coming from Trump. Trump has tweeted and said tons of stupid foolish nonsense. Biden campaign will strike right back. The debates is what Biden should be challenging though and Biden needs to be working on that regularly.

[rawimpact]

Trump campaign is trying to draw Biden as a senile old man with dementia. T

You're joking right? All of the senile fire that's available for trump hasnt even been touched. Biden is seriously displaying that himself whenever he talks... trumps not forcing him to say anything.

[dreamshake]

"I think right now we are heading at probably around 60,000, maybe 65,000," Trump said.

America surpassed 100000 yesterday, and it’s still climbing every day. Not a good look for someone in such a position to play it down.

[Draz]

Its def possible that Trump will be toast, but I wouldnt bank on that.

As far as ads on concerned, Trump has raised $262m vs Bidens $174m - so for each ad purchased by Biden, Trump has that much more money to spend on ads about how Biden is a rapist, or how Biden thinks black people arent black if they dont vote for him... or anything else that highlights any of Bidens countless gaffes...

I don't think any President has successfully won an election when the economy is in a recession or recession-like percentages. If SOMEHOW he's able to bring back the economy from down under AND we have a vaccine before 11/3 it is a possibility he MAY be in the runnings but he IS the underdog right now and to think otherwise is hilarious.

Also, Biden is pulling his weight. Regardless of who thinks what of him, he stole it from Bernie and it's scary. If he selects Warren as his VP it'll take him over the threshold.

Aren't the Dem's 4 seats away from taking the Senate? (3 if the VP is a DEM to break the tie). Republicans have a LOT to rethink come presidency and senate runnings. They're prone to be the minority if they don't change course.

[bladefd]

You're joking right? All of the senile fire that's available for trump hasnt even been touched. Biden is seriously displaying that himself whenever he talks... trumps not forcing him to say anything.

Biden has had plenty of gaffes. That is why I said the gaffes could be a bad look for Biden if the case is being made that he has dementia. It is going to be a tough one for Biden to get past that as I said, but he can. Just flip the script on Trump by pointing out crazy Trump tweets and stupid things he has said (such as asking his cabinet guy to look into using disinfectants inside people's organs).

[Walk on Water]

Trumps best selling point was the economy.

He doesn’t have that going for him. Excuse is corona? And whose fault is that?

[Draz]

Biden has had plenty of gaffes. That is why I said the gaffes could be a bad look for Biden if the case is being made that he has dementia. It is going to be a tough one for Biden to get past that as I said, but he can. Just flip the script on Trump by pointing out crazy Trump tweets and stupid things he has said (such as asking his cabinet guy to look into using disinfectants inside people's organs).

I don't think anyone is voting for Biden because of his mental state of mind right now, they're purely voting to get R's out the office and Biden's VP in. This is an important time where the VP will be the most vital and valuable selection in history and moving forward for the next 4 years. Dem's are back on the chopping block if Biden wins because he barely has to offer 4 years so we're full cycle to what can happen next election.

[tpols]

Trumps best selling point was the economy.

He doesn’t have that going for him. Excuse is corona? And whose fault is that?

Key big Dem states overplaying it caused the economy to crash.

100% political.

[Patrick Chewing]

He should have done it sooner. This virus was around for a long time and he had the inside information.

I got the inside information Trump is going to win in a landslide in 2020. And you'll be crying for another 4 years.

[Walk on Water]

I got the inside information Trump is going to win in a landslide in 2020. And you'll be crying for another 4 years.

He was already made a fool out of these 4 years and didn’t even win the popular vote.

[dreamshake]

I got the inside information Trump is going to win in a landslide in 2020. And you'll be crying for another 4 years.

Oh you got the inside information right, you got Trump’s long duck dong down your throat.

[Patrick Chewing]

Let's make a bet you two.

[Rocket]

Even if what you said is true, 57 percent were not in nursing homes. And Trump wanted to open on Easter. People will also die from the partial reopening which he is strongly encouraging.

And also you do realize a second wave is coming right? Will Trump be ready for the spike? Or will he continue his ways?

This is becoming a real binary choice. Either we stay in lockdown which will bring on the worst depression in history for which we likely never recover causing the collapse of this country or we all get off of our asses and go back to work. There is no money fairy that will save us. We are 25 trillion in debt now. We cannot afford to fund endless bailouts. It is time to go back to work. Yes, people may die from the virus but we know who is most vulnerable. We can protect the vulnerable. It is important to realize that if this country fails due to an economic collapse we are all screwed.

[Walk on Water]

This is becoming a real binary choice. Either we stay in lockdown which will bring on the worst depression in history for which we likely never recover causing the collapse of this country or we all get off of our asses and go back to work. There is no money fairy that will save us. We are 25 trillion in debt now. We cannot afford to fund endless bailouts. It is time to go back to work. Yes, people may die from the virus but we know who is most vulnerable. We can protect the vulnerable. It is important to realize that if this country fails due to an economic collapse we are all screwed.

If Trump acted sooner and stricter we would have put ourselves in good position

[SATAN]

Just go the herd immunity approach and wipe out another couple million. :applause:

[bobopenguin]

somehow i feel this thread has been diverted that to shift all balmes to usa president rather than actual cause, China & WHO.

[bobopenguin]

If Trump acted sooner and stricter we would have put ourselves in good position

trump/usa is the first bunch to shut down the fly to enter USA back in Jan.

[SATAN]

somehow i feel this thread has been diverted that to shift all balmes to usa president rather than actual cause, China & WHO.

Trump has handled it poorly regardless of where it started.

[Long Duck Dong]

2020

Trump is toast on November 3rd. The ads they will be running against him where he is downplaying coronavirus from end of January to Mid-March is going to be brutal.

2016:


Trump is all but on the ropes at this point. I don't even think he has a play out of this. What can he possibly do to win back the independents and many women especially? He would need something equally damning or worse. Even if he found something like that, the damage has been done. There is truly nothing he can do to truly turn the campaign around.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?418962-The-BigAss-Politics-Thread-XII-VP-debate-and-our-first-October-surprise/page34

[bobopenguin]

Trump has handled it poorly regardless of where it started.

yes, he did, did boris johnson did any better? did itay? did brazil? did russia? dont forget majority was due to WHO sent out wrong signal, and the root of the problem, china.
u cant just "regardless where it all started". if u dont deal with problem's origin, it will come back again.

and another part of problem, u guys dont care/dont want/dont follow the social distancing/mask rule. stop fking bitching about government when most of ppl just wanna party at beach.

[SATAN]

I take my social distancing very seriously, thank you very much.

[Patrick Chewing]

2020


2016:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?418962-The-BigAss-Politics-Thread-XII-VP-debate-and-our-first-October-surprise/page34


https://media1.giphy.com/media/8UGoOaR1lA1uaAN892/giphy.gif


Poor blade just doesn't learn. He swallows L's like a champ.

[bobopenguin]

I take my social distancing very seriously, thank you very much.

well i saw so many protester last few days, they dont even wanna wear fking mask, same as fking looters, as if cvoid19's gone already.
wear the fking mask when u go out.

[Cleverness]

TheMan, bladefd, and the rest of you who think we "failed" to combat the virus.

https://twitter.com/barackobama/status/1238238576141352966?lang=en

Our goal is to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. The data shows we have been largely successful at achieving that goal. To put things into perspective, here is the data:

35,000,000 to 37,000,000 hospitalizations per year in the USA (Source: Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/459718/total-hospital-admission-number-in-the-us/))

959,000 hospitalizations in 2017-2018 flu season. (Source: CDC) (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018/archive.htm#ref1)

Lab-confirmed COVID hospitalizations 22,060. (Source: CDC) (https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html)
High-end estimation for COVID hospitalizations is 194,000. (Source: COVID Tracking Project (https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_coronavirus_hospitalizations))

Since we know COVID mainly hurts old/frail, you have to wonder how many of those old/frail/sick people would have been hospitalized this year anyway. For instance, 43% of USA COVID deaths are from nursing homes (Source (https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2020/05/26/nursing-homes-assisted-living-facilities-0-6-of-the-u-s-population-43-of-u-s-covid-19-deaths/)). From day 1, nursing home residents have a median lifespan of 5 months. (Source (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2945440/): NIH)

In most states, about 3% to 4% of their hospital beds are being used by COVID patients.

The battle with COVID was won, but media can't accept it.

[TheMan]

somehow i feel this thread has been diverted that to shift all balmes to usa president rather than actual cause, China & WHO.
China no doubt acted criminally negligent, they knew this shit was bad news, they locked down travel out of Wuhan to other Chinese cities but kept letting infected people leave Wuhan to other parts of the world...they need to pay a heavy price for that after this is all said and done.

Trump's number one job as POTUS is to look after the security of the American people and 100k deaths later and rising, he failed miserably. He must be removed from office in November, he is a danger to our safety.

[TheMan]

TheMan, bladefd, and the rest of you who think we "failed" to combat the virus.

https://twitter.com/barackobama/status/1238238576141352966?lang=en

Our goal is to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. The data shows we have been largely successful at achieving that goal. To put things into perspective, here is the data:

35,000,000 to 37,000,000 hospitalizations per year in the USA (Source: Statista (https://www.statista.com/statistics/459718/total-hospital-admission-number-in-the-us/))

959,000 hospitalizations in 2017-2018 flu season. (Source: CDC) (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018/archive.htm#ref1)

Lab-confirmed COVID hospitalizations 22,060. (Source: CDC) (https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html)
High-end estimation for COVID hospitalizations is 194,000. (Source: COVID Tracking Project (https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_coronavirus_hospitalizations))

Since we know COVID mainly hurts old/frail, you have to wonder how many of those old/frail/sick people would have been hospitalized this year anyway. For instance, 43% of USA COVID deaths are from nursing homes (Source (https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2020/05/26/nursing-homes-assisted-living-facilities-0-6-of-the-u-s-population-43-of-u-s-covid-19-deaths/)). From day 1, nursing home residents have a median lifespan of 5 months. (Source (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2945440/): NIH)

In most states, about 3% to 4% of their hospital beds are being used by COVID patients.

The battle with COVID was won, but media can't accept it.

We easily have the most Covid19 deaths by far, and it's still climbing with maybe an even deadlier second wave coming up in the fall (if the Spanish flu is any indication). Trump will pay for all his happy talk and minimizing how deadly this virus could be, oh the ads the Dems will run using his own words, including the bits about hydroxychloroquine and injecting disenfectants :oldlol:

[Cleverness]

We easily have the most Covid19 deaths by far, and it's still climbing with maybe an even deadlier second wave coming up in the fall (if the Spanish flu is any indication). Trump will pay for all his happy talk and minimizing how deadly this virus could be, oh the ads the Dems will run using his own words, including the bits about hydroxychloroquine and injecting disenfectants :oldlol:

Did you even read my post? Do you understand the tweet by Barack Obama? The goal, as clearly stated by Barack Obama in March, is to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed by flattening the curve. The area under the curve stays the same.

We have more confirmed deaths because of several reasons, none of which have anything to do with Trump:

1. We are the largest country in the world that, for the most part, accurately reports our data. The two countries with higher population than ours are China and India. China lies about their data and India isn't developed enough to test/report accurate data.

2. We have the most obese population (42% adult obesity). Yes, Trump is obese himself, but he's not one of the 100k dead, so let's not dwell on that.

3. We count any deaths, regardless of actual cause, as a COVID death if the person has symptoms or suspected of COVID (cough, SOB, qualify). (source (https://twitter.com/legendaryenergy/status/1253194408738111489?lang=en)) Other countries count their deaths differently.

4. We pay large sums of money for COVID deaths

5. Governors, such as Andrew Cuomo, forced COVID patients into nursing homes (most vulnerable population)

https://iili.io/JwnbVV.png


Please re-read my previous post again. Let me know if you need any help understanding. Questions are welcome.

[Patrick Chewing]

trump/usa is the first bunch to shut down the fly to enter USA back in Jan.

Don’t bother. They just regurgitate the same talking point over and over despite the facts not being on their side. It’s just an act to stir the pot.

[Patrick Chewing]

We easily have the most Covid19 deaths by far, and it's still climbing with maybe an even deadlier second wave coming up in the fall (if the Spanish flu is any indication). Trump will pay for all his happy talk and minimizing how deadly this virus could be, oh the ads the Dems will run using his own words, including the bits about hydroxychloroquine and injecting disenfectants :oldlol:

You’re still talking about minimizing as if that’s reality. You live in a fantasy world. There was no minimizing. Every state got what they needed to combat this virus.

There’s 320 million of us. Our infection and death rate was always going to be high. Simple math.

[Cleverness]

You’re still talking about minimizing as if that’s reality. You live in a fantasy world. There was no minimizing. Every state got what they needed to combat this virus.

There’s 320 million of us. Our infection and death rate was always going to be high. Simple math.

Exactly. I hope he re-reads my posts and learns. I think he's smart enough.

Every state got more than they needed to combat the virus. Most states only saw ~3% of their hospital capacity with COVID patients.

Even in New York, the place hit hardest in the country by far, got more than what it needed.

March 24th press conference Governor Cuomo said he'll need (at peak):

30,000 ventilators
140,000 hospital beds
40,000 ICU beds

According to the IHME, ventilator usage in New York peaked on April 8 at:

5,000 ventilators (not 30,000)
Hospital beds less than 23,000 (not 140,000)
ICU beds less than 6,000 (not 40,000)

In fact, Trump set up field hospitals to places that saw ZERO COVID patients: https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/851712311/u-s-field-hospitals-stand-down-most-without-treating-any-covid-19-patients

1000 beds, 0 patients

[ZenMaster]

Fortunately, hardcore Trump supporters can't vote him in by themselves. Those of us who can see him as the incompetent blowhard he is realize he got a lot of soft support from independents who held their noses in voting for him last time because they couldn't stand Hillary either...Biden is not disliked nowhere near the level Trump and Hillary are. That alone makes a big difference. And this is where Trump being big mouth and constantly on Twitter like a teenage girl will bite him in the ass...there is a treasure trove of statements saying this pandemic basically would amount to nothing, everything is under control, it would disappear someday like nothing...look, fair or not, ultimately people will blame the dude at the top for the state the country is. Carter got the blame for a lot of shit that was out of his control and got dumped, same for GHWB. 100k deaths and a trashed economy? The people will tell Trump "you're fired" this Nov, especially like I stated before that we have coronavirus spikes leading up to the election...

Biden is NOT an exciting candidate, people won't be rushing to vote for him, but he doesn't need a huge turnout to win. He just needs to have enough people who do vote think Trump failed miserably with the biggest crisis this nation has faced since WWII...it also helps tremendously being an old white dude too :lol

Do you remember just a couple of months ago, where we were talking about 100K deaths as a good job? I think it was you and I actually, when the talks were at 2.2 million projected deaths and Trump said at a press conference 100K deaths would be a good job. I asked you then if you didn't agree with that statement, since projections were at 2.2 million.

Anyways, if all what you say is true, that Trump for sure won't win and everyone sees through him except hardcore supporters, then why isn't that reflected in the approval rating polls? The crisis has never been fresher in the minds of people than right now.

[~primetime~]

Do you remember just a couple of months ago, where we were talking about 100K deaths as a good job? I think it was you and I actually, when the talks were at 2.2 million projected deaths and Trump said at a press conference 100K deaths would be a good job. I asked you then if you didn't agree with that statement, since projections were at 2.2 million.

Anyways, if all what you say is true, that Trump for sure won't win and everyone sees through him except hardcore supporters, then why isn't that reflected in the approval rating polls? The crisis has never been fresher in the minds of people than right now.

It is reflected in his approval rating, the average for his tenure is 40.0% (currently 42.6%)... that is the lowest average approval rating of any president since they have been conducting approval ratings.

*also, no sitting Potus has ever been reelected with a sub-50% approval rating.

[ZenMaster]

It is reflected in his approval rating, the average for his tenure is 40.0% (currently 42.6%)... that is the lowest average approval rating of any president since they have been conducting approval ratings.

*also, no sitting Potus has ever been reelected with a sub-50% approval rating.


Nope. TheMan is saying that Trump won't get re-elected because of how he's handled the covid19 situation, and that people see it outside of his hardcore supporters.
If that's the case, then why isn't his approval rating dropping during this period to record low levels?

[~primetime~]

It has dropped a little recently...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/one-of-trumps-favorite-pollsters-shows-his-approval-plummeting-183959355.html

[ZenMaster]

Did you even read my post? Do you understand the tweet by Barack Obama? The goal, as clearly stated by Barack Obama in March, is to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed by flattening the curve. The area under the curve stays the same.

We have more confirmed deaths because of several reasons, none of which have anything to do with Trump:

1. We are the largest country in the world that, for the most part, accurately reports our data. The two countries with higher population than ours are China and India. China lies about their data and India isn't developed enough to test/report accurate data.

2. We have the most obese population (42% adult obesity). Yes, Trump is obese himself, but he's not one of the 100k dead, so let's not dwell on that.

3. We count any deaths, regardless of actual cause, as a COVID death if the person has symptoms or suspected of COVID (cough, SOB, qualify). (source (https://twitter.com/legendaryenergy/status/1253194408738111489?lang=en)) Other countries count their deaths differently.

4. We pay large sums of money for COVID deaths

5. Governors, such as Andrew Cuomo, forced COVID patients into nursing homes (most vulnerable population)

https://iili.io/JwnbVV.png


Please re-read my previous post again. Let me know if you need any help understanding. Questions are welcome.

I remember that we were pointing out that the number represents deaths with covid19, and not necessarily from it. On top of that, it was also pointed out that the number includes deaths without a test having been done, but only on the basis of symptoms. And even on top of that, it was displayed how hospitals have financial incentive to diagnose deaths as covid19 without testing.

Each time, they said they understand, but that it's the only data available.

For a second there I thought there was hope, but here we are now, with the death toll numbers being used as factual while drawing a direct line between covid19 deaths and Donald Trump. It's so sad.

[Jasper]

george W Bush ... suicides from losing all of their homes

[bladefd]

Do you remember just a couple of months ago, where we were talking about 100K deaths as a good job? I think it was you and I actually, when the talks were at 2.2 million projected deaths and Trump said at a press conference 100K deaths would be a good job. I asked you then if you didn't agree with that statement, since projections were at 2.2 million.

Anyways, if all what you say is true, that Trump for sure won't win and everyone sees through him except hardcore supporters, then why isn't that reflected in the approval rating polls? The crisis has never been fresher in the minds of people than right now.

No, Trump was citing 60k deaths would be a good job. Not 100k. Falci, Birx and the team originally estimated 120k-150k deaths in their first projection they released. Then Trump pulls out 60k to commend himself. Well, Falci and Birx were right with their original projection.

[ZenMaster]

No, Trump was citing 60k deaths would be a good job. Not 100k. Falci, Birx and the team originally estimated 120k-150k deaths in their first projection they released. Then Trump pulls out 60k to commend himself. Well, Falci and Birx were right with their original projection.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYzt0HqXjPo

[BigKobeFan]

CNN said there would be 2.5m deaths. I think trump did a pretty good job.

[Stanley Kobrick]

the blood is on donald trumps hands

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm a loser on one of my many alts


We know, we know.

[SATAN]

You’re still talking about minimizing as if that’s reality. You live in a fantasy world. There was no minimizing. Every state got what they needed to combat this virus.

There’s 320 million of us. Our infection and death rate was always going to be high. Simple math.

You're an idiot.

[Cleverness]

I remember that we were pointing out that the number represents deaths with covid19, and not necessarily from it. On top of that, it was also pointed out that the number includes deaths without a test having been done, but only on the basis of symptoms. And even on top of that, it was displayed how hospitals have financial incentive to diagnose deaths as covid19 without testing.

Each time, they said they understand, but that it's the only data available.

For a second there I thought there was hope, but here we are now, with the death toll numbers being used as factual while drawing a direct line between covid19 deaths and Donald Trump. It's so sad.

Yep. The way deaths have been counted for COVID is unlike any other cause of death, which is why hospitalizations is the better comparison

959,000 hospitalizations in 2017-2018 flu season. (Source: CDC) (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018/archive.htm#ref1)

Lab-confirmed COVID hospitalizations 22,060. (Source: CDC) (https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html)
High-end estimation for COVID hospitalizations is 194,000. (Source: COVID Tracking Project (https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_coronavirus_hospitalizations))

[Patrick Chewing]

You're an idiot.


Meltdown

[Cleverness]

Meltdown

The dude has been melting down since 2016. He keeps creating new accounts, but it's not helping. :(

[DoctorP]

https://cdn.extra.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/28165526/GettyImages-1200706176.jpg

[Patrick Chewing]

The dude has been melting down since 2016. He keeps creating new accounts, but it's not helping. :(


Who is this clown? Which poster is he?

[SATAN]

The dude has been melting down since 2016. He keeps creating new accounts, but it's not helping. :(

I didn't even know this site existed until recently. Not everything is a conspiracy, you paranoid alt right delusional incel. :lol

Also, you're an idiot.

[Patrick Chewing]

I didn't even know this site existed until recently. Not everything is a conspiracy, you paranoid alt right delusional incel. :lol

Also, you're an idiot.


Triggered.

[Stanley Kobrick]

so much blood on trumps hands

[Cleverness]

Who is this clown? Which poster is he?

Oh, I thought someone said he was DonDada, the guy who frequently posted giant charts on Hillary Clinton's poll numbers pre-election