Does LeBron have the most underdog playoff series wins in NBA history?

[Jordan96]

Playoff series LeBron won without home court advantage

2007 Pistons
2011 Bulls
2012 OKC
2014 Pacers
2015 Hawks
2016 Warriors
2017 Celtics
2018 Raptors
2018 Celtics

That’s 9 series wins without HCA, who else has more?

[Turbo Slayer]

Hello SpaceJam2. Another alt of yours huh?

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Playoff series LeBron won without home court advantage

2007 Pistons
2011 Bulls
2012 OKC
2014 Pacers
2015 Hawks
2016 Warriors
2017 Celtics
2018 Raptors
2018 Celtics

That’s 9 series wins without HCA, who else has more?

He probably does.

But was he really the underdog? He's LeBron. I thought he was going to win all of those series and he did.

[Bronbron23]

Playoff series LeBron won without home court advantage

2007 Pistons
2011 Bulls
2012 OKC
2014 Pacers
2015 Hawks
2016 Warriors
2017 Celtics
2018 Raptors
2018 Celtics

That’s 9 series wins without HCA, who else has more?

Honestly the fact that bron was considered an underdog in this first place should tell you all you need to know.

[Jordan96]

He probably does.

But was he really the underdog? He's LeBron. I thought he was going to win all of those series and he did.

You expected LeBron to beat the championship Pistons in 2007 and make the Finals at 22 years old?

While Jordan lost 3 straight years to the Pistons and didn’t make the Finals until he was 27?

[2ball]

Imagine losing to 3 geriatrics in 2014 while being in your absolute prime

[Axe]

Hello SpaceJam2. Another alt of yours huh?
Seems like it.

[Axe]

Playoff series LeBron won without home court advantage

2007 Pistons
2011 Bulls
2012 OKC
2014 Pacers
2015 Hawks
2016 Warriors
2017 Celtics
2018 Raptors
2018 Celtics

That’s 9 series wins without HCA, who else has more?
He won seven of those series listed above in the east also because it was a mediocre conference compared to the west.

[Cyrus334]

You expected LeBron to beat the championship Pistons in 2007 and make the Finals at 22 years old?

While Jordan lost 3 straight years to the Pistons and didn’t make the Finals until he was 27?

You can't call them the "championship" Pistons team when they were 3 years removed from holding the trophy and also missing Ben Wallance. MJ lost to the Pistons yes but then eventually overcame them when they were actually still the reigning champions and did it in sweeping fashion.

You bring up Jordan losing to the Pistons when he was the underdog but don't bring up Lebron losing to Orlando, Boston, and then Dallas as a favorite three straight years?

[Jordan96]

He won seven of those series listed above in the east also because it was a mediocre conference compared to the west.

If it was a mediocre conference why didn’t he have HCA in those series

[Axe]

If it was a mediocre conference why didn’t he have HCA in those series
Just because it's a mediocre conference doesn't mean that his team should have had the hca there most of the time. But yes, your question is indeed a mysterious one.

[PeteVecseySwag]

2015 Hawks?
2017 Celtics?
2018 Raptors?
2018 Celtics?

:roll::roll::roll:

[Rico2016]

Honestly the fact that bron was considered an underdog in this first place should tell you all you need to know.

So he never had teammates as good as others, is that the logic? It checks out after all. LeBron was constantly playing at a deficit.

[Rico2016]

2015 Hawks?
2017 Celtics?
2018 Raptors?
2018 Celtics?

:roll::roll::roll:

You probably don't watch the games or understand anything so I can help you out, but be thankful my son.

2015 Hawks had 4 all stars and #1 seed
2017 Celtics was a #1 seed but probably not favored
2018 Raptors had the 57th highest SRS in NBA history
2018 Celtics had a 2018 Cavs with no Kevin Love in game 6 and 7 (concussion)

Feel free to ask more questions I am here to help you my son.

[Axe]

The cavs should have had the first seeds in years 2015, 2017 and 2018, with expected regular season finishes of at least 55 wins or more but for ugly reasons, they just fell short of it each time and so, giving other teams in the east better records.

In comparison, the 2009 cavs went on to finish the season with a franchise-best 66 wins, a roster that had scrubs like mo williams, boobie gibson, big z, curly varejao and many more. Too bad it wasn't an nba finalist tho.

2010 followed with lesser 61 wins but still top seed throughout the year's playoffs, yet they come up short in the postseason again, this time with an earlier ecsf exit against the 4th seeded 50-win celtics.

[Cyrus334]

You probably don't watch the games or understand anything so I can help you out, but be thankful my son.

2015 Hawks had 4 all stars and #1 seed
2017 Celtics was a #1 seed but probably not favored
2018 Raptors had the 57th highest SRS in NBA history
2018 Celtics had a 2018 Cavs with no Kevin Love in game 6 and 7 (concussion)

Feel free to ask more questions I am here to help you my son.

Lmao, you know your scraping at the bottom of the barrel when your actually trying to make those teams sound as if they were more than anything but mediocore.

[Axe]

2018 Celtics had a 2018 Cavs with no Kevin Love in game 6 and 7 (concussion)
You do realize that those celtics team were also missing two key players in their own roster as well (former cavs pg irving with knee surgery and hayward with ankle injury plus his own surgeries) yet they still had led 2-0 in the ecf before they had to succumb after their last 3-2 lead?

[Rico2016]

You do realize that those celtics team were also missing two key players in their own roster as well (former cavs pg irving with knee surgery and hayward with ankle injury plus his own surgeries) yet they still had led 2-0 in the ecf before they had to succumb after their last 3-2 lead?

Yes but Hayward was injured in the 1st game of the season so the team achieved and grew without him. And as for Kyrie we saw his impact sans LeBron in the 2019 playoffs.

[Axe]

Yes but Hayward was injured in the 1st game of the season so the team achieved and grew without him. And as for Kyrie we saw his impact sans LeBron in the 2019 playoffs.
Well, who knows what would have happened during that '17-18 season if both fellas were only healthy.

It felt like they really had a shot in the finals and a 60-win pace for that team isn't too hard to imagine if that was the case.

[3ball]

When did lebron take a low seed deep into playoffs?

He never even had a low seed in the playoffs... Ever

His low seeds were fortunate to miss the playoffs in 04', 05', and 19', so he never faced the tough matchups that MJ had in the 1st Round, like when his 6 seed beat #1 SRS Cavs and their "big 4" in 89'

[Rico2016]

When did lebron take a low seed deep into playoffs?

He never even had a low seed in the playoffs... Ever

His low seeds were fortunate to miss the playoffs in 04', 05', and 19', so he never faced the tough matchups that MJ had in the 1st Round, like when his 6 seed beat #1 SRS Cavs and their "big 4" in 89'

Yes, LeBron should have won less games to achieve a lower seed :lol #TheThingsTheySay

[Jordan96]

LeUnderdog

[3ball]

LeUnderdog

^^^ Its a huge knock on his career

He's a perennial underdog with super-teams (casts with 3 perennial all-stars)

Perennial underdog status and only 3 rings in 17 years shows that something is wrong - and it's staring us in the face - ball-dominant teams aren't as good as ball movement teams... Basketball 101

[Manny98]

When did lebron take a low seed deep into playoffs?

He never even had a low seed in the playoffs... Ever

His low seeds were fortunate to miss the playoffs in 04', 05', and 19', so he never faced the tough matchups that MJ had in the 1st Round, like when his 6 seed beat #1 SRS Cavs and their "big 4" in 89'

MJs only underdog win came in 89 when it was still best of 5 and upsets were more prone to happen in best of 5 series so it is less impressive

MJ has zero underdog wins in the best of 7 format whilst Lebron has like 10

[3ball]

MJs only underdog win came in 89 when it was still best of 5 and upsets were more prone to happen in best of 5 series so it is less impressive

MJ has zero underdog wins in the best of 7 format whilst Lebron has like 10

89' MJ was underdog in the next round vs Knicks

Then he won the 91' Finals as an underdog (and almost 90' ECF)

And at least 3 more series without home court

Btw, 89' MJ took Pistons 6 games while lebron's high seeds get beat by record amount in 14', 18', and 07'

[Jordan96]

89' MJ was underdog in the next round vs Knicks

Then he won the 91' Finals as an underdog (and almost 90' ECF)

And at least 3 more series without home court

Btw, 89' MJ took Pistons 6 games while lebron's high seeds get beat by record amount in 14', 18', and 07'

LeBron has 9 playoff series wins without HCA, how much does MJ have?

[3ball]

LeBron has 9 playoff series wins without HCA, how much does MJ have?

It's a knock on lebron that he's a perennial underdog with super-teams (3 perennial all-stars), while MJ was perennial favorite with 1 all-star

He had Wade/Bosh and prime kyrie - so why not flirt with 70 wins and have perennial favorites like his peers Kawhi or curry?... Why still underdog and need more help all the time for 17 straight years?

[Jordan96]

It's a knock on lebron that he's a perennial underdog with super-teams (3 perennial all-stars), while MJ was perennial favorite with 1 all-star

Why does LeBron only have 4 all-nba teammates in 17 seasons while Jordan has 7 all-nba teammates in 15 seasons?

[3ball]

Why does LeBron only have 4 all-nba teammates in 17 seasons while Jordan has 7 all-nba teammates in 15 seasons?




Here's every all-star regardless of whether it was before/after jordan and out of prime:



Jordan

Gervin (10 all-star games)
Parish (9)
Gilmore (6)
Cartwright (1)
Pippen (9)
Grant (1)
BJ (1)
Oakley (1)
Rodman (2)
Hamilton (3)
Stackhouse (2)
_______________
Total... 11 players.. 45 appearances... 4.3 appearances per player


Lebron

Shaq (15)
Ben Wallace (4)
Carlos Boozer (2)
Mo Williams (1)
Antawn Jamison (2)
Dwayne Wade (13)
Chris Bosh (11)
Kevin Love (5)
Kyrie Irving (6)
Ray Allen (10)
Rajon Rondo (4)
Brandon Ingram (1)
Isaiah Thomas (2)
Derrick Rose (4)
Anthony Davis (7)
___________________
Total... 15 players.. 87 appearances... 5.8 appearances per player



So Lebron played with far more good players

Now if we just look at guys that were all-star-caliber alongside them, then MJ had 1 perennial all-star and 3 fringe all-stars (grant, bj, rodman).. lebron had 4 perennial all-stars and 3 fringe all-stars (Mo, Jamison, Zydrunas, maybe Allen too)... So lebron played with more good players however you slice it

[86Celtics]

LeBron has 9 playoff series wins without HCA, how much does MJ have?

How many series has he lost with HCA and how many has Jordan?

[Manny98]

89' MJ was underdog in the next round vs Knicks

Then he won the 91' Finals as an underdog (and almost 90' ECF)

And at least 3 more series without home court

Btw, 89' MJ took Pistons 6 games while lebron's high seeds get beat by record amount in 14', 18', and 07'
How was he the underdog in the 91 finals when the Bulls had the best record in the NBA + the Lakers were crippled with injuries :lol

And lol @ the so called GOAT being a underdog against rookie Patrick Ewing, pathetic

[Jordan96]

Yes he does

[Duncan21formvp]

How many series has he lost with HCA and how many has Jordan?

Exactly

[Cyrus334]

How was he the underdog in the 91 finals when the Bulls had the best record in the NBA + the Lakers were crippled with injuries :lol

And lol @ the so called GOAT being a underdog against rookie Patrick Ewing, pathetic

How was Patrick Ewing a rookie in 1989 but was drafted in 1986?

[Axe]

How was Patrick Ewing a rookie in 1989 but was drafted in 1986?
:roll:

[RRR3]

None of those were really upsets besides the 07 Pistons and 16 Warriors. And maybe the 15 Hawks cuz Kyrie didn’t play much in that series.

[ELITEpower23]

None of those were really upsets besides the 07 Pistons and 16 Warriors. And maybe the 15 Hawks cuz Kyrie didn’t play much in that series.

2012 Finals is not an upset? or 2013 Finals? What about 2011 vs Bulls? 2006 vs Pistons. 2007 vs everyone pretty much :lol The list can be added to if you'd like.

[3ball]

2012 Finals is not an upset? or 2013 Finals? What about 2011 vs Bulls? 2006 vs Pistons. 2007 vs everyone pretty much :lol The list can be added to if you'd like.

It's disqualifying that lebron was an underdog to babies and 1st timers in the 12' Finals.. babies are normally underdogs, but lebron's history of losing made them favorites

[Jordan96]

It's disqualifying that lebron was an underdog to babies and 1st timers in the 12' Finals.. babies are normally underdogs, but lebron's history of losing made them favorites

How many playoff series wins without HCA for MJ?

[3ball]

How many playoff series wins without HCA for MJ?

89' 1st Round
89' 2nd Round

93' ECF
93' Finals

98' Finals


They were also underdogs in 91' Finals

[Duncan21formvp]

How many playoff series wins without HCA for MJ?

How many bronze medals for MJ? How many bronze medals for Lebron? Include Olympics and FIBA

How many titles for franchise that drafted you?

[Axe]

89' 1st Round
89' 2nd Round

93' ECF
93' Finals

98' Finals


They were also underdogs in 91' Finals
You forgot they also won the first round against Charlotte in 1995

[eliteballer]

With or without Steroids?

[Jordan96]

89' 1st Round
89' 2nd Round

93' ECF
93' Finals

98' Finals


They were also underdogs in 91' Finals

So LeBron has more than double...

[3ball]

So LeBron has more than double...

Lebron's ball-dominant skillset results in underdogs, while MJ and Curry's ball movement results in perennial favorites

It's a knock that lebron is always the underdog with super-teams

[Duncan21formvp]

So LeBron has more than double...

More than 100% the series of bronze medals and more than 100% losses with HCA including to losing to Dwight Howard and Dirk with HCA.

[Jordan96]

Leunderdog