Were Nazis Right Wing Fascists or Left Wing Socialists? (POLL)

[Im Still Ballin]

Saw this discussion come up in another thread.

[Im Still Ballin]

My take...

The Nazis were definitely a fascist, right-wing movement. They simply co-opted the term "socialist" for political means.

The movement they represented was ideologically racist, nationalist and fundamentally conservative in design.

My two sense.

[ThatCoolKid]

Not really a discussion. FultzNationRISE is just having a meltdown because he doesn't want to read Wikipedia.

[FultzNationRISE]

OP needs to show his peen again.

[RRR3]

Not really a discussion. FultzNationRISE is just having a meltdown because he doesn't want to read Wikipedia.
He’s always having a meltdown tbh. I’ve got him so worked up he pretends I’m on his ignore list :lol

[DoctorP]

Authoritarian is right wing

Fascist is right wing
Shitty mods are right wing

[DoctorP]

also:

political correctness: right wing

homophobia: right wing

xenophobia: right wing

[Im Still Ballin]

BurningHammer voted for left wing socialists...

Just thought I'd let everyone know.

[TheMan]

There's been a push to define Nazis as extreme leftists in recent times by intellectually dishonest conservatives. The Nazis were definitely extreme right, fascists. Next thing, Mussolini will be defined as a lefty too.

[FultzNationRISE]

There's been a push to define Nazis as extreme leftists in recent times by intellectually dishonest conservatives. The Nazis were definitely extreme right, fascists. Next thing, Mussolini will be defined as a lefty too.

Left and right are just arbitrary directions unless you apply specific criteria.

Nazis were socialists. It's literally in the name. You can call it right, you can call it left. But their economic policy was socialism.

If you can't acknowledge that, youre the one being intellectually dishonest.

Altho in your specific case, it's more like intellectually disabled.

[DoctorP]

Left and right are just arbitrary directions unless you apply specific criteria.

Nazis were socialists. It's literally in the name.

If you can't acknowledge that, youre the one being intellectually dishonest.

Altho in your specific case, it's more like intellectually disabled.

yeah hitler was an economist. :lol

thats all, folks.

[iamgine]

The NAZI party to me seems to be right wing collectivist.

Everyone is free to do what they want (right wing) as long as it serve the nation (collectivist). The problem comes when nationhood is determined by a party, and they determine that the jews did not serve the nation.

[DoctorP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9YJyUGdyz4

[Overdrive]

Left and right are just arbitrary directions unless you apply specific criteria.

Nazis were socialists. It's literally in the name. You can call it right, you can call it left. But their economic policy was socialism.

If you can't acknowledge that, youre the one being intellectually dishonest.

Altho in your specific case, it's more like intellectually disabled.

Holy shit. You're so ashamed of yourself that you can't even admit that you're spectre as the Nazi party, so you call them leftists.

There was no socialism ala Marx, Engels or Lenin in place. It was a hard hierachic system based on rightwing ideology.

[tpols]

There's been a push to define Nazis as extreme leftists in recent times by intellectually dishonest conservatives. The Nazis were definitely extreme right, fascists. Next thing, Mussolini will be defined as a lefty too.

germany back then had extensive social services for its people... in regards to "welfare" they believed in providing it more than current right wing USA politcians do.

[Overdrive]

germany back then had extensive social services for its people... in regards to "welfare" they believed in providing it more than current right wing USA politcians do.

Doesn't make them socialist in the marxist sense.

[Long Duck Dong]

Everyone is free to do what they want (right wing) as long as it serve the nation (collectivist). The problem comes when nationhood is determined by a party, and they determine that the jews did not serve the nation.

The very foundation of Marxism and socialism as we know it centers around collectivism.

[iamgine]

The very foundation of Marxism and socialism as we know it centers around collectivism.

Sure but it would be incorrect to equate them because they're different ideas.

[Overdrive]

The very foundation of Marxism and socialism as we know it centers around collectivism.

Yes, but origins of Marx, Engels et al don't allow for hierachy. The NS regime was the most diagonal regime we've seen to date.

[CelticBaller]

People who think racist can’t be socialist or left wing clearly have no idea what they’re talking about

The soviets and mao’s China are the definition of communism and they were racist as ****.

Nazis were socialist. Just as the commies were socialist

[RRR3]

People who think racist can’t be socialist or left wing clearly have no idea what they’re talking about

The soviets and mao’s China are the definition of communism and they were racist as ****.

Nazis were socialist. Just as the commies were socialist
Communists aren’t socialists :facepalm

You can own private property under a socialist society.

[brownmamba00]

Systematically killing people because of their ethnicity/nationality/religion is textbook fascism.

[brownmamba00]

Anyone that thinks the nazis were socialists because of the name of Hitler's political party has the brain the size of a peanut.

His idea of socialism revolved around ethnicity (the so called aryan race). Whenever socialism revolves around ethnicity or race it becomes fascism.

[Overdrive]

People who think racist can’t be socialist or left wing clearly have no idea what they’re talking about

The soviets and mao’s China are the definition of communism and they were racist as ****.

Nazis were socialist. Just as the commies were socialist

Nobody says leftwing radicalism can't be racist. Infact most is. Doesn't make the Nazis leftists. Left can be economical, sociological or form of hierachy.

The Nazis were sociological and hierachic rightwingers with hints of leftwing economy.

The racism is the cherry on the sunday. You can be a fascist with gassing jews and retards.

[brownmamba00]

The name of the party was an illusion or trap just to bring in more voters from within the german working class.

Whenever they seized power they closed down all the syndicates killed all of the socialists/communists and cancelled all the rights to labour strike actions.

When I see these rednecks act like the nazis were some sort of commie entity I just laugh my balls off.

[RRR3]

Brownmamba00 spitting facts.

[kabar]

Thus we can see the two great differences between races: Aryanism means ethical perception of work and that which we today so often hear – socialism, community spirit, common good before own good. Jewry means egoistic attitude to work and thereby mammonism and materialism, the opposite of socialism. (Hear, hear) And due to these traits, which he cannot ‘overstep’ as they are in his blood and, as he himself admits, in these traits alone lays the necessity for the Jew to behave unconditionally as a destroyer of states. He cannot do otherwise, whether he wants to or not. And thereby he is unable to create his own state because it requires a lot of social sense. He is only able to live as a parasite in the states of others. He lives as a race amongst other races, in a state within others states. And we can see very precisely that when a race does not possess certain traits which must be hereditary, it not only cannot create a state but must act as a destroyer, no matter if a given individual is good or evil.


The first three principles were clear, and they are inseparable from each other. Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism. (Loud applause)

To be nationalist does not mean for us to belong to one party or another, but to show with every action that one benefits the people; it means love for all the people without exception. From this point of view we will realize that it is necessary to preserve the most precious thing a people has, the sum of all active creative powers of its workers, to keep it healthy in body and soul.(Cheers) And this view of nationalism compels us to immediately form a front against its opposite, the Semitic conception of the idea of people (Volk), and especially against the Semitic concept of work. Since we are socialists, we must necessarily also be antisemites because we want to fight against the very opposite: materialism and mammonism. (Lively bravo!)

https://carolynyeager.net/why-we-are-antisemites-text-adolf-hitlers-1920-speech-hofbr%C3%A4uhaus

Yeah totally just an economic policy. :hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead:

[brownmamba00]

Hitler called his political party a liberal party.

North Korea in comparison call themselves the democratic people's republic of North Korea. Doesn't mean they are democratic nor republican.

Socialism and the workers movement was a big thing in the 1900s they just used these terms to gain followers.

Hitler told his people socialism does not reject private property which is pretty much the base of extreme left wing ideals.

[RRR3]

Hitler called his political party a liberal party.

North Korea in comparison call themselves the democratic people's republic of North Korea. Doesn't mean they are democratic nor republican.

Socialism and the workers movement was a big thing in the 1900s they just used these terms to gain followers.

Hitler told his people socialism does not reject private property which is pretty much the base of extreme left wing ideals.
You can have private property under socialist systems. Communism is different.

[bladefd]

People who think racist can’t be socialist or left wing clearly have no idea what they’re talking about

The soviets and mao’s China are the definition of communism and they were racist as ****.

Nazis were socialist. Just as the commies were socialist

The Commies in USSR were enemies of Hitler. Nazis hated the commies. He was an anti-Marxist and anti-Communist since he was young - he even talked about it in Mein Kampf. That same person cannot be a socialist. In fact, he goes as far as to say that Marxism is his ultimate enemy and pledging to destroy it.

[bladefd]

Communists aren’t socialists :facepalm

You can own private property under a socialist society.

Communism is an extreme form of socialism.

It's equivalent to saying that a square (all 4 sides equal length and 90 degree angle) is always a rectangle but a rectangle isn't always a square. Communism is always socialism but socialism isn't always communism.

[FultzNationRISE]

Anyone that thinks the nazis were socialists because of the name of Hitler's political party has the brain the size of a peanut.

His idea of socialism revolved around ethnicity (the so called aryan race). Whenever socialism revolves around ethnicity or race it becomes fascism.

Youre embarrassing yourself in a fit of ignorance.

[brownmamba00]

Communism is an extreme form of socialism.

It's equivalent to saying that a square (all 4 sides equal length and 90 degree angle) is always a rectangle but a rectangle isn't always a square. Communism is always socialism but socialism isn't always communism.

100%

[CelticBaller]

Communists aren’t socialists :facepalm

You can own private property under a socialist society.

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jordan-laughing-gif-4726806

Karl Marx is rolling in his grave

[CelticBaller]

The name of the party was an illusion or trap just to bring in more voters from within the german working class.

Whenever they seized power they closed down all the syndicates killed all of the socialists/communists and cancelled all the rights to labour strike actions.

When I see these rednecks act like the nazis were some sort of commie entity I just laugh my balls off.


Oh look! Socialist Killing Socialist! Where have I seen that before?
https://img.rasset.ie/000ee925-800.jpg

[DoctorP]

did anyone watch the video i posted? you are just arguing nonsense to each other like a barrel of apes

https://i.imgur.com/Zzc68c4.jpg

[RRR3]

Communism is an extreme form of socialism.

It's equivalent to saying that a square (all 4 sides equal length and 90 degree angle) is always a rectangle but a rectangle isn't always a square. Communism is always socialism but socialism isn't always communism.
Fair, I should have been more specific.

[BarberSchool]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9YJyUGdyz4It’s def a worthwhile watch, people.

[Nanners]

The Nazis dont fit neatly into our current view of the right-left political spectrum, but they were definitely far more similar to right-wing fascist than the left-wing socialist. While the Nazis supported their working class with strong and effective social programs that would be considered highly "socialist" by modern american standards, these programs were only accessable to people with the correct german heritage... as the foundation of their society was the idea that all men are not created equal. Socially, their society was highly conservative - art was regulated by govt agents and "degenerate" art was banned, they systematically persecuted (imprisoned/murdered) homosexuals and people who engaged in pre-marital sex or paid sex work, and they viewed women as being inferior to men with no place in public or political life (maybe they werent wrong about everything...).

If Hitler was actually a left wing socialist, he would not have viewed the Russians as the biggest threat in Europe, he wouldnt have called Russian communists "jewish bolsheviks", and he would not have said things like "eastern jewry is the intellectual reservoir of bolshevism and must therefore be annihilated."

[DoctorP]

The Nazis dont fit neatly into our current view of the right-left political spectrum, but they were definitely far more similar to right-wing fascist than the left-wing socialist. While the Nazis supported their working class with strong and effective social programs that would be considered highly "socialist" by modern american standards, these programs were only accessable to people with the correct german heritage... as the foundation of their society was the idea that all men are not created equal. Socially, their society was highly conservative - art was regulated by govt agents and "degenerate" art was banned, they systematically persecuted (imprisoned/murdered) homosexuals and people who engaged in pre-marital sex or paid sex work, and they viewed women as being inferior to men with no place in public or political life (maybe they werent wrong about everything...).

If Hitler was actually a left wing socialist, he would not have viewed the Russians as the biggest threat in Europe, he wouldnt have called Russian communists "jewish bolsheviks", and he would not have said things like "eastern jewry is the intellectual reservoir of bolshevism and must therefore be annihilated."


exactly. Nazism was strictly right-wing authoritarian doctrine with effective socialist economic policies..

The Nazis did rebuild the German economy but their empirialistic moves and fascist social policies doomed them.

[RRR3]

The Nazis dont fit neatly into our current view of the right-left political spectrum, but they were definitely far more similar to right-wing fascist than the left-wing socialist. While the Nazis supported their working class with strong and effective social programs that would be considered highly "socialist" by modern american standards, these programs were only accessable to people with the correct german heritage... as the foundation of their society was the idea that all men are not created equal. Socially, their society was highly conservative - art was regulated by govt agents and "degenerate" art was banned, they systematically persecuted (imprisoned/murdered) homosexuals and people who engaged in pre-marital sex or paid sex work, and they viewed women as being inferior to men with no place in public or political life (maybe they werent wrong about everything...).

If Hitler was actually a left wing socialist, he would not have viewed the Russians as the biggest threat in Europe, he wouldnt have called Russian communists "jewish bolsheviks", and he would not have said things like "eastern jewry is the intellectual reservoir of bolshevism and must therefore be annihilated."
Damn, the right wing gang will have no answer to this.

[ThatCoolKid]

The Nazis dont fit neatly into our current view of the right-left political spectrum, but they were definitely far more similar to right-wing fascist than the left-wing socialist. While the Nazis supported their working class with strong and effective social programs that would be considered highly "socialist" by modern american standards, these programs were only accessable to people with the correct german heritage... as the foundation of their society was the idea that all men are not created equal. Socially, their society was highly conservative - art was regulated by govt agents and "degenerate" art was banned, they systematically persecuted (imprisoned/murdered) homosexuals and people who engaged in pre-marital sex or paid sex work, and they viewed women as being inferior to men with no place in public or political life (maybe they werent wrong about everything...).

If Hitler was actually a left wing socialist, he would not have viewed the Russians as the biggest threat in Europe, he wouldnt have called Russian communists "jewish bolsheviks", and he would not have said things like "eastern jewry is the intellectual reservoir of bolshevism and must therefore be annihilated."

You know you went wrong somewhere in life when you find yourself saying the Nazis weren't wrong about everything.

[Nanners]

You know you went wrong somewhere in life when you find yourself saying the Nazis weren't wrong about everything.

:oldlol:

you have to be literally retarded to think that comment was anything other than a lazy joke about women...

anyway, no doubt you should count yourself lucky that you arent living in 1930s Germany... in addition to jews, gays, gypsies, and lots of other groups, the nazis also exterminated their retards (although maybe that werent wrong about that either)

[DoctorP]

:oldlol:

you have to be literally retarded to think that comment was anything other than a lazy joke about women...

anyway, no doubt you should count yourself lucky that you arent living in 1930s Germany... in addition to jews, gays, gypsies, and lots of other groups, the nazis also exterminated their retards (although maybe that werent wrong about that either)

:lol :lol

SLAYED. ALL TIME SLAY

[ThatCoolKid]

:oldlol:

you have to be literally retarded to think that comment was anything other than a lazy joke about women...

anyway, no doubt you should count yourself lucky that you arent living in 1930s Germany... in addition to jews, gays, gypsies, and lots of other groups, the nazis also exterminated their retards (although maybe that werent wrong about that either)

You say its a joke - but what from what I've read from you I don't really think it is. Also why is it funny to say "haha the nazis were right"?

[Nanners]

You say its a joke - but what from what I've read from you I don't really think it is.

You got me there, no doubt I have always argued that women are vastly inferior to men


Also why is it funny to say "haha the nazis were right"?

Good question... maybe ask DoctorP

[DoctorP]

You got me there, no doubt I have always argued that women are vastly inferior to men



Good question... maybe ask DoctorP

don't ask me. i think women are superior to men.

[Nanners]

don't ask me. i think women are superior to men.

oh really? then explain the WNBA

[DoctorP]

oh really? then explain the WNBA

hehe. explain child birth

[Nanners]

hehe. explain child birth

according to the experts (Dr Fauci), every now and then some yappy broad sits on a dirty toilet seat and then 9 months later they shit out some ugly pile of skin and bones

[DoctorP]

according to the experts (Dr Fauci), every now and then some yappy broad sits on a dirty toilet seat and then 9 months later they shit out some ugly pile of skin and bones

heheh. there ya go