Give me 2 minutes of your time. Watch these plays from Kemp in 94.

[Kblaze8855]

Tell me which modern star you’re reminded of. I don’t wanna taint the results by saying the name I think of.



https://youtu.be/Na_e3_-wWkE

[warriorfan]

LeBron

[Akeem34TheDream]

I saw a flashier Siakam.

[AlternativeAcc.]

I saw a flashier Siakam.

Finishes like Siakim but overall it doesn't remind me of anyone in particular.

[Stanley Kobrick]

I saw a flashier Siakam.
:cheers:

[DoctorP]

Bam Adebayo

[LoneyROY7]

Definitely some Zion.

[Rico2016]

Blake Griffin

[scuzzy]

poor mans zion

[light]

Tell me which modern star you’re reminded of. I don’t wanna taint the results by saying the name I think of.



https://youtu.be/Na_e3_-wWkE

The way he moves, he reminds me of Kawhi Leonard. He's not as good as Leonard, obviously, but they have similar motions. Kind of a smoothness and glide to their games, but also a simplicity - like on some of those put backs - it's very Spurs-esque or Duncan-esque with no wasted movement - straight to the point.

But then on other plays (that baseline dunk) he looks like Dr. J, which no modern star really looks like anymore.

[Bronbron23]

poor mans zion

poor mans? Are you on crack bruh. He was as athletic but longer and had a better jumper.

[Akeem34TheDream]

poor mans? Are you on crack bruh. He was as athletic but longer and had a better jumper.

Zion is a Jordan, Shaq&Lebron level athlete.

[BigShotBob]

Everyone knows you're thinking about Giannis.

Kemp was altogether a different kind of animal. I can't honestly compare him to anyone else.

And what your short clip didn't show was his automatic 16-20ft jump shot.

[3ball]

I've said in previous posts that Kemp would literally be the goat if he played in this era because he'd be a full-fledged GUARD...

And not a over-dribbly point guard that has lower team ceilings... A scoring guard like Kobe, MJ or Kawhi... But possibly better than all of them.. he was a guard that was born in the wrong era... He even has a guard-looking jumper (not a high release point like a big)

Btw, he looks like mj to me out there

[Bronbron23]

Zion is a Jordan, Shaq&Lebron level athlete.

so was kemp bro

[Jamal23]

I got Zion vibes watching that for sure

[3ball]

I got Zion vibes watching that for sure

Some of the catch-and-score stuff is similar

But his footwork is WAY more polished than Zions

Zion plays more bully-ball with a completely different physique

Zion could never be a Kobe/Kawhi/MJ type of player or guard, but kemp would be in today's game.. I can't think of anyone that would benefit MORE than Kemp from growing up in this era

He'd be a 6'9" Jordan/Kawhi/Kobe type

[Phoenix]

Where were you going with this, Blaze? I see some shades of a few players. Yes a bit of Lebron( a slower version in the open court). Some Zion, the quick jump/2nd jump and the alley-oop target but more finesse( I dont think Kemp got quite as much air but hes taller and longer). Were you trying to go to the obvious picks or somewhere else?

[3ball]

Where were you going with this, Blaze? I see some shades of a few players. Yes a bit of Lebron( a slower version in the open court). Some Zion, the quick jump/2nd jump and the alley-oop target but more finesse( I dont think Kemp got quite as much air but hes taller and longer). Were you trying to go to the obvious picks or somewhere else?

Yes I was also curious where Kblaze was going and was anticipating reading something from him

Kemp was always an interesting case.. kblaze hung the pinata up there and then left it

[RRR3]

I've said in previous posts that Kemp would literally be the goat if he played in this era because he'd be a full-fledged GUARD...

And not a over-dribbly point guard that has lower team ceilings... A scoring guard like Kobe, MJ or Kawhi... But possibly better than all of them.. he was a guard that was born in the wrong era... He even has a guard-looking jumper (not a high release point like a big)

Btw, he looks like mj to me out there
Everything looks like MJ to you.

[Whoah10115]

I'd honestly rather here what Kblaze thinks.

Shawn Kemp as a guard sounds like I don't know what? In small ball era they'd move him to the two? Why?

[3ball]

Everything looks like MJ to you.

Give Kemp a live dribble ability like Doncic or Ingram or Lebron or Durant

:facepalm:

GOAT

He's a better athlete than everyone except maybe lebron, but Kemp's physique is more optimal than lebron's

Also Kemp was strong as an ox... Stronger and bigger bone structure than lebron... He's slender but defenders bounce off him inside and he never looks off-balance - some of kblaze's highlights show ridiculously-contested paint shots look like child's play - again, defenders literally bouncing off him.. everything was too easy for him.. dominated rodman without breaking a sweat..

[tpols]

kemp looks like a super dray.

holy shit @ 1:35

[3ball]

His physique is a guard physiqueband movements

the reason he looks so flashy at 6'9" is because that's guard coordination with big man size

He just didn't have the tiny nuances with his dribble (footwork cadence with a live dribble) that Doncic has, so he didn't dribble like Doncic or today's ball-handlers

The more I think about it, he's like a zion with more polished inside game and guard physique

[Phoenix]

The way I see the Pelicans deploying Zion is probably how a team would use Kemp I guess. In todays game he'd probably line up at the 5 but really, it's all semantics at this point. He can create mismatch problems at either big man spot and defend either one, especially since todays bigs arent so much pounding the rock down low like the 80s and 90s. On offense he's too mobile and active for most bigs. Say what you want about the evolution of the game or change in player skillsets but while alot of bigs are now stretch 4s and 5s, ain't too many doing the coast to coast thing like that, finishing with that kind of finesse, or able to start at the 3 point line and maneuvers their way to the rim looking like a small forward.

[Phoenix]

.

holy shit @ 1:35

Not bad for a '90s car mechanic'.

[3ball]

The way I see the Pelicans deploying Zion is probably how a team would use Kemp I guess. In todays game he'd probably line up at the 5 but really, it's all semantics at this point. He can create mismatch problems at either big man spot and defend either one, especially since todays bigs arent so much pounding the rock down low like the 80s and 90s. On offense he's too mobile and active for most bigs. Say what you want about the evolution of the game or change in player skillsets but while alot of bigs are now stretch 4s and 5s, ain't too many doing the coast to coast thing like that, finishing with that kind of finesse, or able to start at the 3 point line and maneuvers their way to the rim looking like a small forward.

Anyone in today's game with Kemp's agility and physique handles the ball... the idea that he would play center is preposterous - even if you took 94' Kemp as is, no coach would put agility like that at the 5 today, especially at the lower ranks (HS) where every coach would have him shooting threes and handling the ball... Only the most stick figure dudes or massive dudes play center today.. kemp wouldn't be one of them

the reason he looks so flashy at 6'9" is because that's guard coordination with big man size

Kemp would've been a guard in today's game because the dribbling movements get hard-wired in as a youngster, so he'd look fluid at a guard level (which he almost already did)

[3ball]

Anyone in today's game with Kemp's agility and physique handles the ball... the idea that he would play center is preposterous - even if you took 94' Kemp as is, no coach would put agility like that at the 5 today, especially at the lower ranks (HS) where every coach would have him shooting threes and handling the ball... Only the most stick figure dudes or massive dudes play center today.. kemp wouldn't be one of them

the reason he looks so flashy at 6'9" is because that's guard coordination with big man size

Kemp would've been a guard in today's game because the dribbling movements get hard-wired in as a youngster, so he'd look fluid at a guard level (which he almost already did)

^^^ the reason today's game has more big guys handling the rock is because anyone with Kemp's agility is automatically asked to handle the ball from junior high, whereas bigs were asked to play inside back in the day

[SATAN]

You're an idiot.

[highwhey]

The way he moves, he reminds me of Kawhi Leonard. He's not as good as Leonard, obviously, but they have similar motions. Kind of a smoothness and glide to their games, but also a simplicity - like on some of those put backs - it's very Spurs-esque or Duncan-esque with no wasted movement - straight to the point.

But then on other plays (that baseline dunk) he looks like Dr. J, which no modern star really looks like anymore.

i thought the same thing within seconds of watching the video. his motion is very much like kawhi's.

[highwhey]

Where were you going with this, Blaze? I see some shades of a few players. Yes a bit of Lebron( a slower version in the open court). Some Zion, the quick jump/2nd jump and the alley-oop target but more finesse( I dont think Kemp got quite as much air but hes taller and longer). Were you trying to go to the obvious picks or somewhere else?

don't leave us hanging blaze, i want to know who you were thinking of.

[Phoenix]

Anyone in today's game with Kemp's agility and physique handles the ball... the idea that he would play center is preposterous - even if you took 94' Kemp as is, no coach would put agility like that at the 5 today, especially at the lower ranks (HS) where every coach would have him shooting threes and handling the ball... Only the most stick figure dudes or massive dudes play center today.. kemp wouldn't be one of them

the reason he looks so flashy at 6'9" is because that's guard coordination with big man size

Kemp would've been a guard in today's game because the dribbling movements get hard-wired in as a youngster, so he'd look fluid at a guard level (which he almost already did)

As I said, whatever position he lines up at is semantics. You could line him up at the 2 if you so choose but hes going to play however he plays regardless of where you think he best fits because you have to list him somewhere. If I'm the coach I'm putting him on the floor and saying 'do what you do'. You're getting too caught up in the nitty gritty of 'positions'. Quite obviously Kemp would be a 'position-less' player so who cares where you officially list him. That's not an argument that needs a ton of energy.

[Round Mound]

Most athletic PF!

[Genaro]

Aside from everybody that was already mentioned, I think he looks a little like AD as well. Can handle the ball very well, guard like coordination, very good rebounding and finishing at the rim.

[Smoke117]

Who cares when he was the best player on a (admittedly stacked) 63 win that season and completely shit the bed in the playoffs.

[Smoke117]

It's honestly hilarious how overrated Payton and Kemp are in general. Neither are top 50 players of all time. They were the two best players on two 60+ win teams an couple near it, but it wasn't about them. It was about the overall talent. These are teams that had Hersey Hawkins, Detlef Shremph, and Nate Mcmillan, but yeah, let's just talk about Kemp and Payton. One is a athlete marvel (and a complete knucklehead) and one is a pretty good pg who plays great defense. Let's all get in circle jerk for them and forget that the their teammates were good as hell and...well...they were the leader two big shits right? Well, they led the the Sonics to first round defeats as a 63 win team and 59 team in b2b seasons. lmfao. History doesn't lie.

[MrFonzworth]

It's honestly hilarious how overrated Payton and Kemp are in general. Neither are top 50 players of all time. They were the two best players on two 60+ win teams an couple near it, but it wasn't about them. It was about the overall talent. These are teams that had Hersey Hawkins, Detlef Shremph, and Nate Mcmillan, but yeah, let's just talk about Kemp and Payton. One is a athlete marvel (and a complete knucklehead) and one is a pretty good pg who plays great defense. Let's all get in circle jerk for them and forget that the their teammates were good as hell and...well...they were the leader two big shits right? Well, they led the the Sonics to first round defeats as a 63 win team and 59 team in b2b seasons. lmfao. History doesn't lie.

That's not what this thread is about loser

[Smoke117]

That's not what this thread is about loser

Very observational post as usual. You are very good at this? Just throwing out attacks at everyone else without saying shit? I've started to notice about this stupid alt you have now. These busboys may put of with your stupid shit, but I won't.

[MrFonzworth]

Very observational post as usual. You are very good at this? Just throwing out attacks at everyone else without saying shit? I've started to notice about this stupid alt you have now. These busboys may put of with your stupid shit, but I won't.

Rent free. Nobody asked you and If someone wants your take on the 90s Sonics, they know where to find you. At the aa meeting.

[ArbitraryWater]

poor mans? Are you on crack bruh. He was as athletic but longer and had a better jumper.

Are you retarded?

Of course he's a poor mans Zion.

Zion will absolutely crush Kemp, any version.

[Doranku]

Zion was the first name that came to mind.

[ArbitraryWater]

Aside from everybody that was already mentioned, I think he looks a little like AD as well. Can handle the ball very well, guard like coordination, very good rebounding and finishing at the rim.

nothing alike at all

go about their scoring in completely different ways and strengths

[ArbitraryWater]

Very observational post as usual. You are very good at this? Just throwing out attacks at everyone else without saying shit? I've started to notice about this stupid alt you have now. These busboys may put of with your stupid shit, but I won't.

thats literally the only thing that dummie does


never made a single informative post in his life lol

[Kblaze8855]

It was mostly Giannis but less stiff. A lot of people like him who had bigman size seem natural centers today but more than maybe ever....the NBA wants to keep the ball in the hands of the best players. The NBA used to play through bigs but they didnt have them do everything. Now we will just give the ball to a a guy even if hes 6'10'' and let him run the game. And its been made easier than ever because we dont acknowledge dribbling rules. Add the "zero" step, ignore that tall ball handlers have to carry to change direction, and give the offensive player hands off rules while letting them physically overpower people on drives and what you get....a league full of manufactured big guards. Magic was a big guard but the rules required him to defend on ball pressure by turning his back. Same for Steve Smith and others who followed him. Now?

You can make people with shaky handles like Giannis, or carry dependent handles like KD, or physical handfulls who get by you off strength and straight line speed like Lebron into legit ball handlers and playmakers. I always felt like Magic didnt have modern handles...but he was so experienced with people assuming they could just take it from him he was hard to bother because of how he protected the ball. Today?

You dont need handles. You need lax rules and physical advantages. A guy like Kemp could absolutely be a bit of a point forward now. Let that guy rebound and run the floor....not be expected to give the ball up at all?

Hes not Michael Jordan as 3ball said....but hes not what we remember Shawn Kemp being either.

Maybe instead of a huge wing hes more of a Bam/Draymond style point center with much more attacking?

I dont know. But I think we might see him as part of a whole new breed.

[Kblaze8855]

It's honestly hilarious how overrated Payton and Kemp are in general. Neither are top 50 players of all time. They were the two best players on two 60+ win teams an couple near it, but it wasn't about them. It was about the overall talent. These are teams that had Hersey Hawkins, Detlef Shremph, and Nate Mcmillan, but yeah, let's just talk about Kemp and Payton. One is a athlete marvel (and a complete knucklehead) and one is a pretty good pg who plays great defense. Let's all get in circle jerk for them and forget that the their teammates were good as hell and...well...they were the leader two big shits right? Well, they led the the Sonics to first round defeats as a 63 win team and 59 team in b2b seasons. lmfao. History doesn't lie.

I gotta ask....

What does not being top 50 even matter?

Should only the top .012% of players of all time get considerable discussion and not the top .020?

I grant you that we pick and choose interesting people and skillsets to fawn over at times. Your Pistol Pete types get more talk than a guy like Dave Debusschere who was absolutely better if your goal was to win. And we still talk about Nique but nobody brings up Sidney Moncrief who accomplished more. My issue with those who have a problem with that.....why not bring up Sidney Moncrief yourself? Id have something to say about him.

Go make a topic on Vin Baker or Detlef. I made a topic on Eddie Johnson. But know what? People dont respond to topics on people they barely know or give a shit about. That doesnt bother me much...I will respond to whoever takes an interest. You wanna join me in that fine. But I feel like you kinda dont. So.....what we doing here?

Im talking to people about a guy who was fairly popular and has an enduring fanbase and interesting skillset.

Do I need to make a topic on Paul Westphal real quick for you to come ask why im posting about boring shit in? I'll do it for you. I will go post all my thoughts on Billy Owens right now. You know I will.

When you dont give a shit about it should I move on to Kelly Tripuka, Spencer Haywood, and Billy Cunningham or maybe say something about someone one or two people might actually have an opinion on?

A forum full of boring single minded people like me might have a lot of topics on lesser names. On this forum a real discussion on Otis Birdsong or Dolph Schayes is getting sleeping emojis if even that.

I'll do it anyway from time to time when I get in the mood but for the most part....ill stick to matters the people im talking to might care about.

[thefatmiral]

Blake Griffin

That's the first player that came to mind. Maybe Dominique wilkins too.

[LAL]

He kinda moved like a very young lebron but played like a amare stoudamire.

[rawimpact]

giannis