What’s a better argument for GOAT than 6,911?

[Jordan96]

The most valued aspect of basketball is scoring

The highest level of competition is the playoffs

So the highest scorer in the highest level of competition should be GOAT



What’s wrong with that argument?

[3ball]

5 more ppg on better efficiency per possession

[Axe]

6,911 and yet, was only .33 in the finals.

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5 more ppg on better efficiency per possession

Worse efficiency per shot and worse efficiency per possession.

On nearly every possession LeBron will do more than Jordan.

As Channing Frye said, all Jordan had to do was score, that was his one job.

[light]

6,911 and yet, was only .33 in the finals.

But that's far better than Jordan's .000 under the same circumstances.

[Axe]

But that's far better than Jordan's .000 under the same circumstances.
Hey

I didn't ask for your stupid opinion, bs dup.

[3ball]

6,911 and yet, was only .33 in the finals.
Really?

All those points only won 3 rings and only won .33 of the time?

Wow, those were some useless points... it's like like he was doing it the wrong way or something

Something appears suboptmal that's for sure

[Axe]

Really?

All those points only won 3 rings and only won .33 of the time?

Wow, those were some useless points... it's like like he was doing it the wrong way or something

Something appears suboptmal that's for sure
3ball i know you are happy but you have to be more decent than that, considering you haven't watched basketball for more than a decade already.

[Jordan96]

5 more ppg on better efficiency per possession

What about twice the rebounds and 50% more assists on a higher FG%?

[Cyrus334]

Worse efficiency per shot and worse efficiency per possession.

On nearly every possession LeBron will do more than Jordan.

As Channing Frye said, all Jordan had to do was score, that was his one job.

Then your just as dumb as he is if you actually think the only thing Jordan did was score.

[ELITEpower23]

5 more ppg on better efficiency per possession

Literally same # of playoffs but MJ took more shots and still scored less. the one thing jordan was supposedly better at than lebron was scoring and he is #2 in that as well. Damn shame. Ya hate to see it.

https://imgbbb.com/images/2020/06/02/all-that-and-still.png

[2ball]

MJ shot more but he won more. Almost seems worth it

[Overdrive]

But that's far better than Jordan's .000 under the same circumstances.

Didn't know Jordan played with a former FMVP before he got Pippen.


Literally same # of playoffs but MJ took more shots and still scored less. the one thing jordan was supposedly better at than lebron was scoring and he is #2 in that as well. Damn shame. Ya hate to see it.

https://imgbbb.com/images/2020/06/02/all-that-and-still.png

Can you cite the games played?

[ELITEpower23]

Didn't know Jordan played with a former FMVP before he got Pippen.



Can you cite the games played?

13 playoffs a piece
LBJ even passed MJ using far less FGA too

GOAT

[Overdrive]

13 playoffs a piece
LBJ even passed MJ using far less FGA too

GOAT

Can you cite the games played?

[ELITEpower23]

Can you cite the games played?

https://media.giphy.com/media/L4eiv18RmXFd6nnb4S/giphy.gif

Cite the points: 6911

[Axe]

https://media.giphy.com/media/L4eiv18RmXFd6nnb4S/giphy.gif

Cite the points: 6911
Congratulations.

Your true colors are now exposed, mongrel.

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Then your just as dumb as he is if you actually think the only thing Jordan did was score.

No, understand that was literally Jordan's primary role per Phil Jackson. LeBron plays with primary roles usually assigned to 3 or more players on a regular team (like the 90s Bulls). Channing Frye knows more about basketball than everyone in this thread combined.

[LAL]

No, understand that was literally Jordan's primary role per Phil Jackson. LeBron plays with primary roles usually assigned to 3 or more players on a regular team (like the 90s Bulls). Channing Frye knows more about basketball than everyone in this thread combined.

That's because Lebron can't play the MJ/Kobe/Kawhi/KD role. MJ and Kobe could play the Lebron/Harden/Westbrook/Doncic role in their sleep. Idiot. Kawhi about to tie him in rings in 10 years less, That's why lebron needs superstar shot creators in his team. Channing frye has to dumb down his opinion for his buddy, like you guys do. Just showing he's a good friend.

[Kblaze8855]

The last 8 alts you had spamming this nonsense were plenty.

[RogueBorg]

Literally same # of playoffs but MJ took more shots and still scored less. the one thing jordan was supposedly better at than lebron was scoring and he is #2 in that as well. Damn shame. Ya hate to see it.

https://imgbbb.com/images/2020/06/02/all-that-and-still.png

LeBron 239 playoff games
MJ 179 playoff games*

*Extrapolate this out to 239 games equates to 7,982 points.

I'd MUCH rather have played 179 games with a 33.4 ppg scoring average, 6 championship rings, and 6 Finals MVP's over 6,911 points and only 3 rings and 3 Finals MVP's.

I guarantee you all would trade the points for 3 more rings...
https://media2.giphy.com/media/l2JdUhw8mMsaQxaAE/200.gif

[deathawaitu]

6911 yet 0 in the West :cry:

.33 finals

1-12 without Jones

LeGoat Standard :rockon:

[ImKobe]

That's a longevity record, as is Kareem's. No one has Kareem close to the GOAT scorer, despite him scoring the most points.

There's also the issue that the Playoffs were shorter for a long time with less rounds in the Russell/Wilt era and with there being a bo5 first round during MJ's era, all the way up to the early 2000s. Also, the stat totals are inflated in today's era with the rule changes. Then you add in the context of Lebron playing in the weakest Conference in league history, and it all makes a lot of sense.

[deathawaitu]

The most valued aspect of basketball is scoring

The highest level of competition is the playoffs

So the highest scorer in the highest level of competition should be GOAT



What’s wrong with that argument?

Banned

Kblaze keeping ISH trolls in check :applause:

[Kblaze8855]

That's a longevity record, as is Kareem's. No one has Kareem close to the GOAT scorer, despite him scoring the most points.

There's also the issue that the Playoffs were shorter for a long time with less rounds in the Russell/Wilt era and with there being a bo5 first round during MJ's era, all the way up to the early 2000s. Also, the stat totals are inflated in today's era with the rule changes. Then you add in the context of Lebron playing in the weakest Conference in league history, and it all makes a lot of sense.

I think when you say “No one” has Kareem close to GOAT scorer you’re only counting people who never actually saw him. Kareem would come up a lot as the best scorer ever if you polled people who have first hand experience even as a viewer. I’ve heard Kareem listed as the best scorer ever by a few players who were around for him.

[Soundwave]

PPG is the metric the NBA uses to award scoring champions, not overall points.

Whoever has the highest PPG wins the scoring title, whoever has the highest PPG is the best scorer.

Want to cry about it, go grab a tissue.

Overall points in basketball is merely a measure of longevity, which is commendable, but it's not the central metric by which scoring leaders are judged by.

[Kblaze8855]

PPG is the metric the NBA uses to award scoring champions, not overall points.

Whoever has the highest PPG wins the scoring title, whoever has the highest PPG is the best scorer.



There was an argument about that when they changed it. Elvin Hayes and Kareem were at the center of it. The scoring champ was the total point leader the same way total determine leader in every other sport. Nobody even knows the per game leaders in any other sport. I think Kareem referenced football and asked if any reporter knew who the yards per game leader was in the nfl.

Im not sure why the nba changed but the first 30-35 years it was all totals.

Wilt and I think Lenny Wilkens had a race for assist title that I believe was totals not per game. Per game...Wilt did not lead the nba. We just say he’s a center who led because for half of history that’s how it was counted.

[Soundwave]

There was an argument about that when they changed it. Elvin Hayes and Kareem were at the center of it. The scoring champ was the total point leader the same way total determine leader in every other sport. Nobody even knows the per game leaders in any other sport. I think Kareem referenced football and asked if any reporter knew who the yards per game leader was in the nfl.

Im not sure why the nba changed but the first 30-35 years it was all totals.

Wilt and I think Lenny Wilkens had a race for assist title that I believe was totals not per game. Per game...Wilt did not lead the nba. We just say he’s a center who led because for half of history that’s how it was counted.

PPG is the correct metric to use to judge who is the better scorer, it cuts out the BS and tells you who scores more on the basketball court on per game basis.

Total points is stupid, a guy could win the scoring title based on the fact that some other guy had an ankle sprain that kept him out 5 games or something. The NBA changed this ages ago for good reason.

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MJ shot more but he won more. Almost seems worth it

When referring to MJ winning in the playoffs we must do as Jordan asks and refer to him as MJ-Pippen.

So in terms of wins, any comparison between LeBron and Jordan is actually a comparison between LeBron and MJ-Pippen.

Keep that in mind.

LeBron won 37 more playoff games than MJ-Pippen in the same amount of seasons, so technically LeBron won more.

[Kblaze8855]

PPG is the correct metric to use to judge who is the better scorer, it cuts out the BS and tells you who scores more on the basketball court on per game basis.

Total points is stupid, a guy could win the scoring title based on the fact that some other guy had an ankle sprain that kept him out 5 games or something. The NBA changed this ages ago for good reason.


Which is exactly the same for say....nfl rushing leader. But we don’t care. I don’t know that there’s a right or wrong. Just that counting playoff totals is idiotic because history changed the formats too many times and more dominant performances lead to less points because you sweep people instead of going deep into a series.

[Roundball_Rock]

Nobody even knows the per game leaders in any other sport

Exactly. The most iconic record in American sports is the home run record. Does anybody know who the HR per game leader is*? It's the same in every other sport. Nick Foles threw 27 TD's in 10 starts in 2013 and nobody went around talking about how great his "TD per game" numbers were. In 2017 Ezekiel Elliot was the rushing yards per game leader but the rushing champ was Kareem Hunt.

*It is McGwire per at bat while Aaron is 40th--which confirms the point. No one cares about per at bat. Aaron is the (legitimate) HR king.

[ELITEpower23]

Which is exactly the same for say....nfl rushing leader. But we don’t care. I don’t know that there’s a right or wrong. Just that counting playoff totals is idiotic because history changed the formats too many times and more dominant performances lead to less points because you sweep people instead of going deep into a series.

I agree for a single year that makes sense, but when you're comparing two players over 13 playoffs each and one made nine finals but the other one only made six well yeah it makes sense the guy with nine finals is going to score more points. He wasn't eliminated in the first round three times so your argument falls flat.

[2ball]

I agree for a single year that makes sense, but when you're comparing two players over 13 playoffs each and one made nine finals but the other one only made six well yeah it makes sense the guy with nine finals is going to score more points. He wasn't eliminated in the first round three times so your argument falls flat.

Add to that that MJ didn’t allow a game 7 and won all 6 of his finals and it makes sense

[ELITEpower23]

PPG is the correct metric to use to judge who is the better scorer, it cuts out the BS and tells you who scores more on the basketball court on per game basis.

Total points is stupid, a guy could win the scoring title based on the fact that some other guy had an ankle sprain that kept him out 5 games or something. The NBA changed this ages ago for good reason.

For a single season, okau sure. For a career? Nope.

[ELITEpower23]

Add to that that MJ didn’t allow a game 7 and won all 6 of his finals and it makes sense

He has 6 Finals to 9
He had 3 1st rd loss to 0

Its obvious...

[2ball]

He has 6 Finals to 9
He had 3 1st rd loss to 0

Its obvious...
MJ never failed when he got to the big dance.

[Roundball_Rock]

Add to that that MJ didn’t allow a game 7 and won all 6 of his finals and it makes sense

So why did he "allow" Game 7's in the ECF and ECSF as well as Game 5's (the final game of the first round then)?

The "allow" stuff is mythology but you are on to a legitimate point: the Bulls were so dominant they had fewer games than other finals teams or even champs. The Bulls did not lose a single first round game during their title years, for example (3-0 and 3-1 in 94' and 95'). They went 24-8 even in the ECF, including 20-5 from 91' to 97'. To put that ECF dominance in perspective, they had a 62 win pace in the ECF alone and a 66 win pace in the ECF prior to 98' when they were running low on gas. This against the second best team (in theory) in their conference...