Grant Napear resigns after “All Lives Matter” tweet

[Walk on Water]

https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/kings-tv-play-play-announcer-001705488.html

After Cousins reaches out. Andre Miller also said that All lives matter is a go 2 racist remark.

Now that we know this, we have to be careful to not say that.

[FultzNationRISE]

Grant Napear: “All Lives Matter.”

NBC Sports:

Grant Napear’s recent comments on Twitter do not reflect the views of NBC Sports California. We’ve spoken to Grant’s employer, the Sacramento Kings, about the matter.”


:roll:

[light]

https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/kings-tv-play-play-announcer-001705488.html

After Cousins reaches out. Andre Miller also said that All lives matter is a go 2 racist remark.

Now that we know this, we have to be careful to not say that.

I don't have to be careful. I would never say that to begin with.

[FKAri]

Never seen a home announcer hate their own player as much as Napear hated Cousins throughout his tenure :oldlol:

[theman93]

Black lives matter, but we never hear a peep from the BLM movement about how Planned Parenthood kills 675,000 black boys and girls every year - an institution founded by documented racist Margaret Sanger who spoke at KKK rallys and is on record saying, “we don’t want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population...”

Black lives matter, but we literally never see the kind of outrage we’re seeing now when a black person kills another black person - a far more frequent occurrence than a white cop killing a black person (and yes both deserve condemnation).

Black lives matter, but black people are looting, pillaging, and burning down black owned businesses and businesses black people are employed at who will now be without jobs to support themselves and/or their families.

Black lives matter, but there were no protests over the lives of 5 year old Kearria Attison and her 4 year old sister Paris West when they were killed by black men who had a dispute over $180 in Jacksonville.

Black lives matter, so be consistent all the way around.

This isn’t only about black lives mattering anymore when people of all different skin colors are being killed, having their businesses and homes burned to the ground, having their communities destroyed, etc. So yes all lives matter and no one should be ashamed for saying it because this isn’t just about black lives anymore.

[JohnMax]

If you don't like BLM, you don't like NBA basketball

[1987_Lakers]

If you don't like BLM, you don't like NBA basketball

:oldlol:

[Norcaliblunt]

What about “no lives matter”? Is that cool?

[insight]

Black lives matter, but we never hear a peep from the BLM movement about how Planned Parenthood kills 675,000 black boys and girls every year - an institution founded by documented racist Margaret Sanger who spoke at KKK rallys and is on record saying, “we don’t want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population...”

Black lives matter, but we literally never see the kind of outrage weÂ’re seeing now when a black person kills another black person - a far more frequent occurrence than a white cop killing a black person (and yes both deserve condemnation).

Black lives matter, but black people are looting, pillaging, and burning down black owned businesses and businesses black people are employed at who will now be without jobs to support themselves and/or their families.

Black lives matter, but there were no protests over the lives of 5 year old Kearria Attison and her 4 year old sister Paris West when they were killed by black men who had a dispute over $180 in Jacksonville.

Black lives matter, so be consistent all the way around.

This isnÂ’t only about black lives mattering anymore when people of all different skin colors are being killed, having their businesses and homes burned to the ground, having their communities destroyed, etc. So yes all lives matter and no one should be ashamed for saying it because this isnÂ’t just about black lives anymore.
I'm not a member of the Black lives matter movement but they don't get paid by U.S tax dollars to serve and protect the community. They are activist group, just like the Animal humane society.
Why don't you complain about the Animal Humane society not focusing on human beings and just animals ? Shouldn't they protect they cows and pigs that are being slaughtered everyday. Your logic is ridiculous.
People are protesting because the justice system is not working in cases involving blacks being victimized by police.
The Attison case is not even a remotely similar situation because The assailants in the Kearria Attison tragedy were brought to justice.
Go watch the video tape of George Floyd being chocked to death over a 8 minute period and then tell my why it is wrong for anybody to protest that type of treatment of a human being! You can repair a broken window or replace merchandise but you can't bring back a life. Looting is wrong we all agree on that but keep it in perspective.

I don't think Grant Napear should have been fired. I think they should have made it mandatory that he attend racial sensitivity training so he has a better understanding of the inequalities that exist and have existed in America for centuries. What would happen if an NBA owner made the same statement, would he lose his team?

[FultzNationRISE]

If you don't like BLM, you don't like NBA basketball


:lol

[Da_Realist]

Black lives matter, but we never hear a peep from the BLM movement about how Planned Parenthood kills 675,000 black boys and girls every year - an institution founded by documented racist Margaret Sanger who spoke at KKK rallys and is on record saying, “we don’t want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population...”

Black lives matter, but we literally never see the kind of outrage we’re seeing now when a black person kills another black person - a far more frequent occurrence than a white cop killing a black person (and yes both deserve condemnation).

Black lives matter, but black people are looting, pillaging, and burning down black owned businesses and businesses black people are employed at who will now be without jobs to support themselves and/or their families.

Black lives matter, but there were no protests over the lives of 5 year old Kearria Attison and her 4 year old sister Paris West when they were killed by black men who had a dispute over $180 in Jacksonville.

Black lives matter, so be consistent all the way around.

This isn’t only about black lives mattering anymore when people of all different skin colors are being killed, having their businesses and homes burned to the ground, having their communities destroyed, etc. So yes all lives matter and no one should be ashamed for saying it because this isn’t just about black lives anymore.

:applause:

[Lion's pride]

What about “no lives matter”? Is that cool?

that would make you and anarchist not racist.. or maybe both...

[Lion's pride]

Black lives matter, but we never hear a peep from the BLM movement about how Planned Parenthood kills 675,000 black boys and girls every year - an institution founded by documented racist Margaret Sanger who spoke at KKK rallys and is on record saying, “we don’t want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population...”

Black lives matter, but we literally never see the kind of outrage we’re seeing now when a black person kills another black person - a far more frequent occurrence than a white cop killing a black person (and yes both deserve condemnation).

Black lives matter, but black people are looting, pillaging, and burning down black owned businesses and businesses black people are employed at who will now be without jobs to support themselves and/or their families.

Black lives matter, but there were no protests over the lives of 5 year old Kearria Attison and her 4 year old sister Paris West when they were killed by black men who had a dispute over $180 in Jacksonville.

Black lives matter, so be consistent all the way around.

This isn’t only about black lives mattering anymore when people of all different skin colors are being killed, having their businesses and homes burned to the ground, having their communities destroyed, etc. So yes all lives matter and no one should be ashamed for saying it because this isn’t just about black lives anymore.

:applause::applause:

[Lion's pride]

Sorry all my human brothers, but since I grew up it has always been .. white person disagree with black person = RACIST.. black person disagree with black person = uncle Tom...

nothing has changed since this..

[Lion's pride]

for the record, being white doesn't stop me from thinking that the things that MLK has stated are some of the greatest and wisest things ever...

YET no one follows or even knows what he has said..

This generation is so damn stupid as a whole...

[theman93]

I'm not a member of the Black lives matter movement but they don't get paid by U.S tax dollars to serve and protect the community. They are activist group, just like the Animal humane society.
Why don't you complain about the Animal Humane society not focusing on human beings and just animals ? Shouldn't they protect they cows and pigs that are being slaughtered everyday. Your logic is ridiculous.
People are protesting because the justice system is not working in cases involving blacks being victimized by police.
The Attison case is not even a remotely similar situation because The assailants in the Kearria Attison tragedy were brought to justice.
Go watch the video tape of George Floyd being chocked to death over a 8 minute period and then tell my why it is wrong for anybody to protest that type of treatment of a human being! You can repair a broken window or replace merchandise but you can't bring back a life. Looting is wrong we all agree on that but keep it in perspective.

I don't think Grant Napear should have been fired. I think they should have made it mandatory that he attend racial sensitivity training so he has a better understanding of the inequalities that exist and have existed in America for centuries. What would happen if an NBA owner made the same statement, would he lose his team?

What a terrible question. The reason I don't care about the Animal Humane society focusing on animals and not human beings is because their organization is created to focus on animals, not humans.

Black Lives Matter is an activist group that only brings awareness to black lives mattering if their life is taken by a white cop. When have you ever seen them marching, protesting, or rioting if a black life is lost in a different fashion? It never happens. It's a ridiculous double standard.

And justice has been served in the Attison case? What are you even talking about? Nobody has been sentenced yet. Charges were made, warrants went out, and the men involved were arrested. Exactly like the cops involved in the Floyd case.

I have watched the George Floyd tape, multiple times actually (and for the record, he isn't some angel the masses have made him out to be - he has an extensive criminal background which includes theft with a firearm and breaking in to a pregnant woman's home and holding her at gunpoint while 4 other men looted her home and stole her wallet and phone) and I have no problem people protesting what happened to him because it was evil. My problem lies with this phony BLM movement because they clearly don't care about black lives unless it's taken by a white cop. There is absolutely zero consistency as I already described.

I certainly hope an NBA owner wouldn't lose his team if he made the correct and true statement that, "all lives matter." It is ridiculous that Napear felt the need to resign for saying that. Black lives are not the only lives being effected here.

[Stanley Kobrick]

I'm not a member of the Black lives matter movement but they don't get paid by U.S tax dollars to serve and protect the community. They are activist group, just like the Animal humane society.
Why don't you complain about the Animal Humane society not focusing on human beings and just animals ? Shouldn't they protect they cows and pigs that are being slaughtered everyday. Your logic is ridiculous.
People are protesting because the justice system is not working in cases involving blacks being victimized by police.
The Attison case is not even a remotely similar situation because The assailants in the Kearria Attison tragedy were brought to justice.
Go watch the video tape of George Floyd being chocked to death over a 8 minute period and then tell my why it is wrong for anybody to protest that type of treatment of a human being! You can repair a broken window or replace merchandise but you can't bring back a life. Looting is wrong we all agree on that but keep it in perspective.

I don't think Grant Napear should have been fired. I think they should have made it mandatory that he attend racial sensitivity training so he has a better understanding of the inequalities that exist and have existed in America for centuries. What would happen if an NBA owner made the same statement, would he lose his team?
:cheers:

[Da_Realist]

What a terrible question. The reason I don't care about the Animal Humane society focusing on animals and not human beings is because their organization is created to focus on animals, not humans.

Black Lives Matter is an activist group that only brings awareness to black lives mattering if their life is taken by a white cop. When have you ever seen them marching, protesting, or rioting if a black life is lost in a different fashion? It never happens. It's a ridiculous double standard.

And justice has been served in the Attison case? What are you even talking about? Nobody has been sentenced yet. Charges were made, warrants went out, and the men involved were arrested. Exactly like the cops involved in the Floyd case.

I have watched the George Floyd tape, multiple times actually (and for the record, he isn't some angel the masses have made him out to be - he has an extensive criminal background which includes theft with a firearm and breaking in to a pregnant woman's home and holding her at gunpoint while 4 other men looted her home and stole her wallet and phone) and I have no problem people protesting what happened to him because it was evil. My problem lies with this phony BLM movement because they clearly don't care about black lives unless it's taken by a white cop. There is absolutely zero consistency as I already described.

I certainly hope an NBA owner wouldn't lose his team if he made the correct and true statement that, "all lives matter." It is ridiculous that Napear felt the need to resign for saying that. Black lives are not the only lives being effected here.

Preach.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLuJa9X21PE

[Lebron23]

The guy is a closet racist said by some of the Kings employee. And he hates Demarcus Cousins when he played for that team.

[theman93]

Preach.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLuJa9X21PE

These guys get it. Good for them.

[imdaman99]

While it's true that every life matters, you can't say something so tone-deaf right now.

[insight]

What a terrible question. The reason I don't care about the Animal Humane society focusing on animals and not human beings is because their organization is created to focus on animals, not humans.

Black Lives Matter is an activist group that only brings awareness to black lives mattering if their life is taken by a white cop. When have you ever seen them marching, protesting, or rioting if a black life is lost in a different fashion? It never happens. It's a ridiculous double standard.

And justice has been served in the Attison case? What are you even talking about? Nobody has been sentenced yet. Charges were made, warrants went out, and the men involved were arrested. Exactly like the cops involved in the Floyd case.

I have watched the George Floyd tape, multiple times actually (and for the record, he isn't some angel the masses have made him out to be - he has an extensive criminal background which includes theft with a firearm and breaking in to a pregnant woman's home and holding her at gunpoint while 4 other men looted her home and stole her wallet and phone) and I have no problem people protesting what happened to him because it was evil. My problem lies with this phony BLM movement because they clearly don't care about black lives unless it's taken by a white cop. There is absolutely zero consistency as I already described.

I certainly hope an NBA owner wouldn't lose his team if he made the correct and true statement that, "all lives matter." It is ridiculous that Napear felt the need to resign for saying that. Black lives are not the only lives being effected here.

Black Lives Matter was created to address Police Violence and systemic racism toward black people. Just like ADL is a Jewish organization that fights anti-Semitism.
Why is that concept so hard for you got grasp?
Black Lives Matter is ONE activist group, there are dozens of organization which address racial inequality from different perspectives, like National Urban League, 100 Black Men NAACP, AAPC ,ACLU to name a few.
Double Standard? SHOW ME ONE VIDEO WHERE AN UNARMED WHITE MAN OR WOMEN IS KILLED BY THE POLICE!
JUST ONE EXAMPLE PLEASE. I WONT HOLD MY BREATH!

You keep avoiding the REAL ISSUE. I wonder why?
Black lives matter focuses on Black people because they are the group that keep getting killed by the very people sworn to protect and serve them. There are plenty of other criminal justice reforms that need to happen outside of what Black lives focuses on. Problems like racial profiling and bias which lead to unwarranted police stops of minorities, excessive force, and disparities in criminal sentencing. You can continue to pretend these are not real issues or blame black lives for whatever but stop trying to slander George Floyd, the man is dead! Nobody is an angel and nobody deserves to die like that.

[AllLivesMatter]

How is saying All Lives Matter rascist you retards?

The movement should be All Lives Matter, because we should all be coming together as a people in this fight for equality progression!

Black people as usual so sensitive to the point that they misconstrue everything for rascism.

Jeeze imagine if white people cam spit with a #Whitelivesmatter movement lmfao uh oh watch out, can’t do that, but yet they can broadcast their self centred protests, it should be about unity as a people, not unity as a single race.

[Da_Realist]

Black lives matter focuses on Black people because they are the group that keep getting killed by the very people sworn to protect and serve them. There are plenty of other criminal justice reforms that need to happen outside of what Black lives focuses on. Problems like racial profiling and bias which lead to unwarranted police stops of minorities, excessive force, and disparities in criminal sentencing. You can continue to pretend these are not real issues or blame black lives for whatever but stop trying to slander George Floyd, the man is dead! Nobody is an angel and nobody deserves to die like that.

https://i.postimg.cc/XvLQj8Nq/blacks-more-likely-to-kill-cops.png

[Da_Realist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQCQFH5wOJo

[insight]

Preach.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLuJa9X21PE
Why do you continue to post this political nonsense. People are unjustly be abused and killed by people sworn to protect them and you this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2W7o6Sig3A

[AllLivesMatter]

Black Lives Matter was created to address Police Violence and systemic racism toward black people. Just like ADL is a Jewish organization that fights anti-Semitism.
Why is that concept so hard for you got grasp?
Black Lives Matter is ONE activist group, there are dozens of organization which address racial inequality from different perspectives, like National Urban League, 100 Black Men NAACP, AAPC ,ACLU to name a few.
Double Standard? SHOW ME ONE VIDEO WHERE AN UNARMED WHITE MAN OR WOMEN IS KILLED BY THE POLICE!
JUST ONE EXAMPLE PLEASE. I WONT HOLD MY BREATH!

You keep avoiding the REAL ISSUE. I wonder why?
Black lives matter focuses on Black people because they are the group that keep getting killed by the very people sworn to protect and serve them. There are plenty of other criminal justice reforms that need to happen outside of what Black lives focuses on. Problems like racial profiling and bias which lead to unwarranted police stops of minorities, excessive force, and disparities in criminal sentencing. You can continue to pretend these are not real issues or blame black lives for whatever but stop trying to slander George Floyd, the man is dead! Nobody is an angel and nobody deserves to die like that.

Why doesn’t black lives focus on a far more serious issue like black on black crime?

[insight]

Why doesnÂ’t black lives focus on a far more serious issue like black on black crime? You are talking about apples and oranges.
Black on Black crimes do not go unpunished. Police have been allowed to brutalize the black community with impunity. Police are also in positions of power there sworn duty is to protect and serve the community. If they are allowed to brutalize a segment of the community based on skin color without impunity it undermines the entire law enforcement system. You can't fully address Black on Black crime with mistrust between law enforcement and the black community. Law enforcement in any community is a partnership, but most blacks do not feel the police are there to serve and protect them.

[insight]

Why doesnÂ’t black lives focus on a far more serious issue like black on black crime? You are talking about apples and oranges.
Black on Black crimes do not go unpunished. Police have been allowed to brutalize the black community with impunity. Police are also in positions of power whose sworn duty is to protect and serve the community. If they are allowed to brutalize a segment of the community based on skin color without impunity it undermines the entire law enforcement system. You can't fully address Black on Black crime when mistrust between law enforcement the black community. Law enforcement in any community is a partnership, but most blacks do not feel the police are there to serve and protect them.

[theman93]

Black Lives Matter was created to address Police Violence and systemic racism toward black people. Just like ADL is a Jewish organization that fights anti-Semitism.
Why is that concept so hard for you got grasp?
Black Lives Matter is ONE activist group, there are dozens of organization which address racial inequality from different perspectives, like National Urban League, 100 Black Men NAACP, AAPC ,ACLU to name a few.
Double Standard? SHOW ME ONE VIDEO WHERE AN UNARMED WHITE MAN OR WOMEN IS KILLED BY THE POLICE!
JUST ONE EXAMPLE PLEASE. I WONT HOLD MY BREATH!

You keep avoiding the REAL ISSUE. I wonder why?
Black lives matter focuses on Black people because they are the group that keep getting killed by the very people sworn to protect and serve them. There are plenty of other criminal justice reforms that need to happen outside of what Black lives focuses on. Problems like racial profiling and bias which lead to unwarranted police stops of minorities, excessive force, and disparities in criminal sentencing. You can continue to pretend these are not real issues or blame black lives for whatever but stop trying to slander George Floyd, the man is dead! Nobody is an angel and nobody deserves to die like that.

I would highly recommend you do your research. You think a little bit of anecdotal evidence from these videos paint the whole picture?

The following data is from the Washington Post database..

2015: 32 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 38 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2016: 22 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 19 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2017: 31 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 22 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2018: 23 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 17 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2019: 20 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 10 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2020: 10 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 3 unarmed black people shot and killed by police

So since 2015, 138 unarmed white people were shot and killed by the police, and 109 unarmed black people were shot and killed by the police - and if you look at just the 2018 data, black people accounted for 38% of violent crimes while only making up 13% of the population while white people accounted for 58% of violent crimes while making up 77% of the population (ojjdp.gov). If you look at murder alone, black people accounted for 53% of murders while only making up 13% of the population while white people accounted for 44% of murders while making up 77% of the population.

In other words, more unarmed white people are shot and killed by the police than unarmed black people even though black people are responsible for exponentially more violent crimes in comparison to their population.

Have you ever thought that just maybe black people face longer jail sentences than white people because they commit crimes as a whole (not even talking violent crimes here) at double the rate of white people in comparison to their population? This means that more black people tend to be repeat offenders than white people which equals longer sentences.

If systemic racism exists, what laws can you point to today that are innately discriminatory?

[bobopenguin]

#AllLivesMatter
cos Mr Mandela never fought for just black ppl's right back in apartheid time, he fought for human's right.

[theman93]

If BLM was strictly created to address police violence and systemic racism toward black people then how come on their very own website they state, "We must ensure we are building a movement that brings all of us to the front" while they ignore the racist institution right in their backyards that slaughter their children by the hundreds of thousands every single year? If they are about bringing "all" of them to the front, why don't they protest, march, and riot in the cities where black people kill black people by the hundreds? Simple. Because they don't care.

[insight]

I would highly recommend you do your research. You think a little bit of anecdotal evidence from these videos paint the whole picture?

The following data is from the Washington Post database..

2015: 32 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 38 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2016: 22 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 19 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2017: 31 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 22 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2018: 23 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 17 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2019: 20 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 10 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2020: 10 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 3 unarmed black people shot and killed by police

So since 2015, 138 unarmed white people were shot and killed by the police, and 109 unarmed black people were shot and killed by the police - and if you look at just the 2018 data, black people accounted for 38% of violent crimes while only making up 13% of the population while white people accounted for 58% of violent crimes while making up 77% of the population (ojjdp.gov). If you look at murder alone, black people accounted for 53% of murders while only making up 13% of the population while white people accounted for 44% of murders while making up 77% of the population.

In other words, more unarmed white people are shot and killed by the police than unarmed black people even though black people are responsible for exponentially more violent crimes in comparison to their population.

Have you ever thought that just maybe black people face longer jail sentences than white people because they commit crimes as a whole (not even talking violent crimes here) at double the rate of white people in comparison to their population? This means that more black people tend to be repeat offenders than white people which equals longer sentences.

If systemic racism exists, what laws can you point to today that are innately discriminatory?

If you statistics are any where close to what you claim you should be able to produce ONE VIDEO!

SHOW ME ONE VIDEO WHERE AN UNARMED WHITE MAN OR WOMEN IS KILLED BY THE POLICE!
JUST ONE EXAMPLE PLEASE. I WONT HOLD MY BREATH!

I can give tons of examples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyFH-g3lMA8

[Lebron23]

Why do you continue to post this political nonsense. People are unjustly be abused and killed by people sworn to protect them and you this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2W7o6Sig3A

The guy is a coon. I doubt he is a black guy. Guy is socially unaware like that idiot Michael Jordan.

[Lebron23]

If you statistics are any where close to what you claim you should be able to produce ONE VIDEO!

SHOW ME ONE VIDEO WHERE AN UNARMED WHITE MAN OR WOMEN IS KILLED BY THE POLICE!
JUST ONE EXAMPLE PLEASE. I WONT HOLD MY BREATH!

I can give tons of examples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyFH-g3lMA8

A bunch of racist in this forum. Bunch of basement dwellers.

[insight]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQCQFH5wOJo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQq4okYH45I
Don't take my word, just listen to what a police officer tells a scared white women when she refuses to put her hands down. It's on tape. I quote, REMEMBER WE ONLY SHOOT BLACK PEOPLE"

[theman93]

If you statistics are any where close to what you claim you should be able to produce ONE VIDEO!

SHOW ME ONE VIDEO WHERE AN UNARMED WHITE MAN OR WOMEN IS KILLED BY THE POLICE!
JUST ONE EXAMPLE PLEASE. I WONT HOLD MY BREATH!

I can give tons of examples.

I gave you 138 examples. If you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore the facts then that's on you for being ignorant.

[theman93]

A bunch of racist in this forum. Bunch of basement dwellers.

Statistics aren't racist.

[LAmbruh]

https://i.redd.it/9lmv3hgt1t251.jpg

[insight]

I gave you 138 examples. If you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore the facts then that's on you for being ignorant.
I asked for ONE VIDEO.
You keep hiding behind half baked statistics when there is plenty of video evidence to the contrary. America was built on slavery, blacks have been marginalized for centuries, yet you can't seem to comprehend inequalities in the judicial system today. Why don't you complain the Anti Defamation League they focus on Jewish injustice. Maybe you do and make claims that the Holocaust never happened.

[insight]

#AllLivesMatter
cos Mr Mandela never fought for just black ppl's right back in apartheid time, he fought for human's right.

Are you serious or joking because I don't know what are you talking about?
Apartheid was a system of racial segregation, which marginalized Black South Africans. Mandela was a civil right activist who was thrown in jail for attempting to overthrow the racist system.

[Horatio33]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQCQFH5wOJo

Right wing funded PragerU

[3ball]

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https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-04-2020/Pp6LbD.gif

[Stephonit]

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https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-04-2020/Pp6LbD.gif

The sketch doesn't even make sense. That shows a supposed fireman not dedicating enough firefighting resources to the burning house. The problem with the police isn't not enough policing but too much.

[3ball]

The sketch doesn't even make sense. That shows a supposed fireman not dedicating enough firefighting resources to the burning house. The problem with the police isn't not enough policing but too much.

By murdering blacks, the cops show they don't care about black lives... Just like the fireman doesn't care about that other house

[FultzNationRISE]

By murdering blacks, the cops show they don't care about black lives... Just like the fireman doesn't care about that other house


Cops have an obligation to treat all people equally and do their jobs within the limits of the law. We know it doesnt always happen but we all agree that should be the standard and that SHOULD be how it works.

The idea that we have to employ some kind of Thought Policing to conform every policeman’s personal views to something that makes this or that group feel more valued is... ridiculous. Because it’s impossible.

Feelings arent grounds for legislation. Only actions. Cops must obey laws, when they dont they should be punished appropriately.

Theres nothing else to discuss. “Black lives” is basically a non-sequitur litmus test designed to see who will conform to THAT movement’s self declared authority, and whom they should brand as an opponent.

It’s a tribalistic slogan designed to find out who is woke/subservient, and who is “the other.”

[3ball]

Cops have an obligation to treat all people equally and do their jobs within the limits of the law. We know it doesnt always happen but we all agree that should be the standard and that SHOULD be how it works.

The idea that we have to employ some kind of Thought Policing to conform every policeman’s personal views to something that makes this or that group feel more valued is... ridiculous. Because it’s impossible.

Feelings arent grounds for legislation. Only actions. Cops must obey laws, when they dont they should be punished appropriately.

Theres nothing else to discuss. “Black lives” is basically a non-sequitur litmus test designed to see who will conform to THAT movement’s self declared authority, and whom they should brand as an opponent.

It’s a tribalistic slogan designed to find out who is woke/subservient, and who is “the other.”

When a cop sees a white guy walking down the street, they think... Nothing

When a cop sees a black guy walking down the street, they think.... "I wonder if he's got warrants.. is there any way I can check"

They're trained this way... It's a video game and blacks are the bad guys... That's why blacks get arrested far more than whites for weed despite equal usage rates.. that's just 1 example

So the United States Police force is racist

Period

And it must change

And even 1 bad cop in 100 is a ton... That cop can do a lot of damage in a month, year, or 30 year career.... And it's more like 7-8 bad cops per 100, hence brothas getting hunted down the in the street by cops on a very regular basis

[Stephonit]

"Black lives matter" - Blacks need to be treated better.
"All lives matter" - Blacks need to be treated like everyone else.

Stuck up BLM drone: I'm offended by "all lives matter" [translation to someone else's ears: I'm offended by the idea blacks should be treated like everyone else]

It does not matter that there are some provocateurs that are using "all lives matter" as a rejoinder to "black lives matter" to bait BLM supporters. The fact that BLM supporters so easily take the bait is the problem.

[Da_Realist]

Sad news. Had a heated conversation 2 nights ago about Black Lives Matter with a longtime friend. He argued that blacks greatest threat is racist cops. I told him the facts say otherwise. Blacks on black crime is exponentially more numerous than cop on black crime.

I texted him again last night but received no answer.

Then my mom told me this morning my friend's cousin was shot to death last night by a group of thugs. --> https://www.thv11.com/article/news/crime/late-night-homicide-off-napa-valley-drive/91-d0e7cc3b-545c-42cb-914e-9a078c609fff

I know so many shot and some killed by the hands of other black males. I don't personally know anyone that's been killed by cop. I know it exists but I don't have any experience with it nor do any of my friends and family. We are just led by the liberal media to believe we are constantly in danger from being killed by cops. I've been pulled over for speeding, for screwing around in the back seat of my car and even on suspicion of child abduction (I was playfully dragging the kids outside a Best Buy. Someone anonymously called the cops because there had been a report that someone had kidnapped 2 black kids. They thought it was me.) Never had a bad experience. I showed respect. They asked questions. I answered them. They asked my kids questions. They let us go. Not saying this is always the case for everyone but it happens more often than we'd like to admit right now.

But black on black crime? I've lost several friends and family members to black on black crime. Now my friend has lost his cousin. (By the way, this same friend got busted smuggling drugs across state lines in 2012 and had to go to federal prison for 3 or 4 years. He never said the cops did anything to him. He only referenced what he has seen on tv.)

You can call me a coon or uncle tom all you want. I know you are attacking me because you can't say sh*t about the facts I'm posting. Being accountable to what's going on in our own community is the first step to getting out of this mess. And the first step to being accountable is to look in the mirror.

https://i.postimg.cc/cJ39P4mm/Black-Lies-Matter.png

This book totally exposes the lies and hypocrisy that "Black Lives Matter" is founded on.



Booker T. Washington -- There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.

[3ball]

"Black lives matter" - Blacks need to be treated better.
"All lives matter" - Blacks need to be treated like everyone else.

Stuck up BLM drone: I'm offended by "all lives matter" [translation to someone else's ears: I'm offended by the idea blacks should be treated like everyone else]

It does not matter that there are some provocateurs that are using "all lives matter" as a rejoinder to "black lives matter" to bait BLM supporters. The fact that BLM supporters so easily take the bait is the problem.

Pure fire

[FultzNationRISE]

Booker T. Washington -- There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.


I suspect he’s referring to the likes of W.E.B. DuKapernick, and he’s quite right.


The average American, of any race, has no idea who Booker T or WEB were. They know virtually nothing about black history other than “there was slavery.” Not that most would amend their opinions based on further education anyway.

People make the predetermined decision to line up among the peer group they wish to belong to. Theyre more than happy to then conform their thinking to whatever affirms their inclusion with that group. No independence or objectivity necessary.

[3ball]

I suspect he’s referring to the likes of W.E.B. DuKapernick, and he’s quite right.


The average American, of any race, has no idea who Booker T or WEB were. They know virtually nothing about black history other than “there was slavery.” Not that most would amend their opinions based on further education anyway.

People make the predetermined decision to line up among the peer group they wish to belong to. Theyre more than happy to then conform their thinking to whatever affirms their inclusion with that group. No independence or objectivity necessary.

Slavery is why blacks are at a lower socioeconomic position than whites and other races

If you don't see that then you have a mental deficit in this area

[theman93]

I asked for ONE VIDEO.
You keep hiding behind half baked statistics when there is plenty of video evidence to the contrary. America was built on slavery, blacks have been marginalized for centuries, yet you can't seem to comprehend inequalities in the judicial system today. Why don't you complain the Anti Defamation League they focus on Jewish injustice. Maybe you do and make claims that the Holocaust never happened.


What is half baked about the statistics I presented? It is non-bias factual information. You just want to discredit it because it doesn’t fit your narrative. You’ve done nothing to logically dispute any of it.

As for a video you wanted where, “an unarmed white man or woman is killed by the police”...... here ya go. This is unarmed 20 year old Dillon Taylor from Utah who was shot and killed. Lmk if you want some more anecdotal evidence. Not hard to find.

https://youtu.be/lCAkgGP9Fbo

[FultzNationRISE]

Slavery is why blacks are at a lower socioeconomic position than whites and other races

If you don't see that then you have a mental deficit in this area


Oh, okay. I didnt know that. I actually only heard about this slavery thing recently.

I guess we have no choice but to agree with you all the time and let you have anything you want, for slavery.

Seems like an intelligent and fair way to handle such a complicated issue.

#ForSlavery

[3ball]

Oh, okay. I didnt know that. I actually only heard about this slavery thing recently.

I guess we have no choice but to agree with you all the time and let you have anything you want, for slavery.

Seems like an intelligent and fair way to handle such a complicated issue.

#ForSlavery

Blacks get everything they want?

Tell me more

[Stephonit]

Slavery is why blacks are at a lower socioeconomic position than whites and other races

If you don't see that then you have a mental deficit in this area

When will that change?

Do you know about WWII? Do you know what countries lost? Do you know how bombed out the losers' cities were? Where are they now? Two of the richest large industrial nations in the world. A more extreme example is the Korean War. More recent and involved an even less developed country. Doing fine now.

At some point the slavery excuse becomes just that, an excuse.

[FultzNationRISE]

Blacks get everything they want?

Tell me more

You havent heard?

Take a walk down to Macy’s.

Target.

Best Buy.

Williams Sonoma.


It’s all free.

#ForSlavery

[theman93]

I’ve still yet to hear anyone point to one law that is innately discriminatory that is causing systemic racism.

[bobopenguin]

Are you serious or joking because I don't know what are you talking about?
Apartheid was a system of racial segregation, which marginalized Black South Africans. Mandela was a civil right activist who was thrown in jail for attempting to overthrow the racist system.

and there's not once he specifically said he only fight for black lives. he values all lives, equal. and if he's alive today, he will never say "blacklivesmatter, cos to him, it's "alllivesequal.

"“I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if need be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.”"

[insight]

and there's not once he specifically said he only fight for black lives. he values all lives, equal. and if he's alive today, he will never say "blacklivesmatter, cos to him, it's "alllivesequal.

"“I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if need be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.”"

Are you serious? You won't find Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Harriet Tubman, Fredrick Douglas and dozens of other black leaders of the past saying Black Lives Matter. Your attempt to distract from the real issue reveals the content of your character. You are more outraged by one groups name, than the fact that innocent Americans are dying at the hands of the police, denying legal due process.

[3ball]

When will that change?

Do you know about WWII? Do you know what countries lost? Do you know how bombed out the losers' cities were? Where are they now? Two of the richest large industrial nations in the world. A more extreme example is the Korean War. More recent and involved an even less developed country. Doing fine now.

At some point the slavery excuse becomes just that, an excuse.

If 100 kids grow up in a poor neighborhood with no viable role models, maybe 3 or 4 make it out

And that's how life works... coming from way behind is the exception, not the rule

And we're always coming from behind because the system put us at such a massive deficit initially.. a few exceptions a year doesn't do shit... Poorness is passed down just like alchoholism

The only way blacks make up the deficit with more than just a few exceptions is if the entire race is brought up to the same starting line as whites - this requires the system to be made equal via education reform, criminal justice system reform, and somehow get the same level of role models that whites enjoy... It's harder because whites weren't oppressed, so they have exponentially more role models... Pick a president

[dirkdiggler41]

For those throwing numbers out. I recommend using a good source and not a media site that has it own agenda. It is very easy to find numbers that fit your narrative. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, meaning all sides get a saying and just one.

They also link to their sources so it is easy to check out the credibility of the writer of the source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_bias

[insight]

I suspect he’s referring to the likes of W.E.B. DuKapernick, and he’s quite right.


The average American, of any race, has no idea who Booker T or WEB were. They know virtually nothing about black history other than “there was slavery.” Not that most would amend their opinions based on further education anyway.

People make the predetermined decision to line up among the peer group they wish to belong to. Theyre more than happy to then conform their thinking to whatever affirms their inclusion with that group. No independence or objectivity necessary.

That's true of all ethnic groups, most people confuse the little history they learn as education when it really is domestication. Whether it's taking a Booker T Washington quote out of context or claiming Columbus discovered America. History is usually HIS STORY the story of the conquering class. Since we are on Booker T, ever heard of the Tuskegee experiment, where the us government infected blacks males from the college Booker T founded with Syphilis?

[insight]

IÂ’ve still yet to hear anyone point to one law that is innately discriminatory that is causing systemic racism.

There is nothing wrong with the statement We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal" when it applies to all races. There is nothing innately discriminatory about the 15th Amendment it was subsequent laws and application of those laws that denied blacks full citizenship and the right to vote. As Jack Nicholas famously quoted in A Few Good Men " You can't handle the truth"

[Da_Realist]

I suspect he’s referring to the likes of W.E.B. DuKapernick, and he’s quite right.

That would be correct. WEB DuBois was a socialist, later a communist, was the founder of the civil rights movement and was the only black co-founder of the NAACP. He once praised Hitler's National Socialists in pre-war Germany and embraced Stalin's Soviet Union. He also served on the board of the famed eugenicist and KKK sympathizer Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood. She introduced to the poor black community a new birth control concept called abortion. She called blacks, "human weeds", "reckless breeders", "spawning...human beings who never should have been born."

DuBois philosophy, "The Talented Tenth", is basically how the Democrats operate today. Use a few select, influential people like celebrities, superstar athletes, media personalities, members of the government, etc (the ten percent) to lead the masses (the ninety percent). The 90% should be coerced, manipulated, encouraged and shamed to follow their leaders (the 10%) blindly, without question or dissent. Make sure the 10% are paid handsomely but keep the 90% dependent, needy and angry. Anyone that begins to think independently shall be ostracized.

W.E.B DuBois -- The Talented Tenth rises and pulls all that are worth the saving up to their vantage ground.



Booker T. Washington was a capitalist who believed in self-improvement, self-reliance, accountability and independence. He taught himself to read and write. He called for black progress through education and entrepreneurship. He literally built Tuskegee Institute, which later became Tuskegee University. He secured the loans and donations to purchase the land and then had his students help construct and maintain the new buildings to pay for their room and board.

Washington also founded the National Negro Business League to further the economic development of the African American businesses in order to achieve social equality in the American society. Members in the league included small business owners, farmers, doctors, lawyers, craftsmen, and other professionals.

Booker T Washington encouraged men to be independent thinkers and take control of their own lives, not be follow-the-leader types. He was also derided as a sell-out and an Uncle Tom (though without using that phrase). So anytime you guys call someone that, he/she is in good company.

[Da_Realist]

That would be correct. WEB DuBois was a socialist, later a communist, was the founder of the civil rights movement and was the only black co-founder of the NAACP. He once praised Hitler's National Socialists in pre-war Germany and embraced Stalin's Soviet Union. He also served on the board of the famed eugenicist and KKK sympathizer Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood. She introduced to the poor black community a new birth control concept called abortion. She called blacks, "human weeds", "reckless breeders", "spawning...human beings who never should have been born."


The irony is I stayed in W.E.B DuBois Residence Hall my freshman year at Morehouse and I never knew any of this until well after I graduated college.

[insight]

What is half baked about the statistics I presented? It is non-bias factual information. You just want to discredit it because it doesnÂ’t fit your narrative. YouÂ’ve done nothing to logically dispute any of it.

As for a video you wanted where, “an unarmed white man or woman is killed by the police”...... here ya go. This is unarmed 20 year old Dillon Taylor from Utah who was shot and killed. Lmk if you want some more anecdotal evidence. Not hard to find.

https://youtu.be/lCAkgGP9Fbo

Glad you were able to finally find some footage, I know it was a challenge. Nobody should be subjected to unfair treatment especially when the abusers are allowed to operate with impunity.
I'm not going tick for tac with your statistics because I understand most of the data is created by think tanks and those with political agendas. Some of the stats are valuable when attempting to solve problems but only when solving problems is the objective not deflection and distraction.
If you want to have an honest dialogue you have to accept that we all are bias, and harbor stereotypes and preconceived notions we attempt to validate through confirmation bias.
You have to be prepared to listen, prepared to listen to different perspectives, and people who grew up in a different situation than you. Prepared to listen to the thousands of voices from all racial and economic backgrounds who felt compelled to take to the streets in protest of racial injustice.
Listen when most black people of every social and economic background tell you they fear being mistreated by the police simply for the having the wrong skin color.

[RRR3]

If 100 kids grow up in a poor neighborhood with no viable role models, maybe 3 or 4 make it out

And that's how life works... coming from way behind is the exception, not the rule

And we're always coming from behind because the system put us at such a massive deficit initially.. a few exceptions a year doesn't do shit... Poorness is passed down just like alchoholism

The only way blacks make up the deficit with more than just a few exceptions is if the entire race is brought up to the same starting line as whites - this requires the system to be made equal via education reform, criminal justice system reform, and somehow get the same level of role models that whites enjoy... It's harder because whites weren't oppressed, so they have exponentially more role models... Pick a president
Good post dude.

:cheers:

[Manny98]

3ball actually comes across as a rational smart human being when the topic doesn't involve MJ or LeBron

[insight]

The irony is I stayed in W.E.B DuBois Residence Hall my freshman year at Morehouse and I never knew any of this until well after I graduated college.

Wow, It's really disappointing to hear a Morehouse man spew such nonsense.

[insight]

What is half baked about the statistics I presented? It is non-bias factual information. You just want to discredit it because it doesnÂ’t fit your narrative. YouÂ’ve done nothing to logically dispute any of it.

As for a video you wanted where, “an unarmed white man or woman is killed by the police”...... here ya go. This is unarmed 20 year old Dillon Taylor from Utah who was shot and killed. Lmk if you want some more anecdotal evidence. Not hard to find.

https://youtu.be/lCAkgGP9Fbo

Glad you were able to finally find some footage, I know it was a challenge. Nobody should be subjected to unfair treatment especially when the abusers are allowed to operate without impunity.
I'm not going tick for tac with your statistics because I understand most of the data is created by think tanks and those with political agendas. Some of the stats are valuable when attempting to solve problems but only when the objective is problem solving not deflection and distraction.
If you want to have an honest dialogue you have to accept that we all are bias, and harbor stereotypes and preconceived notions we attempt to validate through confirmation bias.
You have to be prepared to listen, prepared to listen to the thousands of voices from all racial and economic backgrounds who felt compelled to take to the streets in protest of racial injustice.
Listen when most black people of every social and economic background tell you they fear being mistreated by the police simply for the having the wrong skin color.

[ImKobe]

If 100 kids grow up in a poor neighborhood with no viable role models, maybe 3 or 4 make it out

And that's how life works... coming from way behind is the exception, not the rule

And we're always coming from behind because the system put us at such a massive deficit initially.. a few exceptions a year doesn't do shit... Poorness is passed down just like alchoholism

The only way blacks make up the deficit with more than just a few exceptions is if the entire race is brought up to the same starting line as whites - this requires the system to be made equal via education reform, criminal justice system reform, and somehow get the same level of role models that whites enjoy... It's harder because whites weren't oppressed, so they have exponentially more role models... Pick a president

Exactly. I do think we're moving in the right direction though, it's not as segregated as it used to be.

[Stephonit]

If 100 kids grow up in a poor neighborhood with no viable role models, maybe 3 or 4 make it out

And that's how life works... coming from way behind is the exception, not the rule

And we're always coming from behind because the system put us at such a massive deficit initially.. a few exceptions a year doesn't do shit... Poorness is passed down just like alchoholism

The only way blacks make up the deficit with more than just a few exceptions is if the entire race is brought up to the same starting line as whites - this requires the system to be made equal via education reform, criminal justice system reform, and somehow get the same level of role models that whites enjoy... It's harder because whites weren't oppressed, so they have exponentially more role models... Pick a president


You're living in the United States. "Land of opportunity". Maybe it isn't all that it's advertised but it got that rep for a reason. It's a land of immigrants. Try telling most immigrants how coming from way behind is the exception not the rule. Maybe that's a blindspot some blacks have. They seem to think the majority of Americans are descendants of slave owners. No they aren't and they aren't impressed with the narrative that starting from behind destines one to be constantly poor and oppressed in the country. If that's what you really believe move out and emigrate to another country and see how hard that is.

[insight]

You're living in the United States. "Land of opportunity". Maybe it isn't all that it's advertised but it got that rep for a reason. It's a land of immigrants. Try telling most immigrants how coming from way behind is the exception not the rule. Maybe that's a blindspot some blacks have. They seem to think the majority of Americans are descendants of slave owners. No they aren't and they aren't impressed with the narrative that starting from behind destines one to be constantly poor and oppressed in the country. If that's what you really believe move out and emigrate to another country and see how hard that is.
Blindspot?
Land of opportunity generated by stolen land and off the backs of free Black slaves labor. That's the honest history of America the the country I love and my relatives have fought for.
Who do you think physically built the White House? Who built Wall Street and many of the monuments we cherish today. It was slaves who received NO compensation for their work and ingenuity.
Immigrants came to America fleeing religious,and economic persecution, blacks came unwilling in shackles and chains but you fail to see the different circumstances "unfair race".
France gave Lady Liberty to America is the 1800's. Why does the Statue of Liberty the beacon of hope for all immigrants have broken shackles on her ankles? If it meant Land of opportunity for All why did it take nearly 100 more years for blacks to have be able to vote with the civil rights act of 64. That's is only 55 years ago but you can't see the game has been rigged.
People are so willing to passionately debate rules in the NBA and fairness in NBA officiating but are quick to to dismiss rules intended to keep a specific race obtaining their pursuit of life liberty and happiness.

[hateraid]

When we exclude #alllivesmatter we let the racists win

[Stanley Kobrick]

When we exclude #alllivesmatter we let the racists win
:facepalm

[Da_Realist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_IjvBQwIAQ

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Look. We all know all lives matter. We all know the real #'s of racial violent crimes and who cops kill, etc (even if some ppl willingly deny it).

But that's not the point.

The point is black ppl have felt oppressed and mistreated and in fear for their lives, still even to this day. Whether you think they're justified or not in thinking that, whether you think it's reverse racism or not, etc doesn't matter. This is how they feel and that is something that they should not feel. Show some sympathy (empathy if possible) and try to support them for trying to change society for the better so they no longer feel that way.

Whether anyone realizes it or not, the BLM movement is about EQUITY, not EQUALITY. And that's fine. If that's what it takes for Blacks to feel the same level of safety, comfort, etc, as non-blacks just for existing, then we should support them. JUST F*CKING SUPPORT THEM SO THIS SHIT CHANGES FOR THE BETTER.

As for Napes, if it was a forced resignation (ok, we know it was), I don't agree w/ that. #AllLivesMatter isn't even offensive. Just stupid and ignorant. But Kings and KHTK just trying to save face during these times of unrest. That being said, I don't really care for Napes radio show. He's goddam awful on it. He's close-minded about listening to anyone who disagrees w/ him. Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's infuriating to listen to. He's an excellent play-by-play guy. That skillset of his will be greatly missed. Curious whom they'll hire to replace him for games. For radio? I'm PRAYING it's Whitey Gleason (ignore his name lol). Whitey and Doug Christie together on radio would be amazinggggg.

Also, that's a damn shame about that girl and her sister. Also a damn shame the mainstream news doesn't give a F b/c they're so agenda-driven on dividing our country. Also, do ppl now realize the FCC now allows any foreign entity to wholly own American media outlets? Jesus...imagine once China owns CNN. F*ck the mainstream media and news, good god.

edit:
Also, you know how F*CKING STUPID these AllLivesMatter ppl are? I made a post about being mixed (I'm roughly 1/2 Euro, 1/2 Mexican w/ a couple Native tribes mixed deep in) and an old white lady, whom I've known and liked since I was a kid, said "we're all mixed. I'm French, Irish, Bulgarian, Dutch..." God, seriously, how in the actual **** are ppl so out of touch?

[Shaquille O'Neal]

I asked for ONE VIDEO.
You keep hiding behind half baked statistics when there is plenty of video evidence to the contrary. America was built on slavery, blacks have been marginalized for centuries, yet you can't seem to comprehend inequalities in the judicial system today. Why don't you complain the Anti Defamation League they focus on Jewish injustice. Maybe you do and make claims that the Holocaust never happened.

https://i.ibb.co/p20VDsX/Justine.jpg

That took 2 seconds. I'm seeing a theme here in Minnesota.

[theman93]

Glad you were able to finally find some footage, I know it was a challenge. Nobody should be subjected to unfair treatment especially when the abusers are allowed to operate without impunity.
I'm not going tick for tac with your statistics because I understand most of the data is created by think tanks and those with political agendas. Some of the stats are valuable when attempting to solve problems but only when the objective is problem solving not deflection and distraction.
If you want to have an honest dialogue you have to accept that we all are bias, and harbor stereotypes and preconceived notions we attempt to validate through confirmation bias.
You have to be prepared to listen, prepared to listen to the thousands of voices from all racial and economic backgrounds who felt compelled to take to the streets in protest of racial injustice.
Listen when most black people of every social and economic background tell you they fear being mistreated by the police simply for the having the wrong skin color.

It wasn’t challenging at all actually. There were many more videos, but anecdotal evidence is only a sliver of the story as I’ve already said multiple times now.

And no. If you did your research on the source (you didn’t) you would have found that the data is not from “think tanks” and “political agendas” but is actually from police reports and statements police departments have released from all over the country.

I’m all for an open dialogue. So let’s have one - address the fact that the un-biased statistics show that more white people are shot and killed by the police even though black people are responsible for exponentially more murders and robberies while making up a significantly less portion of the population. Don’t discredit the facts. Address it.

I can agree racism exists. I can agree police brutality exists. Can you agree that the facts show that the overwhelming majority of police are not racially bias and it’s not open season on innocent black people?

[FKAri]

It wasn’t challenging at all actually. There were many more videos, but anecdotal evidence is only a sliver of the story as I’ve already said multiple times now.

And no. If you did your research on the source (you didn’t) you would have found that the data is not from “think tanks” and “political agendas” but is actually from police reports and statements police departments have released from all over the country.

I’m all for an open dialogue. So let’s have one - address the fact that the un-biased statistics show that more white people are shot and killed by the police even though black people are responsible for exponentially more murders and robberies while making up a significantly less portion of the population. Don’t discredit the facts. Address it.

I can agree racism exists. I can agree police brutality exists. Can you agree that the facts show that the overwhelming majority of police are not racially bias and it’s not open season on innocent black people?

Police brutality is a bigger problem than police racism when it comes to actually killing civilians. Cops power tripping is all too common and once in a while it can lead to negligent homicide. That being said, black people have to deal with both.

[hateraid]

:facepalm

It's 100% true. Racist love that we can divide and conquer amongst ourselves. #alllivesmatter and #BLM are fighting on the EXACT same side. Racists throw that bone in there because they know the dogs will attack eachother over it.

[insight]

https://i.ibb.co/p20VDsX/Justine.jpg

That took 2 seconds. I'm seeing a theme here in Minnesota.
You are being insincere. You know full well I said video footage but on top of that you pick a case with quick expedient justice, which never happens with cases involving black victims. Every person deserves justice that Justine received.
FYI, Philando Castile's mothers who's son died at the hands of police and received no justice for her son the Damond Family.

It's evident you don't want to deal with the truth. You are actively trying to manipulate tragic events to fit your narrative and offer false equivalents.

Here is a picture of her hugging Damond's fiancee.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/7dd0afd3f662d91fec5d4baab3c6155a94bf519b/0_0_4048_2900/master/4048.jpg?width=880&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&

[Shaquille O'Neal]

DaRealist schooled you already with facts.
2015: 32 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 38 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2016: 22 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 19 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2017: 31 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 22 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2018: 23 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 17 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2019: 20 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 10 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2020: 10 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 3 unarmed black people shot and killed by police

There are racist cops, and the death of George Floyd was terrible.
However it does not mean blacks are being hunted. There is no systematic racism - name something on the books today that gives white people an advantage. Jim Crow law is over; has been for years.

[insight]

It wasnÂ’t challenging at all actually. There were many more videos, but anecdotal evidence is only a sliver of the story as IÂ’ve already said multiple times now.

And no. If you did your research on the source (you didn’t) you would have found that the data is not from “think tanks” and “political agendas” but is actually from police reports and statements police departments have released from all over the country.

IÂ’m all for an open dialogue. So letÂ’s have one - address the fact that the un-biased statistics show that more white people are shot and killed by the police even though black people are responsible for exponentially more murders and robberies while making up a significantly less portion of the population. DonÂ’t discredit the facts. Address it.

I can agree racism exists. I can agree police brutality exists. Can you agree that the facts show that the overwhelming majority of police are not racially bias and itÂ’s not open season on innocent black people?
I can't agree that the majority of police officers are not racially bias because I think all Americans are racially bias. I do agree that the majority of police officers are able to protect and serve do their jobs without their bias leading to racial injustice.
Racism is built into the American DNA and affect most of our government institutions and policies. Black do commit disproportionate amount of crimes that is a problem we must address but the reasons why are complicated and have roots in racism. View this chart
https://pudding.cool/2017/01/shape-of-slavery/

In this case, un-biased statistics do not exist because police falsify reports and that's a big challenge.

I don't want to debate those with different opinions, I want to stand for what is morally right in pursuit of the ideals this country was founded on. We should be able to agree that in America in 2020 we shouldn't be able to easily pull up video footage of police killing innocent citizens of any race.

[3ball]

DaRealist schooled you already with facts.
2015: 32 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 38 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2016: 22 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 19 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2017: 31 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 22 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2018: 23 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 17 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2019: 20 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 10 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2020: 10 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 3 unarmed black people shot and killed by police

There are racist cops, and the death of George Floyd was terrible.
However it does not mean blacks are being hunted. There is no systematic racism - name something on the books today that gives white people an advantage. Jim Crow law is over; has been for years.
^^^ So whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1, but blacks are shot at a nearly equal rate?

That's why you guys don't understand any of my basketball arguments.. they're based on simple math that most Americans, unfortunately, don't understand

[theman93]

^^^ So whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1, but blacks are shot at a nearly equal rate?

That's why you guys don't understand any of my basketball arguments.. they're based on simple math that most Americans, unfortunately, don't understand

You’re looking at the data incorrectly.

Police shootings are a function of police being called to a scene. Now why would they be called to a scene? Because of a crime. Why do the VAST majority of police shootings happen? Because of violent crimes. Blacks only make up 13% of the population and yet they account for 38% of violent crimes. Whites make up 77% of the population yet only account for 58% of violent crimes. Whites out number blacks 7 to 1, yet blacks commit violent crimes at a vastly higher rate. And yet, unarmed whites are actually killed more than unarmed blacks.

How about murder specifically? Blacks accounted for 53% of murders in 2018 alone and yet only make up 13% of the population. Tragic.

[dirkdiggler41]

2015: 32 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 38 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2016: 22 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 19 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2017: 31 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 22 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2018: 23 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 17 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2019: 20 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 10 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2020: 10 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 3 unarmed black people shot and killed by police


Sorry, English is not my first language, but here goes.

- You have to consider that the black population is only 12,6% of the population and 72,4% is white. So that white more white people are getting shot is expected and should not surprise anyone. So in theory, if we had 10 unarmed shooting, 1 should be black, 7 should be white and 3 should be hispanic/other. The best would be no unarmed shootings, but I understand that is not possible.

- The sample size is very small so it can't be significance. What I would look at would be how many times police stops a driving vehicle and what race that is. Then look at how often they have done something wrong. Or something like that. Then you get better numbers.

[imdaman99]

This is the equivalent of people raising awareness for breast cancer and then other people being upset, why aren't you raising awareness for this other cancer? Do you not care for my other cancer???? :facepalm

[theman93]

Sorry, English is not my first language, but here goes.

- You have to consider that the black population is only 12,6% of the population and 72,4% is white. So that white more white people are getting shot is expected and should not surprise anyone. So in theory, if we had 10 unarmed shooting, 1 should be black, 7 should be white and 3 should be hispanic/other. The best would be no unarmed shootings, but I understand that is not possible.

- The sample size is very small so it can't be significance. What I would look at would be how many times police stops a driving vehicle and what race that is. Then look at how often they have done something wrong. Or something like that. Then you get better numbers.

Now compare the population rate to the violent crime rate

[Da_Realist]

This is the equivalent of people raising awareness for breast cancer and then other people being upset, why aren't you raising awareness for this other cancer? Do you not care for my other cancer???? :facepalm

No it's not. The equivalent would be making an effort to focus all our health resources to breast cancer awareness based on the premise that breast cancer is an epidemic for black women but the facts say 89% of them are killed from high cholesterol, high blood pressure and diabetes while breast cancer only kills about 1% of them. Taking on breast cancer is fine but to ignore or reject the issues that are killing 89% is wrong-headed and stupid.

[RogueBorg]

It wasn’t challenging at all actually. There were many more videos, but anecdotal evidence is only a sliver of the story as I’ve already said multiple times now.

And no. If you did your research on the source (you didn’t) you would have found that the data is not from “think tanks” and “political agendas” but is actually from police reports and statements police departments have released from all over the country.

I’m all for an open dialogue. So let’s have one - address the fact that the un-biased statistics show that more white people are shot and killed by the police even though black people are responsible for exponentially more murders and robberies while making up a significantly less portion of the population. Don’t discredit the facts. Address it.

I can agree racism exists. I can agree police brutality exists. Can you agree that the facts show that the overwhelming majority of police are not racially bias and it’s not open season on innocent black people?

:applause:

[theman93]

93% of inmates are male. The system is sexist!

[insight]

No it's not. The equivalent would be making an effort to focus all our health resources to breast cancer awareness based on the premise that breast cancer is an epidemic for black women but the facts say 89% of them are killed from high cholesterol, high blood pressure and diabetes while breast cancer only kills about 1% of them. Taking on breast cancer is fine but to ignore or reject the issues that are killing 89% is wrong-headed and stupid.

Nobody is committing all the resources towards resolving police violence, breast cancer is publicly funded, organizations like Black lives matters is not.
If you strongly feel the black lives matter movement is wrong headed then go start you own organization that focuses on Black on Black crime or join an existing organization that address the issues you want to focus on. There are tons of positive things you could be doing instead of promoting divisive videos intended to undermine existing black focused organizations.
I have asked you several times why you post the divisive political stuff, hard to believe attended AUC school.

[theman93]

I can't agree that the majority of police officers are not racially bias because I think all Americans are racially bias. I do agree that the majority of police officers are able to protect and serve do their jobs without their bias leading to racial injustice.
Racism is built into the American DNA and affect most of our government institutions and policies. Black do commit disproportionate amount of crimes that is a problem we must address but the reasons why are complicated and have roots in racism. View this chart
https://pudding.cool/2017/01/shape-of-slavery/

In this case, un-biased statistics do not exist because police falsify reports and that's a big challenge.

I don't want to debate those with different opinions, I want to stand for what is morally right in pursuit of the ideals this country was founded on. We should be able to agree that in America in 2020 we shouldn't be able to easily pull up video footage of police killing innocent citizens of any race.

Since racism is built in to American DNA, what laws and/or policies today are innately discriminatory? I’m waiting for you to present facts. You’re presenting feelings.

[theman93]

Nobody is committing all the resources towards resolving police violence, breast cancer is publicly funded, organizations like Black lives matters is not.
If you strongly feel the black lives matter movement is wrong headed then go start you own organization that focuses on Black on Black crime or join an existing organization that address the issues you want to focus on. There are tons of positive things you could be doing instead of promoting divisive videos intended to undermine existing black focused organizations.
I have asked you several times why you post the divisive political stuff, hard to believe attended AUC school.

Because it's a phony organization that needs to be called out on it's lies.

If Black Lives Matters was strictly created to address police violence and systemic racism towards black people then how come on their own website they state, "We must ensure we are building a movement that brings all of us to the front" while simultaneously ignoring the black lives that are lost when a white cop is not involved?

If Black Lives Matters was strictly created to address police violence and systemic racism towards black people then how come on their own website they state, "The call for Black lives to matter is a rallying cry for ALL Black lives striving for liberation" while simultaneously ignoring the most silenced and oppressed of them all - the 675,000 black babies that are killed every year right in their backyards from the racist institution known as Planned Parenthood - that doesn't even give them a chance at liberation?

[insight]

Since racism is built in to American DNA, what laws and/or policies today are innately discriminatory? IÂ’m waiting for you to present facts. YouÂ’re presenting feelings.
Was the 15th Amendment innately discriminatory? No.
So why were blacks unable to vote in 1860 when the 15th amendment was passed, why was the civil rights act of 64 necessary?
Because states passed additional discriminatory measures like poll taxes and grandfather clauses to insure blacks were excluded from voting when the amendment should have applied to everyone.

There are too many policies that unfairly impact the black community, but I will give you one that cuts dis proportionally affects blacks and the poor. A double whammy if you will.
Did you know 70% of people in local jails have not been convicted crime, they are mostly people who cannot afford to to post bail and hire a lawyer.
When you combine this economic discrimination built into the judicial system and police arresting blacks at a higher rate due to racial profiling and bias you get a whole lot of incarcerated black folks. There was a report on this very subject written for the United Nations. I will attach a report to the report, if you are truly interested in the inequities you will find it enlightening. https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/un-report-on-racial-disparities/

[aceman]

DaRealist schooled you already with facts.
2015: 32 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 38 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2016: 22 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 19 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2017: 31 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 22 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2018: 23 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 17 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2019: 20 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 10 unarmed black people shot and killed by police
2020: 10 unarmed white people shot and killed by police, 3 unarmed black people shot and killed by police

There are racist cops, and the death of George Floyd was terrible.
However it does not mean blacks are being hunted. There is no systematic racism - name something on the books today that gives white people an advantage. Jim Crow law is over; has been for years.

What % of population of state is black?

[aceman]

Jordan was right republicans buy shoes too

[Im Still Ballin]

There is no systematic racism - name something on the books today that gives white people an advantage. Jim Crow law is over; has been for years.

Wrong.


The United States Department of Justice announced a $33 million settlement with Hudson City Savings Bank, which services New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania, on September 24, 2015.[29] The six-year DOJ investigation had proven that the company was intentionally avoiding granting mortgages to Latinos and African Americans and purposely avoided expanding into minority-majority communities. The Justice Department called it the "largest residential mortgage redlining settlement in its history."[30] As a part of the settlement agreement, HCSB was forced to open branches in non-white communities. As U.S. Attorney Paul Fishman explained to Emily Badger for The Washington Post, "[i]f you lived in a majority-black or Hispanic neighborhood and you wanted to apply for a mortgage, Hudson City Savings Bank was not the place to go." The enforcement agencies cited additional evidence of discrimination Hudson City's broker selection practices, noting that the bank received 80 percent of its mortgage applications from mortgage brokers but that the brokers with whom the bank worked were not located in majority African-American and Hispanic areas.

Related Reading -- Redlining (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining)

[theman93]

Was the 15th Amendment innately discriminatory? No.
So why were blacks unable to vote in 1860 when the 15th amendment was passed, why was the civil rights act of 64 necessary?
Because states passed additional discriminatory measures like poll taxes and grandfather clauses to insure blacks were excluded from voting when the amendment should have applied to everyone.

There are too many policies that unfairly impact the black community, but I will give you one that cuts dis proportionally affects blacks and the poor. A double whammy if you will.
Did you know 70% of people in local jails have not been convicted crime, they are mostly people who cannot afford to to post bail and hire a lawyer.
When you combine this economic discrimination built into the judicial system and police arresting blacks at a higher rate due to racial profiling and bias you get a whole lot of incarcerated black folks. There was a report on this very subject written for the United Nations. I will attach a report to the report, if you are truly interested in the inequities you will find it enlightening. https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/un-report-on-racial-disparities/

Again, what law can you point to today, in 2020 not 1860, that is discriminatory against blacks? Not being able to afford a bond is not racially bias. That effects people who are poor of every single skin color.

And you missed it. It was in your very own article. Police don't arrest blacks at a higher rate due to racial profiling and bias, they arrest blacks at a higher rate because crime rates are significantly higher in minority communities.

"One reason minorities are stopped disproportionately is because police see violations where they are,” said Louis Dekmar, the president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, and chief of LaGrange, Georgia’s police department. The chief added: “Crime is often significantly higher in minority neighborhoods than elsewhere. And that is where we allocate our resources.”

[bobopenguin]

Slavery is why blacks are at a lower socioeconomic position than whites and other races

If you don't see that then you have a mental deficit in this area

"After slavery was abolished in the United States, Chinese laborers were imported to the South as cheap labor to replace freed Blacks on the plantations. Many of the early Chinese laborers came from sugar plantations in Cuba and after the transcontinental railroad was completed, California also contributed to the labor supply.

Starting as early as 1865, Southern newspapers began printing editorials and letters calling for Chinese labor to be the new labor supply. This interest was sparked in part by accounts boasting that the Chinese contract labor attributed to the increase in Cuban agricultural imports. The Chinese effectively became the new labor supply but were positioned societally at the same level as African Americans."

dont just skip us asian brothers.
we were at bottom once, but we rised.

[theman93]

Defund the police!

https://youtu.be/IwEeN5e0pEc

[aceman]

I've new found respect for 3ball - still doesn't know anything about basketball

[insight]

Either your reading comprehension is servery lacking, you are intellectually dishonest most likely BOTH.

If you didn't know what the The 15th Amendment was a simple google search would have produced the following
The 15th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution granted African American men the right to vote by declaring that the "right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Instead of asking why blacks were not able to vote after the 15th Amendment was passed, you want to jump to 2020 because YOU KNOW discrimination still existed EVEN when the laws appeared to be FAIR and EQUAL.
The document h highlighted these practices EXIST TODAY.
I quote:

The source of such disparities is deeper and more systemic than explicit racial discrimination. The United States in effect operates two distinct criminal justice systems: one for wealthy people and another for poor people and people of color. The wealthy can access a vigorous adversary system replete with constitutional protections for defendants. Yet the experiences of poor and minority defendants within the criminal justice system often differ substantially from that model due to a number of factors, each of which contributes to the overrepresentation of such individuals in the system. As former Georgetown Law Professor David Cole states in his book No Equal Justice,

These double standards are not, of course, explicit; on the face of it, the criminal law is color-blind and class-blind. But in a sense, this only makes the problem worse. The rhetoric of the criminal justice system sends the message that our society carefully protects everyoneÂ’s constitutional rights, but in practice the rules assure that law enforcement prerogatives will generally prevail over the rights of minorities and the poor. By affording criminal suspects substantial constitutional rights in theory, the Supreme Court validates the results of the criminal justice system as fair. That formal fairness obscures the systemic concerns that ought to be raised by the fact that the prison population is overwhelmingly poor and disproportionately black.7)
By creating and perpetuating policies that allow such racial disparities to exist in its criminal justice system, the United States is in violation of its obligations under Article 2 and Article 26 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights to ensure that all its residents—regardless of race—are treated equally under the law. The Sentencing Project notes that the United Nations Special Rapporteur is working to consult with U.S. civil society organizations on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, and related intolerance. We welcome this opportunity to provide the UN Special Rapporteur with an accurate assessment of racial disparity in the U.S. criminal justice system.


YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! Your pride and prejudice prevent you from accepting the very answers you claim to want.

I encourage any one genuinely interested in learning the truth read the report for themselves.[/B]
https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/un-report-on-racial-disparities/

[insight]

[QUOTE]Again, what law can you point to today, in 2020 not 1860, that is discriminatory against blacks?[/QUOTE

Why did you pull one segment out of the research report in an attempt to distort what was actually said? Did you not read the entire paragraph or are you just trying to HIDE THE TRUTH?

The rise of mass incarceration begins with disproportionate levels of police contact with African Americans. This is striking in particular for drug offenses, which are committed at roughly equal rates across races. “One reason minorities are stopped disproportionately is because police see violations where they are,” said Louis Dekmar, the president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, and chief of LaGrange, Georgia’s police department.14) The chief added: “Crime is often significantly higher in minority neighborhoods than elsewhere. And that is where we allocate our resources.” Dekmar’s view is not uncommon. Absent meaningful efforts to address societal segregation and disproportionate levels of poverty, U.S. criminal justice policies have cast a dragnet targeting African Americans. The War on Drugs as well as policing policies including “Broken Windows” and “Stop, Question, and Frisk” sanction higher levels of police contact with African Americans. This includes higher levels of police contact with innocent people and higher levels of arrests for drug crimes. Thus:

More than one in four people arrested for drug law violations in 2015 was black, although drug use rates do not differ substantially by race and ethnicity and drug users generally purchase drugs from people of the same race or ethnicity.15) For example, the ACLU found that blacks were 3.7 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession than whites in 2010, even though their rate of marijuana usage was comparable.16)

Again you don't want the TRUTH.
I encourage any one genuinely interested in learning the truth read the report for themselves.[/B]
https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/un-report-on-racial-disparities/

[RogueBorg]

Black lives matter, but we never hear a peep from the BLM movement about how Planned Parenthood kills 675,000 black boys and girls every year - an institution founded by documented racist Margaret Sanger who spoke at KKK rallys and is on record saying, “we don’t want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population...”

Black lives matter, but we literally never see the kind of outrage we’re seeing now when a black person kills another black person - a far more frequent occurrence than a white cop killing a black person (and yes both deserve condemnation).

Black lives matter, but black people are looting, pillaging, and burning down black owned businesses and businesses black people are employed at who will now be without jobs to support themselves and/or their families.

Black lives matter, but there were no protests over the lives of 5 year old Kearria Attison and her 4 year old sister Paris West when they were killed by black men who had a dispute over $180 in Jacksonville.

Black lives matter, so be consistent all the way around.

This isn’t only about black lives mattering anymore when people of all different skin colors are being killed, having their businesses and homes burned to the ground, having their communities destroyed, etc. So yes all lives matter and no one should be ashamed for saying it because this isn’t just about black lives anymore.

Absolutely brilliant post :applause:

You are 100% spot on about everything especially that white, Nazi, racist Margaret Sanger. Her organization is still exterminating blacks today and no one says a word.

[Stephonit]

Absolutely brilliant post :applause:

You are 100% spot on about everything especially that white, Nazi, racist Margaret Sanger. Her organization is still exterminating blacks today and no one says a word.

People probably don't like the thought of unwanted neglected babies growing up to be angry adults.

[insight]

"After slavery was abolished in the United States, Chinese laborers were imported to the South as cheap labor to replace freed Blacks on the plantations. Many of the early Chinese laborers came from sugar plantations in Cuba and after the transcontinental railroad was completed, California also contributed to the labor supply.

Starting as early as 1865, Southern newspapers began printing editorials and letters calling for Chinese labor to be the new labor supply. This interest was sparked in part by accounts boasting that the Chinese contract labor attributed to the increase in Cuban agricultural imports. The Chinese effectively became the new labor supply but were positioned societally at the same level as African Americans."

dont just skip us asian brothers.
we were at bottom once, but we rised.
Just wanted to say before I make this comment, and injustice against one is an injustice against all. I,m not trying to say Asians did not face similar challenges, the racial discrimination is well documented.

Racism is universal, the pilgrims came to American because they were marginalized and persecuted in Europe. I think one key difference that shouldn't be overlooked is Asians and every other immigrant group were able to maintain there culture and history.
In contrast, African American families were intentionally destroyed, Slave owners intentionally forbid Africans from speaking their native language, separated husbands from wives, Fathers and Mothers from Children.
African Americans were stripped of there names including all historical and family records prior to being sold bondage. African Americans were forbidden practicing their religious customs, learning to read and write and had no citizen rights.
In order to justify the inhuman treatment pseudo science of that time period claim blacks were sub human, closer to chimpanzees than humans. I think that what makes African Americans experience uniquely different from all other ethnic groups.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Races_and_skulls.png/250px-Races_and_skulls.png

[RogueBorg]

In order to justify the inhuman treatment pseudo science of that time period claim blacks were sub human, closer to chimpanzees than humans. I think that what makes African Americans experience uniquely different from all other ethnic groups.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Races_and_skulls.png/250px-Races_and_skulls.png

You do realize that pseudo science you're speaking of is Darwinism right?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Origin_of_Species_title_page.jpg/1200px-Origin_of_Species_title_page.jpg

This is the holy grail for evolution. Look right in the middle of the title;

The origin of species
by means of natural selection
or the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life.

Did you catch it? The favored races. You know what that means right? It's built on racism.

[RogueBorg]

You do realize that pseudo science you're speaking of is Darwinism right?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Origin_of_Species_title_page.jpg/1200px-Origin_of_Species_title_page.jpg

This is the holy grail for evolution. Look right in the middle of the title;

The origin of species
by means of natural selection
or the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life.

Did you catch it? The favored races. You know what that means right? It's built on racism.

The full title of Darwin’s most famous work included some stark words: On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. Darwin envisioned the spontaneous formation of simple life evolving into higher forms through the pitiless forces of nature selecting the fittest.

Darwin demonstrated how he believed evolution shaped man in his subsequent book The Descent of Man. In it, he theorized that man, having evolved from apes, had continued evolving as various races, with some races more developed than others. Darwin classified his own white race as more advanced than those “lower organisms” such as pygmies, and he called different people groups “savage,” “low,” and “degraded.”

[Dbrog]

I can't agree that the majority of police officers are not racially bias because I think all Americans are racially bias. I do agree that the majority of police officers are able to protect and serve do their jobs without their bias leading to racial injustice.
Racism is built into the American DNA and affect most of our government institutions and policies.

The Bolded shows your own prejudice toward others. It's funny that not one single person has answered theman93s factual evidence he continues to bring up. Funny that so many of yall think that it's impossible for races to actually love each other and act without bias. What ****ed up segregated hoods did you guys grow up in? Now, are there plenty of communities like this? Hell yes there are...look at the bible belt where there is overt racism from all sides involved (blacks don't go to white communities and vice versa because both are met with violence). However, to overgeneralize this to everyone in the US or even the majority of population in the us....that's some distorted thinking. I'm not saying it's your fault if you think these things, I'm just saying that you seem to have a very limited worldview. I've been to a bunch of countries outside of the US and the majority of them (yes even the "westernized" ones) are openly racist. Whether it be British vs Irish or Italian vs French or almost anyone vs Eastern Europeans, it's extremely clear once you step foot outside the US. However, this doesn't stop them from finding a way to survive and even thrive. It is a big blindspot for the black community in the US to focus on the deck being "rigged from the beginning" because if that were the case, you wouldn't see poor Asians or Indians (from India) or Europeans or South Americans coming over to the US and succeeding.

I think it says a lot about the goals of some of these organizations when the clear problem that started all of this involves protocols not being in place or enforced by higher ups in law enforcement to make sure they are uniform across the board...and yet these organizations turn it into a race issue. What practical change will that accomplish exactly? You want it to happen less or do you just want an excuse to again be mad at the "system" or events from the past that no longer are relevant? It comes off as a defense mechanism to distract from people actually changing. You believe black lives matter? Make sure you are creating programs or at least volunteering in them to make your neighborhood better or increase education. Make sure you are taking steps to become a more "powerful" member of this democracy aka moving up in financial class. You can't say you want change but then aren't willing to do the hard work to change it (btw raising pitchforks, making posters, and looting aren't hard).

[insight]

The full title of DarwinÂ’s most famous work included some stark words: On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. Darwin envisioned the spontaneous formation of simple life evolving into higher forms through the pitiless forces of nature selecting the fittest.

Darwin demonstrated how he believed evolution shaped man in his subsequent book The Descent of Man. In it, he theorized that man, having evolved from apes, had continued evolving as various races, with some races more developed than others. Darwin classified his own white race as more advanced than those “lower organisms” such as pygmies, and he called different people groups “savage,” “low,” and “degraded.”
You are speaking truth!
What we all need to realize how are views are race and the prejudice created from them are birthed our educational systems and institutions of higher learning. WE LEARN RACISM.
Most of us were taught there are 5 races African, Asian, European, Native American, and Oceanian This myth has been dispelled by The Human Genome project and others recent DNA studies. All humans on 99.9% the same there is a 0.1% DNA difference between all races but we cling to racist pseudo science of the past.

[insight]

The Bolded shows your own prejudice toward others. It's funny that not one single person has answered theman93s factual evidence he continues to bring up. Funny that so many of yall think that it's impossible for races to actually love each other and act without bias. What ****ed up segregated hoods did you guys grow up in? Now, are there plenty of communities like this? Hell yes there are...look at the bible belt where there is overt racism from all sides involved (blacks don't go to white communities and vice versa because both are met with violence). However, to overgeneralize this to everyone in the US or even the majority of population in the us....that's some distorted thinking. I'm not saying it's your fault if you think these things, I'm just saying that you seem to have a very limited worldview. I've been to a bunch of countries outside of the US and the majority of them (yes even the "westernized" ones) are openly racist. Whether it be British vs Irish or Italian vs French or almost anyone vs Eastern Europeans, it's extremely clear once you step foot outside the US. However, this doesn't stop them from finding a way to survive and even thrive. It is a big blindspot for the black community in the US to focus on the deck being "rigged from the beginning" because if that were the case, you wouldn't see poor Asians or Indians (from India) or Europeans or South Americans coming over to the US and succeeding.

I think it says a lot about the goals of some of these organizations when the clear problem that started all of this involves protocols not being in place or enforced by higher ups in law enforcement to make sure they are uniform across the board...and yet these organizations turn it into a race issue. What practical change will that accomplish exactly? You want it to happen less or do you just want an excuse to again be mad at the "system" or events from the past that no longer are relevant? It comes off as a defense mechanism to distract from people actually changing. You believe black lives matter? Make sure you are creating programs or at least volunteering in them to make your neighborhood better or increase education. Make sure you are taking steps to become a more "powerful" member of this democracy aka moving up in financial class. You can't say you want change but then aren't willing to do the hard work to change it (btw raising pitchforks, making posters, and looting aren't hard).

I am prejudice. I absolutely include myself. I understand I have many biases which were formed by where I grew up, my education, my religious beliefs and personal experiences. You must understand we all have FALSE preconceived notions about race, gender, and religion that we LEARNED from BIRTH and distort our perceptions of others.
The truth is humans are tribal. Is it a coincidence we fought two World Wars over RACE? Tribalism extends much further than race why do you think Americans demonize each other based on the political party they chose to support.
If you believe we all don't have carry bias towards others you are fooling yourself.


It's funny that not one single person has answered theman93s factual evidence he continues to bring up.
If you really want factual evidence you would have read https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/un-report-on-racial-disparities/

[tpols]

You do realize that pseudo science you're speaking of is Darwinism right?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Origin_of_Species_title_page.jpg/1200px-Origin_of_Species_title_page.jpg

This is the holy grail for evolution. Look right in the middle of the title;

The origin of species
by means of natural selection
or the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life.

Did you catch it? The favored races. You know what that means right? It's built on racism.

the truth is often brutal. fact is, everybody is different and nobody had a choice.

[RogueBorg]

the truth is often brutal. fact is, everybody is different and nobody had a choice.

I agree, where I'll disagree (generally speaking) is no one race is better than another. Everyone of us want to fit in, we love, we cry, we hurt, we laugh, want to be successful. When you see a tragedy unfold on TV you see family members crying and wailing, we all respond the same way. What separates us is where we were raised, by who we were raised. We're all human beings.

[tpols]

I agree, where I'll disagree (generally speaking) is no one race is better than another. Everyone of us want to fit in, we love, we cry, we hurt, we laugh, want to be successful. When you see a tragedy unfold on TV you see family members crying and wailing, we all respond the same way. What separates us is where we were raised, by who we were raised. We're all human beings.

not saying one better than another, just different. equality is a myth, life is inherently unfair.

[3ball]

It's funny because this is just one moment in time

There was a time when brown and dark-skinned people had the most powerful and rich civilizations, and that will one day happen again

Whites simply happened to discover guns first, so they took over the world... If another race had discovered them, they would've risen to the top of the the socioeconomic ladder and maybe even enslaved whites and put them at the bottom.

I think there's an aesthetic and vibrant appeal that blacks have, which elevates our talent and skill.. I'm not saying other races DON'T have it.. I'm just saying blacks DO.. that's why blacks are often uniquely-compelling when they have the opportunity to reach the top (or the few that can make their opportunity)... People like Obama, Tiger, Serena or Ivey are uniquely-compelling because of their ability, but the additional vibrancy of being black elevates that ability.. this will occur more and more as blacks get equal educational, criminal justice and role models - their vibrancy of being black will elevate their ability over peers and make them the most compelling in the room.. it will really be something in 100-200 years when Africa rules the world

[999Guy]

Black people probably have the most compelling single individuals. Across different aspects of culture.

In politics, athletes, musicians, comedians. Whatever. Science and and innovation? No. But Isaac Newton died a broke virgin. That type of thing just never gets the sway of a genius with.. style.
Cult of personalities.

There’s a lack of historical depth of them compared to whites for several reasons that are their and not their fault, but the overwhelming abundance of them in just the second half of the 20th century to now proves the point.

But good lord is it on the extreme end as well. Lots of trash black people lol.

That’s a male thing in general however. Men are the greatest and the absolute worst at every single thing. You’ll rarely find a truly pathetic woman beyond redeemability. Plenty of truly pathetic men. And plenty of genius, extraordinary mother****ers out there and in history.

[3ball]

There's a lot of lazy or depressed people that simply can't and won't MAKE their own way out of a bad or poor situation

But if they didn't have to dig out of a hole and simply had great opportunity all along, their talent would show and they'd knock it out of the park

Most successful people wouldn't be successful without the right upbringing, parents, or circumstance

[tpols]

It's funny because this is just one moment in time

There was a time when brown and dark-skinned people had the most powerful and rich civilizations, and that will one day happen again

Whites simply happened to discover guns first, so they took over the world... If another race had discovered them, they would've risen to the top of the the socioeconomic ladder and maybe even enslaved whites and put them at the bottom.

I think there's an aesthetic and vibrant appeal that blacks have, which elevates our talent and skill.. I'm not saying other races DON'T have it.. I'm just saying blacks DO.. that's why blacks are often uniquely-compelling when they have the opportunity to reach the top (or the few that can make their opportunity)... People like Obama, Tiger, Serena or Ivey are uniquely-compelling because of their ability, but the additional vibrancy of being black elevates that ability.. this will occur more and more as blacks get equal educational, criminal justice and role models - their vibrancy of being black will elevate their ability over peers and make them the most compelling in the room.. it will really be something in 100-200 years when Africa rules the world

when has africa ever ruled the world?

Old Egypt was the only dominant african civilization and they looked like this.

https://giantbomb1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/0/9981/464192-cleopatra.jpg

Greece also had no problem beating them with no guns.

[3ball]

when has africa ever ruled the world?

Old Egypt was the only dominant african civilization and they looked like this.

https://giantbomb1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/0/9981/464192-cleopatra.jpg

Greece also had no problem beating them with no guns.

You really think they all looked like that? Pretty dumb thing to say

And the first civilizations in the world were all in Africa.. Many powerful civilizations.. do your research

Btw, the Egyptians only lost after they had like 8 three-peats... Nothing lasts forever

[tpols]

if you think africa is going to rule the world in 100-200 years that says a lot.

like... there's a better chance of the timberwolves going on a 3peat starting next year.

[3ball]

if you think africa is going to rule the world in 100-200 years that says a lot.

like... there's a better chance of the timberwolves going on a 3peat starting next year.

100-200 years is a lot of time... It took Japan a couple decades to become a world power

Btw, Africans are wicked smart.. people don't realize that... They think it's a poor continent with tribes, but there are many developed countries like Nigeria.. And you have to be much smarter on many levels to make it out there compared to our land of milk and honey

The Africans that come to this country are truly amazing - scholars that know 6 languages - they don't fit the American black stereotype AT ALL

Obama's father came from Kenya on a scholarship to Harvard for his Doctorate in Economics.. In the 60's... He wrote controversial papers and got kicked out.. ahead of his time obviously.. his son got it right though

Again, don't conflate black Americans with Africans that come to America... Night and day.. Apparently, it helps to come here voluntarily

[Stanley Kobrick]

wow that user Tpols thinks ancient Egyptians actually looked like Aladdin and Jazmine. amazingly low IQ, but not a surpising take

[tpols]

100-200 years is a lot of time... It took Japan a couple decades to become a world power

Btw, Africans are wicked smart.. people don't realize that... They think it's a poor continent with tribes, but there are many developed countries like Nigeria.. And you have to be much smarter on many levels to make it out there compared to our land of milk and honey

The Africans that come to this country are truly amazing - scholars that know 6 languages - they don't fit the American black stereotype AT ALL

Obama's father came from Kenya on a scholarship to Harvard for his Doctorate in Economics.. In the 60's... He wrote controversial papers and got kicked out.. ahead of his time obviously.. his son got it right though

Again, don't conflate black Americans with Africans that come to America... Night and day.. Apparently, it helps to come here voluntarily

dude china is taking over africa as we type.

i know africans are smart, but theyre in no position to take over anything.

There may have been great african societies in the past but they never expanded much outside africa. While Asians (khan) and euros have dominated all over the whole world.

it goes way beyond guns. Horses and boats might be > .

Its just generally better technology. Look who invented the computer were typing on.

[3ball]

dude china is taking over africa as we type.

i know africans are smart, but theyre in no position to take over anything.

There may have been great african societies in the past but they never expanded much outside africa. While Asians (khan) and euros have dominated all over the whole world.

it goes way beyond guns. Horses and boats might be > .

Its just generally better technology. Look who invented the computer were typing on.

Great

So whites got it started with some antiquated technology.. and the brown folks will take it from here thanks

It happens in life.. it's called evolution.. things reach higher and higher levels.. everyone had their time and the brown folks will have theirs.... Again...... it'll be even more glorious than the last time

Btw, Africa or other brown/black countries "not being in position right now" like you said - that's why I said 100-200 years.... I probably overshot it.. Again, Japan wasn't exactly "in position" following WW2

[Lion's pride]

Wow this thread is a mix of some intelligent debate/discussion and straight up comedy...

The only thing I want to add to this topic right now is,

THERE WON'T BE A SINGLE PERSON WHO IS CHANGING THEIR MIND.. NO ONE DOES.. FOR RIGHT OR WRONG..

but please carry on.. if this world goes up in flames at least I will be entertained ...

[theman93]

Either your reading comprehension is servery lacking, you are intellectually dishonest most likely BOTH.

If you didn't know what the The 15th Amendment was a simple google search would have produced the following
The 15th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution granted African American men the right to vote by declaring that the "right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Instead of asking why blacks were not able to vote after the 15th Amendment was passed, you want to jump to 2020 because YOU KNOW discrimination still existed EVEN when the laws appeared to be FAIR and EQUAL.
The document h highlighted these practices EXIST TODAY.
I quote:


YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! Your pride and prejudice prevent you from accepting the very answers you claim to want.

I encourage any one genuinely interested in learning the truth read the report for themselves.[/B]
https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/un-report-on-racial-disparities/

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Law enforcement prerogatives are not policies, and nothing presented gives factual evidence that their prerogatives are racist. The entire article has it's feet swept out from under it when it quotes Dekmar because what do we find out? That crime rates are higher in minority neighborhoods. And what do higher crime rates lead to? More resources being allocated to those neighborhoods to fight crime. And what happens when more resources are allocated to these neighborhoods to fight against the higher crime rates? More incarcerations and more repeat offenders. And what do repeat offenders get? Longer sentences. This isn't rocket science.

Now let's address the 15th Amendment and the inconsistencies that ensued. Under law it gave blacks the right to vote. But in reality it didn't fully because why? What are you able to point to to prove that? Policies. Policies such as grandfather clauses, poll taxes, and literacy tests. And how did we know those policies were truly racist in intent? Because they were part of the Jim Crow laws which legalized racial segregation. The only policy in the report you linked that argues a specific policy being racially influenced are the Drug-Free Zone Laws. Yet we know it's not because anybody of any skin color who commits a drug crime in the zone faces time. Just like anybody of any skin color who is poor struggles to pay bail.

Also I find it hilarious how bias of a "report" this is. A report doesn't make recommendations like this one did. A report outlines the data it finds and leaves it at that. Besides, if according to you, "data is created by those with political agendas" idk why I'm even taking anything you link seriously anyways.

[insight]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Law enforcement prerogatives are not policies, and nothing presented gives factual evidence that their prerogatives are racist. The entire article has it's feet swept out from under it when it quotes Dekmar because what do we find out? That crime rates are higher in minority neighborhoods. And what do higher crime rates lead to? More resources being allocated to those neighborhoods to fight crime. And what happens when more resources are allocated to these neighborhoods to fight against the higher crime rates? More incarcerations and more repeat offenders. And what do repeat offenders get? Longer sentences. This isn't rocket science.

Now let's address the 15th Amendment and the inconsistencies that ensued. Under law it gave blacks the right to vote. But in reality it didn't fully because why? What are you able to point to to prove that? Policies. Policies such as grandfather clauses, poll taxes, and literacy tests. And how did we know those policies were truly racist in intent? Because they were part of the Jim Crow laws which legalized racial segregation. The only policy in the report you linked that argues a specific policy being racially influenced are the Drug-Free Zone Laws. Yet we know it's not because anybody of any skin color who commits a drug crime in the zone faces time. Just like anybody of any skin color who is poor struggles to pay bail.

Also I find it hilarious how bias of a "report" this is. A report doesn't make recommendations like this one did. A report outlines the data it finds and leaves it at that. Besides, if according to you, "data is created by those with political agendas" idk why I'm even taking anything you link seriously anyways.

I agree with your statement "This isn't rocket science" but I am completely baffled by your "Law enforcement prerogatives are not policies"statement. I,m not going to argue semantics with you because we both know this is a red herring but I have never heard the term Police Prerogatives before, that's a new one.
You may not like what the document says but it is factual and objective. What evidence do you have that supports your claim that the document had a political bias and is from a partisan entity?
Are you searching for truth or confirmation bias?
If what you say is true, blacks simple commit more crimes as you suggest why are incarceration rates higher in old slave states (South) compared to the Northern States?
Should we believe that Southern Blacks are more inclined to commit crimes than Northern Blacks?

This correlation has been mapped 1860 - 2019. https://pudding.cool/2017/01/shape-of-slavery/

[sejoon101]

Where the *** are people pulling stats out their asses saying whites are 77% and blacks are 13% of the popupation? So... rest of the races are 10%??????

Common sense alone should tell you mexicans alone is probably close to 10%. Throw in rest of the hispanics and asians in the mix, its legit impossible for the demographics to be 10% for everyone not black or white

[Da_Realist]

Sad news. Had a heated conversation 2 nights ago about Black Lives Matter with a longtime friend. He argued that blacks greatest threat is racist cops. I told him the facts say otherwise. Blacks on black crime is exponentially more numerous than cop on black crime.

I texted him again last night but received no answer.

Then my mom told me this morning my friend's cousin was shot to death last night by a group of thugs. --> https://www.thv11.com/article/news/crime/late-night-homicide-off-napa-valley-drive/91-d0e7cc3b-545c-42cb-914e-9a078c609fff

I know so many shot and some killed by the hands of other black males. I don't personally know anyone that's been killed by cop. I know it exists but I don't have any experience with it nor do any of my friends and family. We are just led by the liberal media to believe we are constantly in danger from being killed by cops. I've been pulled over for speeding, for screwing around in the back seat of my car and even on suspicion of child abduction (I was playfully dragging the kids outside a Best Buy. Someone anonymously called the cops because there had been a report that someone had kidnapped 2 black kids. They thought it was me.) Never had a bad experience. I showed respect. They asked questions. I answered them. They asked my kids questions. They let us go. Not saying this is always the case for everyone but it happens more often than we'd like to admit right now.

But black on black crime? I've lost several friends and family members to black on black crime. Now my friend has lost his cousin. (By the way, this same friend got busted smuggling drugs across state lines in 2012 and had to go to federal prison for 3 or 4 years. He never said the cops did anything to him. He only referenced what he has seen on tv.)

Update:

https://i.postimg.cc/P512xhgX/Darreyl.jpg

[theman93]

I agree with your statement "This isn't rocket science" but I am completely baffled by your "Law enforcement prerogatives are not policies"statement. I,m not going to argue semantics with you because we both know this is a red herring but I have never heard the term Police Prerogatives before, that's a new one.
You may not like what the document says but it is factual and objective. What evidence do you have that supports your claim that the document had a political bias and is from a partisan entity?
Are you searching for truth or confirmation bias?
If what you say is true, blacks simple commit more crimes as you suggest why are incarceration rates higher in old slave states (South) compared to the Northern States?
Should we believe that Southern Blacks are more inclined to commit crimes than Northern Blacks?

This correlation has been mapped 1860 - 2019. https://pudding.cool/2017/01/shape-of-slavery/

Simple. Because southern states are generally responsible for more violent crimes.

[insight]

Update:

https://i.postimg.cc/P512xhgX/Darreyl.jpg
You act like most black people don't care about black on black crime which is not true. Most black on black crimes are solved and the perpetrator is punished so why do you keep comparing it against crimes committed by police officers that go unpunished. Shouldn't the police officers be held to the same or higher standards than the citizens?
One of the first things we learn as a child about our society is the pledge of allegiance which says.
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all

If a government institution like the police department is allowed deny or grant liberty and justice based on skin color doesn't it undermine the core principle we are all buying into as citizens of this society?
If cops don't follow the the law and these core values why should the citizens?
If a basketball coach tells their players don't break the law, but the players see the coach committing crimes they will not respect his or her authority.
Most crimes are committed along racial lines, you keep stating black on black crime happens more, but that is true of every racial group. The difference is every other group doesn't have to worry about police officers committing crimes against them based on the color of their skin.

[insight]

Simple. Because southern states are generally responsible for more violent crimes.
Not seeing that, not sure where you are pulling your violent crimes stats from.
Did you ever answer seejoon101's question?


Where the *** are people pulling stats out their asses saying whites are 77% and blacks are 13% of the popupation? So... rest of the races are 10%??????

Common sense alone should tell you mexicans alone is probably close to 10%. Throw in rest of the hispanics and asians in the mix, its legit impossible for the demographics to be 10% for everyone not black or white

[MaxPlayer]

You act like most black people don't care about black on black crime which is not true. Most black on black crimes are solved and the perpetrator is punished so why do you keep comparing it against crimes committed by police officers that go unpunished. Shouldn't the police officers be held to the same or higher standards than the citizens?
One of the first things we learn as a child about our society is the pledge of allegiance which says.
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all

If a government institution like the police department is allowed deny or grant liberty and justice based on skin color doesn't it undermine the core principle we are all buying into as citizens of this society?
If cops don't follow the the law and these core values why should the citizens?
If a basketball coach tells their players don't break the law, but the players see the coach committing crimes they will not respect his or her authority.
Most crimes are committed along racial lines, you keep stating black on black crime happens more, but that is true of every racial group. The difference is every other group doesn't have to worry about police officers committing crimes against them based on the color of their skin.

Also, a large proportion of black-on-black crime falls into one of 2 categories:

1.) Gang-related violence - clearly this is tragic, but not really a gigantic public concern in-and-of itself, as its impact is largely restricted to gang members, and so can be avoided by not joining a gang.

2.) Regular private crime, which can occur for any number of reasons, and which is often associated with deeply systemic factors like socioeconomic status. Again, tragic, but not something that's easy to fix with mere "awareness".

Police violence, by contrast, is in principle much more preventable. The police officers all funded by and work for the government, so their actions should be more easily controllable. Even if the scope of the problem might be smaller than black-on-black crime, the potential solutions are more obvious and possibly more achievable, so it makes strategic sense to focus on it.

[tpols]

Also, a large proportion of black-on-black crime falls into one of 2 categories:

1.) Gang-related violence - clearly this is tragic, but not really a gigantic public concern in-and-of itself, as its impact is largely restricted to gang members, and so can be avoided by not joining a gang.

2.) Regular private crime, which can occur for any number of reasons, and which is often associated with deeply systemic factors like socioeconomic status. Again, tragic, but not something that's easy to fix with mere "awareness".

Police violence, by contrast, is in principle much more preventable. The police officers all funded by and work for the government, so their actions should be more easily controllable. Even if the scope of the problem might be smaller than black-on-black crime, the potential solutions are more obvious and possibly more achievable, so it makes strategic sense to focus on it.

the whole point is even if you remove the police problem, what does that solve?

yall will lay each other out in the street anyway even more as all the statistics from baltimore and chicago show.

You're ****ed with or without the police.

Look inside.

[Lion's pride]

"most black on black crimes are solved"..

just curious but where the hell is the proof of that? I don't believe this is any where near true.. especially when "snitching" in the black community is considered worse than the actually murder many times..

[insight]

the whole point is even if you remove the police problem, what does that solve?

yall will lay each other out in the street anyway even more as all the statistics from baltimore and chicago show.

You're ****ed with or without the police.

Look inside.
No I think you a way off base on that one. Aristotle said "Poverty is the parent of crime" Don't be duped into believing that higher crime rates are a direct result of skin color.
Just look at how the homicide rates skyrocked during the Great Depression, and then declined by 20% when the New Deal was enacted. People under economic stress and sense of hopelessness commit more crimes.

[Lion's pride]

No I think you a way off base on that one. Aristotle said "Poverty is the parent of crime" Don't be duped into believing that higher crime rates are a direct result of skin color.
Just look at how the homicide rates skyrocked during the Great Depression, and then declined by 20% when the New Deal was enacted. People under economic stress and sense of hopelessness commit more crimes.

economic influences definitely affect the crime rate... But there are so many other factors... Broken families (my number 1 reason) poor education.. Influence by music (Glorifying bad behaviors as kool etc..) just to name a few..

[Soundwave]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[insight]

"most black on black crimes are solved"..

just curious but where the hell is the proof of that? I don't believe this is any where near true.. especially when "snitching" in the black community is considered worse than the actually murder many times..
Yeah, You have point I spoke top generally.
I should have said homicides, which I believe around 65% nationally. We all know there is a slim to none chance a cop gets convicted of killing a unarmed black man.
As mentioned by Maxplayer Gang Related crimes make up these crimes, they have there own subculture.

[insight]

I agree with you but high tide does raise all boats. Generally speaking the economic situation has improved, and so has the US crime rate. I believe Chicago's homicide rate has been in decline which is the case in many other inner cities. I think another major factor the Jail and Prison system in America is a business. America has less than 5% of the worlds population about almost 25% of the prison population. There are more jails and prisons in America than Colleges. More resources need to be transferred producing better schools, and vocation training, after school programs instead of building more prisons.

[3ball]

the whole point is even if you remove the police problem, what does that solve?

yall will lay each other out in the street anyway even more as all the statistics from baltimore and chicago show.

You're ****ed with or without the police.

Look inside.

the "defund police" story is being misreported

That movement doesn't want zero police - every city needs the capability to respond to emergencies and send out units for domestic situations or other crimes.. But that's ALL we should be paying for - we don't need half the city's budget for that. We have too many fancy SUV cop cars riding around this city doing nothing. Consequently, they're almost forced to harass people and police for profit because they're overstaffed. Defunding the police is absolutely the answer, and diverting 30-50% of their budget to mental health treatment and education reform.. that would solve the homeless problem and help our inner cities, thus reducing the need for so many police

The police and the tendency to never question them has allowed them to glad-hand their way to half the city's budget and a culture that uses minorities as their atm (aka ticket them for something meaningless, and then fine them again or arrest them when they can't pay, aka stay in system forever.. Rogan talks about it well here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhu5GsaSGYs&t=02m26s)).. time to end it - all rackets come to an end

[tpols]

the "defund police" story is being misreported

That movement doesn't want zero police - every city needs the capability to respond to emergencies and send out units for domestic situations or other crimes.. But that's ALL we should be paying for - we don't need half the city's budget for that. We have too many fancy SUV cop cars riding around this city doing nothing. Consequently, they're almost forced to harass people and police for profit because they're overstaffed. Defunding the police is absolutely the answer, and diverting 30-50% of their budget to mental health treatment and education reform.. that would solve the homeless problem and help our inner cities, thus reducing the need for so many police

The police and the tendency to never question them has allowed them to glad-hand their way to half the city's budget and a culture that uses minorities as their atm (aka ticket them for something meaningless, and then fine them again or arrest them when they can't pay, aka stay in system forever.. Rogan talks about it well here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhu5GsaSGYs&t=02m26s)).. time to end it - all rackets come to an end

i agree with that 100% and would love to have it implemented in north NJ.

i just dont see how it solves inner city crime issues. but id love to drive around without having to worry about getting picked off by police looking to fill a quotas and rob me.

[3ball]

i agree with that 100% and would love to have it implemented in north NJ.

i just dont see how it solves inner city crime issues. but id love to drive around without having to worry about getting picked off by police looking to fill a quotas and rob me.

Let's take Los Angeles and the 1.8 billion allocated to the cops

I'm pretty sure we could handle all the emergency calls with 800 million a year

That leaves 1 billion for education reform and mental health treatment (or if that's too much, we can make it $500 million, but I don't think it's too much)....

So instead of arresting a homeless guy for trespassing and loitering, we'd take him to a behavioral health clinic and let them stay there until they're stable enough to be let out... This usually means MEDICATION - a lot of these people on the street literally have schizophrenia and simply need medication - this requires a stay in a facility, but the cops are currently using this money to arrest these people instead and be overstaffed in general

So the investment in mental health treatment would drastically reduce if not eliminate homelessness

Education reform is more difficult because simply building fancy schools in bad neighborhoods that lack role models doesn't fix the problem.. We need tons of activities/options for kids to engage in so they don't settle for the default - aka doing what they saw the next guy doing (dirt).. this requires a lot of manpower in each community where people are willing to invest time in creating programs, leagues, civic events and other options for kids to get involved in - this must happen in every community so the options are there.. So its education reform, but its actually COMMUNITY reform.. And with George Floyd's murder, people are waking up to the fact that overfunded police departments are a source of funds for these kinds of measures..

its ironic, but reduction of the police force reduces the number of arrestable people because the funds can be diverted to things that improve communities.. and these funds are otherwise being wasted on useless, roaming police SUV's that don't catch anything in the act and only harass poor people.. so we may as well divert these funds to improving communities - that will stop crime more than these overfunded Police departments have

[3ball]

dont see how it solves inner city crime issues



Has the current system worked, where we overfund the police department and pack the streets with expensive SUV's that never catch anyone in the act?

No, we know that approach hasn't worked

So why not take some of those inefficient funds and divert it to improving the community, which could reduce crime more than the current wasteful and failed system does?... Investing in mental health reform and education/community reform will surely reduce crime more than the current overfunding, which hasn't worked

Let's take Los Angeles and the 1.8 billion allocated to the cops as an example

I'm pretty sure we could handle all the emergency calls with 800 million a year

That leaves 1 billion for education reform and mental health treatment (or if that's too much, we can make it $500 million, but I don't think it's too much)....

its ironic, but reduction of the police force reduces the number of arrestable people because the funds can be diverted to things that improve communities.. and these funds are otherwise being wasted on useless, roaming police SUV's that don't catch anything in the act and only harass poor people.. so we may as well divert these funds to improving communities - that will stop crime more than these overfunded Police departments have

[insight]

Let's take Los Angeles and the 1.8 billion allocated to the cops

I'm pretty sure we could handle all the emergency calls with 800 million a year

That leaves 1 billion for education reform and mental health treatment (or if that's too much, we can make it $500 million, but I don't think it's too much)....

So instead of arresting a homeless guy for trespassing and loitering, we'd take him to a behavioral health clinic and let them stay there until they're stable enough to be let out... This usually means MEDICATION - a lot of these people on the street literally have schizophrenia and simply need medication - this requires a stay in a facility, but the cops are currently using this money to arrest these people instead and be overstaffed in general

So the investment in mental health treatment would drastically reduce if not eliminate homelessness

Education reform is more difficult because simply building fancy schools in bad neighborhoods that lack role models doesn't fix the problem.. We need tons of activities/options for kids to engage in so they don't settle for the default - aka doing what they saw the next guy doing (dirt).. this requires a lot of manpower in each community where people are willing to invest time in creating programs, leagues, civic events and other options for kids to get involved in - this must happen in every community so the options are there.. So its education reform, but its actually COMMUNITY reform.. And with George Floyd's murder, people are waking up to the fact that overfunded police departments are a source of funds for these kinds of measures..

its ironic, but reduction of the police force reduces the number of arrestable people because the funds can be diverted to things that improve communities.. and these funds are otherwise being wasted on useless, roaming police SUV's that don't catch anything in the act and only harass poor people.. so we may as well divert these funds to improving communities - that will stop crime more than these overfunded Police departments have

I agree, the system needs to be restructured in a significant way. It's unfortunate to see some of the brightest minds in the country skillfully misdirect the public into thinking about these problems as binary choices.
Fund police vs De-fund police, instead of coming up with new solutions to fix the problems facing our communities. The REAL PROBLEM is crime and fear of crime is a lucrative business in America.
Locking up fewer homeless, mentally ill and black folks is bad for business.

Why would you ever want to drain the swamp if your business is catching alligators.

[insight]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_IjvBQwIAQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU95oUsGysY

[RRR3]

I've new found respect for 3ball - still doesn't know anything about basketball
3ball is at least a decent dude at heart, yeah. He's one of the most annoying trolls on here about basketball, but he was on point in this thread.

[imdaman99]

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3ball redeeming himself? :eek: figured he was that poster samuraiswoosh, but he's clearly not a racist pos like him.