You can either choose to believe this or not... but Trump is not establishment

[Shogon]

and that is the by far and away biggest reason that he gets so much flak from the media and resistance from the politicians. It's not the only reason, obviously, his leadership style has holes in it and he's rather thin skinned. We all know this... he's far from an ideal president.

However, and this is the part you either get to choose to believe or not...

I spoke to someone recently that has voted for both sides of the aisle that has worked in the past with a particular state's attorney general for years... they also worked with James Comey for years... and they confirmed to me, in no uncertain words, that the shadow government is an absolute real thing. They said that the majority of what is seen on TV and in the papers coming out of Washington DC via the politicians is nothing but scenery for the public and that the people truly pulling the strings are the ones that are in these multi decade long positions that are't elected.

Not that I didn't already believe this... I did... it was just beyond cool to be able to have a lengthy conversation with someone who actually was an insider at one time and to have the confirmation.

Basically, love him or hate him, Trump isn't bought and paid for and this is why he faces such incredible resistance in Washington DC and in the media... I mean, his personal leadership style aside. He doesn't really play ball, he marches to the beat of his own drummer, as he obviously self funded his entire campaign.

Now, go back to sleep for those of you that don't believe me. This is all made up and just a dream.

[Im Still Ballin]

"I'm going to drain the swamp!"


- Gives massive tax breaks to big businesses/fortune 500 companies.


Lol'd hard.

[RRR3]

"I'm going to drain the swamp!"


- Gives massive tax breaks to big businesses/fortune 500 companies.


Lol'd hard.
/thread



Believing Trump is anti establishment is some real smooth brain shit.


Why is he anti establishment? Because of his twitter? :lol. It’s about policy.

[Shogon]

Believing Trump is anti establishment is some real smooth brain shit.

Yep, the guy that has not taken us into any new wars when all of the other presidents have is just another part of the establishment. Right.

Holy shit you're dumb.

[tpols]

/thread



Believing Trump is anti establishment is some real smooth brain shit.


Why is he anti establishment? Because of his twitter? :lol. It’s about policy.

you're making OP's point.

trump had no choice but to pass that because that is what the powers to be, behind the scenes wanted.

and it did boost the economy which is his only real calling card.

There's NEVER been a president that pushed back as hard as trump.

Against democrats.

Against republicans.

Against China.

Against a biased and out of control media.

Despite being a huge dbag, the guy is a shining star of perserverence and fight.

[RRR3]

Yep, the guy that has not taken us into any new wars when all of the other presidents have is just another part of the establishment. Right.

Holy shit you're dumb.
Literally had a chance to end the fighting in Yemen (it was backed for Congress) and said no.




Interdasting.


Increased drone strikes (quite an accomplishment given how much Obama used them).



Interdasting.





You don’t want to even get into the economic stuff :lol

[RRR3]

you're making OP's point.

trump had no choice but to pass that because that is what the powers to be, behind the scenes wanted.

and it did boost the economy which is his only real calling card.

There's NEVER been a president that pushed back as hard as trump.

Against democrats.

Against republicans.

Against China.

Against a biased and out of control media.

Despite being a huge dbag, the guy is a shining star of perserverence and fight.
Literally heard the same thing about Obama (in fact I was guilty of doing it myself). Wahhhh it’s the meany pants congress’s fault, he’s trying his best you guys :cry:

[coin24]

So the media (left activists) were up in arms about impeaching trump for Russian collusion, yet when it's proven that Obama and pals lied under oath about all the Russian info it's dead silence?

The media is out of control

[Norcaliblunt]

Lmao at the shadow government being some unified thing. It has different factions like everything else. The mainstream media got him elected. Right now with everyone else being censored and deplatformed it proves that the media loves him. If they didn’t he would have been censored, deplatformed, blacked out and pushed away. That’s how they deal with people who are really antiestablishment. Instead they gave him more airtime then everyone and created this crazy narrative. Y’all are dumb as hell. Lol.

[Derka]

Dude is establishment as all f*ck. All the shit other presidents do to serve the real powers in this country, he does willingly and gladly.

That Americans continue to think he’s some maverick anti-establishment guy is pretty lols.

[FultzNationRISE]

Problem is low IQs like hitleRRR3 dont understand that they dont have to embrace Trump for HIS direction. They should be embracing him simply as a step AWAY from the establishment.

If some people want to pivot again in 2024 after Trump thats fine. You can support him against the establishment now and still disagree with any specific policies now or later.

Soycuck is just too scared tho. If more Bernie Bros begin to at least accept that Trump has value as an anti establishment guy, Soycuck will jump on it too.

There just arent enough people in his group moving yet, for him to have the confidence to move.

He needs a critical mass and then he’ll follow.

[Norcaliblunt]

Where does the narrative that he’s antiestablishment come from? The media. Lol.

[fsvr54]

https://streamable.com/b2h7tl

[FultzNationRISE]

Where does the narrative that he’s antiestablishment come from? The media. Lol.

Hmm..

Perhaps because the media IS establishment. Which they frame as a positive thing.

The media calls Trump anti establishment as a means to detract from him. The media doesnt want anti establishment leaders in charge.

It's up to you to decide if the media has your best interest in mind with that narrative.


If you're smart enough. :confusedshrug:

[FultzNationRISE]

Dude is establishment as all f*ck. All the shit other presidents do to serve the real powers in this country, he does willingly and gladly.

That Americans continue to think he’s some maverick anti-establishment guy is pretty lols.


This gentleman happens not to be smart enough.

[RRR3]

Problem is low IQs like hitleRRR3 dont understand that they dont have to embrace Trump for HIS direction. They should be embracing him simply as a step AWAY from the establishment.

If some people want to pivot again in 2024 after Trump thats fine. You can support him against the establishment now and still disagree with any specific policies now or later.

Soycuck is just too scared tho. If more Bernie Bros begin to at least accept that Trump has value as an anti establishment guy, Soycuck will jump on it too.

There just arent enough people in his group moving yet, for him to have the confidence to move.

He needs a critical mass and then he’ll follow.
I think you’re actually retarded. I’m not wasting my time explaining this all again to you when I did that very well in another thread and you chose to bury your head in the sand because you can’t handle criticism of Trump (having placed your entire sense of worth as a human being on him). Actually read my posts in that thread and think about what I said instead of screeching like a baboon about me being Hitler and I might take you semi-seriously.

[Norcaliblunt]

Hmm..

Perhaps because the media IS establishment. Which they frame as a positive thing.

The media calls Trump anti establishment as a means to detract from him. The media doesnt want anti establishment leaders in charge.

It's up to you to decide if the media has your best interest in mind with that narrative.


If you're smart enough. :confusedshrug:

But I thought the media was fake so they are telling the truth here?

Idiot.

[RRR3]

But I thought the media was fake so they are telling the truth here?

Idiot.
I told him this stuff in another thread

“ You’re right about Biden and other neoliberal ghouls being awful. The democratic establishment is evil. However you fail to realize...

•So is the Republican establishment.
•Trump is a pretty standard neoconservative Republican for the most part. Just because he feeds you populist rhetoric doesn’t make him an actual populist.



Bush? He doesn’t like his mean tweets and childish behavior. Bush was one of if not the worst Presidents of all time, but because he was “polite” lots of liberals have forgiven him and remember him fondly for some bizarre reason. Biden gets the same overall agenda of continuing income inequality done as Trump but without the mean tweets. What populist shit has Trump actually done? . Dude is continuing the fighting overseas, did the standard republican tax shit further increasing income inequality, has been beyond terrible for the environment, and failed to do anything about healthcare (in fact he tried to make it worse). He even banned bump stocks, so he’s actually worse on the 2nd amendment than Obama He continued to spend ridiculous sums of money on the military instead of spending it on the American people. He hasn’t even finished his goddamn wall.



Trump has done some good things on trade. But he’s continued Obama’s foreign policy (and Obama continued Bush’s foreign policy) instead of trying to solve U.S. imperialism. He’s actually increased drone strikes IIRC. He also refused to pull out of Yemen when congress was calling for it. He’s no dove.

Let’s not forget he installed a CIA puppet in Venezuela.”


He proceeded to meltdown and screech about putting me on an ignore list by the end of the thread.

[Hawker]

LOL @ Trump being a neocon. :roll:

Bill Kristol, Bush and all the other neocons that media love hate the guy. The best thing about Trump is he is killing the neocon movement.

When Trump first came on, RRR3 would say, "Bush sucked but at least he thought what he was doing was best for the country."

[RRR3]

LOL @ Trump being a neocon. :roll:

Bill Kristol, Bush and all the other neocons that media love hate the guy. The best thing about Trump is he is killing the neocon movement.

When Trump first came on, RRR3 would say, "Bush sucked but at least he thought what he was doing was best for the country."
RRR3 used to say a lot of dumb liberal shit before he woke up and stopped being a liberal. But if the best you have is stuff I used to say before I started paying attention and doing my homework, so to speak, instead of actually refuting my points...

Bush is quite possibly the worst president of all time, and his opinion is meaningless. It’s disgusting people forget how bad he was. He hates Trump because Trump is rude.

[Hawker]

RRR3 used to say a lot of dumb liberal shit before he woke up and stopped being a liberal. But if the best you have is stuff I used to say before I started paying attention and doing my homework, so to speak, instead of actually refuting my points...

Bush is quite possibly the worst president of all time, and his opinion is meaningless. It’s disgusting people forget how bad he was. He hates Trump because Trump is rude.

I'm with you on Bush man. Him and his ilk need to be rid of their influence.

[RRR3]

I'm with you on Bush man. Him and his ilk need to be rid of their influence.
Definitely. Same applies to Obama, the Clintons and Biden.

[falc39]

and that is the by far and away biggest reason that he gets so much flak from the media and resistance from the politicians. It's not the only reason, obviously, his leadership style has holes in it and he's rather thin skinned. We all know this... he's far from an ideal president.

However, and this is the part you either get to choose to believe or not...

I spoke to someone recently that has voted for both sides of the aisle that has worked in the past with a particular state's attorney general for years... they also worked with James Comey for years... and they confirmed to me, in no uncertain words, that the shadow government is an absolute real thing. They said that the majority of what is seen on TV and in the papers coming out of Washington DC via the politicians is nothing but scenery for the public and that the people truly pulling the strings are the ones that are in these multi decade long positions that are't elected.

Not that I didn't already believe this... I did... it was just beyond cool to be able to have a lengthy conversation with someone who actually was an insider at one time and to have the confirmation.

Basically, love him or hate him, Trump isn't bought and paid for and this is why he faces such incredible resistance in Washington DC and in the media... I mean, his personal leadership style aside. He doesn't really play ball, he marches to the beat of his own drummer, as he obviously self funded his entire campaign.

Now, go back to sleep for those of you that don't believe me. This is all made up and just a dream.

Why does this matter? Say if someone is stabbing you with a knife (or in this case, making our country worse), does it matter if that person was establishment or anti-establishment? Do we win something more if the country collapses under the leadership of an establishment or anti-establishment leader?

[TheMan]

and that is the by far and away biggest reason that he gets so much flak from the media and resistance from the politicians. It's not the only reason, obviously, his leadership style has holes in it and he's rather thin skinned. We all know this... he's far from an ideal president.

However, and this is the part you either get to choose to believe or not...

I spoke to someone recently that has voted for both sides of the aisle that has worked in the past with a particular state's attorney general for years... they also worked with James Comey for years... and they confirmed to me, in no uncertain words, that the shadow government is an absolute real thing. They said that the majority of what is seen on TV and in the papers coming out of Washington DC via the politicians is nothing but scenery for the public and that the people truly pulling the strings are the ones that are in these multi decade long positions that are't elected.

Not that I didn't already believe this... I did... it was just beyond cool to be able to have a lengthy conversation with someone who actually was an insider at one time and to have the confirmation.

Basically, love him or hate him, Trump isn't bought and paid for and this is why he faces such incredible resistance in Washington DC and in the media... I mean, his personal leadership style aside. He doesn't really play ball, he marches to the beat of his own drummer, as he obviously self funded his entire campaign.

Now, go back to sleep for those of you that don't believe me. This is all made up and just a dream.
Fukk off, he is a corporatist who gave the rich the biggest tax break in US history, the federal deficit has grown exponentially and the average American tax payer will eventually pay for it. His actions are pure run of the mill Republican. He is no populist, anyone who believes that shouldn't discuss politics (I'm looking at you Chris).

[sd3035]

Fukk off, he is a corporatist who gave the rich the biggest tax break in US history, the federal deficit has grown exponentially and the average American tax payer will eventually pay for it. His actions are pure run of the mill Republican. He is no populist, anyone who believes that shouldn't discuss politics (I'm looking at you Chris).

Nobody is going to have to pay for anything

People will have similar taxes if the debt goes up to 300 trillion

Even if the economy completely crashes, regular citizens aren't going to pay off the debt. Good luck to any idiot in power who tries to suggest that

[FultzNationRISE]

Why does this matter? Say if someone is stabbing you with a knife (or in this case, making our country worse), does it matter if that person was establishment or anti-establishment? Do we win something more if the country collapses under the leadership of an establishment or anti-establishment leader?

Beat down with a club is a step in the right direction from beat down with a knife.

Overhauls are not instantaneous.

[RRR3]

Fukk off, he is a corporatist who gave the rich the biggest tax break in US history, the federal deficit has grown exponentially and the average American tax payer will eventually pay for it. His actions are pure run of the mill Republican. He is no populist, anyone who believes that shouldn't discuss politics (I'm looking at you Chris).
Incoming starface meltdown where he makes up stories about Mexican women to “trigger” you.

[falc39]

Beat down with a club is a step in the right direction from beat down with a knife.

Overhauls are not instantaneous.

I could easily argue that Trump isn’t going in the right direction. Candidate Trump was far different than what real Trump is. He is a lot closer to his predecessors than most people want to admit. What exactly is he overhauling?

[RRR3]

I could easily argue that Trump isn’t going in the right direction. Candidate Trump was far different than what real Trump is. He is a lot closer to his predecessors than most people want to admit. What exactly is he overhauling?
I’ve asked him this and his answer was basically the big bad meany pants congress won’t let poor noble Trump do anything. Eventually you realize OP is just slavishly devoted to Trump and is unwilling to listen to legitimate criticism of his idol. He doesn’t care that Trump is establishment because it’s HIS guy. He can’t possibly admit he’s wrong so he’ll defend Trump no matter how corporate he gets. Because it’s more important to him that he be on the “winning” side than actually supporting someone with policies that help the country.

[FultzNationRISE]

I could easily argue that Trump isn’t going in the right direction. Candidate Trump was far different than what real Trump is. He is a lot closer to his predecessors than most people want to admit. What exactly is he overhauling?


He’s stopped the fear mongering of islamic terror. Has shown a willingness to scale back imperialism.

Deterred illegal immigration.

Got an outcome on trade that’s been lauded by many American farmers and manufacturers.

Criminal justice reform that’s taking a lot of non violent drug offenders out of incarceration.

Increased black employment.

Further exposed the shameless and unapologetic way media companies seek to control politics.


These are all good things in my book. :confusedshrug:

[Patrick Chewing]

The biggest fear the Dems have right now is Trump winning in November. Now that it's his last term, and the failed coup attempt fell flat on its face, Trump is going to annihilate the Deep State. He will get his revenge.

[FultzNationRISE]

The biggest fear the Dems have right now is Trump winning in November. Now that it's his last term, and the failed coup attempt fell flat on its face, Trump is going to annihilate the Deep State. He will get his revenge.



:applause:

[RRR3]

The biggest fear the Dems have right now is Trump winning in November. Now that it's his last term, and the failed coup attempt fell flat on its face, Trump is going to annihilate the Deep State. He will get his revenge.
Their biggest fear was Bernie winning actually. They don’t particularly care if Trump wins as long as Bernie doesn’t. Sure they’d prefer Biden, but Trump serves the same corporate overlords Biden does AND he allows to them cosplay as the resistance and is great for the media making money, so they’ll be fine with it. Why do you think Pelosi and co pass his military budgets and give him expanded surveillance powers?

[Patrick Chewing]

Their biggest fear was Bernie winning actually. They don’t particularly care if Trump wins as long as Bernie doesn’t. Sure they’d prefer Biden, but Trump serves the same corporate overlords Biden does AND he allows to them cosplay as the resistance and is great for the media making money, so they’ll be fine with it. Why do you think Pelosi and co pass his military budgets and give him expanded surveillance powers?

So let's make a deal. I rescind my bet against you which we all know I was going to win anyway. If you hate Pelosi and Co. as much as I do, I propose that we make a truce, and I ask that you vote for Trump this November, to put these Democrats in their place. After Trump wins, we can go back to our old ways and you can push whatever Socialist you want for 2024. Deal?


https://image.freepik.com/free-photo/business-man-open-hand-ready-seal-deal-partner-shaking-hands_36051-375.jpg

[RRR3]

So let's make a deal. I rescind my bet against you which we all know I was going to win anyway. If you hate Pelosi and Co. as much as I do, I propose that we make a truce, and I ask that you vote for Trump this November, to put these Democrats in their place. After Trump wins, we can go back to our old ways and you can push whatever Socialist you want for 2024. Deal?


https://image.freepik.com/free-photo/business-man-open-hand-ready-seal-deal-partner-shaking-hands_36051-375.jpg
I do hate Pelosi and Biden and their ilk, but I also hate Trump. So I’m voting green. I’m not changing my vote just to win a bet :lol

If you want to back out of the bet, that’s fine, I don’t really care that much, I think America is ****ed no matter which of those senile idiots win.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm not backing out. I'm trying to save you from leaving this board. And I'm trying to crush the Democratic establishment.

The two of us can work together. And then, we can resume our regular scheduled programming. Think it over. We have plenty of time.


Voting Green is a waste of time and a waste of a vote. Make your vote count!

[RRR3]

I'm not backing out. I'm trying to save you from leaving this board. And I'm trying to crush the Democratic establishment.

The two of us can work together. And then, we can resume our regular scheduled programming. Think it over. We have plenty of time.


Voting Green is a waste of time and a waste of a vote. Make your vote count!
You’re trying to get your hero an extra vote :oldlol:

If you’re that worried about me leaving there’s an obvious other route to go. Interesting you’re so desperate to have me around.

I live in Missouri btw Trump will win my state easily. You shouldn’t be worried about my state. Previously I would have said you shouldn’t be worried at all but a lot of voters are going to blame Trump for coronavirus and the riots and police brutality. These issues exist independently of Trump, obviously, but many voters don’t think that way. I think it might possibly be better in the long run if Trump wins again, but only if that finally convinces the Democrats to run a progressive in 2024. If not, then idk. I won’t vote for Biden or Trump though. Two sides of the same shit sandwich.

[kabar]

He’s stopped the fear mongering of islamic terror. Has shown a willingness to scale back imperialism.

Deterred illegal immigration.

Got an outcome on trade that’s been lauded by many American farmers and manufacturers.

Criminal justice reform that’s taking a lot of non violent drug offenders out of incarceration.

Increased black employment.

Further exposed the shameless and unapologetic way media companies seek to control politics.


These are all good things in my book. :confusedshrug:
Lauded by farmers? clueless.
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialRFDTV/videos/2395073420559249
Yeah they're so happy while Trump is groveling before xi needing a trade deal and getting played on coronavirus the entire time. We had plenty of warnings and we sent China 20 tons of PPE. :facepalm Now look, America is the worst victim to China's attack on the western world because our president is manipulated so easily.

[falc39]

He’s stopped the fear mongering of islamic terror. Has shown a willingness to scale back imperialism.

Deterred illegal immigration.

Got an outcome on trade that’s been lauded by many American farmers and manufacturers.

Criminal justice reform that’s taking a lot of non violent drug offenders out of incarceration.

Increased black employment.

Further exposed the shameless and unapologetic way media companies seek to control politics.


These are all good things in my book. :confusedshrug:

Any fear mongering on islamic terror has been replaced by a fear mongering of China. The problem with fear mongering is that it works by taking citizens attention off real problems within the country and places it on an outside entity. Just like the middle east, the situation then becomes unsolvable. The fact that you think he's done well on trade is probably the most laughable. What good is a empty trade deal when the nation is economically rotting from the inside? How much did the farmers get bailed out? How much money has the fed printed? Where are interest rates now? How's the deficit doing? Everything Bush and Obama got criticized for and should've gotten criticized- Trump has continued and done more of. A lot more. And we aren't better off because of it.

It's funny how you can just cherry pick a stat in isolation and try to make it some virtue on its own. You do know that employment has been dropping for a long time across all categories (blacks included) since the great recession more than a decade ago? When it was occurring under Obama, we pointed out the flaws of how the unemployment rate is calculated and that it was occurring because of the bubble economy. Now that we are here, as Trump demands the federal reserve to take us to negative interest rates (maybe the ultimate sign of the kind of bubble this economy has turned into), his supporters think the unemployment rate for blacks is something to be proud of? Right :rolleyes:

[Doomsday Dallas]

Regardless if Trump is establishment or not is irrelevant. If he wins in 2020, basically we can expect the entire country to be in ashes. Rioters & Looters will sink the ship.

Our only hope for the country to not spiral into complete chaos 6 months from now is Joe f*cking Biden. Unbelievable we find ourselves in this predicament. Just Amazing.

Joe Biden is now our only hope. lol.

if Trump wins the blood, destruction, and fire in the streets will be 100x worse than what we've seen this week.

Straight up Fire & Fury if Trumps wins.... we are one election away from the country loosing it's sanity. It will be national suicide.

Do you guys really think Biden will win in November? Do you guys really think the masses will be civilized w/ 4 more years of Trump?

Knowing how completely insane the left has become... let's just give it to Biden and escape 2020 in one piece.

We shouldn't be flirting with a disaster of epic proportions like this.

[coin24]

Your country is in the same shit shape it's been in for over 20 years. You fools actually believe this left vs right bulshit while both sides are fu*king you up the ass it's hilarious:lol

[FultzNationRISE]

w the unemployment rate is calculated and that it was occurring because of the bubble economy. Now that we are here, as Trump demands the federal reserve to take us to negative interest rates (maybe the ultimate sign of the kind of bubble this economy has turned into), his supporters think the unemployment rate for blacks is something to be proud of?Right :rolleyes:


Again, the ONLY thing I said is it was a step in the right direction. He’s clearly not capitulating to establishment forces on every issue. Not on trade, not on foreign policy. On financial policy, he is. He still spurred black employment early in his term before “corona,” which is genuinely positive. Has he pushed for greater financial reform, no, and that’s a perfectly valid criticism. Where did I say all our problems are solved?? I simply believe we need more people in Washington who arent on the payroll of a well-oiled neocon machine. Trump is clearly somewhat resistant to their dictates, but he cant completely overturn every facet of a massive bureaucracy on his own. Hes at least more genuine than his oredecessors.

That’s why I supported Trump vs Hillary and why I support him vs Biden. You act as if I wrote him in, selecting Donald Trump from among an endless list of realistic choices. He ran against hired guns, Hillary and Biden. He’s the best option we have right now. It’s that simple. Even you think he’s 90% as bad as previous presidents, THATS STILL IMPROVEMENT. It’s momentum to build on. Not to pout over just because everything hasn't changed immediately.

Moreover, you seem to think politicians are ever going to just roll over and start doing what’s good for the public and not themselves. Whom are you expecting to come along and reverse everything? I hear your complaints, I DONT HEAR YOUR SOLUTIONS. Everyone has to take action, or else we’re just sitting ducks. It’s not the DNC or the GOP’s country, it’s OUR country. So WE’RE responsible for the majority of what happens. Thats a free market democracy. Citizens themselves have to be MEANINGFULLY proactive or they deserve to get rolled.

I’m constantly trying to get MEANINGFUL dialogue going, but it gets ignored on here. Hardly anyone’s smart enough to engage in real discussion. Instead the majority favors gossip about Orange Man’s “Russia connections,” his ex hookers, his peen, or the coronavirus. What do you want the govt to do for a public like that? Don’s done more than most, frankly, but even still... it’s hard to justify going too rogue when the public isnt even supporting the positive things youve done, because theyre too consimed with orange bloodlust.

I started a business based on the principles people like YOU claim to believe in... But you had no interest. Okay. So what are YOUR solutions? What are YOU doing? I hear your complaints. I dont hear YOUR solutions.

Whenever youre confronted with this, you mutter something about how everyones doing something in their own way and then disappear in a huff. Ok, great. If youre implementing your own private solutions for your own situation, what do you have to complain about?

If you want more PUBLIC policy solutions, then I suggest you make a PUBLIC move. Do something. Propose something (realistic). Nobody on ISH sees or hears anything tangible from you, how are we supposed to take your complaints seriously?

You might as well join BLM.

[Im Still Ballin]

What he says is not nearly as important as what he does.


- Look at the policy/legislative changes

[Lakers Legend#32]

As long as Trump gives the 1% their tax cut, they will look the other way at his insanity.

[Whoah10115]

Trump is more establishment than most. He may not be Republican establishment, because he's gone back and forth for forty years, but he's the establishment, in every sense.

It's why the establishment have followed him. They were fearful at first, much like the Democrats were afraid of getting behind Bernie Sanders, and yes there is also truth in the fact that they were somewhat appalled by his rhetoric, plus he was new to the block.

But they follow him because of what's left of their establishment. The opposing wave, coupled with the vote he had going in his favor...tho maybe those two are the same things.

He doesn't stand for anything. I guess that makes him anti-establishment? He's just looking to win.

[kabar]

Again, the ONLY thing I said is it was a step in the right direction. He’s clearly not capitulating to establishment forces on every issue. Not on trade, not on foreign policy. On financial policy, he is. He still spurred black employment early in his term before “corona,” which is genuinely positive. Has he pushed for greater financial reform, no, and that’s a perfectly valid criticism. Where did I say all our problems are solved?? I simply believe we need more people in Washington who arent on the payroll of a well-oiled neocon machine. Trump is clearly somewhat resistant to their dictates, but he cant completely overturn every facet of a massive bureaucracy on his own. Hes at least more genuine than his oredecessors.

That’s why I supported Trump vs Hillary and why I support him vs Biden. You act as if I wrote him in, selecting Donald Trump from among an endless list of realistic choices. He ran against hired guns, Hillary and Biden. He’s the best option we have right now. It’s that simple. Even you think he’s 90% as bad as previous presidents, THATS STILL IMPROVEMENT. It’s momentum to build on. Not to pout over just because everything hasn't changed immediately.

Moreover, you seem to think politicians are ever going to just roll over and start doing what’s good for the public and not themselves. Whom are you expecting to come along and reverse everything? I hear your complaints, I DONT HEAR YOUR SOLUTIONS. Everyone has to take action, or else we’re just sitting ducks. It’s not the DNC or the GOP’s country, it’s OUR country. So WE’RE responsible for the majority of what happens. Thats a free market democracy. Citizens themselves have to be MEANINGFULLY proactive or they deserve to get rolled.

I’m constantly trying to get MEANINGFUL dialogue going, but it gets ignored on here. Hardly anyone’s smart enough to engage in real discussion. Instead the majority favors gossip about Orange Man’s “Russia connections,” his ex hookers, his peen, or the coronavirus. What do you want the govt to do for a public like that? Don’s done more than most, frankly, but even still... it’s hard to justify going too rogue when the public isnt even supporting the positive things youve done, because theyre too consimed with orange bloodlust.

I started a business based on the principles people like YOU claim to believe in... But you had no interest. Okay. So what are YOUR solutions? What are YOU doing? I hear your complaints. I dont hear YOUR solutions.

Whenever youre confronted with this, you mutter something about how everyones doing something in their own way and then disappear in a huff. Ok, great. If youre implementing your own private solutions for your own situation, what do you have to complain about?

If you want more PUBLIC policy solutions, then I suggest you make a PUBLIC move. Do something. Propose something (realistic). Nobody on ISH sees or hears anything tangible from you, how are we supposed to take your complaints seriously?

You might as well join BLM.

lol he capitulates on issues all the time and all it takes is some stroking his ego and a couple GOP senators to speak out before he changes his tone. Go educate yourself you useless bum.

[Horatio33]

The desperation from the right wingers everywhere during the last couple of weeks is funny. All of them are weak and need totally secure and strong Donald trump to make them feel good. Even though their "strongman" messed his diapers in his high security bunker and all the contents of his diapers have slid down his legs.

[falc39]

Again, the ONLY thing I said is it was a step in the right direction. He’s clearly not capitulating to establishment forces on every issue. Not on trade, not on foreign policy. On financial policy, he is. He still spurred black employment early in his term before “corona,” which is genuinely positive. Has he pushed for greater financial reform, no, and that’s a perfectly valid criticism. Where did I say all our problems are solved?? I simply believe we need more people in Washington who arent on the payroll of a well-oiled neocon machine. Trump is clearly somewhat resistant to their dictates, but he cant completely overturn every facet of a massive bureaucracy on his own. Hes at least more genuine than his oredecessors.

Almost every president has done some good things but it has to be taken in the context of the whole. I actually liked candidate Trump. I was also realistic. Going into the election, I pegged him as someone who is a slightly better alternative to Hillary with the potential of being a lot more better. But what is potential unrealized? This isn't the beginning anymore when no one knew exactly what he was going to do. We have three plus years of his actions to look at, and to me, Trump's actions as a whole is not what this nation needs to have true long term prosperity. You don't have to agree with me but I can say that I do criticize Trump with the nearly the exact criteria that I criticized presidents Obama and Bush in the past.



I’m constantly trying to get MEANINGFUL dialogue going, but it gets ignored on here. Hardly anyone’s smart enough to engage in real discussion. Instead the majority favors gossip about Orange Man’s “Russia connections,” his ex hookers, his peen, or the coronavirus. What do you want the govt to do for a public like that? Don’s done more than most, frankly, but even still... it’s hard to justify going too rogue when the public isnt even supporting the positive things youve done, because theyre too consimed with orange bloodlust.

I started a business based on the principles people like YOU claim to believe in... But you had no interest. Okay. So what are YOUR solutions? What are YOU doing? I hear your complaints. I dont hear YOUR solutions.

Ok, you can't keep going to this. Just because you started a business that people aren't interested in buying products from doesn't automatically turn you into someone who has done their worth in solutions. You post a lot but the majority of your post are vitriol in nature. For someone who passionately wants to get people to support Trump, I just don't see how your posting does that; in fact, I'm pretty sure it does the opposite.

No matter how many times I try to persuade people to get out of a tribal mindset or to introduce a point of the bigger picture, it usually is ignored. Have you ever met someone who goes through life blaming others for their situation? Do they ever improve because of that? Nope. Turns out, it's not that much different on a national level. But it doesn't matter because people still fall into the traps of blaming China, or taking the extreme of sides. Trump uses China to hide all our economic problems and you cheer. Why? Meanwhile, ISH has turned into a 24/7 practice of race baiting and extreme tribalism and you take part in it. Maybe you can enlighten me on how these things are good because I feel they lead to nothing that is productive.

[fsvr54]

The desperation from the right wingers everywhere during the last couple of weeks is funny. All of them are weak and need totally secure and strong Donald trump to make them feel good. Even though their "strongman" messed his diapers in his high security bunker and all the contents of his diapers have slid down his legs.

With a name like Horatio, I would assume you're latino. It would be a joke for you to be a liberal considering the damage communism has done to some of our countries.

[RRR3]

With a name like Horatio, I would assume you're latino. It would be a joke for you to be a liberal considering the damage communism has done to some of our countries.
Communists hate liberals wtf :roll:


Imagine conflating the two :lol

[fsvr54]

Liberals love communism

[Whoah10115]

With a name like Horatio, I would assume you're latino. It would be a joke for you to be a liberal considering the damage communism has done to some of our countries.

You watch too many good films to associate liberalism with communism. Liberalism isn't even socialism, much less communism.

Extremes are extremes. You go far enough down the pipe and you end up somewhere else.

[RRR3]

Liberals love communism
:roll: :roll: :roll:


Keep up the comedy bruh this is gold :lol

[fsvr54]

Liberal has become synonymous with the far left in the public lexicon, im not using the classic definition.

But i get your points, I am an idiot.

[RRR3]

Liberal has become synonymous with the far left in the public lexicon, im not using the classic definition.

But i get your points, I am an idiot.
People on the far left don’t want to ban guns or restrict freedom of speech :roll:
Not unless they’re authoritarian far left, which is generally the case for Communist countries.

[Patrick Chewing]

People on the far left don’t want to ban guns or restrict freedom of speech :roll:
Not unless they’re authoritarian far left, which is generally the case for Communist countries.

So there is a connection.

[RRR3]

So there is a connection.
No, liberals don’t align with authoritarian far left people at all on economic policy.

[FKAri]

Anti-establishment don't get the nomination of a major political party. Anti-establishment also do anti establishment things while in power. Trump doesn't check either of these boxes.

[Doomsday Dallas]

I mean... have Trump supporters ever thought about it?

No matter how great of a President Donald could potentially be... you should still take note of the left's complete insanity.

victory for Donald in 2020 and we will see skyscrapers on fire. I don't think it's worth it this time around.

2016 was fun... but in 2020 Trump is a legit threat to our national security. Too many cases of TDS, it's not good.

[Overdrive]

So there is a connection.

Liberals are centric libertarian and only use "left" talking points they expect personal gain from. Just like your random third wave feminist doesn't give a shit about social funds for retards. You willö rarely find working class or poor liberals. They're mostly young bourgeois people who are ashamed of their conservative upbringing, but will turn con when they reach some success in their life. True liberal leftists are pretty rare.

A real leftist wants more public intervention on issues individual citizens can't deal with. No profit at all costs economy etc.

RRR3, I'm a non "liberal" leftists. I want an open society, but IDC for PC etc. I'm more nihilistic about most points. Live and let live if you want so, but If I was in the US I'd be for stricter gun rules. Not taking them away, but obviously our system works. You can have your gun but no CC for example.

OT: Trump, unlike most politicians, was establishment before he turned politician. He is the definition of establishment. Dude was raised with a fn silverspoon.

[RRR3]

Liberals are centric libertarian and only use "left" talking points they expect personal gain from. Just like your random third wave feminist doesn't give a shit about social funds for retards. You willö rarely find working class or poor liberals. They're mostly young bourgeois people who are ashamed of their conservative upbringing, but will turn con when they reach some success in their life. True liberal leftists are pretty rare.

A real leftist wants more public intervention on issues individual citizens can't deal with. No profit at all costs economy etc.

RRR3, I'm a non "liberal" leftists. I want an open society, but IDC for PC etc. I'm more nihilistic about most points. Live and let live if you want so, but If I was in the US I'd be for stricter gun rules. Not taking them away, but obviously our system works. You can have your gun but no CC for example.

OT: Trump, unlike most politicians, was establishment before he turned politician. He is the definition of establishment. Dude was raised with a fn silverspoon.
It’s shocking they can’t understand this.

[Rocket]

Look no farther than all the fabricated bullcrap they have come up with to try to get Trump out as proof he is not establishment. They invested heavily in a Russian collusion fairy tale followed by a fabricated quid pro quo proved false when the transcript was released yet they impeached him anyway. The they "advise" him to lock down the country on the biggest overreaction in history to kill the economy with the Chinese Flu fiasco. Now that the economy is coming back as red states open back up they push a race war where it apparently okay forget all the bullshit they said was required to stop the Wuhan virus from spreading. If Trump was establishment they would not waste so much time trying to get him out. When he wins in November they will lose their minds after everything they have tried over and over continues to fail.

[SATAN]

Shogon wrong is usual. What a ****ing stupid thread.

[Overdrive]

It’s shocking they can’t understand this.

They also don't understand the first paragraphs. They're triggered by a non existing boogie man as there's no real left. Ironically some of the resident cons here agreed that there should be stricter labour laws in the US. A real leftwing talking point.

Yes, emancipation laws of any kind(race, sex, ****, whatever) are also leftist agendas, but most american rightwingers believe those are the only, the main ones, because that's more or less the only ones liberals present. I doubt you have more than 5% real leftists in the US, but Chewy would call anyone that voted Hillary a libtard. Hillary who's closer to Trump than anything remotely left. Actually from an European perspective Hillary had some more rightleaning agendas than Trump. Atleast before the election.

[diamenz]

what's the difference between 'the establishment ' and the 'big club' that we ain't in? aren't they one and the same?

[Nanners]

Almost every president has done some good things but it has to be taken in the context of the whole. I actually liked candidate Trump. I was also realistic. Going into the election, I pegged him as someone who is a slightly better alternative to Hillary with the potential of being a lot more better. But what is potential unrealized? This isn't the beginning anymore when no one knew exactly what he was going to do. We have three plus years of his actions to look at, and to me, Trump's actions as a whole is not what this nation needs to have true long term prosperity. You don't have to agree with me but I can say that I do criticize Trump with the nearly the exact criteria that I criticized presidents Obama and Bush in the past.



Ok, you can't keep going to this. Just because you started a business that people aren't interested in buying products from doesn't automatically turn you into someone who has done their worth in solutions. You post a lot but the majority of your post are vitriol in nature. For someone who passionately wants to get people to support Trump, I just don't see how your posting does that; in fact, I'm pretty sure it does the opposite.

No matter how many times I try to persuade people to get out of a tribal mindset or to introduce a point of the bigger picture, it usually is ignored. Have you ever met someone who goes through life blaming others for their situation? Do they ever improve because of that? Nope. Turns out, it's not that much different on a national level. But it doesn't matter because people still fall into the traps of blaming China, or taking the extreme of sides. Trump uses China to hide all our economic problems and you cheer. Why? Meanwhile, ISH has turned into a 24/7 practice of race baiting and extreme tribalism and you take part in it. Maybe you can enlighten me on how these things are good because I feel they lead to nothing that is productive.

:applause:

[RRR3]

They also don't understand the first paragraphs. They're triggered by a non existing boogie man as there's no real left. Ironically some of the resident cons here agreed that there should be stricter labour laws in the US. A real leftwing talking point.

Yes, emancipation laws of any kind(race, sex, ****, whatever) are also leftist agendas, but most american rightwingers believe those are the only, the main ones, because that's more or less the only ones liberals present. I doubt you have more than 5% real leftists in the US, but Chewy would call anyone that voted Hillary a libtard. Hillary who's closer to Trump than anything remotely left. Actually from an European perspective Hillary had some more rightleaning agendas than Trump. Atleast before the election.
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Cleverness]

Just from my perspective, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong

Trump sounds anti-establishment, but his actual policies... ehhh, not really

People voted for him because they wanted change from the status quo on

1. illegal immigration - we got pieces of a wall and problem not solved
2. healthcare - unaffordable care act still here, big insurance/pharma still racking in our tax dollars, and Republicans had nothing??
3. forever wars - still going on...
4. lower taxes for middle class - yeah, a tiny bit? except a lot of us in high tax states (CA, NY) are now paying MORE in taxes

5. college tuition & debt - status quo
6. marijuana/drug war - status quo
7. federal deficit/debt - status quo


latest example: 6 days ago he declared Antifa a terrorist group. Has that even officially happened yet? doesn't look like it.