Dwight Howard - "Everything Jordan did, Kobe did it better"

[Stanley Kobrick]

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[Turbo Slayer]

YES Kobe is better than Jordan. Its the consensus. ^joking^

[Bankaii]

This is why idc if you’ve played in the NBA or not. Nobody’s opinion is more “validated” than another when it comes to sports. Especially when the players generally have moronic opinions.

[Cyrus334]

"Everything Jordan did, Kobe did it worse"

FTFY.

[the mesiah]

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[Bronbron23]

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This is just flat out wrong. Mj was faster, stronger and could jump higher off both feet. He was a better defender, passer and rebounder. Scoring is the only area where kobe was may better in some areas like dribbling and maybe threes but overall mj was a better scorer too. I dont know what howard is talking about.

[dbugz]

LOL

Kobe > libron though

[Mask the Embiid]

Kobe wasnt better than Jordan at anything on the basketball court....including shooting 3's


not one ...wait maybe he could get hotter than Jordan....and thats it...

[Rysio]

Kobe wasnt better than Jordan at anything on the basketball court....including shooting 3's


not one ...wait maybe he could get hotter than Jordan....and thats it...

Lol shooting wide open 3s Vs crazy contested 3s and around the same percentages but yea Jordan was a better 3pt shooter lmao.

[dbugz]

Imagine getting beat down by this clown in the playoffs with HCA on your side.

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What an embarrassment :roll:

[tpols]

and kobe used to bully dwight too. :lol

maybe he has stockholme syndrome.

[sdot_thadon]

Dwight went overboard but there are a few aspects you could say Kobe was better and maybe a few more that are debatable. Kobe had more advanced handles, more range and was better at making tough shots. He's arguable at minimum as a scorer, perhaps also as a passer and defender if your being generous. One thing that Kobe and superstars of his era on possess that Im not sure guys had previously was the timing and psychological game of hitting spirit breaking daggers, when guy like him or Lebron would take and make a ridiculous shot to kill momentum and twist the knife even more in the opponent. Never really hear people speak on that aspect of the game.

[Bronbron23]

Dwight went overboard but there are a few aspects you could say Kobe was better and maybe a few more that are debatable. Kobe had more advanced handles, more range and was better at making tough shots. He's arguable at minimum as a scorer, perhaps also as a passer and defender if your being generous. One thing that Kobe and superstars of his era on possess that Im not sure guys had previously was the timing and psychological game of hitting spirit breaking daggers, when guy like him or Lebron would take and make a ridiculous shot to kill momentum and twist the knife even more in the opponent. Never really hear people speak on that aspect of the game.

The handles comparison is interesting because kobe definitely has more flashy handes. His crossover is probably my favorite next to Iverson. Mj had those hands though which gave him better control. Phil talked on this. So its kind of subjective i guess. Some people think flash meams better and some think control is better. I wouldn't argue anyone saying kobe though.

The tough shot one is interesting also. Personally i think mj could make tough shots as good or better than kobe its that kobe took more. This was for a few reasons. One being that mj was a more willing and better passer. Hed pass it out in situations where kobe would just take it and force a tough shot. Second is mj was a much better athlete his quickness and first step would allow him to beat defender more which allowed him to gwt easier looks. Or because defenders feared his first step so much tbat a simple jab would force them to overreact giving mj an easy pull up. Just because kobe had to take more tougher contested shots it doesn't mean he was better at them.

And yes saying kobe was the better passer and defender is definitely generous he was neither. Again, mj's quickness gave him the edge in that department. Kobe wasn't slow by any means but jordan had elite speed. They called him the black cat for a reason.

[ImKobe]

and kobe used to bully dwight too. :lol

maybe he has stockholme syndrome.

Dwight's basically a poor man's Shaq, that shit had to drive Kobe crazy but I think they got along well once they got healthy & started winning in the 2nd half of that season.

[sdot_thadon]

The handles comparison is interesting because kobe definitely has more flashy handes. His crossover is probably my favorite next to Iverson. Mj had those hands though which gave him better control. Phil talked on this. So its kind of subjective i guess. Some people think flash meams better and some think control is better. I wouldn't argue anyone saying kobe though.

The tough shot one is interesting also. Personally i think mj could make tough shots as good or better than kobe its that kobe took more. This was for a few reasons. One being that mj was a more willing and better passer. Hed pass it out in situations where kobe would just take it and force a tough shot. Second is mj was a much better athlete his quickness and first step would allow him to beat defender more which allowed him to gwt easier looks. Or because defenders feared his first step so much tbat a simple jab would force them to overreact giving mj an easy pull up. Just because kobe had to take more tougher contested shots it doesn't mean he was better at them.

And yes saying kobe was the better passer and defender is definitely generous he was neither. Again, mj's quickness gave him the edge in that department. Kobe wasn't slow by any means but jordan had elite speed. They called him the black cat for a reason.

Well my take on the handles discussion is almost the exact same as the tough shot conversation. He had fancier handles and he needed them more than Mike did. Mike had fancy handles for his time but he played the game with such economy that they weren't necessary to get to his spots, so it's a matter of necessity. In that same train of thought Mj was also better at creating the separation to shoot so he didn't have to take the type of shots Kobe did. Won't penalize Mj for being able to consistently create better looks but I also won't penalize Kobe for being able to get off make shots no matter the situation. With that said I also feel like Kobe got to a point where he did this on purpose to demoralize his matchup and could have played the game in a more Jordan like manner. I've always said I felt he was a caricature of MJ's game in the way he took certain aspects and went over the top with them.

Oh and by being generous I just meant saying those things (passing and defense) were debatable, not better.

[Bronbron23]

Well my take on the handles discussion is almost the exact same as the tough shot conversation. He had fancier handles and he needed them more than Mike did. Mike had fancy handles for his time but he played the game with such economy that they weren't necessary to get to his spots, so it's a matter of necessity. In that same train of thought Mj was also better at creating the separation to shoot so he didn't have to take the type of shots Kobe did. Won't penalize Mj for being able to consistently create better looks but I also won't penalize Kobe for being able to get off make shots no matter the situation. With that said I also feel like Kobe got to a point where he did this on purpose to demoralize his matchup and could have played the game in a more Jordan like manner. I've always said I felt he was a caricature of MJ's game in the way he took certain aspects and went over the top with them.

Oh and by being generous I just meant saying those things (passing and defense) were debatable, not better.

yeah thats fair. Tbh at the level they're at its slitting hairs either way. I personally think mj is better but ive always said i really dont know what would happen if they could have matched up against each other in their primes. Would of been a battle.

[j3lademaster]

Dwight went overboard but there are a few aspects you could say Kobe was better and maybe a few more that are debatable. Kobe had more advanced handles, more range and was better at making tough shots. He's arguable at minimum as a scorer, perhaps also as a passer and defender if your being generous. One thing that Kobe and superstars of his era on possess that Im not sure guys had previously was the timing and psychological game of hitting spirit breaking daggers, when guy like him or Lebron would take and make a ridiculous shot to kill momentum and twist the knife even more in the opponent. Never really hear people speak on that aspect of the game.agreed, Kobe def has a few skill sets better than MJ. IMO more advanced handles and range like u said, but also footwork. And that’s not a knock on MJ at all, Kobe had the goat footwork. I’d even argue he’s a more skilled dunker? It sounds silly but Kobe’s got an insane amount of posters, and while he’s still decently athletic we can all agree he’s not a first tier athlete like Jordan or Lebron.

[sdot_thadon]

yeah thats fair. Tbh at the level they're at its slitting hairs either way. I personally think mj is better but ive always said i really dont know what would happen if they could have matched up against each other in their primes. Would of been a battle.

No doubt, I would have killed to see 2nd 3peat Mj in a series agaisnt young Kobe even.

[j3lademaster]

yeah thats fair. Tbh at the level they're at its slitting hairs either way. I personally think mj is better but ive always said i really dont know what would happen if they could have matched up against each other in their primes. Would of been a battle.mj wins the majority of their matchups because he’s just better and more consistent. Kobe will drop some 50’s and 60’s on him though.

[Phoenix]

yeah thats fair. Tbh at the level they're at its slitting hairs either way. I personally think mj is better but ive always said i really dont know what would happen if they could have matched up against each other in their primes. Would of been a battle.

They'd end up one-upping each other over a series of games. Each of them would be the best shooting guard the other ever faced if their primes coincided. We can split hairs between their skillsets but the reality is, they're dropping numbers on each other.

[Bronbron23]

agreed, Kobe def has a few skill sets better than MJ. IMO more advanced handles and range like u said, but also footwork. And that’s not a knock on MJ at all, Kobe had the goat footwork. I’d even argue he’s a more skilled dunker? It sounds silly but Kobe’s got an insane amount of posters, and while he’s still decently athletic we can all agree he’s not a first tier athlete like Jordan or Lebron.

I wouldn't argue with any of this other than the footwork comment. Literally every footwork he got was from mj qnd there were still some that he didn't do that mj did. Again its splitting hairs but id say its a tie at best.

[Bronbron23]

They'd end up one-upping each other over a series of games. Each of them would be the best shooting guard the other ever faced if their primes coincided. We can split hairs between their skillsets but the reality is, they're dropping numbers on each other.

Yeah forsure. Sucks we never got to see that. Would of been insane

[Bronbron23]

No doubt, I would have killed to see 2nd 3peat Mj in a series agaisnt young Kobe even.

yeah man. I almost feel like young kobe would have had the edge just because he'd be so hungry to prove himself. There mentalities were so crazy its almost like whoever could drum up the most motivation and anger would win.

[Bronbron23]

mj wins the majority of their matchups because he’s just better and more consistent. Kobe will drop some 50’s and 60’s on him though.

yeah thats probably the most likely scenario

[Indian guy]

Further proof that most athletes are complete morons when it comes to evaluating other players.

Things I would say Kobe's better at:

Iso handles
Tough shots (jumpers)
Long-range shooting

That would be it.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Literally the only thing that Kobe did better than Jordan is fancy ballhandling moves (which is largely due to era rather than innate ability) and 3-point shooting. SOme might say footwork, but I'd say that's either a wash or an edge to MJ both because he literally invented/redefined the modern footwork repertoire for wings in the triple-threat and in the post, and because new footwork seemed to spring from him instinctively - he didn't practice these specific moves for hours like Kobe did. Jordan was simply the more naturally creative player, both footwork wise and in general. Literally ALL other areas I give to Jordan:

Rebounding - significant edge Jordan
Passing/vision - edge MJ
Post play - edge MJ
Off-ball game - significant edge MJ
Overall shooting - edge MJ (Kobe better from deep, Jordan murders Kobe from 22 feet and in)
Overall scoring - large edge MJ over the course of a season/postseason (for a single game or stretch of games Kobe could compete with anyone scoring-wise, however)
On-ball defense - edge to MJ both in terms of ability and especially consistency
Off-ball defense - LARGE edge Jordan in terms of help/team defense.
Mentality - edge Jordan, though of course Kobe is right there.

[OldSchoolBBall]

They'd end up one-upping each other over a series of games. Each of them would be the best shooting guard the other ever faced if their primes coincided. We can split hairs between their skillsets but the reality is, they're dropping numbers on each other.

If they played, say, a 6-game playoff series against each other, knowing Jordan's mentality, this is how I see their numbers roughly:

Jordan: 32-34 pts/7 reb/6+ as/2 stl/1 blk/48-50% FG/58-60% TS
Kobe: 27-30 pts/6 reb/5 ast/1+ stl/.5 blk/43-46% FG/52-54% TS

Kobe doesn't get blown out of the building, but the difference would be clear.

[Axe]

Yet, superman despised playing with the black mamba when they were teammates during the 2012-13 season.

[Whoah10115]

Kobe is a better tough shot maker when talking about crazy jumpsuits, or pulling up when driving. As far as finishing at the rim, in traffic, Jordan was better. Kobe didn't exaggerate the Jordan moves, whereas someone like Wade embedded it in his game seamlessly.

Jordan is a better athlete than Kobe because he's a better athlete than them all. But Kobe wasn't decent, he was elite.

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Howard must think MJ sucks.

Wonder if the Charlotte stint has anything to do with it.

[Round Mound]

Further proof that most athletes are complete morons when it comes to evaluating other players.

Things I would say Kobe's better at:

Iso handles
Tough shots (jumpers)
Long-range shooting

That would be it.

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