Anyone know how to short real estate in Minneapolis? LMAOOOOOO

[Shogon]

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/city-council-announces-intention-to-disband-minneapolis-police-department

The madmen did it.

Is this even legal? I mean, lol... and assuming it does happen, how long will it last?

Haaaaaaaahahahahahaha.

[highwhey]

wait, they actually did it? i thought it was a parlor trick. :roll:

[BigKobeFan]

Man this cant get any better from these psychos

[ELITEpower23]

Wtf

[sd3035]

better to invest in good neighborhoods because there will be private security everywhere, and properties will be in demand


Swoop in and scoop up property worth nothing in the failed neighborhoods just before they establish a police force again

[warriorfan]

Good luck to anyone who isn’t a male of fighting age. :lol

Going to see a lot more Arbery style incidents as well.

[Stanley Kobrick]

they should hodl off on disbanning the police department

[FKAri]

It doesn't mean what you think it means so you can calm down. And it won't be the only city in the country to have recently done this.

[MMM]

Didn't they disband the police in Camden a few years back with positive results to show

[Patrick Chewing]

"We don't have all the answers for what that future looks like but the community does," said Ward 5 councilor Jeremiah Ellison.


:oldlol:


What we're witnessing here is the beginning stages of two Americas. We are so far split on the political spectrum that there is no coming back I'm afraid. We will have Red States and we will have Blue States. But it will be two different countries. I have a feeling that's where we're headed.

[Patrick Chewing]

they should hodl off on disbanning the police department


Nope. This is what the mob wanted and the mob rules.

[Cleverness]

:oldlol:


What we're witnessing here is the beginning stages of two Americas. We are so far split on the political spectrum that there is no coming back I'm afraid. We will have Red States and we will have Blue States. But it will be two different countries. I have a feeling that's where we're headed.

Montana and New York are practically two different countries already.

[Cleverness]

Didn't they disband the police in Camden a few years back with positive results to show

Not really...?

It looks like all they did was let the metro division take over and increased their number of police officers. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2193971/Camden-police-disbanded-270-officers-fired-amid-budget-crunch.html


The architects of the plan say they'll be able to put 400 police officers on the streets of Camden -- a dramatic improvement over the 270 who currently work the city, the Camden Courier Post reports.

[Patrick Chewing]

Montana and New York are practically two different countries already.

I almost want this to go through though. Two separate Constitutions and Bill of Rights. Red States can keep the current Constitution and actually amend it to be less invasive, and the Blue States can create their Progressive 1984-Like Utopian Constitution with the strictest laws possible.

[MMM]

Not really...?

It looks like all they did was let the metro division take over and increased their number of police officers. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2193971/Camden-police-disbanded-270-officers-fired-amid-budget-crunch.html

I see Minny doing something similar, so maybe it shouldn't be labelled as disbanding.

[Meticode]

Funny to see that over half of the people posting don't even know what that actually means. Just mostly assumptions.

[warriorfan]

I almost want this to go through though. Two separate Constitutions and Bill of Rights. Red States can keep the current Constitution and actually amend it to be less invasive, and the Blue States can create their Progressive 1984-Like Utopian Constitution with the strictest laws possible.

One side of town will be like 1984 the other side will be like escape from New York and the 1% will be away from it all, living normal lives.

[Cleverness]

I almost want this to go through though. Two separate Constitutions and Bill of Rights. Red States can keep the current Constitution and actually amend it to be less invasive, and the Blue States can create their Progressive 1984-Like Utopian Constitution with the strictest laws possible.

Yeah. If Minneapolis wants to do it, fine by me, just don't ask me to be involved in the experiment.

Thank you federalism :cheers:

[Cleverness]

Funny to see that over half of the people posting don't even know what that actually means. Just mostly assumptions.

The city council doesn't even know what it means, but please, enlighten us :D

[Raymone]

This should be a fun little experiment.

[Long Duck Dong]

Police maintained a presence but took a hands off approach in Baltimore following Freddie Gray protests in 2015.


Year Homicides (City, Number)
2001 256 38.7 5.6
2002 253 37.7 5.6
2003 270 41.9 5.7
2004 276 43.5 5.5
2005 269 42 5.7
2006 276 43.3 5.8
2007 282 45.2 5.7
2008 234 36.9 5.4
2009 238 37.3 5.0
2010 223 34.8 4.8
2011 196 31.1 4.7
2012 218 34.9 4.7
2013 233 37.4 4.5
2014 211 33.8 4.9
*2015 344 55.4 5.1
2016 318 51.4 5.3
2017 343 57.8 5.7
2018 309 50.5 5.7

*police begin taking a "passive approach"


Notice anything out of the ordinary?

Should be interesting to see what happens in Minneapolis

[JohnnySic]

Every decent person in Minneapolis right now:

https://media.giphy.com/media/cOhtCdCIugDWtGitYK/giphy.gif

[JohnnySic]

And everyone outside Minneapolis:

https://media.giphy.com/media/FmvIoLHf5njA4/giphy.gif

[ItsMillerTime]

It doesn't mean what you think it means so you can calm down. And it won't be the only city in the country to have recently done this.

This is correct. However, people on here won't read into why this is needed or what this even means. They'll just knee-jerk react and cry the sky is falling. Snowflakes I tell ya.

And before you give me the WeLl WhO yOu GoNNa CaLl wHeN rObBeRs shit, there will still be public safety officers. Minneapolis will not be lawless, you dumbfvcks.

[JohnnySic]

And before you give me the WeLl WhO yOu GoNNa CaLl wHeN rObBeRs shit, there will still be public safety officers. Minneapolis will not be lawless, you dumbfvcks.

YESSIR!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ8No1PXgAERFyn.jpg

[ItsMillerTime]

YESSIR!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ8No1PXgAERFyn.jpg

You seriously think that's what it will turn into?

[ArbitraryWater]

This is an illness.

Liberalism and BLM is a disease.

[ItsMillerTime]

This is an illness.

Liberalism and BLM is a disease.

You're out of your depth here, honestly. You've been radicalized by far-right trolls on a basketball forum lol. Let the adults talk son.

[Kblaze8855]

It’s pretty clear it will be a destroy and rebuild situation but....how would it not be legal? I don’t believe there is any requirement for police in the constitution. America was like 100 before there were what we would consider local cops in some places. Plenty of crimes have so much overlap in jurisdiction the major things would still get worked. The FBI, DEA, and a gang of other departments people are barely even aware of. I’d imagine this would impact things like domestic situations, traffic issues(ones the state troopers don’t handle), and general patrolling. The fire department and emts show up to most accidents.

Ive not been in a situation I’d have wanted a cop around for in 20 plus years. I’ve not had what I’d call a positive encounter with a cop in my entire life if we’re talking a cop on duty doing cop things.

Closest I came was a domestic issue where they essentially told my mom they couldn’t help and suggested she buy a gun and learn to use it. In my life police are there to provide the abstract security of knowing there is law and order but not so much for any specific personal interaction. I’ve been robbed at gunpoint and didn’t call the police. House broken into. Didn’t call the police. Shot at as part of a group. Same deal.

As a rule....I don’t think black people cal the cops. Old ones perhaps.

I would like to see what happens without them. How many people are thinking of raping some woman but don’t do it because cops exist? I’d imagine most people don’t rape and murder because they aren’t rapists and murderers. What would you say stops Most kids from being molested? Police or the fact that most people just aren’t going to do such a terrible thing?

Theft would be the biggest problem I’d imagine. People don’t steal because they don’t wanna get caught. Minus repercussions? A lot more people would do it I’m sure.

Id like to find out but I don’t think this will last long.

[JohnnySic]

You seriously think that's what it will turn into?

Yes, basically. For one thing, you're ignoring the human element. There are a lot of dumb fukcs out there. The very notion that the police is being "disbanded" is going to encourage more crime and lawlessness. Look at the rioting as an example.

[ArbitraryWater]

You're out of your depth here, honestly. You've been radicalized by far-right trolls on a basketball forum lol. Let the adults talk son.

Yikes.

You're standing for this huh?

Lmao.

Time for the men in white coats to come get ya

[Shogon]

It’s pretty clear it will be a destroy and rebuild situation but....how would it not be legal? I don’t believe there is any requirement for police in the constitution. America was like 100 before there were what we would consider local cops in some places. Plenty of crimes have so much overlap in jurisdiction the major things would still get worked. The FBI, DEA, and a gang of other departments people are barely even aware of. I’d imagine this would impact things like domestic situations, traffic issues(ones the state troopers don’t handle), and general patrolling. The fire department and emts show up to most accidents.

Ive not been in a situation I’d have wanted a cop around for in 20 plus years. I’ve not had what I’d call a positive encounter with a cop in my entire life if we’re talking a cop on duty doing cop things.

Closest I came was a domestic issue where they essentially told my mom they couldn’t help and suggested she buy a gun and learn to use it. In my life police are there to provide the abstract security of knowing there is law and order but not so much for any specific personal interaction. I’ve been robbed at gunpoint and didn’t call the police. House broken into. Didn’t call the police. Shot at as part of a group. Same deal.

As a rule....I don’t think black people cal the cops. Old ones perhaps.

I would like to see what happens without them. How many people are thinking of raping some woman but don’t do it because cops exist? I’d imagine most people don’t rape and murder because they aren’t rapists and murderers. What would you say stops Most kids from being molested? Police or the fact that most people just aren’t going to do such a terrible thing?

Theft would be the biggest problem I’d imagine. People don’t steal because they don’t wanna get caught. Minus repercussions? A lot more people would do it I’m sure.

Id like to find out but I don’t think this will last long.

Yeah of course if there are murders the FBI will step in... only in certain murders btw, lol... some will just be like... oh well, that person is in a dumpster now... gg... but there's no way there will be as much follow up because the FBI doesn't have those kind of resources nor do they care. And if this becomes a trend across multiple cities? What do you think will happen? Most cases will be straight up ignored. Hell, local cops are bad enough at follow up but at least they present the illusion of you better not or else...

I haven't had particularly positive experiences with police... they basically don't do anything... I had a guy threaten to burn my place of business down... they show up and they're like... "lol well they blocked the caller ID so we can't help you" despite the fact that I know for a fact that they can subpoena the phone records and get them... there are a lot of lazy worthless cops... I am well aware... again... they still present the illusion of control. I know that they're mostly clean up duty but I wouldn't say that the extreme vast majority of people do... the control... the illusion.

Just because you, kblaze, have an IQ in the triple digits and don't ever need/want cops around doesn't mean that's the average representation of people.

My guess is that the sheriffs will end up getting a funding boost and step in with a stronger presence... assuming that MPLS doesn't just reverse course quickly thereafter.

[tpols]

I hope they take cops down where im at too... all they do is rove around like predators looking to bust people for petty possesion and traffic things.

[Patrick Chewing]

This is correct. However, people on here won't read into why this is needed or what this even means. They'll just knee-jerk react and cry the sky is falling. Snowflakes I tell ya.

And before you give me the WeLl WhO yOu GoNNa CaLl wHeN rObBeRs shit, there will still be public safety officers. Minneapolis will not be lawless, you dumbfvcks.


And what is a public safety officer?? :oldlol:


Are you signing up? Are you getting flashbacks of your hall monitor days in Elementary school??

[JohnnySic]

Yeah, I'm sure those "public safety officers" are gonna risk their lives to protect you when you get bumrushed and mugged. :oldlol: They'll show up at 3 am when your house is broken into.

[ThatCoolKid]

Didn't they disband the police in Camden a few years back with positive results to show

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/protests/stopping-systemic-racism-in-police-departments-protests/65-c8f377a4-c2d4-4659-86e0-3fd13ec3dbc2

They laid off all of their police officers in 2012 and then brought people back and had a whole new implicit bias training program and would have officers go around the community door to door introducing themselves to citizens. They also redid the department's use of force policy.

"In less than 10 years the department went from more than 60 excessive force complaints down to just three. This decrease in complaints has helped in other areas.

“We’ve dropped crime to a record low. A 40 percent low. It’s the lowest itÂ’s been in 50 years.”

Capt. James believes that the basis of their department, protecting the “sanctity of life first” is a great starting point for any police force."

There is research supporting that changing a department's use of force policy and putting in more restrictions on when and how police can use violence really does reduce civilian deaths:

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/56996151cbced68b170389f4/1474393925605-MEL49O7EIE54AWGG3CNO/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kLYKV1RillWUlHcQrne7gUl7gQa3H7 8H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLf rh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UW IsuiRUvFZupub6xvL5Czg-puzj9SXwB_tjQRHUrAcoJvwGh1qtNWvMhYKnvaKhbA/policydifferential.png?format=500w

These 8 items were identified in research that can be read here: http://useofforceproject.org/#analysis
Bascially departments that had more of these 8 policies had lower rates of civilian homicide. The research concludes:
"Police departments with four or more of these restrictive use of force policies had the fewest killings per population and per arrest. After taking into account other factors, each additional use of force policy was associated with a 15% reduction in killings by police. According to our analysis, the average police department would have 54% fewer killings and a police department with none of these policies currently in place would have 72% fewer killings by implementing all eight of these policies."

You may think that police using less force would put them in danger or that more crime would occur. But, in fact, departments with more restrictive use of force policies actually had fewer officer deaths as well and similar crime rates to more liberal departments.

Of course - this is all observational data. But it is very promising. As for why these use of force policies are so effective? I'm not a cop - but I imagine that cops are very protocol driven people. This tends to be the case in very regimented environments. So by transforming the policies that cops use to govern their own actions - I could imagine this could really change the way they think and approach different situations.

So couple all this with what the officers from Camden say in the aforementioned article where they retrained their department and redid their policies and I think that every police department should use Camden as a gold standard and should begin adopting their policies immediately.

So only keep cops willing to go through implicit bias training, introduce them to the community, and then establish national guidelines for use of force policies.

[ThatCoolKid]

And what is a public safety officer?? :oldlol:


Are you signing up? Are you getting flashbacks of your hall monitor days in Elementary school??

Most police in the UK and European countries do not carry guns. Those countries have tremendously lower rates of cops killing civilians - and people still sign up to be cops there.

In fact in Britain, 82 percent of police do not want to be armed.
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/02/18/5-countries-where-police-officers-do-not-carry-firearms-and-it-works-well/

People in America think the police need to be this militant body and that hell will break loose if people don't have the threat of state bringing in military level violence - but that's not the way it works in other first world countries. Perhaps you need to rethink your assumptions on policing.

[Patrick Chewing]

Most police in the UK and European countries do not carry guns. Those countries have tremendously lower rates of cops killing civilians - and people still sign up to be cops there.

In fact in Britain, 82 percent of police do not want to be armed.
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/02/18/5-countries-where-police-officers-do-not-carry-firearms-and-it-works-well/

People in America think the police need to be this militant body and that hell will break loose if people don't have the threat of state bringing in military level violence - but that's not the way it works in other first world countries. Perhaps you need to rethink your assumptions on policing.

:facepalm


Do you perhaps think that the reason the police in the UK don't carry guns is because the citizens aren't allowed to carry guns themselves??

Duh.

[LostCause]

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/protests/stopping-systemic-racism-in-police-departments-protests/65-c8f377a4-c2d4-4659-86e0-3fd13ec3dbc2

They laid off all of their police officers in 2012 and then brought people back and had a whole new implicit bias training program and would have officers go around the community door to door introducing themselves to citizens. They also redid the department's use of force policy.

"In less than 10 years the department went from more than 60 excessive force complaints down to just three. This decrease in complaints has helped in other areas.

“We’ve dropped crime to a record low. A 40 percent low. It’s the lowest itÂ’s been in 50 years.”

Capt. James believes that the basis of their department, protecting the “sanctity of life first” is a great starting point for any police force."

There is research supporting that changing a department's use of force policy and putting in more restrictions on when and how police can use violence really does reduce civilian deaths:

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/56996151cbced68b170389f4/1474393925605-MEL49O7EIE54AWGG3CNO/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kLYKV1RillWUlHcQrne7gUl7gQa3H7 8H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLf rh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UW IsuiRUvFZupub6xvL5Czg-puzj9SXwB_tjQRHUrAcoJvwGh1qtNWvMhYKnvaKhbA/policydifferential.png?format=500w

These 8 items were identified in research that can be read here: http://useofforceproject.org/#analysis
Bascially departments that had more of these 8 policies had lower rates of civilian homicide. The research concludes:
"Police departments with four or more of these restrictive use of force policies had the fewest killings per population and per arrest. After taking into account other factors, each additional use of force policy was associated with a 15% reduction in killings by police. According to our analysis, the average police department would have 54% fewer killings and a police department with none of these policies currently in place would have 72% fewer killings by implementing all eight of these policies."

You may think that police using less force would put them in danger or that more crime would occur. But, in fact, departments with more restrictive use of force policies actually had fewer officer deaths as well and similar crime rates to more liberal departments.

Of course - this is all observational data. But it is very promising. As for why these use of force policies are so effective? I'm not a cop - but I imagine that cops are very protocol driven people. This tends to be the case in very regimented environments. So by transforming the policies that cops use to govern their own actions - I could imagine this could really change the way they think and approach different situations.

So couple all this with what the officers from Camden say in the aforementioned article where they retrained their department and redid their policies and I think that every police department should use Camden as a gold standard and should begin adopting their policies immediately.

Which is interesting because Camden used to be the murder capital of the country for a while.
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/01/what-happened-to-crime-in-camden/549542/

[ThatCoolKid]

:facepalm


Do you perhaps think that the reason the police in the UK don't carry guns is because the citizens aren't allowed to carry guns themselves??

Duh.

Oh so you're saying that we should get rid of the 2nd amendment? Hmmmm maybe we can compromise and do massive gun buy back programs like they did in Australia :cheers: Bipartisanship in action

[ThatCoolKid]

Which is interesting because Camden used to be the murder capital of the country for a while.
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/01/what-happened-to-crime-in-camden/549542/

Yeah, it's a huge case that less force and more community engagement is a better way to police. Of course, there are other factors that contribute to crime rates falling other than policing - but it is truly a promising story.

[Patrick Chewing]

Oh so you're saying that we should get rid of the 2nd amendment? Hmmmm maybe we can compromise and do massive gun buy back programs like they did in Australia :cheers: Bipartisanship in action

You're not making any sense and backpedaling now. You thought you knew what you were talking about trying to compare other countries to us, like most ignoramuses do, and yet here I am to set you straight.

[999Guy]

Genius. Testing is one of the best parts of the 50 states. Test that shit out Minny.

Few months ago I was thinking Police shouldn’t even be a thing. They are dumb meathead blunt objects, trying to do a scalpel or a stethoscopes job.

Send different SPECIALISTS, to do certain jobs to aid civilians.

Trial and error will come. But this is much more logical.

Other cities and states with first world politicians will adopt different forms of this eventually.

[diamenz]

what happens when the minneapolis "safety patrol" becomes corrupt? because it's only a matter of time before they do. is that when we bring back the police?

[ThatCoolKid]

You're not making any sense and backpedaling now. You thought you knew what you were talking about trying to compare other countries to us, like most ignoramuses do, and yet here I am to set you straight.

Sorry you can't read I guess :confusedshrug:

But if you want cops to be safer then reduce the number of civilian guns - we have 46% of civilian owned guns in our country. But this is a separate issue.

I'm here dropping info and knowledge - you keep up your vapid, braindead troll game though, it suits you champ :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

Sorry you can't read I guess :confusedshrug:

But if you want cops to be safer then reduce the number of civilian guns - we have 46% of civilian owned guns in our country. But this is a separate issue.

I'm here dropping info and knowledge - you keep up your vapid, braindead troll game though, it suits you champ :lol

Once again, not making any sense. You tried to compare the Police in the UK and how they don't carry guns, and I schooled you and explained that the reason the UK doesn't carry guns, is because the country has harsh gun laws. So the comparison is idiotic and your point....debunked.

If Americans are free to carry guns and purchase as many guns as they want, then it is only logical that the police are armed for their protection and for the protection of innocent civilians.

Just give it up man. You're like every other poster on here when it comes to guns. Completely clueless.

[Long Duck Dong]

They laid off all of their police officers in 2012 and then brought people back and had a whole new implicit bias training program and would have officers go around the community door to door introducing themselves to citizens. They also redid the department's use of force policy.

"In less than 10 years the department went from more than 60 excessive force complaints down to just three. This decrease in complaints has helped in other areas.



Capt. James believes that the basis of their department, protecting the “sanctity of life first” is a great starting point for any police force."

There is research supporting that changing a department's use of force policy and putting in more restrictions on when and how police can use violence really does reduce civilian deaths:

These 8 items were identified in research that can be read here: http://useofforceproject.org/#analysis
Bascially departments that had more of these 8 policies had lower rates of civilian homicide. The research concludes:
"Police departments with four or more of these restrictive use of force policies had the fewest killings per population and per arrest. After taking into account other factors, each additional use of force policy was associated with a 15% reduction in killings by police. According to our analysis, the average police department would have 54% fewer killings and a police department with none of these policies currently in place would have 72% fewer killings by implementing all eight of these policies."

You may think that police using less force would put them in danger or that more crime would occur. But, in fact, departments with more restrictive use of force policies actually had fewer officer deaths as well and similar crime rates to more liberal departments.

Of course - this is all observational data. But it is very promising. As for why these use of force policies are so effective? I'm not a cop - but I imagine that cops are very protocol driven people. This tends to be the case in very regimented environments. So by transforming the policies that cops use to govern their own actions - I could imagine this could really change the way they think and approach different situations.

So couple all this with what the officers from Camden say in the aforementioned article where they retrained their department and redid their policies and I think that every police department should use Camden as a gold standard and should begin adopting their policies immediately.

So only keep cops willing to go through implicit bias training, introduce them to the community, and then establish national guidelines for use of force policies.

I'm not seeing this anywhere in the article or your post


In the immediate, the shift meant the hiring of more officers, and thus a heavier presence in local neighborhoods. That year the force went from 268 officers to 418.




That is an insane amount of officers for 73,000 people. The city I live closest to has almost the same amount of people as Camden but only 114 officers.

[ArbitraryWater]

Sorry you can't read I guess :confusedshrug:

But if you want cops to be safer then reduce the number of civilian guns - we have 46% of civilian owned guns in our country. But this is a separate issue.

I'm here dropping info and knowledge - you keep up your vapid, braindead troll game though, it suits you champ :lol

You tried to compare it to different countries which is comparing apples to oranges

also a lot of countries, in fact most, obviously still have police with guns whie citizens cannot have them.

[Kblaze8855]

I haven't had particularly positive experiences with police... they basically don't do anything... I had a guy threaten to burn my place of business down... they show up and they're like... "lol well they blocked the caller ID so we can't help you" despite the fact that I know for a fact that they can subpoena the phone records and get them... there are a lot of lazy worthless cops... I am well aware... again... they still present the illusion of control. I know that they're mostly clean up duty but I wouldn't say that the extreme vast majority of people do... the control... the illusion.

Just because you, kblaze, have an IQ in the triple digits and don't ever need/want cops around doesn't mean that's the average representation of people.

My guess is that the sheriffs will end up getting a funding boost and step in with a stronger presence... assuming that MPLS doesn't just reverse course quickly thereafter.



One similarity we share is thinking things through possibly to our detriment because people lose interest and wander off.

Right now I’m coming down on a “Cut the budget of everything” side to see what’s really required...and I’ll tell you why.

I have no idea what the police in question are tasked with. You think about it....


On top of the fbi, dea, ice, homeland security, atf, Marshall’s, coast guard, treasury(most of what the secret service does) and lesser known shit like the cops who have jurisdiction on federal land....


You still have 2-3 versions of the police in places. When I was in Austin they had city police, county police, constables, Texas rangers, and state troopers....along with no doubt having local offices of most of those federal agencies.

So if someone just said they are gonna defund the “cops” exactly what responsibility wouldn’t be covered by losing just one of those?

Im in South Carolina and we have 4 forms of police off the top of my head.

How many have to go before nobody shows up to a robbery attempt?


If you’re dumb enough to shoot any of these groups don’t all of them come after you? You see police chases with 3 kinda cars after a guy.

You get stories on agencies so out of touch undercover cops get arrested buying from undercover drug dealers.


Im not sure why we can’t have the FBI absorb like 5 of the others and have cops work out of central locations like the fire department and just go where they are called. I’m not sure their presence in neighborhoods reduce crime in crime prone places. I don’t need 5 versions of cops wasting time in speed traps sucking fines out of the public.

I know you gotta keep drivers in some kinda control but they obviously want those millions of dollars more than for people to drive 55....because they don’t drive slow themselves.

Too much policing is political and money based. We will never get true community level policing but it’s not a bad start to remove some clutter and downsize. Give me the local or better yet federal budget and we start shaving millions off quick. Why the **** do I need 6 agencies and 4 local versions after a single drug dealer? Post two cops every few miles in comfortable armored booths from which they can emerge for local issues.

I don’t know how much less safe it would be. But I’d be willing to find out in isolated situations. We don’t need 4 colored cars on the scene anywhere do we?

[Ben Simmons 25]

One similarity we share is thinking things through possibly to our detriment because people lose interest and wander off.

Right now I’m coming down on a “Cut the budget of everything” side to see what’s really required...and I’ll tell you why.

I have no idea what the police in question are tasked with. You think about it....


On top of the fbi, dea, ice, homeland security, atf, Marshall’s, coast guard, treasury(most of what the secret service does) and lesser known shit like the cops who have jurisdiction on federal land....


You still have 2-3 versions of the police in places. When I was in Austin they had city police, county police, constables, Texas rangers, and state troopers....along with no doubt having local offices of most of those federal agencies.

So if someone just said they are gonna defund the “cops” exactly what responsibility wouldn’t be covered by losing just one of those?

Im in South Carolina and we have 4 forms of police off the top of my head.

How many have to go before nobody shows up to a robbery attempt?


If you’re dumb enough to shoot any of these groups don’t all of them come after you? You see police chases with 3 kinda cars after a guy.

You get stories on agencies so out of touch undercover cops get arrested buying from undercover drug dealers.


Im not sure why we can’t have the FBI absorb like 5 of the others and have cops work out of central locations like the fire department and just go where they are called. I’m not sure their presence in neighborhoods reduce crime in crime prone places. I don’t need 5 versions of cops wasting time in speed traps sucking fines out of the public.

I know you gotta keep drivers in some kinda control but they obviously want those millions of dollars more than for people to drive 55....because they don’t drive slow themselves.

Too much policing is political and money based. We will never get true community level policing but it’s not a bad start to remove some clutter and downsize. Give me the local or better yet federal budget and we start shaving millions off quick. Why the **** do I need 6 agencies and 4 local versions after a single drug dealer? Post two cops every few miles in comfortable armored booths from which they can emerge for local issues.

I don’t know how much less safe it would be. But I’d be willing to find out in isolated situations. We don’t need 4 colored cars on the scene anywhere do we?

My other account got banned for 24 hours but anyways... yeah, I agree with all of this... I agree the amount of various agencies exist because of politics and it's ultimately big time unnecessary spending. We do have a ton of police overlap and I am in favor of drastically slashing the budget and seeing what's needed. But the idea that we don't need some sort of police force other than at a federal level is what I disagree with I guess, which is seemingly the sentiment coming out of the MPLS city council.

Like I said, the sheriffs still exist and they exist outside of the city council's realm of power... so... probably just an increased size in sheriff's department is where this will go. I don't know.

[warriorfan]

Around here it’s highway patrol, big cities have their own city force, sheriffs usually work with prisoner transport and in the courthouses, sheriffs will also take care of smaller surrounding cities in the county which are not big enough to warrant their own police force.

[Kblaze8855]

Yea...add sheriffs to the list. Whatever we wanna call them....law enforcement will be around. There are 1,000 or so federal agents in the forest service police. Cut that....give 20 feds to each of America’s 50 largest cities to do nothing but local house calls and wellness checks.

How many agencies could you dissolve to provide funding for local specific duty policing?

Can we even ask or do we run into people saying you’re soft on crime at election time?

Less cops doesn’t have to mean less justice. It would just take a total restructuring. Which will never happen.

[Kblaze8855]

A couple thousand people are us federal reserve police who:



Federal Reserve officers respond to police, fire and medical incidents in and adjacent to their assigned facilities to protect life, render aid or assist other law enforcement. Each Federal Reserve office operates a 24/7 emergency communications (command) center. Federal Reserve officers are authorized to conduct investigations involving Federal Reserve regulations, but assist with local, state and federal investigations into criminal matters that affect the Federal Reserve. Some Federal Reserve districts employ sworn officer intelligence analysts while others utilize non-sworn civilians.




Doesnt that sound an awful lot like someone the FBI or local security could handle?


Why can’t we put those 2000 people in communities to specialize in say....rape cases or armed robbery follow up?


It’s at least ok to talk about isn’t it? A redistribution? Scaling back some places? There’s a federal agency with agents that have jurisdiction only on Indian reservations because of sovereignty issues. No other way to work that out and get those “cops” chasing down home invaders or something?

[JohnnySic]

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/with-threat-of-minneapolis-police-being-disbanded-anoka-county-sheriff-says-many-agencies-dont-want-to-go-back-to-the-city-and-restore-order

[Patrick Chewing]

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/with-threat-of-minneapolis-police-being-disbanded-anoka-county-sheriff-says-many-agencies-dont-want-to-go-back-to-the-city-and-restore-order

:lol


These people are idiots. If they want to disband their police force, then they should also reject the assistance of outside agencies as well. Otherwise, what's the difference? Police are still patroling those streets then. Let city council come up with their own law and order. Let's see what they come up with. Can't wait to watch a documentary of this monumental failure on Netflix one day.

[Hawker]

A couple thousand people are us federal reserve police who:







Doesnt that sound an awful lot like someone the FBI or local security could handle?


Why can’t we put those 2000 people in communities to specialize in say....rape cases or armed robbery follow up?


It’s at least ok to talk about isn’t it? A redistribution? Scaling back some places? There’s a federal agency with agents that have jurisdiction only on Indian reservations because of sovereignty issues. No other way to work that out and get those “cops” chasing down home invaders or something?

I'm open to talking about it. When you mentioned Texas and all the different police that really got me thinking. So true.

Nobody knows the legal differences between them all.

Not sure how the federal policing will work since there are different laws per country, town and state.

[JohnnySic]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-council-president-ducks-question-over-how-defund-police-push-would-affect-crime-victims

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/76/90/e0/7690e0a4e82b9a629e4faabb976beaf7.gif

[Cleverness]

I'm not seeing this anywhere in the article or your post




That is an insane amount of officers for 73,000 people. The city I live closest to has almost the same amount of people as Camden but only 114 officers.

lol yeah

Camden increased their police force from 268 officers to 418 and had good results.

I wonder.. was it the 30 minute computer training they did on "How to be friendly in the neighborhood" or the fact they increased their police force from 268 to 418. :lol

[Cleverness]

My guess is there will be no "defund the police"

It will be "reform the police" into woke sjw police... and if they don't comply... obviously racist and need discipline

Just wait until we get affirmative action laws for # prisoners. :pimp:

[Hawker]

My guess is there will be no "defund the police"

It will be "reform the police" into woke sjw police... and if they don't comply... obviously racist and need discipline

Just wait until we get affirmative action laws for # prisoners. :pimp:

They'll protect us with their social science degrees.

Might be a good time to open up a business there and start paying below minimum wage.

[JohnnySic]

Bump!

Per my "jokes" earlier in this thread:
https://davidharrisjr.com/steven/minnesota-state-rep-warns-antifa-and-muslim-groups-plan-to-police-minneapolis-under-muslim-rule/

[Patrick Chewing]

Bump!

Per my "jokes" earlier in this thread:
https://davidharrisjr.com/steven/minnesota-state-rep-warns-antifa-and-muslim-groups-plan-to-police-minneapolis-under-muslim-rule/

Insanity :oldlol:


How anyone can vote Democrat after these riots and protests is beyond me. You may not like Republicans, but Democrats are literally finding ways to kill you.

[Jasper]

mn had to do something , so they came up with a disbandment .
All it is , is renaming the police department , but it will business as usual , with a better out look of how to interact with the public.

[Cleverness]

Minneapolis to consider bringing in outside police officers amid shortage (https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-to-consider-bringing-in-outside-police-officers-amid-shortage/573021751/)


Mayor Jacob Frey supports the arrangement, according to his office.

The proposal will come before the council’s Policy & Government Oversight Committee on Tuesday. If it passes there, it will likely come up for a final council vote on Friday and then to the mayor for approval.

The proposal comes about five months after a majority of council members promised to work toward “ending” the Police Department following George Floyd’s death.

The city has struggled to combat a wave of violent crime, recording 74 homicides so far this year.

At the same time, an abnormally large number of officer departures following Floyd’s death and the subsequent unrest has strained the department’s resources. Some officers have filed PTSD claims.

Murders up double the pace of 2019
(https://wedgelive.com/2020/09/where-is-violent-crime-on-the-rise-in-minneapolis.html)
Violent crime has surged to record highs across Minneapolis (https://www.startribune.com/analysis-poorer-mpls-areas-bear-the-brunt-of-rising-violence/572466101/)

yikes

Still wanna #DefundThePolice ?

https://stmedia.stimg.co/1591662390_08++1011117576+17FLOYD060720.jpg

[rawimpact]

I'd wonder what would happen if that protests wondered off to Minnesota's Somalian refugee sanctuary where they want Sharia's law

[Shogon]

Minneapolis to consider bringing in outside police officers amid shortage (https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-to-consider-bringing-in-outside-police-officers-amid-shortage/573021751/)



Murders up double the pace of 2019
(https://wedgelive.com/2020/09/where-is-violent-crime-on-the-rise-in-minneapolis.html)
Violent crime has surged to record highs across Minneapolis (https://www.startribune.com/analysis-poorer-mpls-areas-bear-the-brunt-of-rising-violence/572466101/)

yikes

Still wanna #DefundThePolice ?

https://stmedia.stimg.co/1591662390_08++1011117576+17FLOYD060720.jpg

Murders up double?!?! Violent crime has surged?!? Who would have ever foreseen that?!!

Well I mean **** it, who cares right? There hasn't been a George Floyd repeat, so clearly it worked.

[Cleverness]

Murders up double?!?! Violent crime has surged?!? Who would have ever foreseen that?!!

Well I mean **** it, who cares right? There hasn't been a George Floyd repeat, so clearly it worked.

Had a pro-war, Biden-loving college kid tell me the patriot act & wars in the middle east have been a success (and need to continue) because "we haven't had another 9/11." :lol

[Shogon]

Had a pro-war, Biden-loving college kid tell me the patriot act & wars in the middle east have been a success (and need to continue) because "we haven't had another 9/11." :lol

:roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Minneapolis to consider bringing in outside police officers amid shortage (https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-to-consider-bringing-in-outside-police-officers-amid-shortage/573021751/)



Murders up double the pace of 2019
(https://wedgelive.com/2020/09/where-is-violent-crime-on-the-rise-in-minneapolis.html)
Violent crime has surged to record highs across Minneapolis (https://www.startribune.com/analysis-poorer-mpls-areas-bear-the-brunt-of-rising-violence/572466101/)

yikes

Still wanna #DefundThePolice ?

https://stmedia.stimg.co/1591662390_08++1011117576+17FLOYD060720.jpg

I wonder what the average IQ in this picture is. All young people. All clearly ignorant and violent. Violence is an indicator of a sub-human brain not being able to process, analyze, and adapt to the natural world around them.

[SATAN]

And you have often threatened people on this website. Interesting. :facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

And you have often threatened people on this website. Interesting. :facepalm

Only in self-defense. I welcome confrontation.