Prime Rose would beat MJ one on one

[PeroAntic]

I'm serious.

Yes MJ is the GOAT, and one of the best 1 on 1 players every. but Rose's finishing acrobatics, floaters, blurry crossovers, midrange game with stepbacks will be a tough match for MJ. Rose would make MJ DANCE for real this time:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OEfQ2FWhdI



Lets imagine Jordan on the ball. Basically, he can't drive on Rose, because Rose is quicker. So his strategy would obviously be to back down Rose in the post. But Rose is one of the strongest pointguards that ever played the game. Too big, too strong. Even now, when hes past his prime, he has regularly clamped guys like Doncic, Harden and Derozan when they tried to post him up.

In fact Rose's defence would be decisive in this matchup. He is a weak help defender and average PnR defender, which is why hes a negative overall. Post injury he isnt even trying hard in order to protect his body and save his energy for offense.

But he is still one of the best man defenders on his position. Hes physical and just too quick following you, and when he was in his prime, he was an elite shot blocker. By any chance you get past him, he will get you with the chase down block from behind. His strength, quickness and contesting ability would trouble MJ.

[Bronbron23]

hard to say. Mj had the size and strength so he could just back him down on offense and elevate over him. On defense he could play off a bit and give him the jumper. Rose is gonna miss a few. Depends what mj were talking also. Pre 93 mj was quick and athletic as hell hed have a better chance staying in front of rose than older mj. Be interesting for sure.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Gee, a DPoY and scoring champion one on one vs a guy 6 inches shorter and 20 pounds lighter.

22-30 year old MJ would destroy him. 1st retirement MJ would have a tough time defending Rose but there is no version of Rose or MJ where Rose could defend him. Even Wizard MJ would be scoring at will.

[FKAri]

OP has NEVER played 1 on 1 before.

[Dr Hawk]

Jordan is the way better scorer and defender (and this is an understatement). He also has size and athletic ability advantage.

[warriorfan]

:roll:

Damn.

[Turbo Slayer]

Rose would not beat MJ. But if it was Shaq vs MJ it's way different.

[Phoenix]

Rose can't stop MJ from posting and shooting over the top. He can't sag off him playing for the jumper. And if he plays him tight, MJs going past him.

MJ is going to sag off Rose, because he's not nearly as consistent a shooter. He has no post-game to diversify his attack. He will mainly attempt to take MJ off the dribble, which he could do if MJ plays him for the jumpshot( which he won't).

If you take all that and think Rose beats him......... alrighty then.

[Phoenix]

But if it was Shaq vs MJ it's way different.

Yes. If Shaq gets the ball first MJ will never get to go on offense.

[Turbo Slayer]

Yes. If Shaq gets the ball first MJ will never get to go on offense. I got to play my dad 1v1 yesterday. My dad (way bigger and stronger) bullied my ass in the post b/c my dad is taller and stronger.

I was like Rafael Araijo while my dad was like Shaq, overpowering me in the post with hook shots and layups.

Peak Shaq would never give Peak MJ a chance to score.

[LoneyROY7]

Like poor little derrick wasn't even there. :(

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[PeroAntic]

Like poor little derrick wasn't even there. :(

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Most pathetic poster on board stanning the most pathetic player in basketball. :roll:

Since your dumb ass can't really decypher what is happening here, let me explain.

First one, Rose is expecting help and he doesnt get physical so that flop boy doesn't do what he does best.

Second one is the typical dumb Harden shot against a great contest, which goes in once every 10 attempts and which is the reason hes such a bum in the playoffs.

Finally, this isn't prime Rose, and Jordan doesn't shoot threes.

There you go. youre welcome, idiot.

[LAmbruh]

Like poor little derrick wasn't even there. :(

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simmered and COOKED


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[LoneyROY7]

Most pathetic poster on board stanning the most pathetic player in basketball. :roll:

Since your dumb ass can't really decypher what is happening here, let me explain.

First one, Rose is expecting help and he doesnt get physical so that flop boy doesn't do what he does best.

Second one is the typical dumb Harden shot against a great contest, which goes in once every 10 attempts and which is the reason hes such a bum in the playoffs.

Finally, this isn't prime Rose, and Jordan doesn't shoot threes.

There you go. youre welcome, idiot.

"he is still one of the best man defenders on his position."

:roll::roll::roll:

In the first clip...Rose shifts his body immediately to the left side as Harden starts his drive, but James is too quick and blows right past him for the easy and-1. :(

I know with your cognitive disabilities this is tough to comprehend though, bud.

[Turbo Slayer]

Like poor little derrick wasn't even there. :(

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Bro. The Rockets had the vastly superior team. You can't fault Rose and the Timberwolves for losing because they were the #8 seed.

[PeroAntic]

Rose can't stop MJ from posting and shooting over the top. He can't sag off him playing for the jumper. And if he plays him tight, MJs going past him.

MJ is going to sag off Rose, because he's not nearly as consistent a shooter. He has no post-game to diversify his attack. He will mainly attempt to take MJ off the dribble, which he could do if MJ plays him for the jumpshot( which he won't).

If you take all that and think Rose beats him......... alrighty then.
Rose's vertical in his prime was enough to disrupt or even block MJ's fadeaways. The man was jumping out of the gym. Combined with his quickness, when he was locked in, not even Jordan could simply shoot over him. And no way MJ is going past him easily. Have you noticed that even now, no team targets Rose? They all want him guarding the guy in the corner. Theres a reason for that.

Rose's midrange shooting is more than good enough to not let Jordan sag... 2nd threepeat Jordan has just slightly better numbers between 10 feet and 3pt line. No data on before but he became a better midrange shooter as he became older so its a good benchmark.

Also, Rose's post moves are underrated. Hes a master of the Dream shake. He has the best floater in the game.

I see Rose as probably the most difficult player for Jordan to beat one on one. Jordan would just leave players that are bigger in the dust. Shaq? Youre having a laugh. Most smaller guys too, but not Rose.

[LoneyROY7]

Bro. The Rockets had the vastly superior team. You can't fault Rose and the Timberwolves for losing because they were the #8 seed.

It has nothing to do with the Rockets winning. It's showing Rose getting diced up in isolation.

[PeroAntic]

"he is still one of the best man defenders on his position."

:roll::roll::roll:

In the first clip...Rose shifts his body immediately to the left side as Harden starts his drive, but James is too quick and blows right past him for the easy and-1. :(

I know with your cognitive disabilities this is tough to comprehend though, bud.

Damn youre stupid... in the first clip Rose does the body shift so that he throws off Harden just enough for the help to come, but not to cause him to flop. We know Harden is not gonna pull up for the midrange.. thats what Rose needs to do. Dieng is just late.

And again, this isn't prime Rose, and under soft rules Harden will always have the advantage. Thats why this thread isnt Rose vs Harden you dipshit.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77ccnwrRwFQ


lol just look at the comments on this video. basically every commenter is saying Rose was guarding Harden well, he just made impossible shots. This is Rose who a couple of months before that was contemplating retirement. PA THE TIC

[LoneyROY7]

Damn youre stupid... in the first clip Rose does the body shift so that he throws off Harden just enough for the help to come, but not to cause him to flop. We know Harden is not gonna pull up for the midrange.. thats what Rose needs to do.

And again, this isn't prime Rose, and under soft rules Harden will always have the advantage. Thats why this thread isnt Rose vs Harden you dipshit.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

He's not expecting help. Why because the paint defender is on the OPPOSITE side of the paint. If Rose was actually shading Harden, the paint defender would've been directly behind him. Rose got toasted, it's okay.

[Turbo Slayer]

It has nothing to do with the Rockets winning. It's showing Rose getting diced up in isolation. Oh, my bad.

[LoneyROY7]

Posts video titled "James Harden SCHOOLS Derrick Rose".

See he was playing good defense!!!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[AirBonner]

Agree. This isn’t a midget muggsy that MJ would be facing. This is a guy quicker than MJ who can leap out of the gym

[Bronbron23]

Rose's vertical in his prime was enough to disrupt or even block MJ's fadeaways. The man was jumping out of the gym. Combined with his quickness, when he was locked in, not even Jordan could simply shoot over him. And no way MJ is going past him easily. Have you noticed that even now, no team targets Rose? They all want him guarding the guy in the corner. Theres a reason for that.

Rose's midrange shooting is more than good enough to not let Jordan sag... 2nd threepeat Jordan has just slightly better numbers between 10 feet and 3pt line. No data on before but he became a better midrange shooter as he became older so its a good benchmark.

Also, Rose's post moves are underrated. Hes a master of the Dream shake. He has the best floater in the game.

I see Rose as probably the most difficult player for Jordan to beat one on one. Jordan would just leave players that are bigger in the dust. Shaq? Youre having a laugh. Most smaller guys too, but not Rose.

Come on dude rose isnt coming close to blocking mj's fadeaway. They'd have the same verticle except mj is 3 in taller and way longer. Hed have to anticipate and bite on everything just to get a hand up. With mjs fakes to go along with that theres just no way.

And roses mid isnt consistent dude. Hed get hot and definitely win a game or 2 but overall he misses way to many mids. Hed give mj to many chances.

And mj was an athletic beast too in his prime. That athleticism and size would give rose fits. Shit if bron could bother rose mj would have no problem.

[Phoenix]

Rose's vertical in his prime was enough to disrupt or even block MJ's fadeaways. The man was jumping out of the gym. Combined with his quickness, when he was locked in, not even Jordan could simply shoot over him. And no way MJ is going past him easily.

Rose getting into a defensive position while MJ is backing him down isnt going to allow him to get maximum vertical or close in it order to block his shot. You're also forgetting that prime MJ himself had an insane vertical and was 4 inches taller. The physics isnt working out in your head as you think. Let's look at the air MJ gets here:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/cd92a1df0c8a0c96d1733bf776aa6073/tenor.gif?itemid=12398015

That's 35 year old MJ. No Mason isnt jumping high to contest the shot, but hes 6'7 with long arms. MJ clears that pretty easily. Note that MJ bumps Mason as he makes his spin fake and that little bump will affect the defender. Then MJ jumps up high AND fades back. Again, this 35 is year old MJ. Your summation of how Rose defends that 'cause Rose got a crazy vert!' respectfully sounds like someone who doesnt have much experience playing basketball. You're thinking about Rose's vertical leap in situations where he can show it off best like a breakaway dunk or drive to the rim and get room to take off.

Heres 40 year old MJ shooting over an athletic Shawn Marion:

https://uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/jordan1.gif

MJ at this stage wouldnt get anywhere near the lift prime MJ would. Marion got close, but not close enough.

Heres MJ fading on 19 year old Kobe:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/16/4a/d7164ae5d6622421a8564aca4ea37a52.gif

Kobe didnt get Rose's air but again, taller than Rose and longer arms to contest make up any different in vert with a 6'2 player.

You're also acting like the fadeaway was his sole weapon in the post. Here's 6'6 Shandon Anderson thinking MJ is going up for his fadeaway. Except:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PeriodicSoftArieltoucan-size_restricted.gif

However you see it going in your head......isnt how it's going to go.

[Real Men Wear Green]

MJ would never have developed the fade if he only had to worry about one defender. He wouldn't have needed it he would just be playing in the paint all game as a solo defender without a big to support him in the paint would have no chance.

With that said the idea that a player shorter than Jordan would block his fade is ridiculous. Please show video of just one instance of a point guard blocking the fadeaway. Or really anyone blocking Bull Jordan on a fadeaway. I can't remember it ever happening on straight up defense but I am now genuinely curious.

[Docs Orders]

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:roll::roll:

[AirBonner]

MJ lost to an investment banker 1vs1 all ya’ll saying an athletic freak like rose wouldn’t have a chance is laughable

[RRR3]

Some of you guys have no idea how one on one works. MJ would annihilate Rose. He’s tallied and heavier and a better rebounder. Then you factor in he’s MUCH better at scoring and defending? Rose would get destroyed. It’d be a massacre.

[AirBonner]

Some of you guys have no idea how one on one works. MJ would annihilate Rose. He’s tallied and heavier and a better rebounder. Then you factor in he’s MUCH better at scoring and defending? Rose would get destroyed. It’d be a massacre.
Like the way MJ massacred that investment banker?

[Uncle Drew]

Like the way MJ massacred that investment banker?

This is a good point. Excellent point, I must say. However, this is Derrick Rose we're talking about.

[Bronbron23]

Like the way MJ massacred that investment banker?

the investment banker played in the ncaa and the 1 on 1 was at like 50%. Its a joke. Plus id rather lose to an investment banker in my 40's than to jason terry in my prime on the biggest stage with a superteam. But hey thats just me.

[Turbo Slayer]

the investment banker played in the ncaa and the 1 on 1 was at like 50%. Its a joke. Plus id rather lose to an investment banker in my 40's than to jason terry in my prime on the biggest stage with a superteam. But hey thats just me. :oldlol:

[ralph_i_el]

MJ wouldn't be able to drive on Rose because Rose is quicker?

OP confirmed for not knowing what he's talking about.

[dbugz]

JJ Barea beat up libron though, for real :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[PeroAntic]

Rose getting into a defensive position while MJ is backing him down isnt going to allow him to get maximum vertical or close in it order to block his shot. You're also forgetting that prime MJ himself had an insane vertical and was 4 inches taller. The physics isnt working out in your head as you think. Let's look at the air MJ gets here:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/cd92a1df0c8a0c96d1733bf776aa6073/tenor.gif?itemid=12398015

That's 35 year old MJ. No Mason isnt jumping high to contest the shot, but hes 6'7 with long arms. MJ clears that pretty easily. Note that MJ bumps Mason as he makes his spin fake and that little bump will affect the defender. Then MJ jumps up high AND fades back. Again, this 35 is year old MJ. Your summation of how Rose defends that 'cause Rose got a crazy vert!' respectfully sounds like someone who doesnt have much experience playing basketball. You're thinking about Rose's vertical leap in situations where he can show it off best like a breakaway dunk or drive to the rim and get room to take off.

Heres 40 year old MJ shooting over an athletic Shawn Marion:

https://uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/jordan1.gif

MJ at this stage wouldnt get anywhere near the lift prime MJ would. Marion got close, but not close enough.

Heres MJ fading on 19 year old Kobe:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/16/4a/d7164ae5d6622421a8564aca4ea37a52.gif

Kobe didnt get Rose's air but again, taller than Rose and longer arms to contest make up any different in vert with a 6'2 player.

You're also acting like the fadeaway was his sole weapon in the post. Here's 6'6 Shandon Anderson thinking MJ is going up for his fadeaway. Except:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PeriodicSoftArieltoucan-size_restricted.gif

However you see it going in your head......isnt how it's going to go.

This is how:


Hed have to anticipate
He anticipates. Its not just 'crazy vert', he does this as well one on one.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdLFoIr-Jbk

Remember this is a diminished athleticism post injury.


But even that version has clamped athletic guys like Wall, Westbrook, Lavine, Derozan in the last years... Add that anticipation to this leaping ability and timing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOZ_gnpQG90



He was strong as well. Of course MJ would score some buckets over any defence, but some are gonna be flukes like the one over Marion. Like those of Harden.

Gotta love though how all the LeStains dont know what their agenda should be here. pa the tic

[Axe]

We all know rose could have been a much better player than he is for his entire career but his longevity just sucks balls.


the investment banker played in the ncaa and the 1 on 1 was at like 50%. Its a joke. Plus id rather lose to an investment banker in my 40's than to jason terry in my prime on the biggest stage with a superteam. But hey thats just me.
:roll:

[Reggie43]

And I thought those Jordan, Lebron, Curry and Pippen stans are delusional :facepalm I guess we should never be surprised with anything on Ish.

[Reggie43]

Jalen Rose at his peak would do a better job defending Jordan than Derrick Rose. He was 6'8" fairly athletic much longer and stronger in defending the post.

*biased pacers fan

[Axe]

rose wasn't that great!even when he was healty he lost in to the heat 2011,and lebron held him to 19 a game.jordan went to the finals doing almost by him self.rose dosent even belong in same conversation as jordan!
Mj was 1-9 without pippen, duh...

Also, d-rose led the bulls that had a rookie hc to 62 wins and ecf appearance in his mvp season during his third year playing in the league.

[Axe]

Lol i never said rose was great. I just said that he could have been better himself if not for those disruptive injuries he had before reaching his 5th year in the league.

As for his teammates, none of them are really that exceptional..

[RRR3]

This is how:


He anticipates. Its not just 'crazy vert', he does this as well one on one.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdLFoIr-Jbk

Remember this is a diminished athleticism post injury.


But even that version has clamped athletic guys like Wall, Westbrook, Lavine, Derozan in the last years... Add that anticipation to this leaping ability and timing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOZ_gnpQG90



He was strong as well. Of course MJ would score some buckets over any defence, but some are gonna be flukes like the one over Marion. Like those of Harden.

Gotta love though how all the LeStains dont know what their agenda should be here. pa the tic
LeBron would wax both of them one-on-one and you'd know this if you understood how important size is in one-on-one. Keep shrieking about "LeStains" doe. You probably think Rose would beat LeBron one-on-one too :roll:

[Axe]

The heavier the balls are in their crotches, the more powerful.

[hateraid]

Rose would not beat MJ. But if it was Shaq vs MJ it's way different.
Just was going to post this. MJ has an advantage due to size. One v one size negates some skill. Just like how Kareem destroyed Dr.J one v one

[RRR3]

Shaq would beat pretty much everyone one on one. Maybe not Yao though.

[Axe]

Shaq would beat pretty much everyone one on one. Maybe not Yao though.
Imagine him having one on one against smaller dudes like iverson or robinson

[RRR3]

Imagine him having one on one against smaller dudes like iverson or robinson
He'd win 21-0 if he got the ball first. If he didn't, as soon as they miss, it's game over.

[Axe]

He'd win 21-0 if he got the ball first. If he didn't, as soon as they miss, it's game over.
Lol i can somehow imagine it'd be a david vs. goliath showdown.

If applied in boxing, it would be like muhammad ali vs. any hof featherweight boxing champion.

[Axe]

I think I would beat your mom easily one on one in basketball boy!
Go home if you've got nothing nice to say, gay ass bitch. ./.

Oh, and yo granny is horny af.

[Smoke117]

Mj was 1-9 without pippen, duh...

Also, d-rose led the bulls that had a rookie hc to 62 wins and ecf appearance in his mvp season during his third year playing in the league.

Bulls were the best defensive team in the league and that was a big reason why they won 62 games. Rose had little to nothing to do with how good their defense was.

[Axe]

Bulls were the best defensive team in the league and that was a big reason why they won 62 games. Rose had little to nothing to do with how good their defense was.
Really? Cool story bro.

Btw, i suppose that explains how they were able to sweep the heat during the regular season.

[Phoenix]

This is how:


He anticipates. Its not just 'crazy vert', he does this as well one on one.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdLFoIr-Jbk

Remember this is a diminished athleticism post injury.


But even that version has clamped athletic guys like Wall, Westbrook, Lavine, Derozan in the last years... Add that anticipation to this leaping ability and timing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOZ_gnpQG90



He was strong as well. Of course MJ would score some buckets over any defence, but some are gonna be flukes like the one over Marion. Like those of Harden.

Gotta love though how all the LeStains dont know what their agenda should be here. pa the tic

Who's a 'LeStain'?

[Phoenix]

This is how:


He anticipates. Its not just 'crazy vert', he does this as well one on one.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdLFoIr-Jbk

Remember this is a diminished athleticism post injury.


But even that version has clamped athletic guys like Wall, Westbrook, Lavine, Derozan in the last years... Add that anticipation to this leaping ability and timing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOZ_gnpQG90



He was strong as well. Of course MJ would score some buckets over any defence, but some are gonna be flukes like the one over Marion. Like those of Harden.

Gotta love though how all the LeStains dont know what their agenda should be here. pa the tic

Doncic didnt even set up the shot properly. He backed down, spun without clearly having much clue where Rose was and the move got telegraphed. Good anticipation by Derrick but let's not act like this is 1:1 example of what he would face with MJ or that the other names you dropped present the same challenge in that situation.

MJ was a much more fundamentally sound post player on top of his athleticism. For one, he used his legs to feel out the defender to dictate which direction he would go, and as I said he would also bump you enough to create that split second separation. Not only is he then getting great height off the ground, but he also could fade backwards or to either side depending on how the defender was playing him . And your response to that is 'but vertical' as if only he can use his athleticism in this matchup. Just off the triple threat Rose is going to have to find a middle ground between respecting his jumpshot or playing him for the drive, not forgetting that MJ was masterful at taking 2-3 hard drives,, stopping on a dime and rising up quickly and high for a jumpshot while the defenders momentum is heading towards the basket.

[Bronbron23]

This is how:


He anticipates. Its not just 'crazy vert', he does this as well one on one.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdLFoIr-Jbk

Remember this is a diminished athleticism post injury.


But even that version has clamped athletic guys like Wall, Westbrook, Lavine, Derozan in the last years... Add that anticipation to this leaping ability and timing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOZ_gnpQG90



He was strong as well. Of course MJ would score some buckets over any defence, but some are gonna be flukes like the one over Marion. Like those of Harden.

Gotta love though how all the LeStains dont know what their agenda should be here. pa the tic

bruh blocking luka dosnt prove anything. Mj was a way better athlete. It be like showing a video of someone tackling brady and then assuming he must be able to tackle bo jackson also.