Davis Bertans sitting out, will not report to Disney for Wizards

[Fudge]

Dude just killed the Wizards chances of even sniffing the playoffs this year.

Frontrunner for sixth man of the year and MIP sitting the rest of the year out due to the risk of getting a flu.

[FireDavidKahn]

Because the wizards have a remote shot in hell of doing anything:facepalm

Dude outplayed his contract so no reason to risk injury if your team doesn't have a shot to do anything

[insidehoops]

Wizards forward Davis Bertans has reportedly decided he doesn't want to take part in the NBA's return to play plan at Disney, and will call it a season.

More info: http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=23154

[Fudge]

Hey nutsac,
Quitters arent allowed to post in my thread.

Out.

[rawimpact]

This is the problem with affirmative action. You got guys there collecting a check without really deserving it.

[Fudge]

Lol

Davis BARTONS*

[insidious301]

If you're not going to play then you shouldn't be getting paid either. Just my 2 cents.

[Shogon]

If you're not going to play then you shouldn't be getting paid either. Just my 2 cents.

No shit, eh?

You're not producing anything, then you aren't getting paid. This is a pretty simple concept that at least half of the country has completely abandoned and lost any concept of the fact that it's rooted in reality and it's not just people being mean. It's reality.

If you don't make stuff, there's no stuff. - Elon Musk, 2020

[Shogon]

This notion though, that, you know, you can just sort of send checks out to everybody and things will be fine is not true, obviously. Some people have this absurd view that the economy is like some magic horn of plenty. Like it just makes stuff. There's a magic horn of plenty... the goods and services just come from this magic horn of plenty. Like if somebody has more stuff than somebody else, it's because they took more from this magic horn of plenty.

Let me just break it to ya, the fools out there... if you don't make stuff, there's no stuff.

*Death stare*

Yeah.

So, if you don't make the food, you don't process the food, you don't transport the food... medical treatment... teeth fixed... there's no stuff.

We've become detached from reality.

You can't just legislate money and solve these things.

If you don't make stuff, there is no stuff. - Elon Musk, 2020

[ralph_i_el]

This notion though, that, you know, you can just sort of send checks out to everybody and things will be fine is not true, obviously. Some people have this absurd view that the economy is like some magic horn of plenty. Like it just makes stuff. There's a magic horn of plenty... the goods and services just come from this magic horn of plenty.



He likes it when the US government is sending his businesses subsidy checks though.

Workers working is why we have stuff. Most people aren't complaining because they want free stuff for nothing. People are complaining because the fundamental balance of people earning money for working vs. people earning money because they own capital is broken.

As you can see in the chart below, the % of all income going to people working (vs. income to people for owning things) has steadily decreased since WW2. To compound that, the share of income going to labor is becoming more and more concentrated in the top-10% of laborers (LeBron and his cleaning lady both are laborers under this formulation).

https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2017/images/giandrea-sprague-fig1.png

Facts are, people who work and produce things are getting a smaller slice of the pie these days, but folks with big stock portfolios are getting a bigger slice than in the past.

Casting this as "everybody who whines about the economy is just lazy and wants free shit" is a narrative that a lot of people on TV want you to believe. I wonder why?

[ralph_i_el]

That being said, Bertans will not be paid, and apparently has been okayed by the Wiz to sit out. He has been screwed out of potential contracts by injuries before, and the Wiz really want to resign him. As a Wiz fan, I don't really care if he plays. Why risk not having him on the team next year to force him into a situation where AT BEST they win their way into the playoffs and get massacred by the Bucks.

[FireDavidKahn]

Hey nutsac,
Quitters arent allowed to post in my thread.

Out.

What does he have to gain?

[FireDavidKahn]

If you're not going to play then you shouldn't be getting paid either. Just my 2 cents.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/06/15/report-nba-players-who-choose-not-to-play-will-lose-higher-share-of-salary-than-suspended-players/


Report: NBA players who choose not to play will lose higher share of salary than suspended players

The public messaging on players who choose not to play in the NBA’s resumption at Disney World: They won’t face discipline.

But they won’t get paid, which is no small matter.

Ramona Shelburne and Adrian Wojnarowski:

they will lose payment on games missed — 1/92nd of the money owed them, sources said.

I wonder whether that’s actually 1/92.6th, which is the amount salaries are reduced for each game canceled through force majeure.

Either way, it’s a higher proportion of salary than players lose when suspended.

Here’s the share of salaries players lose per game when:

Suspended for fewer than 20 games: 0.7% (1/145th)
Suspended for 20 games or more: 0.9% (1/110th)
Choosing not to play at Disney World: 1.1%
That seems unfair – especially when players on the eight done teams will receive the same percentage of their salaries as reporting players on the continuing 22 teams.*

*Almost certainly, no players will get their full slated salaries with league-wide revenue way down.

Players have expressed a variety of concerns about continuing play – safety amid the coronavirus pandemic, standard of living in a closed campus, advancing the Black Lives Matter movement. For someone to choose not to play would be a heavy decision. It feels crass to treat him more harshly financially than a suspended player.

There’s not necessarily an easy way to handle this unprecedented situation. Nobody signed up to play games under these circumstances. It’s also tough to make a case that owners should pay players who choose not to play.

In practical terms, players who choose to sit out would lose 9%-41% of their salaries, based on this reporting. The continuing 22 teams will each play eight seeding games plus potentially one or two play-in games and up to 28 games through the playoffs.

For the three players most commonly linked to sitting out, here would be their lost wages:

Kyrie Irving (Nets): $2,760,174 – $9,660,609
Dwight Howard (Lakers): $223,022 – $780,577
CJ McCollum (Trail Blazers): $2,396,257 – $8,985,965
Obviously, it’s highly unlikely any team reaches a Game 7 in every round, especially a team that participates in a play-in. So, the high end of these ranges are mostly theoretical.


They essentially wont be getting paid so there should be no problem

[Whoah10115]

He likes it when the US government is sending his businesses subsidy checks though.

Workers working is why we have stuff. Most people aren't complaining because they want free stuff for nothing. People are complaining because the fundamental balance of people earning money for working vs. people earning money because they own capital is broken.

As you can see in the chart below, the % of all income going to people working (vs. income to people for owning things) has steadily decreased since WW2. To compound that, the share of income going to labor is becoming more and more concentrated in the top-10% of laborers (LeBron and his cleaning lady both are laborers under this formulation).

https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2017/images/giandrea-sprague-fig1.png

Facts are, people who work and produce things are getting a smaller slice of the pie these days, but folks with big stock portfolios are getting a bigger slice than in the past.

Casting this as "everybody who whines about the economy is just lazy and wants free shit" is a narrative that a lot of people on TV want you to believe. I wonder why?

You're a good poster.

[Whoah10115]

This is the problem with affirmative action. You got guys there collecting a check without really deserving it.

I would love to meet you and I would punch you in the mouth. Till then, blocked.

Ball in your court tho.

[SATAN]

I would love to meet you and I would punch you in the mouth.

:oldlol:

[HylianNightmare]

Good the wizards shouldn't have even been invited

[FKAri]

Good the wizards shouldn't have even been invited

Exactly. I think the whole Wizards team should take his cue and sit out. We wouldn't want put a potential championship team at risk of infection because they played the ****ing Wizards.

[light]

I have no criticism of his decision whatsoever. That's his prerogative.

[Stephonit]

The league cannot expressly say this is an option and then criticize him for availing of it. I'm perfectly fine with it. Is he even in the United States currently? Getting on a plane alone might not be worth it.

A player I will be interested seeing the reactions to will be Ingles.

[dbugz]

softy

logical though.

[FultzNationRISE]

That being said, Bertans will not be paid, and apparently has been okayed by the Wiz to sit out. He has been screwed out of potential contracts by injuries before, and the Wiz really want to resign him. As a Wiz fan, I don't really care if he plays. Why risk not having him on the team next year to force him into a situation where AT BEST they win their way into the playoffs and get massacred by the Bucks.


You don't care if a player on your favorite team fails to meet his contractual obligations? He's being paid millions, and the paying fans and sponsors want to see him perform. You dont want the league to step in and make sure he plays by the rules and honors his commitment ethically?

But when it comes to the broad/general topic of "investors and businesmen" you think it's a screeching shame when they take advantage of whatever leverage they have, and you think the government should step in immediately and "correct" them in whatever way tickles your fancy?

This is why idealism and reality aren't the same thing.

Because pretentious, wannabe-enlightened shmucks like you preach one set of fairytale values for everyone else in society... but always, always, ALWAYS apply a different set of values to anything you personally have an interest in.

Faux-intellectual cringe bag.

[Lebron23]

Wizards might get hot from the perimeter, and upset some top seeded teams in the playoffs.

[jayfan]

Wizards might get hot from the perimeter, and upset some top seeded teams in the playoffs.

Having followed the Wiz all season...nope. Not gonna happen. At their best, they're a somewhat competitive, entertaining team. But there's not enough there. And they're rarely at their best.

[jayfan]

Good the wizards shouldn't have even been invited

Exactly. I think the whole Wizards team should take his cue and sit out. We wouldn't want put a potential championship team at risk of infection because they played the ****ing Wizards.

Agree. This thing should be a 16 team playoff or nothing.

[rawimpact]

I would love to meet you and I would punch you in the mouth. Till then, blocked.

Ball in your court tho.


:oldlol:

That's all it takes to rile this guy up?

[Whoah10115]

He's not the frontrunner for 6MOTY.

[ralph_i_el]

I'm butthurt

Davis is a worker, he's not going to be paid for sitting out these games. He's using his leverage against his employer. He can do this because he is backed up by a union.