Paul George says Pacers refused to add star who wanted to come join him.

[Kblaze8855]

"I ain't gon' say the names, because I'm going to keep their business private, I'm just saying it like this," George began. "I had at the time, the best power forward saying he wanted to come to Indy and team up with me. They like 'we're a mid-major, we're a small market, we can't do it, we're a small market, we can't afford that.'"
At that point, George felt that the team was not committed to winning. That is when he decided to leave.
"What am I doing here? You know what I mean? They don't want to win. I've got the best power forward that wants to come play here. Not everybody chooses Indy to come play here. This dude wanted to come play here. They didn't want to do it."

[Kblaze8855]

For the record the Pacers owner is a Simon from “Simon property group”. The people who probably own your local mall. Doesn’t mean he’s got a lot of liquid cash to spend on his team....im just saying.

[Shogon]

A quick google search says that guy is worth roughly 3 billion. That's not that much... not when you look at it from the perspective of potentially losing 50-100+ million a year.

It's hard to really say if that's an unreasonable stance by the owner without seeing extremely specific financials surrounding the team's profitability.

To be clear, I don't know what their financial situation is whatsoever... I'm just saying, theoretically. Some of these teams do indeed lose money or at the least that's the story that's been floated.

[Kblaze8855]

I’m sure a good chunk of that 3 billion comes from owning an nba team but it’s always murky. The warriors owners net worth is listed at 1 billion.

Pacers do have the second lowest payroll in the nba because Sabonis’ new deal doesn’t kick in till next year. I’ve seen pacer fans ready to believe Paul’s story and assume they won’t sign Oladipo back because he’s gonna cost too much.

Hard to say from the outside what people can spend. We do know the worst case scenario is cashing out by selling for a billion or two so they have a pretty good downside if they run it into the ground.

[Haymaker]

Who was the best PF at that time? Anthony Davis?

[Carbine]

Who's he talking about? Kevin Love?

[rawimpact]

A quick google search says that guy is worth roughly 3 billion. That's not that much... not when you look at it from the perspective of potentially losing 50-100+ million a year.

It's hard to really say if that's an unreasonable stance by the owner without seeing extremely specific financials surrounding the team's profitability.

To be clear, I don't know what their financial situation is whatsoever... I'm just saying, theoretically. Some of these teams do indeed lose money or at the least that's the story that's been floated.

What do you mean they're losing 100M a year? Are you talking about player payroll? I'm pretty sure there is profit sharing that supports small markets that essentially the lakers, celtics, knicks etc. subsidize.

I just looked it up

in 2012 they were profitting, not much but still 12M/year reportedly which i doubt is underestimated

in 2016 they renewed a tv deal that would net them additional 50M/year (source: https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2014/10/09/tv-deal-windfall-pacers-public-money-unchanged/16994399/)

I'm just saying, even small markets are very profitable. Owning a nba team is pretty much solidifying yourself as a 1%er and points to why the saying is "the rich get richer"

Anyways,

PG should just let this go... why make enemies when there's nothing to gain? Like it or not a lot of people will always associate him to the Pacers. I'm sure it'd be preferable to not leave a sour taste at this point.

[Shogon]

What do you mean they're losing 100M a year? Are you talking about player payroll? I'm pretty sure there is profit sharing that supports small markets that essentially the lakers, celtics, knicks etc. subsidize.

I just looked it up

in 2012 they were profitting, not much but still 12M/year reportedly which i doubt is underestimated

in 2016 they renewed a tv deal that would net them additional 50M/year (source: https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2014/10/09/tv-deal-windfall-pacers-public-money-unchanged/16994399/)

I'm just saying, even small markets are very profitable. Owning a nba team is pretty much solidifying yourself as a 1%er and points to why the saying is "the rich get richer"

Anyways,

PG should just let this go... why make enemies when there's nothing to gain? Like it or not a lot of people will always associate him to the Pacers. I'm sure it'd be preferable to not leave a sour taste at this point.

I didn't say they were losing 100 million a year. You clearly did not read my post.

[Uncle Drew]

Who was the best PF at that time? Anthony Davis?

LMA?

[Shogon]

Also, basically half of the NBA was losing money, excluding revenue sharing... just a few years ago.

And the Pacers were one of those teams... which basically means they weren't profitable as an individual team and were barely eeking out a profit in comparison to their expenses... at least prior to the new TV deal, anyways.

So... I say all that to say, adding a max level player and starting to go into the luxury tax could potentially turn them back to the red.

Again, I do not know the exact specifics of their financial situation and I'd have to see precisely what it is before making a judgement call, but it's not wrong for a guy to want an annual return on his investment... or at least not to lose money annually.

As a fan, I would hate to have an owner that wasn't going for it, but as a rational human being, I understand not wanting to lose money for a team that had no shot at winning it all regardless.

[ArbitraryWater]

Who's he talking about? Kevin Love?

that makes no sense, time wise.

Love was on the Cavs.

He might be talking BG who was considered best PF in 2014-15, maybe still had rep little longer

Davis wasnt really thought of as PF even if he was one.

[ralph_i_el]

that makes no sense, time wise.

Love was on the Cavs.

He might be talking BG who was considered best PF in 2014.

Davis wasnt really thought of as PF even if he was one.

My first thought was BG too. BG and PG

[LoneyROY7]

I can't see Blake wanting to leave LA for Indy. Timeline wise it would make sense though.

[warriorfan]

For the record the Pacers owner is a Simon from “Simon property group”. The people who probably own your local mall. Doesn’t mean he’s got a lot of liquid cash to spend on his team....im just saying.

He’s an owner that runs it as a business, it’s not about winning. Unfortunately there’s many franchises like that. Chris Cohan ran the Warriors like that for years.

[dbugz]

PG said he want to stay in OKC, guess what happened next?

I used to respect this guy but he doesn't have any credibility at all.

[light]

Word is that he's talking about Anthony Davis, but I'm skeptical.

[Clippersfan86]

It's either Blake or KL. Lol at the people who still claim Aldridge was ever the best PF. He was really good, but at no point was he better than Blake.

[Clippersfan86]

Word is that he's talking about Anthony Davis, but I'm skeptical.

Davis was like a 1st or 2nd year player under contract. No chance it was him.

[ArbitraryWater]

Davis was like a 1st or 2nd year player under contract. No chance it was him.

How do you know which year it was? Could be 2017.

Who is KL?

[iamgine]

AD makes sense. He was losing in Pelicans and probably won't mind a move to Indiana. But Indy of course wouldn't even try to trade for him because they'd lose all their assets and future picks just to risk losing him a couple of years later. They really can't afford that.

[HylianNightmare]

They never game him good help. Average help at best

[Axe]

Paul George was responsible for leading that pacers team that took the heat to 7 games in the ecf seven years ago...

[Reggie43]

Still trying to justify why he left Indiana. Great thing is that the Pacers got two Allstars with great attitudes for the price of one.

[Reggie43]

Paul George was responsible for leading that pacers team that took the heat to 7 games in the ecf seven years ago...

Hibbert going Kareem Abdul Jabbar on Bosh has something to do with that...

[Real Men Wear Green]

He is most likely saying this and acting like it was the best pf because he wanted to justify leaving to the Pacers fans and/or himself. Especially if we're talking about Kevin Love. Highly doubt it was Davis as only last season was Davis on the market and even if he was available the Pacers didn't have the assets to make a trade. Plus indy has paid stars (Jermaine o'neal and Paul George himself come to mind and they took Brogdon from Milwaukee and just gave Sabonisa big extension). This isn't Charlotte they've got a history of putting good teams together.

Anyway Indy benefited from the deal. Before he tore Achilles Oladipo was better than George and they also got sabonis (I think) in the deal.

[Axe]

Hibbert going Kareem Abdul Jabbar on Bosh has something to do with that...
And probably former pacers head coach frank vogel as well..

[Reggie43]

And probably former pacers head coach frank vogel as well..

Exactly. Paul had a better series the following year but got bounced in 6 games with Hibbert reverting back to his trashy self.

Pg13 was the most talented obviously but David West along with George Hill were the leaders of that group, West especially was equally important to the Pacers success as anyone.

[DoctorP]

WHat's done is done but maybe that's a drawback to playing with the Pacers.

But maybe the front offfice didn't want Blake. Was he injury prone then?

Who else would it have been?

[FireDavidKahn]

Sure...

WHatever you have to tell yourself, George.

Just an excuse for why he couldn't get it done.

[Whoah10115]

It's either Blake or KL. Lol at the people who still claim Aldridge was ever the best PF. He was really good, but at no point was he better than Blake.

Sorry buddy, but he was pretty much always better than Blake when at Portland.

None of those stats mean a thing. If Aldridge had stayed and that didn't hamper Lillard's development, they could legitimately have won a title. McCollum could be the perennial 6MOTY.

[Whoah10115]

He is most likely saying this and acting like it was the best pf because he wanted to justify leaving to the Pacers fans and/or himself. Especially if we're talking about Kevin Love. Highly doubt it was Davis as only last season was Davis on the market and even if he was available the Pacers didn't have the assets to make a trade. Plus indy has paid stars (Jermaine o'neal and Paul George himself come to mind and they took Brogdon from Milwaukee and just gave Sabonisa big extension). This isn't Charlotte they've got a history of putting good teams together.

Anyway Indy benefited from the deal. Before he tore Achilles Oladipo was better than George and they also got sabonis (I think) in the deal.

Wasn't it his quad?

Also, I simply hate the way Paul George talks. So annoying and full of stuff.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yes it was his quad. My badness.

[Axe]

Exactly. Paul had a better series the following year but got bounced in 6 games with Hibbert reverting back to his trashy self.

Pg13 was the most talented obviously but David West along with George Hill were the leaders of that group, West especially was equally important to the Pacers success as anyone.
Lol who would have thought that exactly six years later since that one, bran and vogel would be working together in the lakers? :oldlol:

[Reggie43]

Lol who would have thought that exactly six years later since that one, bran and vogel would be working together in the lakers? :oldlol:

Maybe the mindset in hiring him was if he could turn Hibbert and Lance into gold even for a few years maybe he could do the same for some of the Lakers trash lol