I'm looking at historical rankings of U.S. Presidents and Obama...

[1987_Lakers]

is usually ranked around 10-17 out of 45 U.S. Presidents which is pretty good. Do you agree with this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_St ates

[Norcaliblunt]

rankings are stupid.

[Kblaze8855]

Whenever anyone claims Obama(or even Trump) are the worst ever ask them about Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, or Warren Harding and see if they even have an opinion. Usually they wont.The people from our lives get that emotional attachment that makes some call them best or worst ever with no real evidence.Whatever you think of either Obama or Trump neither could do the damage some of those old presidents did.

[Shogon]

Well who cares about the rankings... at least they got the GOAT right.

The thing that stands out the most to me about my disapproval of his presidency, however, was the creation of paper currency not backed by anything.

[RRR3]

Plot twist: every single US president was bad.

[SouBeachTalents]

The top 5 seems pretty consensus in these

Washington
Lincoln
FDR
Teddy Roosevelt
Jefferson

I expected Reagan & Clinton be ranked higher

[999Guy]

Bill Clinton is super higher considering having to deal with Newt Gingrich and the beginning of the rabid Republicans that have taken over today.

Glad they put LBJ at a high spot. Genuinely the GOAT politician. He could pass a poison water bill.

Reagan is damn high but that’s probably for the era. The 80’s were great. His administration had almost as many federal investigations and criminals as Trump’s.

Bush and Trump are a really, really bad back to back elects for Republicans.

The only comparable world leaders to Trump I can think of are the idiot in the Philippines and Bolsanaro who is a complete jackass to an even higher level than Donald.

Trump botched a crisis like Bush did and is about to flame out just like him but as a one term president instead of two. Lots of dead bodies in their wakes between the war and this virus which has had schizophrenic federal leadership. Bleach injections? Holding off masks? All the nonsense of snatching ventilators?

His presidency will be pretty damn low at this rate. Probably ranked lower than Bush’s by scholars.


Imagine the festering that’s about to happen in the right-wing with 4 years of Biden drooling his way into passing liberals laws with a blue congress.

This was about presidents but this is really putting into perspective how unsustainable this all is. I don’t know if it’s gonna culminate or just slow bleed for years but Trumps and fringe idiots can’t keep getting elected in the modern age.

[TheMan]

Plot twist: every single US president was bad.

This guy :lol

[bladefd]

The top 5 seems pretty consensus in these

Washington
Lincoln
FDR
Teddy Roosevelt
Jefferson

I expected Reagan & Clinton be ranked higher

I feel like Jackson, Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt are typically listed bit too high on these rankings. They were powerful leaders but mehhh.. Teddy usually gets in top 5, Wilson in top 10 but coming down, Jackson has been coming down so that's reasonable

[Axe]

is usually ranked around 10-17 out of 45 U.S. Presidents which is pretty good. Do you agree with this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_St ates
Straight outta wikipedia. Lmao

[FultzNationRISE]

rankings are stupid.


This, /thread.

[Im Still Ballin]

Solid rankings.

The consensus...

[Stanley Kobrick]

solid list, i feel it's unfair to rank presidents accross different eras. one must account for pace of the nation and rules of the land

[RRR3]

solid list, i feel it's unfair to rank presidents accross different eras. one must account for pace of the nation and rules of the land
I agree, they lived at a ridiculous pace in Washington's era. No way is dude putting up those stats today. Decent hook shot, but his moves were pretty limited overall.

[imdaman99]

solid list, i feel it's unfair to rank presidents accross different eras. one must account for pace of the nation and rules of the land

Yep. It's like Washington being the goat. How many of us were around when he was chopping down the tree? Where were the twitter trolls to highlight that?

[MrFonzworth]

I agree, they lived at a ridiculous pace in Washington's era. No way is dude putting up those stats today. Decent hook shot, but his moves were pretty limited overall.

:facepalm

Modern politicians are SOFT. Washington would have 90% approval rating in today's era.

[RRR3]

:facepalm

Modern politicians are SOFT. Washington would have 90% approval rating in today's era.
No way dude. Washington had it easy not having to deal with the media. If he did something dumb, most of the country never even heard about it. Nowadays, if a politician sneezes someone will tweet about it. He’d probably be a plumber today tbh.

[FultzNationRISE]

:facepalm

Modern politicians are SOFT. Washington would have 90% approval rating in today's era.



:biggums:

The nation only had 13 states when Washington was elected. Not to mention it was the segregation era.

The competition back then was a joke.

[jstern]

It's impossible to rank Presidents because people are only aware of superficial matters that they only look at through their fanboy eyes and are unaware of the behind the scenes. Top secret things, the maneuvering through agendas of hundreds of different individuals.

A President could had prevented 911 or an equivalent event, and no one would ever know it, or even begin to appreciate because they can't relate to such horrors. There are thousands of different possible scenarios that goes beyond saving lives.

Lets say Trump refuses to use military power that will kill lots of civilian people in another country, because he rather negotiate where he usually gets the upper hand. Too simplistic of an example because there so much more varied things that goes on behind the scene that the public will never know about, and using military power is such a common thing. But it's an easy to follow example. Lets say he refuses to do that because he has a high people IQ and can understand that decades from now people in that country will get revenge. Just from that talent and understanding he just prevented the maiming of tens, maybe even millions of people, from multiple countries, ruining economies, and no one will ever know. Where as a McCain or a Hillary would had led to the opposite.

[Axe]

So who's the greatest among them under Uncle Sam's federalism?

[MrFonzworth]

No way dude. Washington had it easy not having to deal with the media. If he did something dumb, most of the country never even heard about it. Nowadays, if a politician sneezes someone will tweet about it. He’d probably be a plumber today tbh.

Washington would make Bloomberg News his bitch. Dude was catching bodies left and right in the 1700s, Fox couldn't guard him.

[RRR3]

Washington would make Bloomberg News his bitch. Dude was catching bodies left and right in the 1700s, Fox couldn't guard him.
Washington was NOTORIOUS for struggling against elite media coverage (and when I say "elite" I mean elite for the era). He'd be completely shut down by the media today.

[bladefd]

Looks like Princeton University is dropping the name Woodrow Wilson from one of their buildings because they deem Woodrow Wilson was a racist :wtf:

I mean every single president before Johnson/Civil rights could be deemed a racist so idk what the goal is... Pretty stupid if you ask me but w/e

[FultzNationRISE]

Looks like Princeton University is dropping the name Woodrow Wilson from one of their buildings because they deem Woodrow Wilson was a racist :wtf:

I mean every single president before Johnson/Civil rights could be deemed a racist so idk what the goal is... Pretty stupid if you ask me but w/e


BEFORE Johnson?


You should read up on Johnson.


:lebronamazed:

[bladefd]

BEFORE Johnson?


You should read up on Johnson.


:lebronamazed:

I know. Civil Rights was not something he pushed willingly, but a lot of people don't know that. So I guess one could deem him racist too. You could deem every president as a racist if you dig deep enough

[FultzNationRISE]

I know. Civil Rights was not something he pushed willingly, but a lot of people don't know that. So I guess one could deem him racist too. You could deem every president as a racist if you dig deep enough


Frankly you could deem every person on Earth a racist if you use modern popular criteria.

Every factor we know about someone informs our initial judgements. Tall or short, neat or messy, eyeglasses, clothing brands, voice, color, hobbies, preferences, emotions. Same with groups. Any general pattern we notice about groups informs our impression of the group, even if we’re able to put that aside as we get to know specific individuals. Even then, we still maintain the impression of the group in general.

Anything that can be noticed, humans INNATELY factor into their assessment of other people. It is an incontrovertible part of our makeup.

But apparently anyone who forgets to publicly pretend science and psychology arent a real thing if they hurt feelings... is a “racist.”


#ForScience

[Draz]

I think everything comes down to circumstances and how to manage and deal with them I.e. 911 and covid.

[ThatCoolKid]

Whenever anyone claims Obama(or even Trump) are the worst ever ask them about Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, or Warren Harding and see if they even have an opinion. Usually they wont.The people from our lives get that emotional attachment that makes some call them best or worst ever with no real evidence.Whatever you think of either Obama or Trump neither could do the damage some of those old presidents did.

Trump is just as corrupt as Buchanan, likely more. This is a man who begs foreign countries to help him get re-elected, and has no respect for the checks and balances of our government - firing anyone who questions or testifies against him. He's a man who didn't pay his contractors back when he was in the private sector. He's a man who refuses to put his assets in a blind trust and encourages foreign diplomats to stay in his hotels. He holds political events at Trump properties. Trump can't commit genocide like Andrew Johnson did - but he did directly approve of China's interment of Uighur dissidents and has stated multiple times that he wishes he could have journalists killed. It's not that Trump is a good guy who wouldn't take the same actions as Andrew Jackson - its more just he doesn't have the opportunity. This is a man who wanted to call the military on peaceful protestors exercising their constitutional rights. Buchanan fought to keep slavery - it's hard to compare that to Trump today. But, let's be real - if Trump was President back then he would have been fighting to keep slavery as well. He's a guy who fights for the wealthy and the powerful while harnessing white resentment to gain the support of the white working class.

Not to mention Trump's current reaction to the BLM protests or his handling of the coronavirus pandemic "I tell them to slow down testing, it makes me look bad." Trump is going down in history as one of the worst presidents of all time for sure. His only legislative accomplishment is tax cuts for corporations - he's done little else.

If nothing else is remembered about the man - people will remember that the US was the hardest struck country by a coronavirus and their President stood idly by acting like a spectator in his own government while screaming for people not to wear masks but requiring people around him and at his events to wear masks.

[ThatCoolKid]

Looks like Princeton University is dropping the name Woodrow Wilson from one of their buildings because they deem Woodrow Wilson was a racist :wtf:

I mean every single president before Johnson/Civil rights could be deemed a racist so idk what the goal is... Pretty stupid if you ask me but w/e

Go read some Wilson quotes on race. He was absolutely racist. It's not questionable.

I remember being struck by that in high school. The man was so large-minded when it came to the United Nations (League of Nations) but also so racist.

[1987_Lakers]

Not to mention Trump's current reaction to the BLM protests or his handling of the coronavirus pandemic "I tell them to slow down testing, it makes me look bad." Trump is going down in history as one of the worst presidents of all time for sure. His only legislative accomplishment is tax cuts for corporations - he's done little else.

Yea, if he loses re-election, it's hard to say he's leaving the job as a success, the way he has handled our current crisis has been atrocious,"Injecting Disinfectants Into your veins could cure coronavirus". And just the fact that he wants to slow down testing just shows how much of a narcissist he is, he would rather make himself look good instead of helping people with corona. Dude is so wrapped up in his own head. Dude is a textbook narcissist.

[1987_Lakers]

Go read some Wilson quotes on race. He was absolutely racist. It's not questionable.

I remember being struck by that in high school. The man was so large-minded when it came to the United Nations (League of Nations) but also so racist.

The first film ever played at the White House was "Birth of a Nation", the most racist movie of all time. Wilson was president at the time, he invited his family and members of his cabinet for the viewing. I'm sure most presidents in the 20th century were racist, but Wilson was more outspoken about it.

[Roundball_Rock]

Yes--he was a good president but lacked an achievement on par with Social Security, Medicare, or Civil Rights (Obamacare isn't on the same level, although progress) and did not confront a crisis. These things cap him all-time. However, you really need 20 or 25 years to elapse to get a real idea of where things shake out historically and he hasn't been out of office for 4 years yet. Trump is making him look better, though, because Trump's weaknesses overlay well with Obama's strengths.


he top 5 seems pretty consensus in these

Washington
Lincoln
FDR
Teddy Roosevelt
Jefferson

I expected Reagan & Clinton be ranked higher

Clinton will wind up mid-pack. The needle didn't move much with him. Reagan often is top 10 but top 5 is unlikely. Reagan's importance comes more from his impact on the direction of politics for the next several decades than what he actually did as president (the 20th century analogue to Andrew Jackson in that sense).


I know. Civil Rights was not something he pushed willingly, but a lot of people don't know that. So I guess one could deem him racist too.

His advisers told him to wait until after the election because it would cost him the South and hence possibly the presidency--he didn't want to wait and lose the moment to pass it, saying what is the point of being president if you aren't doing big things? JFK, on the other hand, was delaying. LBJ came through in the clutch. He was crude but he had a genuine desire to help the poor and minorities.

[bobopenguin]

it's social media era, ppl realise they can hate anyone openly, so they choose to hate the rich white man who's kinda dumb.
but they know they cannot hate the first black president cos hating black apparently is worse than believe in satan and pedophile.

[Jasper]

Whenever anyone claims Obama(or even Trump) are the worst ever ask them about Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, or Warren Harding and see if they even have an opinion. Usually they wont.The people from our lives get that emotional attachment that makes some call them best or worst ever with no real evidence.Whatever you think of either Obama or Trump neither could do the damage some of those old presidents did.

don't forget scan-delis Nixon

[Jasper]

it's social media era, ppl realise they can hate anyone openly, so they choose to hate the rich white man who's kinda dumb.
but they know they cannot hate the first black president cos hating black apparently is worse than believe in satan and pedophile.

Trust me when I say Trump started this whole bowl of wax

[Gabe Ball]

Yea, if he loses re-election, it's hard to say he's leaving the job as a success, the way he has handled our current crisis has been atrocious,"Injecting Disinfectants Into your veins could cure coronavirus". And just the fact that he wants to slow down testing just shows how much of a narcissist he is, he would rather make himself look good instead of helping people with corona. Dude is so wrapped up in his own head. Dude is a textbook narcissist.

Yeah, I agree, although it is unfortunate that he didn't do much else. Interesting how when you look back on his history in politics, he was pretty well-received as a potential candidate to run in the elections.

Though I feel it's kinda like what happened when Arnold Schwarzenegger became governor of California. Good intentions, but there was just too much to deal with.

[Roundball_Rock]

Obama has actual accomplishments. Obama is the most important president since Reagan.

[Rocket]

:facepalm If done objectively Obama should be ranked near the bottom. He did nothing but almost destroy healthcare legislatively. He was the king of the politics of division (rich v. poor, black v. white, female v. male, etc...). He presided over the most crooked DOJ and FBI in history who manufactured a fake Russian collusion narrative to spy on the Trump campaign and later his administration. He presided over the worst economic recovery in history and if you get down to it he did nothing but let the Federal Reserve manage the monetary policy with low interest rates and "quantitative easing" aka printing money. All in all he ran one of the most scandalous administrations in history (bad enough to make Nixon blush). He was basically a shit stain as a President and that has absolutely nothing to do with skin color.

[Axe]

Obama has actual accomplishments. Obama is the most important president since Reagan.
Lmao :lol

[DoctorP]

rankings are stupid.

this.

I loved Obama but as time passes I'm seeing larger holes in his game.

Did you know he assigned the word "Oriental" as a racist term?

ABSURD!

this is what this guy was working on as black people revolted in Dallas? ok strange generalization but... Obama has flaws.

[Hawker]

Trust me when I say Trump started this whole bowl of wax

You can really tell who the baby boomer that watches too much mainstream news is.

[Manny98]

Obama was the worst president ever

How are you the first black president and let Donald Trump of all people accomplish more for black community's than you did :facepalm

[Gabe Ball]

Obama was the worst president ever

How are you the first black president and let Donald Trump of all people accomplish more for black community's than you did :facepalm

Obama wasn't that bad, one of the better presidents personally. not top 5 though

[Axe]

Obama wasn't that bad, one of the better presidents personally. not top 5 though
He's also a warmonger like the other past commanders-in-chief.

[TheMan]

:facepalm If done objectively Obama should be ranked near the bottom. He did nothing but almost destroy healthcare legislatively. He was the king of the politics of division (rich v. poor, black v. white, female v. male, etc...). He presided over the most crooked DOJ and FBI in history who manufactured a fake Russian collusion narrative to spy on the Trump campaign and later his administration. He presided over the worst economic recovery in history and if you get down to it he did nothing but let the Federal Reserve manage the monetary policy with low interest rates and "quantitative easing" aka printing money. All in all he ran one of the most scandalous administrations in history (bad enough to make Nixon blush). He was basically a shit stain as a President and that has absolutely nothing to do with skin color.

:biggums:

I can't tell if you really believe your own bullshit or just an awful troll...and I say this as someone who felt let down by Obama. :facepalm

[diamenz]

:facepalm If done objectively Obama should be ranked near the bottom. He did nothing but almost destroy healthcare legislatively. He was the king of the politics of division (rich v. poor, black v. white, female v. male, etc...). He presided over the most crooked DOJ and FBI in history who manufactured a fake Russian collusion narrative to spy on the Trump campaign and later his administration. He presided over the worst economic recovery in history and if you get down to it he did nothing but let the Federal Reserve manage the monetary policy with low interest rates and "quantitative easing" aka printing money. All in all he ran one of the most scandalous administrations in history (bad enough to make Nixon blush). He was basically a shit stain as a President and that has absolutely nothing to do with skin color.

here's a challenge 4 u - name ONE thing that obama did well. i'd challenge your tribal equivalent on the left, bladefd to do the same regarding trump if he's watching.

[bladefd]

here's a challenge 4 u - name ONE thing that obama did well. i'd challenge your tribal equivalent on the left, bladefd to do the same regarding trump if he's watching.

Trump is known for doing one thing then undermining himself a few days later.

-Play hard ball against China (even that can be questioned because he followed that up with asking China to interfere with his election so idk what to believe).
-prison reform
-banned bump stocks (then followed that by saying he is against required background check to buy a weapon)
-have other NATO countries contribute more money to NATO (then threatened to pull out of NATO)
-supported Hong Kong (then refused to talk about Hong Kong)
-had al-Baghdadi killed

He is an opportunistic person. He comments/does policy based on what is opportunistic to him from PR perspective and for his reelection bid. That makes it very difficult to figure out exactly where he stands. He is unstable, inconsistent and fake. His staff+advisors are a constant revolving door.

[Pointguard]

Trump is known for doing one thing then undermining himself a few days later.

-Play hard ball against China (even that can be questioned because he followed that up with asking China to interfere with his election so idk what to believe).
-prison reform
-banned bump stocks (then followed that by saying he is against required background check to buy a weapon)
-have other NATO countries contribute more money to NATO (then threatened to pull out of NATO)
-supported Hong Kong (then refused to talk about Hong Kong)
-had al-Baghdadi killed

He is an opportunistic person. He comments/does policy based on what is opportunistic to him from PR perspective and for his reelection bid. That makes it very difficult to figure out exactly where he stands. He is unstable, inconsistent and fake. His staff+advisors are a constant revolving door.

You forgot to add that he had a plan for the Corona Virus. And guess who blamed him for not preparing him for such a matter.

[Whoah10115]

Whenever anyone claims Obama(or even Trump) are the worst ever ask them about Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, or Warren Harding and see if they even have an opinion. Usually they wont.The people from our lives get that emotional attachment that makes some call them best or worst ever with no real evidence.Whatever you think of either Obama or Trump neither could do the damage some of those old presidents did.

Lol at anyone caring about Teapot Dome, the most scandal-filled administration, or the most incompetent guy. Hoover has the Great Depression so will always be worst to most.

Not that he shouldn't be, but I've long been amazed at the lack of knowledge over Harding. He was quite bad. Johnson was incompetent. And no one talks about Grant.