10-0 in Game 7's Russell dominated on defense the same way MJ dominated on offense

[AirBonner]

Except he took it to the next level.

Bill Russell is a ****ing winner. Nobody else plays the best when the chips are down, and his 10-0 stat in Game 7s backs that up.

First off, his career averages:

42 minutes, 15 points, 23 rebounds, 4.3 assists, 2.7 fouls, 44% FG and 56% FT

Playoff averages:

45 minutes, 16 points, 25 rebounds, 4.7 assists, 3.3 fouls, 43% FG and 60% FT

Game 7 stats:

'57 Finals vs STL in 54 minutes: 19 points, 32 rebounds, 2 assists, 5 fouls, 41% FG on 7/17 and 50% FT on 5/10

'59 vs SYR in 46 minutes: 18 points, 32 rebounds, 2 assists, 6 fouls, 35% FG on 8/23 and 100% FT on 2/2

'60 Finals vs STL in 47 minutes: 22 points, 35 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 fouls, 47% FG on 7/15 and 80% FT on 8/10

'62 vs PHW in 48 minutes: 19 points, 22 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 fouls, 50% FG on 7/14 and 100% FT on 5/5

'62 Finals vs LAL in 53 minutes: 30 points, 40 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 fouls, 44% FG on 8/18 and 82% FT on 14/17

'63 vs CIN in 48 minutes: 20 points, 24 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 fouls, 57% FG on 8/14 and 67% FT on 4/6

'65 vs PHI in 48 minutes: 15 points, 29 rebounds, 8 assists, 3 fouls, 44% FG on 7/16 and 50% FT on 1/2

'66 Finals vs LAL in 48 minutes: 25 points, 32 rebounds, 1 assist, 5 fouls, 46% FG on 10/22 and 100% FT on 5/5

'68 vs PHI in 48 minutes: 12 points, 26 rebounds, 5 assists, 5 fouls, 67% FG on 4/6 and 40% FT on 4/10

'69 Finals vs LAL in 48 minutes: 6 points, 21 rebounds, 6 assists, 5 fouls, 29% FG on 2/7 and 50% FT on 2/4

Those are averages in 49 minutes: 19 points, 29 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 fouls, 47% FG and 71% FT on 7/15 FG/FGA and 5/7 FT/FTA
In Game 7s in the Finals alone: 50 minutes, 20 points, 32 rebounds, 3 assists, 4 fouls, 44% FG and 78% FT on 7/16 FG/FGA and 7/9 FT/FTA
Bill Russell steps the **** up when it matters.

Russell averaged 22 rebounds and ~8 blocks per game. Those numbers are silly, even though they include his washed-up and player/coach years. For context, Hakeem averaged 11 and 3.
He's the best defensive player of all time, to the point where he dominated games in the way that the best offensive players of all time like Jordan and LeBron do. We just don't have any recent defense-first players who were able to dominate the same way he did, making it impossible to find a recent comparison. There might never be a player similar to Russell.

[getting_old]

He only really lost due to an ankle injury early in his career and against the 67 Sixers that were 25 points better than Boston

Wilt only won when his teams were a minimum of 22 points better.

[Carbine]

The FT percentage is incredible vs what his normal percentage was. He stepped up.

[Shooter]

The Rings GOAT = William Felton Russell

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Bill_Russell_University_of_San_Francisco%2C_color_ edition.jpg

[3ball]

not mvp-caliber in the modern era because all modern MVPs are dominant offensive players

but carry on .. MJ is the ring goat for 3-pointer basketball/modern era

btw..... goat SG defender + goat scorer = goat 2-way player = goat

[AlternativeAcc.]

not mvp-caliber in the modern era because all modern MVPs are dominant offensive players

but carry on .. MJ is the ring goat for 3-pointer basketball/modern era

btw..... goat SG defender + goat scorer = goat 2-way player = goat
90s isnt the modern era

90s ball is closer to 60s ball than is it to modern ball

Jordan isn't even top 5 in his own era. He's behind bird, kareem, magic, Russell, and wilt

SGs historically have less impact than bigs and forwards and Baldan is no exception, and he was never close to being his teams best defender

You lose

[Soundwave]

90s isnt the modern era

90s ball is closer to 60s ball than is it to modern ball

Jordan isn't even top 5 in his own era. He's behind bird, kareem, magic, Russell, and wilt

SGs historically have less impact than bigs and forwards and Baldan is no exception, and he was never close to being his teams best defender

You lose

lol, only in fantasy land. In 6-7 years no one will give a crap about LeBald, you'll have to explain it to young kids who don't give a crap about someone that's no longer playing.

[AlternativeAcc.]

lol, only in fantasy land. In 6-7 years no one will give a crap about LeBald, you'll have to explain it to young kids who don't give a crap about someone that's no longer playing.

Thats about the time his son will be entering the NBA, so we'll have another 20ish years of the James blood in the NBA

How did jordans kids end up btw? Defenerate losers like their pops?

[Shooter]

90s isnt the modern era

90s ball is closer to 60s ball than is it to modern ball

Jordan isn't even top 5 in his own era. He's behind bird, kareem, magic, Russell, and wilt

SGs historically have less impact than bigs and forwards and Baldan is no exception, and he was never close to being his teams best defender

You lose

Agreed. How can anyone say modern ball is 90s when they still had illegal zone defense until 2002? A quick search will find this info for anyone.

Modern era - zone defense era = 2003+
Weak era - illegal zone defense = 2002 and before

[light]

Yeah but his teams were loaded to the brim.

[3ball]

90s isnt the modern era

90s ball is closer to 60s ball than is it to modern ball

Jordan isn't even top 5 in his own era. He's behind bird, kareem, magic, Russell, and wilt

SGs historically have less impact than bigs and forwards and Baldan is no exception, and he was never close to being his teams best defender

You lose

mj and lebron played against the same guys, aka Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Kobe, Kidd - these guys were all-stars in 98', but they aren't modern era?... Jordan won mvp over all of them

Grant hill, penny, drexler, Hakeem, Drob aren't modern era?... magic/bird?... carry on

[kawhileonard2]

When you going 7 games and winning game 7 by 1 point against a .500 win team what does that say?

[Vino24]

When you going 7 games and winning game 7 by 1 point against a .500 win team what does that say?

That the teams were evenly matched if you go to that many game 7’s

[NBAGOAT]

mj and lebron played against the same guys, aka Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Kobe, Kidd - these guys were all-stars in 98', but they aren't modern era?... Jordan won mvp over all of them

Grant hill, penny, drexler, Hakeem, Drob aren't modern era?... magic/bird?... carry on

original post is dumb but kareem and mj also played vs the same guys by this logic. ik you dont think the 70s compares to 90s.

[Roundball_Rock]

He wasn't a 0 on offense either. He was top 10 in assists four times (peaking at 5th) and top 20 twelve times. As a scorer, he was top 20 seven times (peaking at 15th rank-wise, 18.9 PPG as the high number). People think of him like a Rodman or Ben Wallace type player but he was a legit offensive contributor.

[Soundwave]

Thats about the time his son will be entering the NBA, so we'll have another 20ish years of the James blood in the NBA

How did jordans kids end up btw? Defenerate losers like their pops?

lol, you gonna stan for his kids? Good luck with that. I don't give a sh*t about any player's kids/siblings.

Maybe if Bronnie can combined 20 years on top of LeBron's 20 years they'll actually reach a total 6 championships by oh ... 2050.

[Vino24]

He wasn't a 0 on offense either. He was top 10 in assists four times (peaking at 5th) and top 20 twelve times. As a scorer, he was top 20 seven times (peaking at 15th rank-wise, 18.9 PPG as the high number). People think of him like a Rodman or Ben Wallace type player but he was a legit offensive contributor.
Facts. I like to think of him as a better hungrier Garnett. Aka the GOAT