The United States needs High-Speed Rail

[eliteballer]

Damn the special interests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qaf6baEu0_w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JDoll8OEFE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4hdA11CT2A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6W3Kv6mMzc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyJEQjabJjI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc6_3uNXcqc

[Cleverness]

The one-party state of California started its High Speed Rail Project in 2008.

It was supposed to be a $9.95 billion bond that would be repaid by private investors.

12 years later...

No private investors

$100 billion dollar big gov't boondoggle

Taxpayers scammed

No train

ETA pushed back to the year 2033

[Shogon]

The one-party state of California started its High Speed Rail Project in 2008.

It was supposed to be a $9.95 billion bond that would be repaid by private investors.

12 years later...

No private investors

$100 billion dollar big gov't boondoggle

Taxpayers scammed

No train

ETA pushed back to the year 2033

Give the project to Elon and it'll get done, lul.

[Axe]

Dream on lmao. Uncle sam has undying love for motor vehicles.

[bladefd]

The one-party state of California started its High Speed Rail Project in 2008.

It was supposed to be a $9.95 billion bond that would be repaid by private investors.

12 years later...

No private investors

$100 billion dollar big gov't boondoggle

Taxpayers scammed

No train

ETA pushed back to the year 2033

Sh!t like that pisses me off. The middlemen, politicians, whoever took all the money and nobody gets held accountable. That will be the downfall of this country as it was in Ancient Rome. Corruption and waste is what always brings nations down.

[Hawker]

California is the special interest. Scammed taxpayers across the US.

[Phong]

Give the project to Elon and it'll get done, lul.Elon couldn't even build a 3-mile long tunnel under LA. :confusedshrug:

[FKAri]

Sh!t like that pisses me off. The middlemen, politicians, whoever took all the money and nobody gets held accountable. That will be the downfall of this country as it was in Ancient Rome. Corruption and waste is what always brings nations down.
Too much incompetence, corruption, and meddling to let the govt handle stuff like this. You need the private sector. But no one wants to deal with the up front costs and gigantic investment needed.

[Patrick Chewing]

What happened to the Hyperloop project??

[BigKobeFan]

Damn the special interests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qaf6baEu0_w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JDoll8OEFE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4hdA11CT2A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6W3Kv6mMzc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyJEQjabJjI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc6_3uNXcqc

In california, they started a rail program about 15 years ago, all it built was a mile

[Axe]

If they build high speed rails there rn, how long do you think they would last? 2 years at the most?

[bladefd]

Too much incompetence, corruption, and meddling to let the govt handle stuff like this. You need the private sector. But no one wants to deal with the up front costs and gigantic investment needed.

Private sector can't raise a sum like $10 billion. They need immediate return on investment rather than 20yrs down the road. Only nation-states can afford those kinds of sums..

Private construction companies also know how to take advantage of the system so if government provides funds, private construction companies will simply delay-delay-delay the work years and years to keep sucking up money like leeches. Politicians allow that to continue because they are in on it or because they hire a company they are in bed with or because they are simply too inept. Politicians fund a project then leave office in 4-6yrs and the project dies with partial money already spent. Someone else comes along, they may decide to kill the partially-finished project or decide to throw more money at it.

All returns to corruption and lack of accountability.

[LAmbruh]

The first section from San Fernando to Fresno was nearly complete until Trump pulled funding to satisfy his Big Oil buddies


Shame, his admin single handedly setting us back into medieval times of technology




https://i.postimg.cc/cHjBH6h6/fgkgyktk.png

https://i.postimg.cc/zvbbyBQ2/hsr.jpg

[BigKobeFan]

The first section from San Fernando to Fresno was nearly complete until Trump pulled funding to satisfy his Big Oil buddies


Shame, his admin single handedly setting us back into medieval times of technology




https://i.postimg.cc/cHjBH6h6/fgkgyktk.png

https://i.postimg.cc/zvbbyBQ2/hsr.jpg

Actually gruesom pulled the plug

[eliteballer]

What you dopes are missing is that the problems the California project has had are due to the exact same issues that plague governance and development everywhere in this country.

[highwhey]

watch season 2 of true detective to understand why that will never pan out in california lol

[warriorfan]

Public transportation is lame. We need better ways to depopulate, not better ways to shuttle all the useless eaters back and forth. **** them.

[Patrick Chewing]

Teleportation is the future.

[Hawker]

What you dopes are missing is that the problems the California project has had are due to the exact same issues that plague governance and development everywhere in this country.

California is a shit hole. Hope that helps.

[scuzzy]

watch season 2 of true detective to understand why that will never pan out in california lol
Season 2 had splashes of Epstein in it too

City of Vinci in the show was based off the industrial City of Vernon in LA and it's political scandals as well

I like it, Season 1 was just too good to one-up

[Cleverness]

The first section from San Fernando to Fresno was nearly complete until Trump pulled funding to satisfy his Big Oil buddies


Shame, his admin single handedly setting us back into medieval times of technology




Uhh, I always thought you were the dumb alter ego of Fultz, but I can no longer tell. If you're trolling, well done.

The one-party state of California started its High Speed Rail Project in 2008 - long before Trump.

It was supposed to be a $9.95 billion bond that would be repaid by private investors. It's now a $100B boondoggle with completion ETA of 2033.

But it's Trump's fault because he didn't want another ~$1 billion of taxpayer dollars into more waste? :facepalm

[highwhey]

California is a shit hole. Hope that helps.

you need to visit Yosemite and Sequoia National Park breh

[LAmbruh]

The first section from San Fernando to Fresno was nearly complete until Trump pulled funding to satisfy his Big Oil buddies


Shame, his admin single handedly setting us back into medieval times of technology




https://i.postimg.cc/cHjBH6h6/fgkgyktk.png

https://i.postimg.cc/zvbbyBQ2/hsr.jpg
...

[LAmbruh]

Bunker boy wants us to go back to using "clean coal" and steam engines :oldlol:

[Hawker]

...

Trump helping out the US taxpayers by not wasting money on an absolute boondoggle. It's not problem to drive around in California with how it's set up and there's already AmTrak there. Waste of money.

[Hawker]

Private sector can't raise a sum like $10 billion. They need immediate return on investment rather than 20yrs down the road. Only nation-states can afford those kinds of sums..

Private construction companies also know how to take advantage of the system so if government provides funds, private construction companies will simply delay-delay-delay the work years and years to keep sucking up money like leeches. Politicians allow that to continue because they are in on it or because they hire a company they are in bed with or because they are simply too inept. Politicians fund a project then leave office in 4-6yrs and the project dies with partial money already spent. Someone else comes along, they may decide to kill the partially-finished project or decide to throw more money at it.

All returns to corruption and lack of accountability.

You just explained the problem with government funded infrastructure. Good job. The perfect world of private companies always acting ethically and politicians staying in power forever doesn't exist.

If the investment made sense, the private sector would fund it.

[LAmbruh]

Donald Diapers worrying about taxpayer money wasted :yaohappy:


https://i.postimg.cc/1ttb2WJ6/ghkgkghkghk.png

[Hawker]

Donald Diapers worrying about taxpayer money wasted :yaohappy:


https://i.postimg.cc/1ttb2WJ6/ghkgkghkghk.png

"orange man bad"

[LAmbruh]

wow

https://i.postimg.cc/tCB13J8g/dfjhdftj.png (https://postimages.org/)


meanwhile


https://i.postimg.cc/1ttb2WJ6/ghkgkghkghk.png (https://postimages.org/)


yikes

[LAmbruh]

It's not problem to drive around in California with how it's set up

funny joke :oldlol:


https://storage.googleapis.com/titlemax-media/worst-traffic-congestion.jpg

[Stanley Kobrick]

The money will be used for building Mexico's wall to keep Covid Americans out

[Phong]

The first section from San Fernando to Fresno was nearly complete until Trump pulled funding to satisfy his Big Oil buddies


Shame, his admin single handedly setting us back into medieval times of technology




https://i.postimg.cc/cHjBH6h6/fgkgyktk.png

https://i.postimg.cc/zvbbyBQ2/hsr.jpg What a lie. That section was nowhere near completion and has now been canceled by Newsom because it was going nowhere. As if $1 billion was putting the whole project in jeopardy. :rolleyes:

The funding that was pulled out was originally authorized by the Obama administration under the condition that it would be completed by 2018. It was an incentive to develop the economy of the Central Valley.

They didn't build shit, so the funding was pulled back.

[Cleverness]

Uhh, I always thought you were the dumb alter ego of Fultz, but I can no longer tell. If you're trolling, well done.

The one-party state of California started its High Speed Rail Project in 2008 - long before Trump.

It was supposed to be a $9.95 billion bond that would be repaid by private investors. It's now a $100B boondoggle with completion ETA of 2033.

But it's Trump's fault because he didn't want another ~$1 billion of taxpayer dollars into more waste? :facepalm

^

btw no problem with presidents golfing. It's much less dangerous than destructive national policies. That government is best which governs least.

[Hawker]

funny joke :oldlol:


https://storage.googleapis.com/titlemax-media/worst-traffic-congestion.jpg

It's only bad in LA. Road trip I made in cali years ago was a breeze unless I drove through LA.

[LAmbruh]

> traffic is great in California
> i drove through once
> it's only bad in LA


:yaohappy:


https://i.postimg.cc/fbVM0j9w/fgjhfjfjf.png


keep the shit takes coming :oldlol:

[Cleverness]

It's only bad in LA. Road trip I made in cali years ago was a breeze unless I drove through LA.

ehh, it's pretty bad in CA cities during rush hours. bay area is about as bad as LA. but yeah, if you're doing a road trip there's a lot of rural CA with no traffic

[LAmbruh]

wow

https://i.postimg.cc/43TtxdMN/ghfgjfgj.png (https://postimages.org/)




meanwhile

https://i.postimg.cc/J0vNMQZG/fgjhfgjfgj.png

https://i.postimg.cc/Qdn8fngL/ghkghkgu.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Cleverness]

Bruh,

Say it with me now

California started its High Speed Rail Project in 2008 - long before Trump.

It was supposed to be a $9.95 billion bond that would be repaid by private investors.

It's now a $100 billion boondoggle with completion ETA of 2033.

Trump's decision to not waste yet another ~$1 billion of taxpayer dollars is not the problem.

[LAmbruh]

The first section from San Fernando to Fresno was nearly complete until Trump pulled funding to satisfy his Big Oil buddies


Shame, his admin single handedly setting us back into medieval times of technology




https://i.postimg.cc/cHjBH6h6/fgkgyktk.png

https://i.postimg.cc/zvbbyBQ2/hsr.jpg

....


https://i.postimg.cc/h4YPbGnD/fgjfjfgjghgh.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/T1BdRt0L/gkyultuyktuk.png (https://postimages.org/)

[bladefd]

You just explained the problem with government funded infrastructure. Good job. The perfect world of private companies always acting ethically and politicians staying in power forever doesn't exist.

If the investment made sense, the private sector would fund it.

Private sector will not fund anything that does not instantly boost up their bottom line. They also cannot possibly be able to raise sums in the tens of billions like nations and states can. If you look around the world, you will not find privately owned high speed rails. Not even AMTRAK can raise the funds for a high-speed rail without major assistance from government/tax money.

[Cleverness]

Private sector will not fund anything that does not instantly boost up their bottom line. They also cannot possibly be able to raise sums in the tens of billions like nations and states can. If you look around the world, you will not find privately owned high speed rails. Not even AMTRAK can raise the funds for a high-speed rail without major assistance from government/tax money.

Are there examples of the private sector funding things that do not instantly boost bottom line?

Are you sure it would cost tens of billions to build a train from SF to LA?

Has anyone stopped and asked if it's a good idea to build a 100 billion dollar choo-choo train from SF to LA with an estimated completion date of 2033?

[coin24]

Lol the public transport in the states is worse than third world countries, you guys are so far behind. LA traffic is a disgrace.
The Amtrak on the east coast is ok, but you should have rail links and especially high speed between cities all over the country like Japan. There's no reason LA can't set up rail and metro like Tokyo..

Maybe if you didn't have 400 levels of government bending over to corporations all day there.. actually never mind.. freedom etc etc

[Cleverness]

Lol the public transport in the states is worse than third world countries, you guys are so far behind. LA traffic is a disgrace.
The Amtrak on the east coast is ok, but you should have rail links and especially high speed between cities all over the country like Japan. There's no reason LA can't set up rail and metro like Tokyo..

Maybe if you didn't have 400 levels of government bending over to corporations all day there.. actually never mind.. freedom etc etc

Agreed with some of this, but cities all over the country like Japan? We have 2.6x the population, but 26x the size of Japan in area. LA, yeah, but like you said - we have 400 levels of government / unions / environmentalists / etc that make it difficult and expensive. And our gov't seems to only get bigger.

[Uncle Drew]

3rd world country.

[pastis]

Im frequently using high speed trains in germany and france. The route Nuremberg (bavaria) to Cologne (west germany) via Würzburg and Frankfurt in just 3 1/2 h with the ICE train. From Cologne to Brussels via Aachen and Lüttich in 1 1/2 h. Or Cologne to Paris in 3 h 45 min via Brussels. both with the Thalys train.

Saying that, Germany has one of the densest transportation networks. Even small cities are connected to the railway system. We have the ICE as a high speed train who connects just big cities ( 100.000 and above) And then many regional train networks who are connecting small and medium and big cities.

[Rolando]

The ICE train between Berlin and Hamburg takes 2hrs. With a car on the Autobahn, it takes 3hrs.

When you arrive after sitting on the train, listening to podcasts or reading, you are in much better shape than after hours of sitting in the car and hammering away on the Autobahn.

Anyway, as long as the automobile industry lobby is so strong, and also the oil lobby.......You aren't getting High-Speed rail in the States. Nope. Too bad. It would be perfect for such a big country with wide open spaces.

[scuzzy]

The ICE train between Berlin and Hamburg takes 2hrs. With a car on the Autobahn, it takes 3hrs.

When you arrive after sitting on the train, listening to podcasts or reading, you are in much better shape than after hours of sitting in the car and hammering away on the Autobahn.

Anyway, as long as the automobile industry lobby is so strong, and also the oil lobby.......You aren't getting High-Speed rail in the States. Nope. Too bad. It would be perfect for such a big country with wide open spaces.
United States has some of the most difficult geography for high speed rail, especially in comparison to Europe and China


$150m per mile



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qaf6baEu0_w

[Rolando]

United States has some of the most difficult geography for high speed rail, especially in comparison to Europe and China


$150m per mile



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qaf6baEu0_w

Excellent video. Pretty much spells it all out. Thanks.

And.....just a minor correction. The film says, (at 9:22) for high speed rail it is anywhere from 20-80m per mile. Still way too expensive.

[coin24]

The eurail system is a great way to get around, fantastic system.
I went on the high speed from Barcelona to Madrid, travels about 300km an hour, superb

[Axe]

United States has some of the most difficult geography for high speed rail, especially in comparison to Europe and China


$150m per mile



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qaf6baEu0_w
Courtesy for building so much roads.

[eliteballer]

Japan’s terrain is mostly mountainous and they’ve built it, not an excuse.

[bladefd]

Are there examples of the private sector funding things that do not instantly boost bottom line?

Are you sure it would cost tens of billions to build a train from SF to LA?

Has anyone stopped and asked if it's a good idea to build a 100 billion dollar choo-choo train from SF to LA with an estimated completion date of 2033?

Of course, private sector has funded plenty of things without instant boost to bottom line but not while spending multiple billions up front. You need deep pockets up front and even deeper to maintain high speed rail annually. Private sector does not typically fund those sorts of high-risk investments that could take decades to break even.

High speed rail would cost multiple billions at the very least from SF to LA. It's not just a regular old train. High-speed trains like bullet trains don't work on regular train tracks. You need to build special rails and special trains. Those alone are very costly. And unfortunately government bureaucracy, corruption and politician term-limits make it difficult to build these decade-long projects.

100 billion is too much. China/Japan/France/etc doesn't spend anywhere close to those sums for their bullet trains so why should we?

[bladefd]

The ICE train between Berlin and Hamburg takes 2hrs. With a car on the Autobahn, it takes 3hrs.

When you arrive after sitting on the train, listening to podcasts or reading, you are in much better shape than after hours of sitting in the car and hammering away on the Autobahn.

Anyway, as long as the automobile industry lobby is so strong, and also the oil lobby.......You aren't getting High-Speed rail in the States. Nope. Too bad. It would be perfect for such a big country with wide open spaces.

Yup, car industry and oil lobbyists have America by the balls. That is another reason.

[bladefd]

United States has some of the most difficult geography for high speed rail, especially in comparison to Europe and China


$150m per mile



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qaf6baEu0_w

That's not true. You can still connect similar terrains. Like terrains to the west of the Rocky mountains is pretty similar. Terrains to the east of the Appalachian mountains is pretty similar. You don't necessarily need to link California to New York across the entire country. Just link east coast to east coast and west coast to west coast. If you are traveling cross country then a plane is the quickest way to go. You can also inter-connect big states like Texas.

[imdaman99]

Out of curiosity I looked up how long it would take for me in NYC to get to my brother and niece in Sacramento by train in a sleeper car. It said more than 3 days. I was like screw it that's not an option. As much as I would enjoy the scenery, rail is not an option that far lol

[Hawker]

Lol the public transport in the states is worse than third world countries, you guys are so far behind. LA traffic is a disgrace.
The Amtrak on the east coast is ok, but you should have rail links and especially high speed between cities all over the country like Japan. There's no reason LA can't set up rail and metro like Tokyo..

Maybe if you didn't have 400 levels of government bending over to corporations all day there.. actually never mind.. freedom etc etc

That project in Sydney that is out of control is something I don’t want in the US.

[eliteballer]

That project in Sydney that is out of control is something I don’t want in the US.

Classic red stater who’s state takes in more federal funds than it pays in taxes, California’s economy dominates any trash red state, btw don’t forget to clarify you work in the fossil fuel industry.

[Hawker]

Classic red stater who’s state takes in more federal funds than it pays in taxes, California’s economy dominates any trash red state, btw don’t forget to clarify you work in the fossil fuel industry.

Then take care of your own state and build the damn thing yourself. Stop funding illegals.

[eliteballer]

Then take care of your own state and build the damn thing yourself.

Sure, just as soon as you mooching red states return our tax revenue..

[Axe]

Then take care of your own state and build the damn thing yourself. Stop funding illegals.
:roll:

[coin24]

That project in Sydney that is out of control is something I don’t want in the US.

The light rail? In the end I think they spent around $2b, but it links a lot of suburbs that had no rail before and links up to all the major destinations across the city. Could have been cheaper but what do you expect from government. At least this one has added much needed highways and rail projects. Disagree with the idiotic amount of high rise apartments they've green lit creating future slums though.

LA could use a decent rail network, doesn't even have to be high speed. The only one they have joins hollywood to staples basically, it's pathetic.

[eliteballer]

Does Australia have a light rail connecting Sydney, Melbourne, Canberra? All the major cities are on the coast I believe.

[Axe]

Japan’s terrain is mostly mountainous and they’ve built it, not an excuse.
Because japan always had great urban planning way back even before the 20th century and the ones that they build there are resilient because we all know their geography is prone to natural disasters.

[coin24]

Does Australia have a light rail connecting Sydney, Melbourne, Canberra? All the major cities are on the coast I believe.

The main east coast places are Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. Theres normal rail between Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Sydney to Canberra. There should be high speed connecting all of it but I guess for similar reasons of cost, distance and not a lot of interest they havnt bothered.

Each city has plenty of public trains, trams and light rail to get around.

[coin24]

Because japan always had great urban planning way back even before the 20th century and the ones that they build there are resilient because we all know their geography is prone to natural disasters.

They also made the decision to get rid of most of the cars out of Tokyo, make registration extremely expensive and create a fantastic cheap to use train and metro system so you don't need to drive.. Tokyo is huge but you can reach any corner of it easily

[Axe]

They also made the decision to get rid of most of the cars out of Tokyo, make registration extremely expensive and create a fantastic cheap to use train and metro system so you don't need to drive.. Tokyo is huge but you can reach any corner of it easily
Well, I've been there to Tokyo twice already but i wouldn't exactly say their trains are cheap to use, if you mean the fare. :lol

Also, with the extensive rail network that they have there, going from north to southern japan (say from tokyo to fukuoka) is made possible via land travel obviously due to the presence or abundance of high speed rails like the shinkansen.

And since there are a lot of narrow roads & streets there, kei cars are quite common as well, something that would attract practical locals because those things have some exemptions from tax, unlike bigger cars.

[coin24]

Well, I've been there to Tokyo twice already but i wouldn't exactly say their trains are cheap to use, if you mean the fare. :lol

Also, with the extensive rail network that they have there, going from north to southern japan (say from tokyo to fukuoka) is made possible via land travel obviously due to the presence or abundance of high speed rails like the shinkansen.

And since there are a lot of narrow roads & streets there, kei cars are quite common as well, something that would attract practical locals because those things have some exemptions from tax, unlike bigger cars.

Travelling on the Shinkansen is definitely a great experience, much more enjoyable than jerking around with airports and travelling to and from.
We get a japan rail pass in Australia before we leave, so for a set price you can use the service as much as you like
. Same as the eurail pass

[Axe]

Travelling on the Shinkansen is definitely a great experience, much more enjoyable than jerking around with airports and travelling to and from.
We get a japan rail pass in Australia before we leave, so for a set price you can use the service as much as you like
. Same as the eurail pass
Lol me and my fam also tried that back then from two years ago. We landed in the airport at fukuoka during the night and immediately, we took the bullet train to hiroshima.

The whole trip was almost around 190 miles but it only took us 45 minutes to reach our destination in the city and there were some stopovers along the way. The rail pass takes at least 9000 yen per person if I'm not mistaken but it was sweet.

On the other hand, it would take at least 3 hours if the said trip was travelled via bus instead.

[eliteballer]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-promised-railroad-revolution-could-134400412.html

[eliteballer]

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/amtrak-joe-bidens-infrastructure-push-put-rail-back/story?id=77241007

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/amtrak-joe-bidens-infrastructure-push-100414758.html

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-focus-infrastructure-event-celebrating-100652286.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-focus-infrastructure-with-event-celebrating-trains-2021-04-30/

[Cleverness]

What's the demand for a choo choo train that travels to/from Bakersfield to Wichita? To Dallas from LA? (Could there be a better way?)

How's California's Boondoggle Train project doing?

[hiphopanonymous]

High speed rail makes no financial sense in the U.S.

Most of our major metropolitan areas are too far away from each other so the cost of material to profit ratio is abysmal for a concept like high speed rail - this isn't Europe or Japan.

This is also why Elon Musks bullshit about a tunnel is laughable. He's a con artist taking peoples investments for that dead end lol

[eliteballer]

High speed rail makes no financial sense in the U.S.

Most of our major metropolitan areas are too far away from each other so the cost of material to profit ratio is abysmal for a concept like high speed rail - this isn't Europe or Japan.

This is also why Elon Musks bullshit about a tunnel is laughable. He's a con artist taking peoples investments for that dead end lol

You can connect regions IE California, the Northeast, Texas Triangle etc.

[FultzNationRISE]

You can connect regions IE California, the Northeast, Texas Triangle etc.

Yeah thats what planes do big guy.

[welfarefan]

OP is Chinese and thinks we need to emulate their infrastructure because he watched some Bill Nye episode

[Axe]

OP is Chinese and thinks we need to emulate their infrastructure because he watched some Bill Nye episode
This is why sneaker prices are out of control as we speak :(

[AirBonner]

If the United States got a high speed rail that would mean more jobs for RR3, Axe and Doctorp

[bladefd]

High speed rail makes no financial sense in the U.S.

Most of our major metropolitan areas are too far away from each other so the cost of material to profit ratio is abysmal for a concept like high speed rail - this isn't Europe or Japan.

This is also why Elon Musks bullshit about a tunnel is laughable. He's a con artist taking peoples investments for that dead end lol

Cross-country would cost too much and does not make sense. However, connecting similar terrains is feasible and worth it. Like one for northeast from DC to NYC, another from DC to Atlanta, another from Atlanta to Dallas then Dallas to San Diego and LA to San Francisco. 5 different high speed rails covering certain parts of the country.

My worry would be on the costs being overrun - everyone is out to scam and with corrupt politicians, it's easy for the scamming to happen. It needs strict regular inspections to make sure costs are not overrun. Do regular inspections and perhaps make the payments based on work done. As parts are completed and on time, make the payments. I don't like anyone getting paid before the work is done.

[FultzNationRISE]

Cross-country would cost too much and does not make sense. However, connecting similar terrains is feasible and worth it. Like one for northeast from DC to NYC, another from DC to Atlanta, another from Atlanta to Dallas then Dallas to San Diego and LA to San Francisco. 5 different high speed rails covering certain parts of the country.

My worry would be on the costs being overrun - everyone is out to scam and with corrupt politicians, it's easy for the scamming to happen. It needs strict regular inspections to make sure costs are not overrun. Do regular inspections and perhaps make the payments based on work done. As parts are completed and on time, make the payments. I don't like anyone getting paid before the work is done.

Do you have any idea how far it is from Dallas to San Diego? Building a vast railroad across a desert when people can simply fly is utterly pointless.

And I'm pretty sure there already is a train between NYC and DC, no?

The bullet train from LA to San Fransisco was approved in 2008 and will be lucky to be HALFWAY done by 2030.

This is just another topic that gets framed as a "progressive ideal" so that a handful of people can get rich.

[Cleverness]

Do you have any idea how far it is from Dallas to San Diego? Building a vast railroad across a desert when people can simply fly is utterly pointless.

And I'm pretty sure there already is a train between NYC and DC, no?

The bullet train from LA to San Fransisco was approved in 2008 and will be lucky to be HALFWAY done by 2030.

This is just another topic that gets framed as a "progressive ideal" so that a handful of people can get rich.

:roll:

$100 billion boondoggle, way over budget, and maybe halfway done by 2030... :rockon:

[eliteballer]

Dopes, high speed rail would be cheaper, more convenient, and more environmentally friendly than air for regional travel.

[bladefd]

Dopes, high speed rail would be cheaper, more convenient, and more environmentally friendly than air for regional travel.

If you are traveling 3 states over, air travel is foolish way to travel tbh. Such a waste of fuel. You are better traveling in high speed rail because it is much more environmentally friendly and almost just as fast as a plane. Anyone suggesting traveling in plane for that short distance is a moron.

[FultzNationRISE]

Dopes, high speed rail would be cheaper, more convenient, and more environmentally friendly than air for regional travel.

Has the LA-SF train been cheaper and more convenient?

Now quadruple that project for a "DAL-SD" rail. Because, you know, tens of thousands of people need to make that trip day in and day out. It is an absolute must.

Also building a big rail track across the natural landscape is definitely the environmental bees knees. Meanwhile a handful of flights each day will cause Miami to sink underneath the glaciers any day now. It is an absolute catastrophe waiting to happen, and we can only save ourselves by running out and getting a shot from a big pharmaceutical company. Or something. Because #progressive.



https://media.tenor.com/images/9e2c2acfa3bc7b939b84ab5d84f1cb8e/tenor.gif

[eliteballer]

If you are traveling 3 states over, air travel is foolish way to travel tbh. Such a waste of fuel. You are better traveling in high speed rail because it is much more environmentally friendly and almost just as fast as a plane. Anyone suggesting traveling in plane for that short distance is a moron.


The dopes have no conception of what's good for society as a whole.

[hold this L]

The one-party state of California started its High Speed Rail Project in 2008.

It was supposed to be a $9.95 billion bond that would be repaid by private investors.

12 years later...

No private investors

$100 billion dollar big gov't boondoggle

Taxpayers scammed

No train

ETA pushed back to the year 2033

Who is accountable for this cluster****?

[FultzNationRISE]

Who is accountable for this cluster****?


Well the public did vote on it. A state full of “eliteballers” are not hard to con.

They have only themselves to blame.

[Norcaliblunt]

If built on a nation wide scale connecting the whole country I think it could bring us all together and stop some of the divisiveness that’s been going on. It would have more people out there traveling getting to know the country again. Some cool new towns with attractions would pop up along it. Too bad the politics, money, and the fact no one gives a shit about any of this stops it from happening. We can dream though. But yeah shit ain’t happening anytime in any good level.

[FultzNationRISE]

If built on a nation wide scale connecting the whole country I think it could bring us all together and stop some of the divisiveness that’s been going on. It would have more people out there traveling getting to know the country again. Some cool new towns with attractions would pop up along it. Too bad the politics, money, and the fact no one gives a shit about any of this stops it from happening. We can dream though. But yeah shit ain’t happening anytime in any good level.

:roll:

[Norcaliblunt]

:roll:

Only thing that can stop the civil war that’s coming. I’m calling it right now. Book it.

If Germany builds the autobahn in the 20’s we don’t get Hitler.

[eliteballer]

You dopes are confusing the United States inability to build infrastructure because of red tape, bureaucracy, and lobbying by special interests with the actual good infrastructure projects like high-speed rail would do once built.

[Jasper]

at one point I was indifferent to this thought process / but our world is becoming over populated and so the this is a good idea.

Otherwise we would have more cars and more planes and our air pollution would become even a bigger problem'

[Cleverness]

Well the public did vote on it. A state full of “eliteballers” are not hard to con.

They have only themselves to blame.

But the result was produced by the system we have. If the system didn't exist, it would have never happened.

https://media.tenor.com/images/685ccf065b469717dc5fa9255af8e5cd/tenor.gif


If built on a nation wide scale connecting the whole country I think it could bring us all together and stop some of the divisiveness that’s been going on. It would have more people out there traveling getting to know the country again. Some cool new towns with attractions would pop up along it. Too bad the politics, money, and the fact no one gives a shit about any of this stops it from happening. We can dream though. But yeah shit ain’t happening anytime in any good level.

Yes, I think it could bring us all together, but only if it requires 2-year-olds to wear masks and everyone to have a vaccine passport.

[FultzNationRISE]

But the result was produced by the system we have. If the system didn't exist, it would have never happened.

https://media.tenor.com/images/685ccf065b469717dc5fa9255af8e5cd/tenor.gif




Yeah but there is no system where political conmen dont sell wolf tickets to the public.

It’s... the human system.

[FKAri]

You dopes are confusing the United States inability to build infrastructure because of red tape, bureaucracy, and lobbying by special interests with the actual good infrastructure projects like high-speed rail would do once built.

The public sector is too incompetent to do it and the private sector is not willing to risk the up front costs. That's really all there is to it. China got it done but their govt structure allows them to undertake large projects if someone at the top believes it can work and they can tell competing interests to stfu.

[FultzNationRISE]

The public sector is too incompetent to do it and the private sector is not willing to risk the up front costs. That's really all there is to it. China got it done but their govt structure allows them to undertake large projects if someone at the top believes it can work and they can tell competing interests to stfu.


Not to mention China has 3x the population in a roughly equal landmass, so in that sense mass transit has three times the value.

There are simply not that many people in the US with a need to travel from San Antonio to Atlanta on a regular basis.

In fact what’s funny is, I‘ve used a fair amount of public transit myself in various American cities, and you see hardly ANY middle/upper middle class ‘progressives’ riding the bus to help save the planet. It’s almost exclusively poor/working class people riding that shit. Those people arent galavanting from city to city. And all the progressive posers who champion fancy electric railways simply bc they think it fits their image, are still gonna fly when it’s convenient to save 1,2,3 hours off their trip.

Relative to cost, “electric railways around America” just arent necessary. They sound great bc people assume everyone will use them whenever they go anywhere. Actually most people will still find it more convenient to either bring their car, or save time by flying. Trains are the worst of both worlds from a convenience standpoint. The demand will not be what partisan simpletons like OP think it will.

[FultzNationRISE]

^ And with that said, it will likely EVENTUALLY happen. Technology is going to massively makeover our world and eventually huge numbers of people probably will have the time and luxury to travel around any time they please.

But we might as well wait until smart computers/robots can simply build the necessary tracks - in nonstop 24 hour cycles at a fraction of the cost. There is not so much demand currently that we cant wait 5, 10, 15 years or however long it will be til that day comes.

[Draz]

Where the fck are our tax dollars going? A wall that mfers can climb over or dig under?

Knowing us we'd have a high speed rail that'll have multiple incidents of coming off track.

The fcking subways in NYC are trash and nyc has the best subways and trains.

[Rolando]

High Speed Rail takes a level of infrstructure that needs to be built up and takes a while. This stuff didn't just pop up overnight in Europe. They invested decades of time and research while constantly improving the trains and the rails themselves. In the US, they just haven't really developed the train but instead focused on automobiles. The rails and the rail beds have to be totally rebuilt. The tolerances have to be super tight if you want a huge train to be rolling down at track at 120mph. The distance between the rails has to be absolutely perfect all along the way. There can be no unwelded joints between rails. The transitions at the welds have to be perfect and invisible. There has to be fencing to keep animals and people completely of the track. The tracks have to even be X-rayed periodically to check for cracks and fractures.....There's a lot that goes into it.

At some point is it going to happen. I can tell you that riding the ICE trains here in Germany is quite nice. You get to where you want to go fast and you are fresh when you arrive. It isn't cheap though.

[eliteballer]

Not to mention China has 3x the population in a roughly equal landmass, so in that sense mass transit has three times the value.

There are simply not that many people in the US with a need to travel from San Antonio to Atlanta on a regular basis.

In fact what’s funny is, I‘ve used a fair amount of public transit myself in various American cities, and you see hardly ANY middle/upper middle class ‘progressives’ riding the bus to help save the planet. It’s almost exclusively poor/working class people riding that shit. Those people arent galavanting from city to city. And all the progressive posers who champion fancy electric railways simply bc they think it fits their image, are still gonna fly when it’s convenient to save 1,2,3 hours off their trip.

Relative to cost, “electric railways around America” just arent necessary. They sound great bc people assume everyone will use them whenever they go anywhere. Actually most people will still find it more convenient to either bring their car, or save time by flying. Trains are the worst of both worlds from a convenience standpoint. The demand will not be what partisan simpletons like OP think it will.

Lol...some child who spends his life worshipping LeBron on ish and playing video games is telling us about the civic welfare of the country. If you build it..they will come. If you can integrate regions better with rail and make it easier to travel it will promote more movement of people, and thus the expansion of commerce, goods, services etc. you are literally arguing against improving infrastructure and economic integration. Even expanding high speed rail within huge metros like New York Atlanta or LA would do a ton to alleviate traffic congestion.

[FultzNationRISE]

Lol...some child who spends his life worshipping LeBron on ish and playing video games is telling us about the civic welfare of the country. If you build it..they will come. If you can integrate regions better with rail and make it easier to travel it will promote more movement of people, and thus the expansion of commerce, goods, services etc. you are literally arguing against improving infrastructure and economic integration. Even expanding high speed rail within huge metros like New York Atlanta or LA would do a ton to alleviate traffic congestion.

First of all, LEAVE LEBRON OUT OF THIS.

Secondly, there's an infinite number of things you "could do" in any area, that would provide some kind of theoretical benefit. That doesn't mean the cost-benefit ratio of every pie-in-the-sky is favorable.

The US isn't Europe. Our population is 50% less, and we dont have a continent-wide string of large cities along a roughly similar latitude. There's nothing between Dallas and San Diego. There's nothing between Dallas and Atlanta. If there are sensible improvements to be made to the NYC/Philly/DC etc rail pipeline, sure. High population density, relatively close together. That's a good spot to have high speed rail, and I'm pretty sure we already do.

A rail line across ALABAMA, MISSISSIPPI AND LOUISIANA... not quite as necessary.

But look. If you think this project, which will further enrich a handful of billionaires, tangibly improves YOUR life... then go for it. Sign off. Give em your support.

I don't personally think randomly connecting Dallas and San Diego by railway notably improves quality of life for the "99%". It's pretty unimportant in the big picture, when we already have cars and planes, and the demand for a southwest trip-by-train of that distance would be quite limited.

But.. whatever. If this is a big deal to you, I guess that's your prerogative.

[FultzNationRISE]

Also, to be clear, I don't have a blanket opposition to high speed rail ideas that make SENSE.

I'm opposed to the mindless cheerleading of the concept from guys like eliteballer and bladefd who aren't really thinking about the specifics, and just wanna force the idea regardless because "it's progressive!"

There may be some practical routes worth adding at some point. Perhaps a curved S.E. route that goes Houston - Austin - Dallas - Little Rock - Memphis - Nashville - Atlanta.

But again, just because that train would be convenient versus the simple idea of "not having the train" doesn't mean it's the best way for America to spend its labor capital right now. Specific proposals would have to be debated on merit, and an honest assessment of demand would have to be considered.

Not simply "Yo, we gotta do a bunch of electric rail SOMEWHERE, bc progress yall!"

[Objectivity]

It’s difficult to pull this off in US where you have to worry about high labour & capital costs, not to mention the land issue where China could basically just expropriate.

[Chick Stern]

The Los Angeles to Vegas should be the first section. It’ll pay for everything else.
Build a Vegas to maybe Chicago next. Then NY to Chicago, and/or SF to LA.
Then get a Southern route to Vegas built.
#wilecoyotesupergenius

[Cleverness]

The Los Angeles to Vegas should be the first section. It’ll pay for everything else.
Build a Vegas to maybe Chicago next. Then NY to Chicago, and/or SF to LA.
Then get a Southern route to Vegas built.
#wilecoyotesupergenius

Hmm, I suppose Vegas wouldn't mind a federally-funded train that connects all major cities directly to... Vegas.

How long would it take for a train to travel to Chicago from Vegas? How long until the train is built? :lol

[falc39]

A very interesting topic but complex. The main problem in transportation is economical in nature. We are broke. Go look at any government agency in charge of transportation and you will find that their budget is massively funding road repaving and street resurfacing compared to everything else. We are having issues just maintaining what we already built, which is something that should be considered before any new infrastructure goes in.

There once was a time when the US was railroad-dominated (anyone remember reading about the transcontinental railroad?). But politics, red-tape, the economy, and other factors of our time has far removed us from being able to produce infrastructure like that anymore.

[bladefd]

A very interesting topic but complex. The main problem in transportation is economical in nature. We are broke. Go look at any government agency in charge of transportation and you will find that their budget is massively funding road repaving and street resurfacing compared to everything else. We are having issues just maintaining what we already built, which is something that should be considered before any new infrastructure goes in.

There once was a time when the US was railroad-dominated (anyone remember reading about the transcontinental railroad?). But politics, red-tape, the economy, and other factors of our time has far removed us from being able to produce infrastructure like that anymore.

We have become too bloated since the 80s. Healthcare used to be affordable before then, but now we are just bleeding that money. Military industrial complex has run us under with two wars in Iraq in late 80s and early 00's by the Bush vampires sucking us of several trillion.

Clinton was the last president who could have afforded a push for something like high-speed rail, but he instead decided to keep the money in surplus for PR/political reasons. Republicans also controlled Congress and didn't do anything when they had a chance. I believe Clinton/Congress also allowed glass-steagul to die, and that allowed banks to suddenly take part in dangerous speculative trading with money they didn't have (while also loaning out money to everyone including those who couldn't pay it). Bush jr blew so much on Iraq war, hundreds of billions on pumping up homeland security/military industrial complex, and of course the recession was very costly for everyone.

Through all of these administrations, including Obama & Trump, healthcare costs kept on rising because none of them had the balls to take on the insurance companies & big pharma leeches. Then Donald's trade war with China and massive tax cuts to the wealthy. Since last year, we also had covid run havoc on the economy, Healthcare and country. We will need to recover a bit before we can talk about high-speed rail. I would put off that talk for a year or 2.

[FKAri]

Hmm, I suppose Vegas wouldn't mind a federally-funded train that connects all major cities directly to... Vegas.

How long would it take for a train to travel to Chicago from Vegas? How long until the train is built? :lol

It could get there really fast and be built really fast too if they wanted it. It would also cost a fortune to build and never pay for itself. The only places where high speed rail makes sense is in the Northeast and California. But again no one wants to foot the startup costs because they know there are competing interests who will kill the project and money will be lost.

[FultzNationRISE]

We have become too bloated since the 80s. Healthcare used to be affordable before then, but now we are just bleeding that money. Military industrial complex has run us under with two wars in Iraq in late 80s and early 00's by the Bush vampires sucking us of several trillion.

Clinton was the last president who could have afforded a push for something like high-speed rail, but he instead decided to keep the money in surplus for PR/political reasons. Republicans also controlled Congress and didn't do anything when they had a chance. I believe Clinton/Congress also allowed glass-steagul to die, and that allowed banks to suddenly take part in dangerous speculative trading with money they didn't have (while also loaning out money to everyone including those who couldn't pay it). Bush jr blew so much on Iraq war, hundreds of billions on pumping up homeland security/military industrial complex, and of course the recession was very costly for everyone.

Through all of these administrations, including Obama & Trump, healthcare costs kept on rising because none of them had the balls to take on the insurance companies & big pharma leeches. Then Donald's trade war with China and massive tax cuts to the wealthy. Since last year, we also had covid run havoc on the economy, Healthcare and country. We will need to recover a bit before we can talk about high-speed rail. I would put off that talk for a year or 2.


:lol

I love how he rattles off all the corruption and abuse and manipulation and dog-wagging the government has engaged in for decades...

...and then at the end lists covid as a serious thing that came out of nowhere :roll:


You my boy, blade!

[FultzNationRISE]

A very interesting topic but complex. The main problem in transportation is economical in nature. We are broke. Go look at any government agency in charge of transportation and you will find that their budget is massively funding road repaving and street resurfacing compared to everything else. We are having issues just maintaining what we already built, which is something that should be considered before any new infrastructure goes in.

There once was a time when the US was railroad-dominated (anyone remember reading about the transcontinental railroad?). But politics, red-tape, the economy, and other factors of our time has far removed us from being able to produce infrastructure like that anymore.

There was also a time when they dug canals between cities because the only alternative for shipping goods was sending it on the backs of animals.

Canals and rail were popular and viable because they were cutting edge and far better than the alternatives. There are too many alternatives now to high speed rail to make it worth the cost. If people are on a sight seeing road trip, or moving somewhere permanently, theyre gonna drive and bring their car. If theyre in a city for a one day business meeting , theyre gonna fly and save time.

Sure there would be some situations where people choose rail, but I dont think it would be as popular as proponents believe. As I said, we already have public transit in EVERY CITY. And yet...??? Nobody uses it, and the roads are gridlocked.

Why would people think it’d be any different with inter-city movement?? Everyone is Captain Planet when it comes to brainstorming how to use other people’s money. When it’s time to practice what they preach? They always opt for selfishness and convenience.

[Chick Stern]

Hmm, I suppose Vegas wouldn't mind a federally-funded train that connects all major cities directly to... Vegas.

How long would it take for a train to travel to Chicago from Vegas? How long until the train is built? :lol

Theme song has already been created :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bACKLW19XdE

[falc39]

There was also a time when they dug canals between cities because the only alternative for shipping goods was sending it on the backs of animals.

Canals and rail were popular and viable because they were cutting edge and far better than the alternatives. There are too many alternatives now to high speed rail to make it worth the cost. If people are on a sight seeing road trip, or moving somewhere permanently, theyre gonna drive and bring their car. If theyre in a city for a one day business meeting , theyre gonna fly and save time.

Sure there would be some situations where people choose rail, but I dont think it would be as popular as proponents believe. As I said, we already have public transit in EVERY CITY. And yet...??? Nobody uses it, and the roads are gridlocked.

Why would people think it’d be any different with inter-city movement?? Everyone is Captain Planet when it comes to brainstorming how to use other people’s money. When it’s time to practice what they preach? They always opt for selfishness and convenience.

I wasn't really making the argument that we should build high speed rail at a certain location or not. My argument was that we aren't in a good position economically to build it even if we wanted to. We aren't in a good position to build new roads either. We are broke.

[FultzNationRISE]

I wasn't really making the argument that we should build high speed rail at a certain location or not. My argument was that we aren't in a good position economically to build it even if we wanted to. We aren't in a good position to build new roads either. We are broke.

Yeah I know, I wasnt specifically arguing with you, just generally pointing out canals were in fashion once too, but technology provides so many options now that no one single option is in dramatic demand. The cost to build these would be vastly disproportionate to demand IMO.

As far as being broke, I guess the consolation is most of the money we owe is to Chinese bond holders and govt unions etc. So if anyone’s gettin stiffed at some point... it’s them :lol

(And ofc I understand there’s a ripple effect, but it’s kinda funny to think about those groups holding the bag one day)

[Axe]

I wasn't really making the argument that we should build high speed rail at a certain location or not. My argument was that we aren't in a good position economically to build it even if we wanted to. We aren't in a good position to build new roads either. We are broke.
Warfare is more important to them than infrastructures.

[eliteballer]

You...absolute dopes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaregions_of_the_United_States

Using high-speed rail within these regions to better connect them would be an absolute boon for their economies and civil society.

[FultzNationRISE]

You...absolute dopes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaregions_of_the_United_States

Using high-speed rail within these regions to better connect them would be an absolute boon for their economies and civil society.

Their economies would first have to pay for the project. Do you understand that’s a thing? Do you know how much that costs? Do you know basic economics?

It’s 2021. How much has the $100 billion train started in 2008 helped California’s economy?

Give us the dollar figure.

How much benefit has it brought to civil society over there?

You are a low IQ poster. Just keep your mouth shut.

[eliteballer]

Their economies would first have to pay for the project. Do you understand that’s a thing? Do you know how much that costs? Do you know basic economics?

It’s 2021. How much has the $100 billion train started in 2008 helped California’s economy?

Give us the dollar figure.

How much benefit has it brought to civil society over there?

You are a low IQ poster. Just keep your mouth shut.


A child with 20 accounts on ISH, posting 24/7 about LeBron and videogames....acting like they can possibly understand the cost/benefit analysis of something like this.

I'd be shocked if your even old enough to have paid taxes:roll:

They are literally putting together a national infrastructure plan encompassing trillions of dollars..........we can find the funding if the republicans and special interests are kept in check.

[FultzNationRISE]

A child with 20 accounts on ISH, posting 24/7 about LeBron and videogames....acting like they can possibly understand the cost/benefit analysis of something like this.

I'd be shocked if your even old enough to have paid taxes:roll:

They are literally putting together a national infrastructure plan encompassing trillions of dollars]..........we can find the funding if the republicans and special interests are kept in check.


Hey, disputes aside, Ive been wanting to ask you this for a while: do you have down syndrome?

Ive always thought you kinda seemed to, but obviously I cant confirm it without asking you.

[Ass Dan]

Americans don't want it. US is not a public transportation country, the infrastructure was built to benefit drivers and sellers and makers of cars. ****ing cul de sacs

[welfarefan]

Hey, disputes aside, Ive been wanting to ask you this for a while: do you have down syndrome?

Ive always thought you kinda seemed to, but obviously I cant confirm it without asking you.

OP has over 1500 posts quoting himself, let that sink in :oldlol:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?352391-Sneaker-Prices-Out-of-Control

[bladefd]

Americans don't want it. US is not a public transportation country, the infrastructure was built to benefit drivers and sellers and makers of cars. ****ing cul de sacs

We have horrendous public transportation across most of the country. Probably one of the worst public transportation of all developed countries. Even our subways and trains are pretty crap. I don't know if Americans are fine with lack of public transportation.

[warriorfan]

We have horrendous public transportation across most of the country. Probably one of the worst public transportation of all developed countries. Even our subways and trains are pretty crap. I don't know if Americans are fine with lack of public transportation.

I read this post in Donald Trump’s voice for some reason.

[eliteballer]

https://qz.com/2026497/where-us-high-speed-rail-may-work-la-las-vegas-chicago-texas/?utm_source=YPL

[Charlie Sheen]

We have horrendous public transportation across most of the country. Probably one of the worst public transportation of all developed countries. Even our subways and trains are pretty crap. I don't know if Americans are fine with lack of public transportation.

Do you use public transportation? I ride the bus to work. What is wrong with the bus system in this country?

[bladefd]

Do you use public transportation? I ride the bus to work. What is wrong with the bus system in this country?

It's non-existent in my suburban area. Probably ok in urban/city areas, idk. America is fairly spread out and probably difficult to do good busing without spending a lot of resources that may never make back what you spend. Other countries like in Europe have the advantage of being more densely packed and makes it worth spending more on public transportation like buses.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's non-existent in my suburban area. Probably ok in urban/city areas, idk. America is fairly spread out and probably difficult to do good busing without spending a lot of resources that may never make back what you spend. Other countries like in Europe have the advantage of being more densely packed and makes it worth spending more on public transportation like buses.



I had this discussion with a friend of mine recently. He said that the bus system in LA sucked. We talked about it more, and it became clear he wanted the bus to be as convenient as Uber :lol

Looks like I was a bit defensive with you on the topic. I apologize :cheers:

[FultzNationRISE]

I had this discussion with a friend of mine recently. He said that the bus system in LA sucked. We talked about it more, and it became clear he wanted the bus to be as convenient as Uber :lol

Looks like I was a bit defensive with you on the topic. I apologize :cheers:

Objectively the LA bus system does suck compared to most other cities. But to your point, the people who talk a big game about the need for public transit and the importance of the environment... are the ones who wont spend an extra 15-20 minutes on a bus instead of in their own car.

[Norcaliblunt]

Honestly we need high speed rail to connect the whole country just to fight the Illuminati new world order oligarchy. They don’t want us connected.

[eliteballer]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-10-06/long-gone-interurban-trains-could-signal-a-rail-revival

[Axe]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-10-06/long-gone-interurban-trains-could-signal-a-rail-revival
...

[Jasper]

High speed rail is a good point of interest / but each stop needs an info structure that is combatable with rail systems...
Our country is so large only target destinations would be feasible.

Stepping off a rail and looking at a metro area that looked like you were standing in a desert obviously is a concern.

[Nanners]

High speed rail is a nice idea but its hard to see any way it gets built out in the US... also its only a matter of time until unvaxxed americans are barred from travelling by air/train/boat, and good luck getting public support for a new transportation system that ~30-40% of the country are not allowed to use from day 1.

[Charlie Sheen]

High speed rail is a nice idea but its hard to see any way it gets built out in the US... also its only a matter of time until unvaxxed americans are barred from travelling by air/train/boat, and good luck getting public support for a new transportation system that ~30-40% of the country are not allowed to use from day 1.

Just put Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos name on it. Problem solved

[Nanners]

Just put Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos name on it. Problem solved

As if either of those sociopaths would put their name or money on anything that might improve the lives of the american people

[Charlie Sheen]

As if either of those sociopaths would put their name or money on anything that might improve the lives of the american people

They'd market it as a way to improve the lives of the american people like bezos spaceship hobby that he thanked amazon workers for funding :lol

[Nanners]

They'd market it as a way to improve the lives of the american people like bezos spaceship hobby that he thanked amazon workers for funding :lol

If Bezos' high speed train is anything like his "spaceship" (lol), its only going to be a couple MPH faster than amtrack

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q79BHfxfaSI

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdJwAUdvlik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZDZtBRTyeI

[ArbitraryWater]

i forgot how much of a pencil neck cuck lambruh/scuzzy was

[Nanners]

high speed rail will never happen in the US because of our absurd level of corruption and because of our love of private property

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn4vptZXF94

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nsPGMoXqX0

[heyfox]

"Can it be improved?" Sure. If it will is another question, and I'm not optimistic.

[Long Duck Dong]

People acting like this is a US problem. There's no widespread use of high speed rail in any of the western nations that have a large geographical area like Canada or Australia. This may have already been pointed out but I don't have time to read through whole thread

[eliteballer]

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/high-speed-rail-us/index.html

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weby6KgrDjw

[Norcaliblunt]

Just for the sake of human liberty every single mode of transportation and it’s infrastructure needs to be propped up. You don’t want just one or two industries dominating like how we have with cars and airplanes.

You need more sidewalks, bike paths, roads, and rail lines across the entire country.

If you wanna walk LA to New York there is a sidewalk along the entire interstate. Same with bicycling. Bike path along our entire freeway systems. Rail? Same shit. And we don’t eliminate cars.

You have all four choices. That’s freedom.

[eliteballer]

Let's freaking go..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2023/12/08/watershed-moment-for-us-rail-with-8-billion-for-passenger-bullet-train-projects/?sh=d384487d0820

[GimmeThat]

but if you say America needs High-Speed rail, they'll say money is better spent on Ukraine

[SATAN]

OP you are such a shameless dweeb https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2337787&start=280

:oldlol:

[Jasper]

high speed rail sounds enticing, but do you have any idea how much money it would cost billions.

[SATAN]

high speed rail sounds enticing, but do you have any idea how much money it would cost billions.

Wonder if it would be more productive than endlessly spending billions upon billions on war

[jstern]

It would be cool, but we need more money and ammunition for Ukraine. Our democracy is on the line.

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmpyV4Yf8b0

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAsRvSveOxI

[Norcaliblunt]

Yo Eliteballer you act like you care about transportation and a humans right/ability to travel, but all you do is pop off about mass transit and rail????? While I agree mass transmit needs to be built, all transportation needs to be a fundamental right like the first and second amendment. You do not preach that? Why?

Why don’t you acknowledge that all forms of transportation need to addressed? Foot, bike, car, and rail?????

What is your program homie? Where are your foot, bike, car, and rail paths?

Please explain?

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqCo85OJLpc

[eliteballer]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-finally-track-build-high-230334491.html