There have been 9 one term presidents in our countries history...

[ThatCoolKid]

Are we about to get number 10? Given Trump has basically been campaigning his entire presidency rather than governing, it would be pretty embarrassing :lol

Say what you want about Obama, George W Bush, or Clinton...they were all 2 term presidents.

[AlternativeAcc.]

There have been 45 US presidents in history

Donald Trumps is one of them, with no prior political backround. And he's already accomplished more than Obama did in less than half the time.

Quite the embarrassment that billionaire Trump is

[Patrick Chewing]

Does your thread have a point, OP?

[ArbitraryWater]

I dont get the OP

What was your thought process?

[AlternativeAcc.]

I dont get the OP

What was your thought process?

'orange man bad'

[ThatCoolKid]

I'm just pointing out how embarrassing it will be for One Term Donnie if he loses as the incumbent. This hasn't happened for almost 30 years :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

By his logic, the current trend is Presidents serving two terms :lol


Poor bastard is stuck with Trump for 4 more years.

[ThatCoolKid]

By his logic, the current trend is Presidents serving two terms :lol


Poor bastard is stuck with Trump for 4 more years.

Running as the incumbent is like playing the game on easy mode. Still too hard for One Term Donnie though :(

[Patrick Chewing]

It's very hard to vote for the other guy when we don't even know where he stands on the issues that are going on today.

Hard to vote for him when he's not out on the campaign trail, pandemic or not.


He's too busy staying in his basement telling Black people that if they don't vote for him, they ain't Black. :oldlol:

[Rocket]

The total amount of one term Presidents in this countries history will remain unchanged come November.

Warning: do not stand close to any leftist between 8 PM until around midnight on Tuesday November 3rd to avoid any brain matter getting on you as millions of heads explode across this country when Trump's win is confirmed on the major networks.

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[FKAri]

Campaigning just starts earlier and earlier every election cycle. It's just part of the PR/marketing arms race between the two parties.

[Derka]

There's a reason it's insanely hard to beat an incumbent. Trump's got a massive cash advantage right now. A few PACs of establishment Republicans are trying to come out for Biden and while that will generate press, it won't generate Republican dollars flowing to Biden in great quantities given Trump's approval rating among Republicans likely to vote in 2020. Trump is going to ejaculate money all over radio and TV in swing states and in social media in the fall in an attempt to define Joe Biden before Joe Biden gets a chance to do so.

Ohioans, Floridians, North Carolinians, Wisconsonians?...brace your buttholes.

[~primetime~]

I don't know who is going to win in November...none of us do

But I do know this...if the election were held today, Trump would lose to Biden.

[Patrick Chewing]

I don't know who is going to win in November...none of us do

But I do know this...if the election were held today, Trump would lose to Biden.

Based on what?

[~primetime~]

Based on what?

no president has EVER won reelection with a sub 50% approval rating....Trump's is very low, just came in at 38% yesterday

and say what you want about the polls, but Biden is doing much better than Hillary was in the polls, and is winning in just about every swing state

this is not a good time for Trump...the economy is a mess, and regardless of who's fault it is, he will catch flak for it


all that said, I do not think it's impossible for Trump to turn things around by November

[Thorpesaurous]

I'm actually intrigued by what happens if Biden wins, and displays as much mental deficit over four years in the public eye as I suspect he will, will he become the first incumbent not to get the opportunity to run for re-election? Would the Dems be forced to run someone else? Reagan was pretty shot by the end, but in 84 for re-election still was cogent (as I recall), but it was also a different time. A president wasn't forward facing the nation on a near daily basis the way he is now.

[~primetime~]

I'm actually intrigued by what happens if Biden wins, and displays as much mental deficit over four years in the public eye as I suspect he will, will he become the first incumbent not to get the opportunity to run for re-election? Would the Dems be forced to run someone else? Reagan was pretty shot by the end, but in 84 for re-election still was cogent (as I recall), but it was also a different time. A president wasn't forward facing the nation on a near daily basis the way he is now.

The VP is important here

I do think the internet view that Biden is literally brain dead is way over-blown and exaggerated, but 77 is old af...he'd be 81 entering his 2nd term, yeah that's dementia age

[FKAri]

I'm actually intrigued by what happens if Biden wins, and displays as much mental deficit over four years in the public eye as I suspect he will, will he become the first incumbent not to get the opportunity to run for re-election? Would the Dems be forced to run someone else? Reagan was pretty shot by the end, but in 84 for re-election still was cogent (as I recall), but it was also a different time. A president wasn't forward facing the nation on a near daily basis the way he is now.

I too have a morbid curiosity about a Biden presidency.

[Derka]

I'm actually intrigued by what happens if Biden wins, and displays as much mental deficit over four years in the public eye as I suspect he will, will he become the first incumbent not to get the opportunity to run for re-election? Would the Dems be forced to run someone else? Reagan was pretty shot by the end, but in 84 for re-election still was cogent (as I recall), but it was also a different time. A president wasn't forward facing the nation on a near daily basis the way he is now.
Call me crazy, but I don't think Biden has any intention of running for a second term if he wins. I think he and the DNC understand that there are too many issues critical to the Dems agenda on which he has an openly shitty record. He can't be the party leader for the next decade convincingly under those conditions. I know he said otherwise in 2018 but he has to say that because if he wins he's basically a lame duck president right out of the gate and a one-and-done announcement probably tanks Democrats down the ticket.

[Facepalm]

Call me crazy, but I don't think Biden has any intention of running for a second term if he wins. I think he and the DNC understand that there are too many issues critical to the Dems agenda on which he has an openly shitty record. He can't be the party leader for the next decade convincingly under those conditions. I know he said otherwise in 2018 but he has to say that because if he wins he's basically a lame duck president right out of the gate and a one-and-done announcement probably tanks Democrats down the ticket.

Agreed. He's not running for a second term. The VP pick is extra crucial this year.

[ThatCoolKid]

It's very hard to vote for the other guy when we don't even know where he stands on the issues that are going on today.

Hard to vote for him when he's not out on the campaign trail, pandemic or not.


He's too busy staying in his basement telling Black people that if they don't vote for him, they ain't Black. :oldlol:

And Trump is still losing. One term Donnie :lol

[Rocket]

I'm actually intrigued by what happens if Biden wins, and displays as much mental deficit over four years in the public eye as I suspect he will, will he become the first incumbent not to get the opportunity to run for re-election? Would the Dems be forced to run someone else? Reagan was pretty shot by the end, but in 84 for re-election still was cogent (as I recall), but it was also a different time. A president wasn't forward facing the nation on a near daily basis the way he is now.
Biden is nothing but a figurehead. If he were to win which is EXTREMELY doubtful, he would resign soon after taking office putting his VP nominee in the oval office. The man simply is not working on all cylinders. I actually feel somewhat sorry for him as I see my father-in-law starting to go through dementia. There is a reason they will keep the Coronapocolypse narrative going through November which is to keep Biden out of the spotlight and off the debate stage where his illness would shine through.

[dude77]

:applause: :lol

https://twitter.com/FogCityMidge/status/1255245341886218241

[dude77]

And Trump is still losing. One term Donnie :lol

yes yes he's losing .. I remember when he was losing to clinton as well .. and badly I might add


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[ArbitraryWater]

I'm just pointing out how embarrassing it will be for One Term Donnie if he loses as the incumbent. This hasn't happened for almost 30 years :lol

will it be the most impressive one though if it doesn't since he is playing opponent + global media?

[rawimpact]

Aww man

How are the 1-0 Trump supporters who've benefited from his presidency the last four years ever going to deal with this? The 0-1 Hilary voters sure got us this time!

[Patrick Chewing]

So many people wrong in 2016, and now so many people wrong in 2020.


The tears will flood the streets once again.


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[dude77]

So many people wrong in 2016, and now so many people wrong in 2020.


The tears will flood the streets once again.


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:roll: brings back memories .. classic gif

[dude77]

waiting excitedly at biden's vp pick .. he's going to pick a woman .. imagine second in command is some unqualified female .. I'm rooting for kamala harris .. although I hear susan rice is a prospect now .. play your bullshit identity politics instead of choosing the most quialified joey .. you're not choosing a secretary .. that'll be the nail on his coffin of chances

[SouBeachTalents]

waiting excitedly at biden's vp pick .. he's going to pick a woman .. imagine second in command is some unqualified female .. I'm rooting for kamala harris .. although I hear susan rice is a prospect now .. play your bullshit identity politics instead of choosing the most quialified joey .. you're not choosing a secretary .. that'll be the nail on his coffin of chances
You really going to pretend the Republicans haven't done that before :lol

[Derka]

You really going to pretend the Republicans haven't done that before :lol
Beat me to it. :oldlol: Democrats aren't alone in their shameless pandering to identity politics.

[Facepalm]

Beat me to it. :oldlol: Democrats aren't alone in their shameless pandering to identity politics.

Trump is doing it RIGHT NOW with his embrace of the Confederate flag and defense of statues dedicated to American traitors. :oldlol:

[BigKobeFan]

This election cycle is a throw away for the democrats. That is why they are running a guy who can't last more than 4 years.

The dumbos know Trump is an animal and they don't want to throw a fresh face Democrat in there that will get destroyed by trump and then that fresh face will disappear to mediocrity. Its the same when the republicans who didn't have anyone in 2008 when they went up against Odumbo and threw in an unelectable candidate. The next election cycle when Trump is out, the Dumbos will use a fresh face that not too many people have heard about.

The republicans made a mistake when they threw in Paul Ryan (this guy is a snake and only looking out for himself) in against odumbo in 2012. They should have kept Paul Ryan until 2016 when he may have had a chance to upset trump. Paul Ryan would have had the best chance to beat trump in the primaries.

But because Paul Ryan lost in 2012, he is now a known loser. Then he took the cowards way out and retired from politics because he was unsure whether trump would win the election, but was forced to back him prior to the election.

[TheMan]

The total amount of one term Presidents in this countries history will remain unchanged come November.

Warning: do not stand close to any leftist between 8 PM until around midnight on Tuesday November 3rd to avoid any brain matter getting on you as millions of heads explode across this country when Trump's win is confirmed on the major networks.

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Lol, and if that doesn't happen...don't you go and do something rash, ok?

:cheers:

[Patrick Chewing]

With the exclusion of el Mexicano above me, it's scary to see how many people would prefer a Democrat in office seeing how far Left and radical that party has gone. Biden would just be a puppet President. The people pulling the strings will be the Omar's and the AOC's of the world.

And if you're White, prepare to pay a Reparations tax. Prepare to pay a tax to be able to afford Free Healthcare and Free Tuition.


Say something remotely racist or discriminatory? Prepare to be arrested.

[TheMan]

With the exclusion of el Mexicano above me, it's scary to see how many people would prefer a Democrat in office seeing how far Left and radical that party has gone. Biden would just be a puppet President. The people pulling the strings will be the Omar's and the AOC's of the world.

And if you're White, prepare to pay a Reparations tax. Prepare to pay a tax to be able to afford Free Healthcare and Free Tuition.


Say something remotely racist or discriminatory? Prepare to be arrested.

Lol, you really believe the Democratic Party is far left??? ROFL

A far left party doesn't nominate HRC and Biden back to back nor does it have Pelosi and Schumer as party leaders...GTFOH bruh :lol

[RRR3]

Lol, you really believe the Democratic Party is far left??? ROFL

A far left party doesn't nominate HRC and Buden back to back nirvdoes it have Pelosi and Schumer as party leaders...GTFOH bruh :lol
Dude is on crack. The democratic establishment actively suppresses the progressive wing of the party. AOC and Ilhan would have no impact on Biden’s presidency.

[Patrick Chewing]

When I see you ****ers on the bread line, don't come crawling to me for a helping hand.

[~primetime~]

When I see you ****ers on the bread line, don't come crawling to me for a helping hand.

being handed free bread is where everyone is NOW...time for a Dem to clean up the mess...as usual

[Patrick Chewing]

being handed free bread is where everyone is NOW...time for a Dem to clean up the mess...as usual

I pay for my Artisanal bread, thank you very much.

[Rocket]

Lol, and if that doesn't happen...don't you go and do something rash, ok?

:cheers:

Promise you want either WHEN Trump wins.

[RRR3]

Lol at you guys basing your life’s meaning on which senile racist rapist gets elected.

[Lebron23]

no president has EVER won reelection with a sub 50% approval rating....Trump's is very low, just came in at 38% yesterday

and say what you want about the polls, but Biden is doing much better than Hillary was in the polls, and is winning in just about every swing state

this is not a good time for Trump...the economy is a mess, and regardless of who's fault it is, he will catch flak for it


all that said, I do not think it's impossible for Trump to turn things around by November

I agree. Trump won't get reelected just like George Bush in 1992.

[bladefd]

Based on what?

There is a reason why Republican groups have stopped posting their internal poll numbers since March. I was just reading about it couple days ago - Democrats have released something like 30 while Republicans have released 12 polls (for House, it's 17 Democrat polls to 0 Republican). Before March, Republicans were releasing polls regularly while they had lead or were neck-to-neck. It's obvious Donny is so far behind on their own internal polling that they just won't publicly release those numbers

At the pace we have been going since March, it's looking like Republicans are in big trouble


Democratic and liberal aligned groups have put out 17 House polls taken in April or later. Republican aligned groups have put out 0. That's a very bad ratio for Republicans.

Interestingly, Republicans were the ones dominating the polling landscape in the first quarter of the year. From January through March, Republican and conservative groups released 10 polls compared with the Democrats' 2.

The April turning point lines up well with when the coronavirus pandemic became the headline story of the year. It's when President Donald Trump's approval rating started an almost continuous decline that remains unabated.

In other words, it makes a lot of sense that Democrats started to dominate the House polling landscape in the past few months. They had a lot of good news for their side that they wanted out in the public. Republicans, meanwhile, were likely seeing numbers that wouldn't make them look good.

Now, you might be wondering whether statewide internal polling is showing the same thing. Presidential elections are mostly won on the state level, after all. Unfortunately, the presidential campaigns aren't putting out their own data, and partisan statewide polls have less of a chance to shape the narrative because there are so many public polls. Still, there are some outside groups that are releasing data, and we're largely seeing the same picture as the district data portrays.

Since April, Democratic or liberal groups have released 30 statewide polls in the presidential race. Republicans have put out a mere 13. That means the Democratic share of statewide internal polls has been 70%.https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/04/politics/partisan-polls-analysis/index.html

[bladefd]

Lol, you really believe the Democratic Party is far left??? ROFL

A far left party doesn't nominate HRC and Biden back to back nor does it have Pelosi and Schumer as party leaders...GTFOH bruh :lol

One of the biggest problems Lil Donny is having currently is trying to paint Biden as far left/radical. Everyone knows Biden is too moderate to paint as far left, and voters just won't buy him as radical left. If anything, Donny is so far right that he makes moderate Biden look like radical left :oldlol:

I bet Democrats are going to try hard this time to win over the moderates/independents. In 2016, they tried to win over the young Bernie bros, who were talking the talk but were too lazy to go walk the walk & vote when it was time. This time they are targeting the moderates/older people who do vote consistently election after election

[Jasper]

There have been 45 US presidents in history

Donald Trumps is one of them, with no prior political backround. And he's already accomplished more than Obama did in less than half the time.

Quite the embarrassment that billionaire Trump is

YEP he divided the country ,, not many presidents have done THAT

[ThatCoolKid]

will it be the most impressive one though if it doesn't since he is playing opponent + global media?

One term donnie can lose the popular vote by 3 million and still win. He also has a professional cheerleading, propaganda machine in fox news. He's playing on easy mode and still losing :lol

[Jasper]

I'm actually intrigued by what happens if Biden wins, and displays as much mental deficit over four years in the public eye as I suspect he will, will he become the first incumbent not to get the opportunity to run for re-election? Would the Dems be forced to run someone else? Reagan was pretty shot by the end, but in 84 for re-election still was cogent (as I recall), but it was also a different time. A president wasn't forward facing the nation on a near daily basis the way he is now.
I am going on an old man hunch , but I bet he puts the country back together.
Never in my life time of 62 years have I seen a president (trump)separate more people than unit them in our country.
Even GW Bush with his misguided directions , war we didn't need to go into , an economy in the toilet , people losing houses , bank accounts , 401k in the toilet and he still got re-elected... (he was a better president , and that ain't saying much ) and he is still better than Trump.
GET HIM OUT OF THERE

[Jasper]

One term donnie can lose the popular vote by 3 million and still win. He also has a professional cheerleading, propaganda machine in fox news. He's playing on easy mode and still losing :lol

If Trump wins , the brain dead public that voted him in , will not smile watching billionaires become trillionaires

[LoneyROY7]

Donny is that bug you just smacked off the wall that's now stuck on its back, writhing around and squirming its legs. You know its finished, it's just a matter of grabbing the paper towel and giving it that final squish.

This November, we're coming with a big 'ol 2 two-ply Brawny paper towel to put lil donny out of his misery for good.

[Axe]

Even if "There have been 9 one term presidents in our countries history...", nothing changes the fact that this nation is fukked up nowadays.

[Shooter]

I'm just pointing out how embarrassing it will be for One Term Donnie if he loses as the incumbent. This hasn't happened for almost 30 years :lol

And how embarassing was it for zero term Hillary to lose the election in 2016?

[Kblaze8855]

There have been more democrat voters than republican for some time I believe. The 2018 midterm margin was the greatest ever recorded in sheer number of votes between one party and the other. Its obviously not about who most people actually vote for but as that number expands its gotta get harder to find the nationwide wins when you gotta pull key states out in close races at such a crazy rate....every time. 53% vs 45 in 2018. After getting 3 million more in 2016?

Republican victory now is about keeping people home. Like in 2014 when less people voted in the midterms than any year since 1942(WW2 played a role there). I think Trump fires too many people up to vote. His entire base would vote no matter what.....but they follow his lead in being so generally absurd they motivate the other sides casual voters to get serious. Ive seen people who told me flat out that voting doesnt matter in 2016 doing get out the vote shit just off hating Trump.

Trump and Clinton were both hated which made for a super strong set of alternate party options. This time it seems Trump is hated and Biden is nothinged. Makes the incumbent hill easier to climb when also mixed with the likely advantage in actual American support that seems to be getting wider.

How people keep being shocked there are so many democrats when they got more popular votes all but one presidential election since the 80s is odd to me. There seems to just....be more democrats.

Thats likely why its reflected in the polls. A poll doesnt have to be rigged for you to win when 10 million more people just voted for your side. What I wanna know is if Biden wins will the right go back to acting like Polls still dont matter next time. I remember Limbaugh doing the rigged polls thing about Romney then coming on and saying that apparently they had just lost the country and the polls weren't lying because you cant beat Santa in a country of children looking for handouts.

I guess an upset just gives people a few years of something to point to and not acknowledge any real issues.

Who knows who wins in november....but polls being in favor of Biden when democrats tend to have more voters really shouldnt be shocking.

[coin24]

And how embarassing was it for zero term Hillary to lose the election in 2016?

:lol Hilary by a landslide:roll:

[4pointshot]

??? There have been far more than 9 1-term Presidents. Depending on how you count, there have been as many as 21. If you mean served one full term, no more, no less, there have been 12.

What's more interesting is that after Jefferson-Madison-Monroe, the country went almost 200 years before consecutive Presidents were elected to two terms, let alone three consecutive two-term Presidents.

[Nanners]

I think Trump fires too many people up to vote. His entire base would vote no matter what

Didnt trump lose the popular vote by a large margin in 2016?

He didnt win because he fired up tons of people, he won because he fired up people in the exact right states to win the election (rust belt states that were devastated by trade deals like NAFTA)


Trump and Clinton were both hated which made for a super strong set of alternate party options. This time it seems Trump is hated and Biden is nothinged. Makes the incumbent hill easier to climb when also mixed with the likely advantage in actual American support that seems to be getting wider.

This is true... its hard to hate on a guy like Biden who should be spending his few remaining days on this planet feeding ducks at the pond and eating jello


How people keep being shocked there are so many democrats when they got more popular votes all but one presidential election since the 80s is odd to me. There seems to just....be more democrats.

You do realize that the popular vote doesnt matter in the presidential election, right?

Hopefully we will eventually have a democratic candidate who figures out how elections work


Thats likely why its reflected in the polls. A poll doesnt have to be rigged for you to win when 10 million more people just voted for your side. What I wanna know is if Biden wins will the right go back to acting like Polls still dont matter next time. I remember Limbaugh doing the rigged polls thing about Romney then coming on and saying that apparently they had just lost the country and the polls weren't lying because you cant beat Santa in a country of children looking for handouts.

Biden has been in govt for ~50 years... and in 2020 he is talking about black folks raising their kids properly by using the record player at night. Exactly how do you think he would act as president?


I guess an upset just gives people a few years of something to point to and not acknowledge any real issues.

Funny, because this Bernie Bro thinks that the Obama presidency gave lazy brainless lefties an excuse to go to sleep and ignore the fact that the US increased the number of foreign wars from 2 to 7 during Obamas presidency, and ignore the fact that Obama presided over the largest reduction of black household wealth in US history, and ignore that he reduced Libya from having the highest standard of living in Africa to having open air slave markets, and ignore that he built the cages for children that the left has loved to screech about since Trumps election, and ignore that he personally curated his own "kill list" of foreign terrorists after receiving a nobel peace prize... Anyone who blames Trump supporters of ignoring real issues while ignoring the fact that Obama was one of the most evil presidents this country has seen in recent years is a clueless jabroni.


Who knows who wins in november....but polls being in favor of Biden when democrats tend to have more voters really shouldnt be shocking.

No doubt... anyone who is truly interested in figuring out who is going to win should be looking at polls in swing states

[Kblaze8855]

Didnt trump lose the popular vote by a large margin in 2016?

He didnt win because he fired up tons of people, he won because he fired up people in the exact right states to win the election (rust belt states that were devastated by trade deals like NAFTA)


Im talking about passion on each side. Trump voters will vote no matter what. Of course there are less of them....which is why their passion is relevant. There are more democrats in general...but Trump draws from a well of far more passionate support.


You do realize that the popular vote doesnt matter in the presidential election, right?

Hopefully we will eventually have a democratic candidate who figures out how elections work

It matters when we are talking poll numbers and people being surprised democrats have good numbers. Polls dont need to be faked when you have a tangible advantage in numbers.




Biden has been in govt for ~50 years... and in 2020 he is talking about black folks raising their kids properly by using the record player at night. Exactly how do you think he would act as president?

I doubt he has much in the way of new ideas or grand plans. Hes just there to not be trump which...might do it. Its obviously gonna be about building the next one up. But he cant really pick who most of us would want next and keep the electoral math right.

[Kblaze8855]

Funny, because this Bernie Bro thinks that the Obama presidency gave lazy brainless lefties an excuse to go to sleep and ignore the fact that the US increased the number of foreign wars from 2 to 7 during Obamas presidency, and ignore the fact that Obama presided over the largest reduction of black household wealth in US history, and ignore that he reduced Libya from having the highest standard of living in Africa to having open air slave markets, and ignore that he built the cages for children that the left has loved to screech about since Trumps election, and ignore that he personally curated his own "kill list" of foreign terrorists after receiving a nobel peace prize... Anyone who blames Trump supporters of ignoring real issues while ignoring the fact that Obama was one of the most evil presidents this country has seen in recent years is a clueless jabroni.

The more thought I give it the less I hold presidents responsible for specific military action. I dont know that I even commented on Trumps Iran issue other than to hope he wasnt starting WW3. There are so many people and so many decisions between some informant saying such and such is gonna do this or that in such and such country next september.....and the commander in chief. They are all slaves to what their intelligence people choose to bring them. Not like a ground level analyst has a line to the white house. The politics, grudges, and so on that have to be accounted for?

Its hard for me to backseat command and say this "terrorist" or that one shouldnt have been killed. You cant be that powerful without giving the go ahead(directly or tacitly) on a lot of lives being lost. Who am I to say this one was ok but that one isnt? Even for Trump im sure thats a tough call every time and im not really sure we have the info to evaluate the calls in retrospect. Major things perhaps. But they are still at the mercy of their advisors to some extent. I think its amazing he said he knew more than the generals about Isis before he was even elected. Thats just being a jackass. But individual moves? I dont know how qualified I am to say if this guy or that one should have been left standing. Im sure neither Obama or Trump pick guys out of a hat for a drone strike. People are on the ground. Someone in an office. Someone is in an embassy. Someone is at the pentagon in a room with a lot of experts deciding how to word the request to the president who just gets the end result and a recommendation from a room with 300 years of experience in it. I dont know how to really judge that from a distance when we are talking like....blowing up this particular truck or that camp you know?



No doubt... anyone who is truly interested in figuring out who is going to win should be looking at polls in swing states


Yea thats the only way. But its still impossible to guess really. Guy I work with is always calling me a pessimist for saying its not impossible Trump wins again. I stopped writing the previous post to show him a 270 map where it could realistically come down to Arizona and Nevada being watched late election night for the whole thing if Trump takes Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina which isnt that unlikely.

Its not gonna be a landslide either way. I dont think he loses Ohio or Florida and that makes for a long interesting night. The people calling landslide on either side are trolls.

[Kblaze8855]

Would any of you be shocked if it looks like this some point of election night and we are waiting on Arizona?



https://www.270towin.com/maps/3dY7N.png




Is that entirely unrealistic?

[Nanners]

The more thought I give it the less I hold presidents responsible for specific military action. I dont know that I even commentated on Trumps Iran issue other than to hope he wasnt starting WW3.

In other words, the more you think about it, the less credit you give to Trump on anti-war issues... an area where his predecessors no doubt had flawless records :oldlol:


There are so many people and so many decisions between some informant saying such and such is gonna do this or that in such and such country next september.....and the commander in chief. They are all slaves to what their intelligence people choose to bring them. Not like a ground level analyst has a line to the white house. The politics, grudges, and so on that have to be accounted for?

LOL...yeah theres no doubt that the politics, grudges, and so-on have been totally accounted for by the official statements of officials


Its hard for me to backseat command and say this terrorist or that one shouldnt have been killed. You cant be that powerful without giving the go ahead(directly or tacitly) on a lot of lives being lost. Who am I to say this one was ok but that one isnt? Even for Trump im sure thats a tough call every time and im not really sure we have the info to evaluate the calls in retrospect. Major things perhaps. But they are still at the mercy of their advisors to some extent.

Are you actually retarded? Or are you just willingly pretending to be?

When was the last time a middle eastern terrorist caused a significant loss of life in the US? Which middle eastern country poses anything remotely resembling a threat to the US? Since when does it make sense to destablize an entire country simply because they are allegedly home to a terrorist or terror group *accused* of attacking the US?


Yea thats the only way. But its still impossible to guess really. Guy I work with is always calling me a pessimist for saying its not impossible Trump wins again. I stopped writing this post to show him a 270 map where it could realistically come down to Arizona and Nevada being watched late election night for the whole thing if Trump takes Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina which isnt that unlikely.

Thank you for making at least one intelligent point in this post. Its definitely possible that Trump wins again, and any libtard pretending otherwise is just sucking their own dong (a favorite pastime for these soyboys)


Its not gonna be a landslide either way. I dont think he loses Ohio or Florida and that makes for along interesting night. The people calling landslide on either side are trolls.

amen :cheers:

[Nanners]

Im talking about passion on each side. Trump voters will vote no matter what. Of course there are less of them....which is why their passion is relevant. There are more democrats in general...but Trump draws from a well of far more passionate support.
Well theres no doubt that Joe Biden generates a ton of "passion" among his base :oldlol:


It matters when we are talking poll numbers and people being surprised democrats have good numbers. Polls dont need to be faked when you have a tangible advantage in numbers.

Tell that to Hillary Clinton and her poll numbers (the person who created Trump, the preferred "pied piper" candidate according to her genius political instincts)


I doubt he has much in the way of new ideas or grand plans. Hes just there to not be trump which...might do it. Its obviously gonna be about building the next one up. But he cant really pick who most of us would want next and keep the electoral math right.

The fact that the democrats had 4 years to find a worthwhile candidate and ultimately settled on a senile segregationist and life-long status-quo politician who happens to be one of the most racist politicians this country has seen in recent years (hes also a rapist) speaks volumes about the dems and their supporters.

[Kblaze8855]

The obvious argument would be if they werent killing them in advance they would be more of a threat. That has to be the case being made up the chain to the president. What else could it be?

Thats where you get into the political side where we make the truth what we want because none of us on the outside really have access to the information. Like I said I dont know what has to happen between "____ said ____ will go down o nthe 18th" and a drone strike but im sure theres a lotta bullshit between the report and the plane taking off that is hard to judge from where we sit. All I know(assume at least) is the pitch has to be based on preventing the next big thing which is always gonna be hard to argue either way. Nobody wants the report to come out about how _____ asked you to take out _____ but you didnt and he he killed 900 people in Portland or whatever. I bet theres a lot of that "You dont wanna be wrong here Mr President" shit behind the scenes.

In the end I dont have enough information to judge these things. I can kinda evaluate the given reasons for all out war or something. Why an apartment complex was blown up clearly creating more future "terrorists" who hate us?

I dont know. But the pitch must weigh it against possible future attacks. Again....what else could they say? Trump...Obama...Bush. All at the mercy of what information is presented and how I suppose. Im not sure how you get around that.

Youre the president and a group of military lifers backed by the cia comes in and says "This guy is planning to blow up a training facility of ours. Hes in this building right here...." what can you really do but ask for more information? And who gives it to you? Them.

Unless you put a blanket order out not to respond to threats that dont threaten mainland America im not sure how you avoid a lot of those meetings. They kinda have you by the balls. You can send the missle to blow up the #2 guy in Iran or you can not. Im sure the idea itself doesnt come from the guy giving the order. Someone has to lay it out and who knows what their motivation is...

Its a bitch im sure.

[Nanners]

The obvious argument would be if they werent killing them in advance they would be more of a threat. That has to be the case being made up the chain to the president. What else could it be?

How many times does this laughably naive narrative need to be proven wrong until people move on? Anyone interested in the "obvious argument" would consider this sort of "preemptive war" thinking to be a flagrant violation of the constitution


Thats where you get into the political side where we make the truth what we want because none of us on the outside really have access to the information. Like I said I dont know what has to happen between "____ said ____ will go down o nthe 18th" and a drone strike but im sure theres a lotta bullshit between the report and the plane taking off that is hard to judge from where we sit. All I know(assume at least) is the pitch has to be based on preventing the next big thing which is always gonna be hard to argue either way. Nobody wants the report to come out about how _____ asked you to take out _____ but you didnt and he he killed 900 people in Portland or whatever. I bet theres a lot of that "You dont wanna be wrong here Mr President" shit behind the scenes.

Exactly what the **** are you talking about here ? Are you threatening my city with a terrorist attack? Or are you just talking about a theoretical attack that exists within your (obvoiusly) damaged brain?



In the end I dont have enough information to judge these things. I can kinda evaluate the given reasons for all out war or something. Why an apartment complex was blown up clearly creating more future "terrorists" who hate us?

I dont know. But the pitch must weigh it against possible future attacks. Again....what else could they say? Trump...Obama...Bush. All at the mercy of what information is presented and how I suppose.[/QUOTE]

[Kblaze8855]

Im not sure what level of world peace would have to be achieved to change it but....I think the era of preemptive strikes will last for some time. As long as there are intelligence people on the ground being given information(or even making it up) its gonna go up the chain and someone is gonna have to make a call. Thats just the world as it is. We will all be in the ground before it changes.

[Nanners]

Im not sure what level of world peace would have to be achieved to change it but....I think the era of preemptive strikes will last for some time. As long as there are intelligence people on the ground being given information(or even making it up) its gonna go up the chain and someone is gonna have to make a call. Thats just the world as it is. We will all be in the ground before it changes.

:applause:

No doubt the world is run by intelligence sociopaths, as it has been and will likely continue to be...

[Kblaze8855]

I doWonder if just from a place of principle you could ever see yourself authorizing a preemptive strike. Coming from outside the intelligence community and having an obvious distrust is there anything they could tell you to get you to blow up a room with 16 people in it because three of them are targets?

Or is that one of those “That’s why I wouldn’t run for president” things where you don’t know if you could make that call either way?

Im just curious.

[Jasper]

https://www.270towin.com/maps/3dY7N.png
Is that entirely unrealistic?your map has Wisc. as a Republican state ,,, Walker slipped money under the door, and people
bought into the republican way in our state .... happened with Tommy Thompson....
Our state (wisc.) is a democratic state , and it proved it when Walker was not only ousted from a presidential candidacy but also as the governor ...
We will be voting against Trump = for sure.

[TheMan]

Promise you want either WHEN Trump wins.

Bookmarked :oldlol:

[Derka]

Not sure where that electoral map is coming from but its being generous as f*ck to the President. Biden's killing Trump in Wisconsin, and if you give him the 11 from AZ he still loses the race.

Biden's ahead but within the margins in NC and FL. OH and AZ are true toss-ups. Also, I don't think Trump can take can take GA and TX for granted.

[Patrick Chewing]

Bookmarked :oldlol:

Bookmarked :oldlol:

[scuzzy]

Don's 4D strategic execution targeting electoral states :lol


sykeee... just swooned undeveloped parts of the country where diversity doesn't exist, into thinking they'd get a big ole wall built
:cletus:


https://i.postimg.cc/528Hn8cW/dfhddfh.png



All they wanted was a wall

https://i.postimg.cc/cCmWv12j/tity.png (https://postimages.org/)



All they got...

https://i.postimg.cc/wMHHxRfL/dfgfgjfg.png (https://postimages.org/)





4yrs in office, 20 miles per year :(

https://i.postimg.cc/0yVn2gQN/Eb-DUWYn-Xs-AArr-Zh.jpg

[Patrick Chewing]

Trump wins 48 States

[ThatCoolKid]

Trump wins 48 States

Lol you stupid moron. That's so funny in retrospect. Cry more. Republicans are so mad they are literally crying in the Capitol building. They're mad because they can't hold the L. Crybaby losers :lol

[rawimpact]

Bump