Lose series, get outscored by #1 option, then team you lost to gets swept in next rd.

[Shooter]

Besides the powerhouse 1985 Terry Cummings Bucks doing this to MJ Bulls and then getting swept in the 2nd round, has this happened to anyone else before?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1985-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-bulls-vs-bucks.html

https://i.postimg.cc/vHPyJC3t/Terry-Cummings.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

What if you get outscored while getting swept?

[Axe]

This should count

https://media0.giphy.com/media/fs62ZydKjn6lbJ0pAU/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b9522b454758e1622732cc00e5dcc896 51f8dc5a2e92&rid=giphy.gif

[Cyrus334]

To think we've sunk this low.

[Bawkish]

it's not worse than losing to Jason Terry & JJ Barea

[Shooter]

What if you get outscored while getting swept?

Was it as good as a powerhouse Terry Cummings 2nd round sweep team?

[Shooter]

To think we've sunk this low.

Cummings is no KD, Curry, Klay, but he is a beast! Leave him alone!

[warriorfan]

Join 2nd and 4th Best PER in the league...get outscored in the Finals by Jason Terry and lose.....





It’s gon be easy

[warriorfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_LUnTQHV4c&app=desktop

[Turbo Slayer]

The Bulls back then was pretty much MJ. Think LeBron in 2007 when the Cavaliers got swept by the Spurs.

Also the Bulls had lesser talent than the Bucks. So it isn't a surprise the Bucks won the series.

I mean, come on.

Bucks

Moncrief- All-D (1st) and All-NBA (2nd)
Cummings- All-NBA (2nd) and 5th in MVP voting
Pressy- All-D (1st)

Bulls

MJ- All-NBA (2nd)

That's it.

Also keep in mind MJ was a rookie in 1985 so he didn't fully developed to his prime self just yet.

What does this info shows us? That every great player needs a decent supporting cast around him to excel in team success.

[GimmeThat]

the 9 man rotation didn't work out in the playoff.

[Roundball_Rock]

The Bulls had a 23 PPG second option at SF (so two of the top 12 scorers in the NBA) and a 16 point scorer as their third option (18 PPG the year before without MJ). That's not a one man team as the narrative we always hear about the team says. Their issue wasn't scoring (the next year with MJ missing 65 games they were 8th in offense--and probably more like 5th in the games MJ missed since their scoring nose-dived in March, April--MJ returned in March) per se.

Their big problem was defense (look at the field goal percentages of the Bucks--it was like they were in shooting practice). The Bulls didn't have the strong defenses they are remembered for until the 90's. It is ironic since on ISH those teams are frequently boiled down to scoring when defense was the key.

[Axe]

The Bulls back then was pretty much MJ. Think LeBron in 2007 when the Cavaliers got swept by the Spurs.

Also the Bulls had lesser talent than the Bucks. So it isn't a surprise the Bucks won the series.

I mean, come on.

Bucks

Moncrief- All-D (1st) and All-NBA (2nd)
Cummings- All-NBA (2nd) and 5th in MVP voting
Pressy- All-D (1st)

Bulls

MJ- All-NBA (2nd)

That's it.

Also keep in mind MJ was a rookie in 1985 so he didn't fully developed to his prime self just yet.

What does this info shows us? That every great player needs a decent supporting cast around him to excel in team success.
Also, they were the 7th seed during that year. And even if they're able to defeat the bucks in that series, it's hard to see them winning against the perennial celtics.

[Turbo Slayer]

Also, they were the 7th seed during that year. And even if they're able to defeat the bucks in that series, it's hard to see them winning against the perennial celtics. :applause:

Yep. High seeded teams always typically face weak teams in the 1st round. The 1985 Bucks vs 1985 Bulls is no exception and just one of the many examples on paper.

[Axe]

:applause:

Yep. High seeded teams always typically face weak teams in the 1st round. The 1985 Bucks vs 1985 Bulls is no exception and just one of the many examples on paper.
That is true. And the bulls didn't have pippen in their roster yet until '87 so you already know where this goes through; 1-9. :oldlol:

[Turbo Slayer]

That is true. And the bulls didn't have pippen in their roster yet until '87 so you already know where this goes through; 1-9. :oldlol: Yep.

MJ didn't have great help until around the beginning of the 90s.

The Bulls from there made huge additions. The Bulls front office drafted Pippen who would later become a superstar alongside with MJ. They also got Grant too.

Also the Bulls signed Paxson as a veteran free agent too. So the Bulls did a fantastic job of surrounding MJ with excellent help at the start of the 90s.

[LoneyROY7]

This board is literally just the same 2 threads (one for MJ, one for Bron) just reworded over and over and over.

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Shooter]

This board is literally just the same 2 threads (one for MJ, one for Bron) just reworded over and over and over.

:oldlol: :oldlol:

My bad G you're right :lol

I'll cool it :cheers:

[Roundball_Rock]

Yep.

MJ didn't have great help until around the beginning of the 90s.

The Bulls from there made huge additions. The Bulls front office drafted Pippen who would later become a superstar alongside with MJ. They also got Grant too.

Also the Bulls signed Paxson as a veteran free agent too. So the Bulls did a fantastic job of surrounding MJ with excellent help at the start of the 90s.

Agreed with one caveat: what we always hear from many of MJ's fans is it's all about PPG. If so, he had the most help at the outset of his career. He got 23 and 16 PPG from his second and third options (39 combined). He never got that again in his career. The most probably was 21/14 from Pippen and Grant in 92'. But there is more to basketball than PPG. Defense, playmaking, intangibles, etc. matter. As you note, the team made steady roster improvements (plus coaching improvements) and it's easy to chart the Bulls' improvement next to those changes.

[Axe]

Yep.

MJ didn't have great help until around the beginning of the 90s.

The Bulls from there made huge additions. The Bulls front office drafted Pippen who would later become a superstar alongside with MJ. They also got Grant too.

Also the Bulls signed Paxson as a veteran free agent too. So the Bulls did a fantastic job of surrounding MJ with excellent help at the start of the 90s.
So is phil jackson as well and other coaches like tex winter, johnny bach, etc. plus the triangle offense. Those were made possible because of jerry krause's moves too i think.

Btw, the bulls didn't actually draft scottie pippen; the sonics did so the bulls sent their #8 overall olden polynice for him instead. That's how they got pip and it's not surprising how he became a superstar, since he was drafted as the 5th overall pick in '87, after all.

[Shooter]

Agreed with one caveat: what we always hear from many of MJ's fans is it's all about PPG. If so, he had the most help at the outset of his career. He got 23 and 16 PPG from his second and third options (39 combined). He never got that again in his career. The most probably was 21/14 from Pippen and Grant in 92'. But there is more to basketball than PPG. Defense, playmaking, intangibles, etc. matter. As you note, the team made steady roster improvements (plus coaching improvements) and it's easy to chart the Bulls' improvement next to those changes.

:rockon::rockon:

[86Celtics]

I wonder how long will it take before this alt is banned and he has to break out a new one

[MrFonzworth]

I wonder how long will it take before this alt is banned and he has to break out a new one

That's rich coming from you

[86Celtics]

That's rich coming from you

Not everyone in here is an alt and/or a troll. But then again, you wouldn't know how that is because you've probably got your very own.

[Shooter]

I wonder how long will it take before this alt is banned and he has to break out a new one

Coming from the guy who is a 3-ball alt, made the name "86 Celtics" to prop up the team that MJ could never beat in the playoffs (0 for 6), but literally never posts about the Celtics, only MJ.

Nice try bb boi :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

OP actually thinks he is making a point by reprimanding rookie Jordan.

Rookie...Jordan...

Thanks for the laughs :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

That's rich coming from you

He obviously is an alt--who is he?

Not sure if it is 3ball. He almost doesn't need alts--MJ stans echo 90% of what he says anyway. :oldlol:

[86Celtics]

Coming from the guy who is a 3-ball alt, made the name "86 Celtics" to prop up the team that MJ could never beat in the playoffs (0 for 6), but literally never posts about the Celtics, only MJ.

Nice try bb boi :lol

I've posted about the Celtics, Russell, Bird, McHale etc but you wouldn't know it because all you concern youself with is Lebron James. 3ball is an idiot but you just might be worse than him.


He obviously is an alt--who is he?

Not sure if it is 3ball. He almost doesn't need alts--MJ stans echo 90% of what he says anyway. :oldlol:

You on the other hand are just pathetic. Keep branding anyone who sees right through your bullshit an alt and keep patting yourself on the back for preaching the good cause.

[Shooter]

The Cummings Effect

[Axe]

You on the other hand are just pathetic. Keep branding anyone who sees right through your bullshit an alt and keep patting yourself on the back for preaching the good cause.
Lol the biggest asshole in this board often has to make himself holier-than-thou by talking about mj stans, calling them crazy, delusional or whatever demoralizing he thinks just to ridicule them while posting several copypasta crap in many related threads that talk about him at the same time. :oldlol:

Then he also goes to quote other users that make fun of mj or his stans. It's like a spoiled brat who feels so entitled and wouldn't learn how to get a grip at all, a feeler perhaps. Such a disgusting behavior when these controversial topics he would engage to he can discuss in a very much civilized manner. :lol