Do you believe in aliens?

[tpols]

or that life is only here on earth?

[msbutthurt]

Nope

[rawimpact]

I believe in extraterrestrial life. But after watching episode three of unsolved mysteries on Netflix I’m starting to doubt myself.

[n00bie]

Pretty hard to believe how big the universe is and only the Earth has life.

Statistically it's not possible for there NOT to be aliens.

Only explanation of only Earth having life is if we really are living in a simulation. I wouldn't be surprised the way 2020 turned out.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Aliens exist but most likely in another dimension or spiritual realm. Kind of like Interstellar where they existed in the 5th dimension.

I think UFO's exist but humans are piloting them. It's technology that's been around for thousands of years but the masses today do not have access to.

[tpols]

Pretty hard to believe how big the universe is and only the Earth has life.

Statistically it's not possible for there NOT to be aliens.

Only explanation of only Earth having life is if we really are living in a simulation. I wouldn't be surprised the way 2020 turned out.

By that logic there would have to be a cognizant force running the simulation. Which doubles down on your second sentence.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Definitely believe in sentient, intelligent non-plant, non-animal, non-human life forms that are not confined to Earth.

[SouBeachTalents]

The universe is way too big for their NOT to be some form of life somewhere else :lol I think they're extremely far away, but they have to exist

[Vino24]

Most likely exist but don’t want anything to do with us

[Long Duck Dong]

Most likely exist but don’t want anything to do with us

Or...we are living in their ant farm right now.

[msbutthurt]

Tom cruise not only believes in aliens... he believes in the one true alien, Xenu.

Pretty sure Hubbard and Hollywood stole the image for aliens from Aleister Crowley's drawing of a demon he claimed to speak with named Lam. Jack Parsons was good friends with both of them. Crowley thought Hubbard was a fraud, which clearly he was right. He ripped off Jack Parsons and also took his girlfriend. Jack Parsons was eventually taken out, I don't believe he blew himself up. They changed the name from Jack Parsons Laboratory to Jet Propulsion Laboratory when it came to light he had been into the occult and satanism.



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[pew]

I feel like we were put on this planet by aliens. We are just way too advanced and different from any other species on Earth. If evolution were a thing, why are we so much smarter than the next smartest animal, a monkey or a dolphin? Its almost as if we had a billion year head start on them. The longest living creature on this planet, perhaps cockroaches or some other insect, is still way too primitive compared to us. We are just too different from other animals on this planet to have evolved at the same rate and over the same period of time.

[tpols]

Definitely believe in sentient, intelligent non-plant, non-animal, non-human life forms that are not confined to Earth.

true... why do you think they care about us so much? do you give any thought to judging the actions of lower life forms than yourself?

[tpols]

I feel like we were put on this planet by aliens. We are just way too advanced and different from any other species on Earth. If evolution were a thing, why are we so much smarter than the next smartest animal, a monkey or a dolphin? Its almost as if we had a billion year head start on them. The longest living creature on this planet, perhaps cockroaches or some other insect, is still way too primitive compared to us. We are just too different from other animals on this planet to have evolved at the same rate and over the same period of time.

Humans haven't been around that long. It's like... 200,000 years. Even if you tripled that or 10x it... it's still nothing compared to other life forms that existed for 100 million years. constantly transforming into slightly different form and taking a divergent evolutionary path with each repetition.

Think about 1 million years from now... on a time scale of the earth's history that's a pebble's throw. So lets say after countless conflict and war and development... isn't it possible humans will be in an evolved state compared to now? How about in 10 million years? (another drop in the bucket) The humans that survive and evolve will likely make us look the same way a caveman does to us now.

[Patrick Chewing]

If anything, the aliens are us from the future.

[pew]

Humans haven't been around that long. It's like... 200,000 years. Even if you tripled that or 10x it... it's still nothing compared to other life forms that existed for 100 million years. constantly transforming into slightly different form and taking a divergent evolutionary path with each repetition.

Think about 1 million years from now... on a time scale of the earth's history that's a pebble's throw. So lets say after countless conflict and war and development... isn't it possible humans will be in an evolved state compared to now? How about in 10 million years? (another drop in the bucket) The humans that survive and evolve will likely make us look the same way a caveman does to us now.

Or maybe, humans have only been around for 200,000 years on this planet. Maybe we’ve had billions of years of evolution on a different planet. Hence why we are so much more advanced.

[Horatio33]

Of course there is life in the universe. Probably millions of planets in the Milky Way with life forms on them, but the galaxy, never mind the universe, is so vast that other life forms won't come into contact with us. It takes light years to travel to the nearest star, it takes the New Horizons spacecraft 18,000 years to travel the one light year.

[Vino24]

How is it that we have existed for 200k years but have only made significant progress in the last 120 years?

[TheMan]

Someone else pointed it out, statistically it's virtually impossible for there not to be life elsewhere. Now only question that remains is if there is other intelligent life and how advanced are they. It is quite frightening to think alien life can travel to our planet considering the vast distances. Any intelligent life that can get to Earth would be much much much much more advanced than us. Currently we don't have the technologyto reach the next habitable planets, much less our own galaxy, within the lifetime of the traveling astronauts.

[Axe]

And i thought Shogon looked like an alien who's a very lunatic one

[bladefd]

There are 200 billion stars in our galaxy. 80% of those stars have at least one planet. 1/5 of them have at least one planet in Goldilocks zone - not too hot or too cold for liquid water - so that's 40 billion planets minimum. There are other conditions we must account for (like runaway greenhouse effect ala Venus or too thin atmosphere) but lets say 1% of that is able to harbor life. Leaves 400 million planets per galaxy and there are estimated to be 100 billion galaxies.

That's 40 quintillion chances to harbor advanced life (4 with 19 zeroes). Life definitely exists, we just haven't found it yet due to the cosmic distances we are talking

[~primetime~]

There are 200 billion stars in our galaxy. 80% of those stars have at least one planet. 1/5 of them have at least one planet in Goldilocks zone - not too hot or too cold for liquid water - so that's 40 billion planets minimum. There are other conditions we must account for (like runaway greenhouse effect ala Venus or too thin atmosphere) but lets say 1% of that is able to harbor life. Leaves 400 million planets per galaxy and there are estimated to be 100 billion galaxies.

That's 40 quintillion chances to harbor advanced life (4 with 19 zeroes). Life definitely exists, we just haven't found it yet due to the cosmic distances we are talking


and this is only in the observable universe...

for all we know the universe is infinite...the stars go on forever



and an infinite amount of stars is hard to comprehend...that would mean eventually there would be a planet identical to ours in every way...down to the last atom...and there is a being identical me, typing the same thing I am. Not only that, but there are an infinite amount of identical planets to ours...it never ends.

[n00bie]

By that logic there would have to be a cognizant force running the simulation. Which doubles down on your second sentence.

True. That's some deep shlt.

[FKAri]

Or maybe, humans have only been around for 200,000 years on this planet. Maybe we’ve had billions of years of evolution on a different planet. Hence why we are so much more advanced.

Except we aren't more advanced. We just happened to evolve in the direction of intelligence whereas other forms of life went in other directions (speed, strength, size, camouflage, flight). So far it has ended up working out really well for us. But if we end up killing ourselves due to our own stupidity then our evolutionary line was a failure. You could let other life evolve for millions of more years and it doesn't mean they're all going to all start a civilization.

[pew]

Except we aren't more advanced. We just happened to evolve in the direction of intelligence whereas other forms of life went in other directions (speed, strength, size, camouflage, flight). So far it has ended up working out really well for us. But if we end up killing ourselves due to our own stupidity then our evolutionary line was a failure. You could let other life evolve for millions of more years and it doesn't mean they're all going to all start a civilization.

Good points. However I just think if we truly originated from this planet, there should be other species that also evolved with intelligence as priority. There should be something in between apes and humans.

[bladefd]

and this is only in the observable universe...

for all we know the universe is infinite...the stars go on forever



and an infinite amount of stars is hard to comprehend...that would mean eventually there would be a planet identical to ours in every way...down to the last atom...and there is a being identical me, typing the same thing I am. Not only that, but there are an infinite amount of identical planets to ours...it never ends.

You are probably referring to multiverses?

[iamgine]

I believe there are other 'intelligent' life forms but not aliens from other planets. More what we call God, angel, devil.

If you need confirmation of these 'other dimensional' life forms, there are places you could visit. It's not very common in America or Europe but in Asia, it's quite common.

[Gabe Ball]

Most likely exist but don’t want anything to do with us

That reminds me of how Neil DeGrasse Tyson talked about aliens. He said that aliens would see us much like we see ants. We know they exist, but have you ever stopped to have a conversation with an ant?

[1987_Lakers]

A UFO landing happened in my town before I was born.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case452.htm

[Sulico]

No, I don't.
With all the science fiction on TV, and in the books, a lot of people do not realize how unique and ideal situation here on Earth is.

We still don't even know how life was created. That alone was probably one in a billion chance situation.
Then we have a star that was so stable that didn't bother life for 4 billion years and that increased heat slightly as planet cooled down.
Then we are so far from galaxy core that we don't have any galactic disasters like black holes or neighboring supernovas bothering us.
Then we have a planet that is very dense and full of heavy elements.
Then we have a huge gas giants in outer space to protect us from meteors, comets and other planets.
Then we take all the extinctions that Earth have been through and how they reshaped the life here. That was pure freaking luck.
Ozon layer, Eart's magnetic field, mild tectonic and seismic activity, etc. all the crap that protect us from things like radiation might not be very common out there.

End even after all that played in our favour, it took almost 4 billion years of evolution and god damn millions of instances of pure luck to get intelligent life on Earth.
I really fear that chances of intelligent life on a planet might be one in few trillions or even lower and the nearest one might be in the other galaxies, and not even in the neightboring ones, which is the same as if it didn't exist, because there is pretty much no way we can travel to other galaxies ever.

[Axe]

No, I don't.
With all the science fiction on TV, and in the books, a lot of people do not realize how unique and ideal situation here on Earth is.

We still don't even know how life was created. That alone was probably one in a billion chance situation.
Then we have a star that was so stable that didn't bother life for 4 billion years and that increased heat slightly as planet cooled down.
Then we are so far from galaxy core that we don't have any galactic disasters like black holes or neighboring supernovas bothering us.
Then we have a planet that is very dense and full of heavy elements.
Then we have a huge gas giants in outer space to protect us from meteors, comets and other planets.
Then we take all the extinctions that Earth have been through and how they reshaped the life here. That was pure freaking luck.
Ozon layer, Eart's magnetic field, mild tectonic and seismic activity, etc. all the crap that protect us from things like radiation might not be very common out there.

End even after all that played in our favour, it took almost 4 billion years of evolution and god damn millions of instances of pure luck to get intelligent life on Earth.
I really fear that chances of intelligent life on a planet might be one in few trillions or even lower and the nearest one might be in the other galaxies, and not even in the neightboring ones, which is the same as if it didn't exist, because there is pretty much no way we can travel to other galaxies ever.
Why are you not using your main dup Stephonit anymore

[bladefd]

No, I don't.
With all the science fiction on TV, and in the books, a lot of people do not realize how unique and ideal situation here on Earth is.

We still don't even know how life was created. That alone was probably one in a billion chance situation.
Then we have a star that was so stable that didn't bother life for 4 billion years and that increased heat slightly as planet cooled down.
Then we are so far from galaxy core that we don't have any galactic disasters like black holes or neighboring supernovas bothering us.
Then we have a planet that is very dense and full of heavy elements.
Then we have a huge gas giants in outer space to protect us from meteors, comets and other planets.
Then we take all the extinctions that Earth have been through and how they reshaped the life here. That was pure freaking luck.
Ozon layer, Eart's magnetic field, mild tectonic and seismic activity, etc. all the crap that protect us from things like radiation might not be very common out there.

End even after all that played in our favour, it took almost 4 billion years of evolution and god damn millions of instances of pure luck to get intelligent life on Earth.
I really fear that chances of intelligent life on a planet might be one in few trillions or even lower and the nearest one might be in the other galaxies, and not even in the neightboring ones, which is the same as if it didn't exist, because there is pretty much no way we can travel to other galaxies ever.

40 quintillion contains 13 million of 3 trillions in it. So you are saying 13 million planets harbor advanced life across the universe?

How could 13 million = "No, I don't believe advanced life exists outside of our Earth"??

Also keep in mind that 40 quintillion excludes 99% of all planets in habitable zone. So further accounting in your estimate on top of that, we are already in rare territory excluding something like 99.99% of all planets. It still leaves us with 13 million planets. I bet you probability is quite a bit higher than that. The problem is the vast distances unfortunately. Nobody has 200 years to wait to send a short message reply to a message that traveled for 200 years. That civilization might already have moved on or killed itself off..

[Sulico]

40 quintillion contains 13 million of 3 trillions in it. So you are saying 13 million planets harbor advanced life across the universe?

How could 13 million = "No, I don't believe advanced life exists outside of our Earth"??

First of all, it might be much lower than that. It might be higher also, but we don't know and I'm a pessimist.

Second of all, the question was "do you believe in aliens?" "Aliens" implies that we will at least have evidence of their existence in our species lifetime or even have a contact with them. Which I don't believe will ever happen.
The solid mathematic probability that intelligent life exist somewhere is irrelevant if we'll never have the evidence of that before humans inevitably die out.

[Phoenix]

Most likely exist but don’t want anything to do with us

If they ever came across this forum I can't say I blame them. And if that doesn't do the trick, watching 2020 unfold certainly would.

In all seriousness, I have a hard time believing we're the only sentient beings in the universe. Maybe we're the ones isolated from a much larger collective of sentient beings, but human arrogance makes us think we're more special than we probably really are in the big picture. I mean ultimately, for whatever forces led to our existence why would those forces concentrate those efforts solely into what is in essence a speck of dust( the size of earth relative to the universe). There are things out there we are way too primitive to comprehend based on current technology and science.

[Kblaze8855]

The numbers are just too insane to say we are it. The people who use" We would have found it by now." are out of their minds. If you get dropped some places on earth you could not see another person for months with 7 billion of of us running around. But we are supposed to have found life on one of trillions and trillions of planets when the speed of light wouldnt even get us far(relatively speaking) in a lifetime if we did have warp drives. Our galaxy is 50,000 years across if you had a light speed ship. If the cavemen had a warp drive....they wouldnt have crossed one galaxy. And there are more galaxies than we can even imagine. We may be alone in our corner. We arent alone.

[Sulico]

The numbers are just too insane to say we are it. The people who use" We would have found it by now." are out of their minds. If you get dropped some places on earth you could not see another person for months with 7 billion of of us running around. But we are supposed to have found life on one of trillions and trillions of planets when the speed of light wouldnt even get us far(relatively speaking) in a lifetime if we did have warp drives. Our galaxy is 50,000 years across if you had a light speed ship. If the cavemen had a warp drive....they wouldnt have crossed one galaxy. And there are more galaxies than we can even imagine. We may be alone in our corner. We arent alone.

What is the difference between being alone, and not being alone but not be able to find out and prove that we are not alone in, let's say, half a billion years that humans left to live?

So maybe nearest sentient life somewhere in the Shapley supercluster. And they sent amazingly strong greeting signal right about now to all other sentient life. The signal will be here in about 650 million years. If Humans are extinct by then, how is it not the same as being alone?

[msbutthurt]

The numbers are just too insane to say we are it. The people who use" We would have found it by now." are out of their minds. If you get dropped some places on earth you could not see another person for months with 7 billion of of us running around. But we are supposed to have found life on one of trillions and trillions of planets when the speed of light wouldnt even get us far(relatively speaking) in a lifetime if we did have warp drives. Our galaxy is 50,000 years across if you had a light speed ship. If the cavemen had a warp drive....they wouldnt have crossed one galaxy. And there are more galaxies than we can even imagine. We may be alone in our corner. We arent alone.


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[Rolando]

How is it that we have existed for 200k years but have only made significant progress in the last 120 years?

That's not necessarily true. All you have to do is take a look at those enormous, purely geometric, pyramids in Egypt. There are a number of people who believe that there was a fairly advanced version of human civilization in North Africa that got wiped out through some kind of comet strike / climate catastrophe about 13,000 years ago. The Sahara used to be green. There were huge lakes and rivers there and, an absolutely thriving human presence.

The people who came before us were masters of certain arts having to do with stonework which have been lost to history.

And, yes, of course aliens exist.

[FKAri]

The numbers are just too insane to say we are it. The people who use" We would have found it by now." are out of their minds. If you get dropped some places on earth you could not see another person for months with 7 billion of of us running around. But we are supposed to have found life on one of trillions and trillions of planets when the speed of light wouldnt even get us far(relatively speaking) in a lifetime if we did have warp drives. Our galaxy is 50,000 years across if you had a light speed ship. If the cavemen had a warp drive....they wouldnt have crossed one galaxy. And there are more galaxies than we can even imagine. We may be alone in our corner. We arent alone.


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You could cross light years in fractions of a second for you if you are traveling close enough to the speed of light.

[rawimpact]

You could cross light years in fractions of a second for you if you are traveling close enough to the speed of light.


lol what?

A light year is a measure of distance that it takes for light to travel over a period of a year.

So to say if you travel at the speed of light, you can travel a light year in seconds is absolutely false

[rufuspaul]

The aliens gave us COVID-19

[n00bie]

The aliens gave us COVID-19

Makes sense that the Chinese are aliens. They are smarter than the rest of the world and eat weird things.

[FKAri]

lol what?

A light year is a measure of distance that it takes for light to travel over a period of a year.

So to say if you travel at the speed of light, you can travel a light year in seconds is absolutely false

It's true.

[Lebron23]

Yes i believe in extra terestials.

[Sulico]

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You could cross light years in fractions of a second for you if you are traveling close enough to the speed of light.

Impossible for any object with a mass. So you should remove "you" out of equation.

[Smook A.]

There's hundreds of billions of galaxies in the observable universe and probably an OCTILLION amount of stars and planets (which is probably still an understatement). There's absolutely no way there isn't more life out there.

[TheCorporation]

Humans haven't been around that long. It's like... 200,000 years. Even if you tripled that or 10x it... it's still nothing compared to other life forms that existed for 100 million years. constantly transforming into slightly different form and taking a divergent evolutionary path with each repetition.

Think about 1 million years from now... on a time scale of the earth's history that's a pebble's throw. So lets say after countless conflict and war and development... isn't it possible humans will be in an evolved state compared to now? How about in 10 million years? (another drop in the bucket) The humans that survive and evolve will likely make us look the same way a caveman does to us now.

Think about the first life forms that existed that were only one cell or two cells and they were comprised of bacteria cells basically and then think about the jumps they have made to become a complex living life form.

[bladefd]

First of all, it might be much lower than that. It might be higher also, but we don't know and I'm a pessimist.

Second of all, the question was "do you believe in aliens?" "Aliens" implies that we will at least have evidence of their existence in our species lifetime or even have a contact with them. Which I don't believe will ever happen.
The solid mathematic probability that intelligent life exist somewhere is irrelevant if we'll never have the evidence of that before humans inevitably die out.

No, that question implies that that advanced life exists beyond the Earth or it does not (directly from OP). Whether we contact them or not is another question.

You were saying life could be an unique phenomena on Earth. I'm telling you the universe is way too vast. Hell, forget the universe but our own galaxy is too vast to say our Earth is an unique case relative to 40 billion planets in the habitable zone for our galaxy alone.

[bladefd]

The numbers are just too insane to say we are it. The people who use" We would have found it by now." are out of their minds. If you get dropped some places on earth you could not see another person for months with 7 billion of of us running around. But we are supposed to have found life on one of trillions and trillions of planets when the speed of light wouldnt even get us far(relatively speaking) in a lifetime if we did have warp drives. Our galaxy is 50,000 years across if you had a light speed ship. If the cavemen had a warp drive....they wouldnt have crossed one galaxy. And there are more galaxies than we can even imagine. We may be alone in our corner. We arent alone.

The idea of a warp drive is that it would have to be able to travel faster than light. If we had an actual warp drive that can travel at warp 10 like the USS Enterprise, we could cross the milky way galaxy in a lifetime. Physics does not forbid such a drive like Alcubbiere drive that warps space around you but you would need some exotic energy source that does not currently exist. I don't know if an advanced civilization much more advanced than us could possibly be capable of something like compiling enough antimatter or something way more exotic to power it. We don't know what we don't know

[Sulico]

No, that question implies that that advanced life exists beyond the Earth or it does not (directly from OP). Whether we contact them or not is another question.

You were saying life could be an unique phenomena on Earth. I'm telling you the universe is way too vast. Hell, forget the universe but our own galaxy is too vast to say our Earth is an unique case relative to 40 billion planets in the habitable zone for our galaxy alone.

It's not another question.

Humans is starting point of coordinate system called "life". We invented the word "life", gave it meaning. Universe cannot be the starting point, because universe does not recognise life or care about it. For universe life is just another congestion of matter, nothing else. Same with "intelligence". So it does not matter if there is life in the universe if we never contact it or prove it exists in other way. The answer to the equation would be the same as if didn't exist.

Drake equation suggests that you are wrong. Life does not exist anywhere in observable universe.
The equation itself is pretty flawed and almost useless. But so is the question at this point. At least it's better than nothing.
We know almost nothing right now, but what we do know is it took 4 billion years to develop intelligent life on a planet with pretty much perfect circumstances and this does not add any optimism to the people who hope to find life out there, because universe is pretty rough place for living cells.

[FKAri]

I'm sure there are things out there that will challenge our definition for life, consciousness, intelligence, sentience. It's incredible how diverse life on just our planet is. It's hard to imagine what else is possible.


Impossible for any object with a mass. So you should remove "you" out of equation.

Not physically impossible for an object with mass to travel close to the speed of light.

[msbutthurt]

Yes, aliens are real. I seen them crossing the border.

[tpols]

I'm sure there are things out there that will challenge our definition for life, consciousness, intelligence, sentience. It's incredible how diverse life on just our planet is. It's hard to imagine what else is possible.


less of physical life and beings that evolved to transcend our puny understanding of all the different dimensions. :D

[CelticBaller]

I believe there’s life outside this planet because the universe is just so ridiculously big that is highly unlikely that this is the only planet with life forms in it

I don’t believe in UFO being aliens tho, any life that gets here wouldn’t be spying on us.

[imdaman99]

Yep there has to be. Impossible that this is the only planet in all of existence with life. That wouldn't make any sense.

Any aliens that can reach us, are going to be far more advanced than us so I would not want us to war. We can't get to other galaxies in our lifetimes.

[bladefd]

It's not another question.

Humans is starting point of coordinate system called "life". We invented the word "life", gave it meaning. Universe cannot be the starting point, because universe does not recognise life or care about it. For universe life is just another congestion of matter, nothing else. Same with "intelligence". So it does not matter if there is life in the universe if we never contact it or prove it exists in other way. The answer to the equation would be the same as if didn't exist.

Drake equation suggests that you are wrong. Life does not exist anywhere in observable universe.
The equation itself is pretty flawed and almost useless. But so is the question at this point. At least it's better than nothing.
We know almost nothing right now, but what we do know is it took 4 billion years to develop intelligent life on a planet with pretty much perfect circumstances and this does not add any optimism to the people who hope to find life out there, because universe is pretty rough place for living cells.

OP: Do you believe aliens exist?
Sulico: No, I don't.

I was quoting you. One answer is to say alien civilization doesn't exist, another answer is to say it probably exists but we will never contact them.
I believe we will never contact them =/= I believe there is no life beyond our planet

I'm just clarifying the difference. You seem to be in the latter answer and so am I. So there is no disagreement.

Also, circumstances are far from perfect even on Earth, but life has been pretty resilient. You can go to the bottom of the Mariana Trench and find life down there in some of the harshest conditions we know of (very high pressure that would make land animals just pop, no oxygen, extreme weather beyond recognition). Life has found a way to exist even down there. I won't be surprised if the first alien life in microbe/single-celled organisms or even multi-celled organisms we find is right here in our own solar system on Mars or one of the moons around Jupiter/Saturn

[Jasper]

Carl Sagan had some awesome theories , but if he believed there were other life forms out in space , I have to too !!!
Imagine if 1/2 the aliens that are perceived on Star Trek are real , we are definitely groomed for the extraordinary future the
human race will be in story for in the future.... the question we will always ask , will we be friends or foe's to these beings.....

[Sulico]

OP: Do you believe aliens exist?
Sulico: No, I don't.

I was quoting you. One answer is to say alien civilization doesn't exist, another answer is to say it probably exists but we will never contact them.
I believe we will never contact them =/= I believe there is no life beyond our planet

I'm just clarifying the difference. You seem to be in the latter answer and so am I. So there is no disagreement.

Also, circumstances are far from perfect even on Earth, but life has been pretty resilient. You can go to the bottom of the Mariana Trench and find life down there in some of the harshest conditions we know of (very high pressure that would make land animals just pop, no oxygen, extreme weather beyond recognition). Life has found a way to exist even down there. I won't be surprised if the first alien life in microbe/single-celled organisms or even multi-celled organisms we find is right here in our own solar system on Mars or one of the moons around Jupiter/Saturn

Life seems resilient when it had millions of years to adapt to very slowly changing conditions of habitat.
But what if conditions change fast?
Can life survive star's evolution to the next stage? Or even if neghboring star goes supernova, or evolves to any of othe violent states?
Can life survive collision with big objects, or clouds of interstellar matter?
It needs freaking liquid water that only exist in 100 degrees range with atm. pressure out of 100 billion degrees range that occur in the universe.

Life as we know it is terribly fragile. And we, humans, ourself might make it really obvious in the very near future.
Resilience of life is not a great argument for abundance of life in the universe. The size of universe is.
And while I agree that universe is huge enough for a great probability of any random event to occure at least more than once, right now we don't see life anywhere except here. And that makes me sceptical.

[Sulico]

I'm sure there are things out there that will challenge our definition for life, consciousness, intelligence, sentience. It's incredible how diverse life on just our planet is. It's hard to imagine what else is possible.



Not physically impossible for an object with mass to travel close to the speed of light.

It requires infinite ammount of energy to accelerate object with a mass to speed of light. Which means it requires almost infinite ammount of energy to accelereate such object to almost speed of light.
I say we rule out you burning hundreds of galaxies worth of mass to get enough energy to get to almost speed of light and travel one light year in a second as impossible.

[Uncle Drew]

It's irrationally obnoxious to think we're the only intelligent form of life out there. We've barely discovered our own sea and therefore planet, let alone others, let alone the entire universe. :oldlol: Who knows what's out there. For all I care, Dragon Ball Super is on the money with there being a multiverse.

[msbutthurt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJZ9sqvH9dY

[Raymone]

I was riding in a car one night when I was a kid in the late 90s in a somewhat rural area. As I was just kind of blankly staring out of the window I realized that I was looking at one side of a massive disk-shaped object in the sky. I can't remember if I saw any dim lights on it or not, but the light of the moon made part of this huge object visible to me. It was completely still, no movement. No sound either, although I believe I had my window rolled up. With how large it seemed, I had trouble even gauging how far away it was. I want to say that I saw very faint bulbs of light on the surface of this thing, but I can't be sure about recalling that detail. I just remember the shape of this object and how big it appeared to be.

I've never really known what it was I saw that night. I've thought that maybe it was a cloud or some other weather phenomenon, but I've never really seen clouds form the perfect edge of a disk like that.