Nba, covid, and Florida...correlation not causation

[oldtimer28]

Don't want to go political, told you so, or weird lbj directions...

Seriously, nba announced Florida return early June. Florida cases were max about a 1000 per day and the curve flat. Since, they have skyrocketed up to over 10,000 per day.

Haven't seen curves of testing in Florida. The same? I know more testing only gives more 'detected' cases. So was Florida always this bad, but there are more tests there this month? Or other explanations?

Meanwhile, vegas cases are generally flat.

I am not concerned with the mortality of covid...recoveries seem to be improving/we are better prepared.

The divisiveness of the issue, combined with the world power election in November is concerning though.

[SATAN]

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[Axe]

Well, they are so hell-bent in resuming the season. At least they're making efforts for the return but I'm fine either way. I only wonder why they picked florida out of all states, i haven't read about it yet. Anyway, we'll just wait and see what happens here.


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Thank you for the insight.

[SATAN]

I only wonder why they picked florida out of all states, i haven't read about it yet.

From wiki:

"ESPN (originally an initialism for Entertainment and Sports Programming Network) is an American multinational basic cable sports channel owned by ESPN Inc., owned jointly by The Walt Disney Company (80%) and Hearst Communications (20%)."

[Axe]

From wiki:

"ESPN (originally an initialism for Entertainment and Sports Programming Network) is an American multinational basic cable sports channel owned by ESPN Inc., owned jointly by The Walt Disney Company (80%) and Hearst Communications (20%)."
Oh yes, because disney. I realized and tried to remember but completely forgot about it.

[bullettooth]

I only wonder why they picked florida out of all states, i haven't read about it yet.

It's where LeBron's roid dealer is.

[insight]

Don't want to go political, told you so, or weird lbj directions...

Seriously, nba announced Florida return early June. Florida cases were max about a 1000 per day and the curve flat. Since, they have skyrocketed up to over 10,000 per day.

Haven't seen curves of testing in Florida. The same? I know more testing only gives more 'detected' cases. So was Florida always this bad, but there are more tests there this month? Or other explanations?

Meanwhile, vegas cases are generally flat.

I am not concerned with the mortality of covid...recoveries seem to be improving/we are better prepared.

The divisiveness of the issue, combined with the world power election in November is concerning though.
If you look at the hospital rates, you can tell the increase is caused by more cases and not simply explained by increased testing. The number of Covid hospitalizations in Florida increased 30% in one week, which indicates the virus is out of control.
Florida opened too quickly and made the health of it's citizens a political issue instead of following the guidelines the health experts had laid out. The fear has always been the number of Covid cases would be so high it would overwhelm our healthcare system and prevent hospitals from treating people with heart attacks, car accidents and other life threatening issues. This is why the the country shut down in the first place, it wasn't to save lives, directly but to avoid a complete health system collapse. Unfortunately due to incompetence and lack of leadership, we may reach that point anyway and if we do the death rates will explode and everybody will want to live in a bubble.

[oldtimer28]

If you look at the hospital rates, you can tell the increase is caused by more cases and not simply explained by increased testing. The number of Covid hospitalizations in Florida increased 30% in one week, which indicates the virus is out of control.
Florida opened too quickly and made the health of it's citizens a political issue instead of following the guidelines the health experts had laid out. The fear has always been the number of Covid cases would be so high it would overwhelm our healthcare system and prevent hospitals from treating people with heart attacks, car accidents and other life threatening issues. This is why the the country shut down in the first place, it wasn't to save lives, directly but to avoid a complete health system collapse. Unfortunately due to incompetence and lack of leadership, we may reach that point anyway and if we do the death rates will explode and everybody will want to live in a bubble.

Thanks for trying to be informative but it's so obviously political.

This President Trump hatred is the worst treason I have seen in my life, and much of the hatred is from outside the U.S.

It's impossible to prove leadership is a factor with a pandemic, let alone that anyone else could do better. Every situation is different.

Vegas has the same President as Florida, one State out of control and another not. Both reopened about the same time. Or Georgia or Texas.

Point was, why Florida? NYC early made sense due to lots of people close together in a high travel city.

[insight]

Thanks for trying to be informative but it's so obviously political.

This President Trump hatred is the worst treason I have seen in my life, and much of the hatred is from outside the U.S.

It's impossible to prove leadership is a factor with a pandemic, let alone that anyone else could do better. Every situation is different.

Vegas has the same President as Florida, one State out of control and another not. Both reopened about the same time. Or Georgia or Texas.

Point was, why Florida? NYC early made sense due to lots of people close together in a high travel city.
It is very telling that you assumed all my comments were about Trump I will say he hasn't stepped up to the challenge of leading this country through these challenges. Ebola, HIV, Swine Flu, Sars, H1N1, were not politicized like Covid 19 which is why the countries response was more effective and unified.
I believe politicians should rely on experts and data during a pandemic and Florida's Governor did not which is why they lead the world in cases per day right now.
I disagree with you statement it is impossible to evaluate leadership during a crisis, in fact a persons true character is often revealed during a crisis.
I stated the facts, you may not like them but the numbers are the numbers. If you follow the scientific data it shows the US flattened the curve nationally during the shut down along with Europe. Leadership helped make that happen which was a good thing. Why did the cases in the US skyrocket again and Europe went down? Instead of implementing a national strategy to safely reopen the country using CDC guidelines each state was allowed to decide how to reopen with most states ignoring scientific data and CDC guidelines. Vegas may have fewer cases now, but the virus has no borders and will eventually increase if citizens do not social distance, wear mask etc. The real sad thing is we as Americans couldn't even agree to wear mask, and many still believe the virus is a Hoax.
This is why if you look at our cases compared to the European Union after the curve was flattened Europe continues to drop and the US cases continue to grow out of control.
The US has 5% of the worlds population but leads the world in number of cases and deaths. The US is
wealthiest country in the world and spends about 17% GDP on healthcare which is twice as much an average country yet we have more Covid deaths than any other country. WHY? Poor Leadership!

If Florida was a country is would be ranked 9 in Covid cases in the world. This is ridiculous, and ALL AMERICANS should wonder why this country can't get it's act together. Government officials and politicians are literally suing each other over mandates to wear mask instead of doing what the science dictates to control the spread of the virus. I have seen a lot in my lifetime, but nothing compares to the level of incompetence I have witnessed over the past few months.


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[oldtimer28]

It is very telling that you assumed all my comments were about Trump I will say he hasn't stepped up to the challenge of leading this country through these challenges. Ebola, HIV, Swine Flu, Sars, H1N1, were not politicized like Covid 19 which is why the countries response was more effective and unified.
I believe politicians should rely on experts and data during a pandemic and Florida's Governor did not which is why they lead the world in cases per day right now.
I disagree with you statement it is impossible to evaluate leadership during a crisis, in fact a persons true character is often revealed during a crisis.
I stated the facts, you may not like them but the numbers are the numbers. If you follow the scientific data it shows the US flattened the curve nationally during the shut down along with Europe. Leadership helped make that happen which was a good thing. Why did the cases in the US skyrocket again and Europe went down? Instead of implementing a national strategy to safely reopen the country using CDC guidelines each state was allowed to decide how to reopen with most states ignoring scientific data and CDC guidelines. Vegas may have fewer cases now, but the virus has no borders and will eventually increase if citizens do not social distance, wear mask etc. The real sad thing is we as Americans couldn't even agree to wear mask, and many still believe the virus is a Hoax.
This is why if you look at our cases compared to the European Union after the curve was flattened Europe continues to drop and the US cases continue to grow out of control.
The US has 5% of the worlds population but leads the world in number of cases and deaths. The US is
wealthiest country in the world and spends about 17% GDP on healthcare which is twice as much an average country yet we have more Covid deaths than any other country. WHY? Poor Leadership!

If Florida was a country is would be ranked 9 in Covid cases in the world. This is ridiculous, and ALL AMERICANS should wonder why this country can't get it's act together. Government officials and politicians are literally suing each other over mandates to wear mask instead of doing what the science dictates to control the spread of the virus. I have seen a lot in my lifetime, but nothing compares to the level of incompetence I have witnessed over the past few months.


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Ha, sorry. Not even going to argue with you. You didn't provide anything resembling logic.

If you figure out how to measure leadership reliably then you are a gazillionaire genius.

Your pretty graphic is superficial and meaningless.

I suspect you're young.

All the best.

P.S sorry about the deaths. I do feel for the U.S. It could be much worse though with another leader. Or the same. Or better. Pure speculation. I am pro U.S. Thus, hope President Trump is re-elected.

Leaving this thread as I DID NOT WANT IT TO BE POLITICAL. You had to ruin it.

[insight]

Ha, sorry. Not even going to argue with you. You didn't provide anything resembling logic.

If you figure out how to measure leadership reliably then you are a gazillionaire genius.

Your pretty graphic is superficial and meaningless.

I suspect you're young.

All the best.

P.S sorry about the deaths. I do feel for the U.S. It could be much worse though with another leader. Or the same. Or better. Pure speculation. I am pro U.S. Thus, hope President Trump is re-elected.

Leaving this thread as I DID NOT WANT IT TO BE POLITICAL. You had to ruin it.
Sorry you feel that way, it could be a Democrat in the White House and I would feel the same way. I am an Independent and feel both parties are not serving the people, Our biggest problem as a country is people are putting political party over what is ethnically right or wrong. Leadership is about taking responsibility for all the decisions you make right or wrong and looking out for the interest of all the people in the country. We access leadership all the time, people know if their boss is a good Leader, based on how they run the company. We evaluate a Team Owner or Head coach based on how they lead the organization and players. Let's not pretend what I talking about is rocket science, poor leadership is obvious to those with an objective mind. Supporting someone does not mean you have to agree with them all the time or refuse to recognize when they are not doing their job. I wish you well and hope you stay safe.