Tony Parker was the last point guard to win an NBA Finals MVP

[Lebron23]

And it's been 13 years ago. Most of the finals mvp in the past years were small forwards.

[3ball]

Duncan deserved MVP imo

Btw, Lebron plays PG too - same role as Parker

It's tougher for ball-dominators to win because ball-domination < ball movement

That's why ball-dominators need excessive supporting talent to win (Magic had Kareem/Worthy and Lebron had several big 3's)

[Carbine]

He wasn't really a true PG. He was a combo guard.

He averaged 4 assists per game, probably one of the lowest assist totals of all time for a FMVP.

[Lebron23]

Duncan deserved MVP imo

Btw, Lebron plays PG too - same role as Parker

It's tougher for ball-dominators to win because ball-domination < ball movement

That's why ball-dominators need excessive supporting talent to win (Magic had Kareem/Worthy and Lebron had several big 3's)

Huh. Parker averaged 24 ppg in the 2007 NBA Finals. Lebron was the leading scorers of his teams when he won his 3 finals MVP.

[3ball]

He wasn't really a true PG. He was a combo guard.

He averaged 4 assists per game, probably one of the lowest assist totals of all time for a FMVP.

This is true

He wasn't a ball-dominator, similar to Isiah Thomas alongside Dumars, although Isiah's assists we're slightly higher

[3ball]

Lebron was the leading scorers of his teams when he won his 3 finals MVP




Barely..

he only averaged 2-5 more than his sidekick in his 3 Finals wins with equal possession usage (shared load)

Otoh, Jordan averaged 10-20 more than his sidekick in every Finals, with far higher usage (carry jobs)

[Lebron23]

Barely..

he only averaged 2-5 more than his sidekick in his 3 Finals wins with equal possession usage (shared load)

Otoh, Jordan averaged 10-20 more than his sidekick in every Finals, with far higher usage (carry jobs)

Jordan was a ballhog. Pippen's defense is getting underrated in this forum. Jordan played with Stackhouse and Larry Hughes in 2003. And they missed the playoffs.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Just goes to show that point guards have lesser impact then pretty much any other position, its a big mans game (6"6 and over). Every top 10 goat is at least 6"6 tall. All parker did was torch an embarrassing defense, that title was won because Duncan/Manu.

[Shooter]

Barely..

he only averaged 2-5 more than his sidekick in his 3 Finals wins with equal possession usage (shared load)

Otoh, Jordan averaged 10-20 more than his sidekick in every Finals, with far higher usage (carry jobs)

So MJ just took more shots. Got it :lol

If you're not a good passer like MJ it makes sense all he could do to impact a game is shoot. His passing is below average compared to other greats.

[Horatio33]

Kawhi Leonard should have won the 2007 finals MVP.

[tpols]

He was a single shot away from 2 FMVP's.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He was a single shot away from 2 FMVP's.

Spurs were up 3-2 though so that's considered a chokejob. Once they gave Kawhi the ball in 2014 finals, they whiped the floor with Miami heat. Tony Parker also shot like shit look at his TS in finals

Also, kawhi led spurs in 2013 in BPM and minutes during the finals. Kawhi's on/off numbers also destroy Duncan for the playoffs. I think Kawhi has a better case then anybody for finals MVP or playoff MVP. They didn't have your typical #1 option go 2 scorer.

[light]

LeBron won in 2016. He was their defacto point guard.

[SouBeachTalents]

He was a single shot away from 2 FMVP's.
Nah, Duncan would've won in 2013

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi Leonard should have won the 3 straight finals MVPS from 2013-2015

I agree but ray allen made that shot over Parker in 2013 and Chris Paul made that shot over Tim Duncan.

Tony Parker can't close out on 3 pointers for shit off an offensive rebound.

Chris Paul made that shot over Duncan's old ass jumping 1 inch off the ground and can't block a midget.

Not Kawhi's fault. He at least dominated 2014 finals with 3 straight wins averaging 24PPG

[Stanley Kobrick]

stephen curry went to 5 straight Finals and didn't win one single Finals MVP, zero votes curry (ZVC)

[HBK_Kliq_2]

stephen curry went to 5 straight Finals and didn't win one single Finals MVP, zero votes curry (ZVC)

Definition of a cherry picker. Once his boys ran away from him, he sat out a full season. Zero finals MVPS is almost as bad as having no rings at all, your legacy feels naked.

Finals MVP > Regular season MVP

By far. Go ask Steve Nash and I guarantee you he trades both his reg season MVPS for 1 finals MVP.

[Uncle Drew]

Definition of a cherry picker. Once his boys ran away from him, he sat out a full season. Zero finals MVPS is almost as bad as having no rings at all, your legacy feels naked.

Finals MVP > Regular season MVP

By far. Go ask Steve Nash and I guarantee you he trades both his reg season MVPS for 1 finals MVP.

You’re only saying this knowing Kawhit has chance of even sniffing a regular season MVP. :roll: What a bum. Nash is a terrible example. He would trade his in because it meant having won a championship. He probably couldn’t give two shits about the MVP. Finals MVP’s can be arbitrary. One player can get hot for one series and that’s that. Danny Green or Gary Neal had a legitimate chance of having been FMVP’s had the Spurs closed it out in 6 (they definitely deserved it more than Kawhit). Regular season is an 82 game sample size, meaning you’ll have to be good night in, night out. In the Finals you have to be good for 4 games at worst.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

You’re only saying this knowing Kawhit has chance of even sniffing a regular season MVP. :roll: What a bum. Nash is a terrible example. He would trade his in because it meant having won a championship. He probably couldn’t give two shits about the MVP. Finals MVP’s can be arbitrary. One player can get hot for one series and that’s that. Danny Green or Gary Neal had a legitimate chance of having been FMVP’s had the Spurs closed it out in 6 (they definitely deserved it more than Kawhit). Regular season is an 82 game sample size, meaning you’ll have to be good night in, night out. In the Finals you have to be good for 4 games at worst.

Having a chance to win finals MVP doesn't count. Every single finals MVP is a hall of famer besides Iggy, that's a 99% hall of fame approval. Iggy also carved out a career that ended up being better then Derrick Rose, so the worst players to ever win both awards are close.

Kawhi may still win a reg season MVP down the road, so the argument is pretty much irrelevant anyway.

[Uncle Drew]

Having a chance to win finals MVP doesn't count. Every single finals MVP is a hall of famer besides Iggy, that's a 99% hall of fame approval. Iggy also carved out a career that ended up being better then Derrick Rose, so the worst players to ever win both awards are close.

Kawhi may still win a reg season MVP down the road, so the argument is pretty much irrelevant anyway.

To win MVP you have to actually, you know, play, so there’s any shot of Kawhit ever winning out of the window. :(

[HBK_Kliq_2]

To win MVP you have to actually, you know, play, so there’s any shot of Kawhit ever winning out of the window. :(

The MVP Giannis only totaled for 120 more minutes and that translates to 4 more games then Kawhi. That's not even significant. Bucks have also had Middleton in there a lot more then Clippers have Paul George.

Oh well, I will take 3 finals MVPS by the end of the season. We can figure out everything else later.

[houston]

He deserve it too. Parker have an underrated legacy as a player. Plus he was the team best player in 2014 win the Spurs won it.

[Uncle Drew]

The MVP Giannis only totaled for 120 more minutes and that translates to 4 more games then Kawhi.

Correct and if the season, and therefore his absence, would have continued, he wouldn't have won. :hammerhead: To win you have to play, Kawhit doesn't meet that requirement because he's a load managing loser.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Correct and if the season, and therefore his absence, would have continued, he wouldn't have won. :hammerhead: To win you have to play, Kawhit doesn't meet that requirement because he's a load managing loser.

The season for MVP voting ended already, it was kind of like a lockout year length. Giannis is going to win it despite only totaling up for 4 games more then Kawhi going by MPG (30 x 4).

[Uncle Drew]

The season for MVP voting ended already, it was kind of like a lockout year length. Giannis is going to win it despite only totaling up for 4 games more then Kawhi going by MPG (30 x 4).

It was referring to an 82 game season, are you an idiot?

[rmt]

He was a single shot away from 2 FMVP's.

Nope. Duncan would have won his 4th FMVP.

2013 NBA Finals
Duncan 18.9 pts 12.1 rebs 1.4 asst 0.9 stl 1.4 blk 49%FG
Parker 15.7 pts 1.9 rebs 6.4 asst 1.0 stl 0.1 blks 41.2 FG%

[Axe]

Nope. Duncan would have won his 4th FMVP.

2013 NBA Finals
Duncan 18.9 pts 12.1 rebs 1.4 asst 0.9 stl 1.4 blk 49%FG
Parker 15.7 pts 1.9 rebs 6.4 asst 1.0 stl 0.1 blks 41.2 FG%
Can't believe they're old but still they went 3-2 in that finals and pushed the heat to 7 games.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

It was referring to an 82 game season, are you an idiot?

ArbitraryWater, uncle drew, elitepower23 are all the same guy combining for 40k posts. Looks like I'm not an idiot after all lol

[insidious301]

Parker was easily deserving. He killed Cleveland that entire series!

[Overdrive]

Spurs were up 3-2 though so that's considered a chokejob. Once they gave Kawhi the ball in 2014 finals, they whiped the floor with Miami heat. Tony Parker also shot like shit look at his TS in finals

Also, kawhi led spurs in 2013 in BPM and minutes during the finals. Kawhi's on/off numbers also destroy Duncan for the playoffs. I think Kawhi has a better case then anybody for finals MVP or playoff MVP. They didn't have your typical #1 option go 2 scorer.

Why did Kawhi miss that FT with about 30secs left in G6? That FT robbed the Spurs of their 2013 championship.

[Uncle Drew]

Nope. Duncan would have won his 4th FMVP.

2013 NBA Finals
Duncan 18.9 pts 12.1 rebs 1.4 asst 0.9 stl 1.4 blk 49%FG
Parker 15.7 pts 1.9 rebs 6.4 asst 1.0 stl 0.1 blks 41.2 FG%

Duncan should have been Finals MVP in 2007 as well. Much respect.

[Rudeboy3]

The season for MVP voting ended already, it was kind of like a lockout year length. Giannis is going to win it despite only totaling up for 4 games more then Kawhi going by MPG (30 x 4).

foh chuck, giannis played 6 more games than kawhit despite him missing the last 2 games of the season with a knee injury, cuck