[ESPN] 50 Best Players in Orlando Bubble

[LAmbruh]

1. Lebron
2. Giannis
3. Kawhi
4. Harden
5. Davis
6. Embiid
7. Doncic
8. George
9. Jokic
10. Butler
11. Dame
12be. Westbrook
13. Tatum
14. Siakam
15. CP3
16. Simmons
17. Middleton
18. Gobert
19. Lowry
20. Kemba

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29461674/nba-bubble-rankings-predicting-50-best-players-orlando



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[Mask the Embiid]

1. Lebron
2. Giannis
3. Kawhi
4. Harden
5. Davis
6. Embiid
7. Doncic
8. George
9. Jokic[
10. Butler
11. Dame
12be. Westbrook
13. Tatum
14. Siakam
15. CP3
16. Simmons
17. Middleton
18. Gobert
19. Lowry
20. Kemba

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29461674/nba-bubble-rankings-predicting-50-best-players-orlando



TLDR:


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[NugzFan]

But I thought only nugget fans cared about embiid vs jokic?

Guess not

[insidious301]

Remember when people said the best player in the world wasn't a "legit" MVP candidate? Haha. Was funny then just like it is now.

[LAmbruh]

Mr. 17th season :pimp:



The Gray Goat :pimp:

[KD7]

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[KD7]

btw Cari's LeVert is literally better than half of the players on that list

[LAmbruh]

btw Cari's LeVert is literally better than half of the players on that list

just moved LeVert into my top 25

[ralph_i_el]

Russ above CP3 :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

Russ above CP3 :facepalm

Are you dumb or something?

[Stanley Kobrick]

Are you dumb or something?
no bullying

[HBK_Kliq_2]

A very biased Lakers list. LeBron shouldn't be above Kawhi. Anthony Davis shouldn't be above Embiid or Jokic.

[tpols]

Paul George over Jokic is just straight bullshit lmao.

This list is why you have to think for yourself.

[LAmbruh]

5* list and flourishing

[Tobio-Star]

A very biased Lakers list. LeBron shouldn't be above Kawhi. Anthony Davis shouldn't be above Embiid or Jokic.

Where does it hurt?

[Wally450]

5 star thread brother.

[Shooter]

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ANOTHER ONE

[LAmbruh]

5 star thread brother.

5*'s appreciated :cheers:

[Stanley Kobrick]

bran stans doing hand stands

[HBK_Kliq_2]

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ANOTHER ONE

That's me after Kawhi's 3rd finals MVP LOL

[ralph_i_el]

Are you dumb or something?

Why did OKC get better when Russ left, but the Rockets got worse?

[scuzzy]

consensus it is

[LAmbruh]

appreciate the 5*'s

[ImKobe]

AD at #5 too. No excuses.

[tpols]

So... to summarize.. a list of grievances.

1) Westbrook over Chris Paul
2) PG over Jokic
3) Simmons over Gobert
4) Giannis over Kawhi
5) Lebron over Anthony Davis

[RRR3]

Are you dumb or something?
There was a poster insisting Caris LeVert is better than half the list, and THIS is the comment you attach? :lol

[LAmbruh]

Tears are pouring in boys


get em while they're fresh :pimp:

[RRR3]

So... to summarize.. a list of grievances.

1) Westbrook over Chris Paul
2) PG over Jokic
3) Simmons over Gobert
4) Giannis over Kawhi
5) Lebron over Anthony Davis
Literally all the impact stats say LBJ>AD. Where does it hurt?

[insidious301]

So... to summarize.. a list of grievances.

1) Westbrook over Chris Paul
2) PG over Jokic
3) Simmons over Gobert
4) Giannis over Kawhi
5) Lebron over Anthony Davis

Nothing wrong with that, tpols. Was this a typo or something?

[ImKobe]

Tears are pouring in boys


get em while they're fresh

The same site had your boy 3 - 17 against Giannis in MVP voting :roll:

[tpols]

Nothing wrong with that, tpols. Was this a typo or something?

The Lakers didn't even make the playoffs last year... AD comes and they're a 1 seed. Check the splits... Davis is the best player on Los Angeles. But 1-3 were far more egregious and pretty much discredit the whole list.

[LAmbruh]

landslide victory bois


get em while they're fresh :pimp:

[LAmbruh]

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[ImKobe]

The Lakers didn't even make the playoffs last year... AD comes and they're a 1 seed. Check the splits... Davis is the best player on Los Angeles. But 1-3 were far more egregious and pretty much discredit the whole list.

Paul George at 8th might be the worst thing about this whole list. Dude's missed over 1/3rd of the season and is averaging 21/6/4.

[Rudeboy3]

How dafuq is giannis not number 1? This what happens when you have fan boys in the media, Lebron isn’t even the best player on his own team, foh

[insidious301]

The Lakers didn't even make the playoffs last year... AD comes and they're a 1 seed. Check the splits... Davis is the best player on Los Angeles. But 1-3 were far more egregious and pretty much discredit the whole list.

The Lakers had a ton of injuries last year(the ones you sit out from). Like RRR mentioned, LeBron also has the best impact stats on the team, and I know that you like your advanced stats. To that you say what?

[KD7]

Dey big mad :lol

[LAmbruh]

Dey big mad :lol

O dey real mad :lol

[ImKobe]

The Lakers had a ton of injuries last year(the ones you sit out from). Like RRR mentioned, LeBron also has the best impact stats on the team, and I know that you like your advanced stats. To that you say what?

You can always find advanced stats to nit-pick to support a narrative, all we know is that AD leads the Lakers in ppg, rpg, spg, bpg, PER & WS/48.

[LAmbruh]

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[tpols]

The Lakers had a ton of injuries last year(the ones you sit out from). Like RRR mentioned, LeBron also has the best impact stats on the team, and I know that you like your advanced stats. To that you say what?

They were going downhill far before injuries. Lebron was sitting out games, trying to package the young guns ingram, ball, and kuzma for Davis. It was the total talk of their 2019 season especially in january and february as the deadline loomed near. I watched it happen. In the end it worked. But he tanked it for him because there was no way they were winning anything in the playoffs with those young guys. Even now we see a prime peak AD is worth way more than all of them combined.


Like RRR mentioned, LeBron also has the best impact stats on the team, and I know that you like your advanced stats

That's not true... Davis has better offensive and defensive efficiency on same volume.

[LAmbruh]

here come the essays :roll::roll:

[ImKobe]

They were going downhill far before injuries. Lebron was sitting out games, trying to package the young guns ingram, ball, and kuzma for Davis. It was the total talk of their 2019 season especially in january and february as the deadline loomed near. I watched it happen. In the end it worked. But he tanked it for him because there was no way they were winning anything in the playoffs with those young guys. Even now we see a prime peak AD is worth way more than all of them combined.



That's not true... Davis has better offensive and defensive efficiency on same volume.

Yup. The season fell apart when Lebron was taking extra time to rest while trying to ship everyone out there & that shit got leaked at deadline, team had 0 chemistry when Lebron returned and most of the team (minus Zo) was still out there & healthy... they were right there in the Playoff race and lost almost every game with Lebron once he activated "Playoff mode", couldn't even close out a game against the sorry ass Knicks.

[insidious301]

They Lakers had playoff seeding before LeBron got hurt. BTW tpols and ImKobe, LeBron has the best rpm/bpm and leads the Lakers in assists. These are stats I see you guys mention in the 90s threads. And they are allegedly the "best" out there. So again, how is LeBron>Davis a bad take? At worst they are 1a/1b.

[LAmbruh]

Frank Vogel "Lebron is the MVP"



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[tpols]

tpols and ImKobe. LeBron has the best rpm/bpm and leads the Lakers in assists. These are stats I see you guys mention in the 90s threads.

I've never hyped assists or rpm whatever that is. I look at ORTG (umbrella offensive efficiency) on similar volume, DRTG, and intangibles. AD factually leads in the first two categories, and the third for me is a draw.

[ImKobe]

They Lakers had playoff seeding before LeBron got hurt. BTW tpols and ImKobe, LeBron has the best rpm/bpm and leads the Lakers in assists. These are stats I see you guys mention in the 90s threads. And they are alledgedly the best out there. So again, how is LeBron>Davis a bad take? At worst they are 1a/1b.

It's not really about who the better player is, it's that the Lakers are great because they have two top 5 players. I have no problem with people taking Lebron over AD, but I have a problem with people trashing AD and acting like he's not one of the main reasons why we're a #1 seed. Ok, so you found some on/off numbers and rpm numbers that favor Lebron, that still doesn't erase AD's production and worth to the team.

[insidious301]

I've never hyped assists or rpm whatever that is. I look at ORTG (umbrella offensive efficiency) on similar volume, DRTG, and intangibles. AD factually leads in the first two categories, and the third for me is a draw.

You told me Kidd is one of your favorite players. If not for assists then he is hardly elite. bpm/rpm are stats I see thrown around here constantly, now all of the sudden nobody knows what they are? Yeah, sure. You're not being consistent at all. ImKobe that is fair. LeBron is the best player imo however AD was trending earlier in the season. His production is great no matter what I say, hence ESPN putting him at 5.

[LAmbruh]

insidious301 putting on a clinic :applause:

[NugzFan]

So... to summarize.. a list of grievances.

1) Westbrook over Chris Paul
2) PG over Jokic
3) Simmons over Gobert
4) Giannis over Kawhi
5) Lebron over Anthony Davis

terrible list. pg over jokic should be number 1! the disrespect is insulting.

[Tobio-Star]

The Lakers didn't even make the playoffs last year... AD comes and they're a 1 seed. Check the splits... Davis is the best player on Los Angeles. But 1-3 were far more egregious and pretty much discredit the whole list.

He was still injured. When he was fully healthy weren't they like 4th seed or something?

Also most of the team changed, they didnt just add AD

[Tobio-Star]

Why are GSW fans so mad that LeBron is still seen as the GOAT?

[tpols]

You told me Kidd is one of your favorite players. If not for assists then he is hardly elite. bpm/rpm are stats I see thrown around here constantly, now all of the sudden nobody knows what they are? Yeah, sure. You're not being consistent at all. ImKobe that is fair. LeBron is the best player imo however AD was trending earlier in the season. His production is great no matter what I say, hence ESPN putting him at 5.


Kidd's DRTG stats are off the charts incredible and give him positive over all splits. His offense especially as a first option on the Nets wasn't very good. He was a defensive anchor at point guard and every stat points to that on top of me watching it all. Nets won with defense, not offense or "assists". He did throw some fancy ones though.

[insidious301]

Kidd's DRTG stats are off the charts incredible and give him positive over all splits. His offense especially as a first option on the Nets wasn't very good. He was a defensive anchor at point guard and every stat points to that on top of me watching it all. Nets won with defense, not offense or "assists". He did throw some fancy ones though.

If not for assists, Kidd's impact on defense wouldn't be enough to make him an MVP candidate. Come on man. You're reaching here.

[Doranku]

The best player in Orlando is Kawhi Leonard.

[Stanley Kobrick]

well that escalated quickly

[tpols]

If not for assists, Kidd's impact on defense wouldn't be enough to make him an MVP candidate. Come on man. You're reaching here.

I'm not saying he didn't have nice dimes... but his shooting / scoring was poor as a first option enough to make the overall types of offenses he generated below average. OTOH he could make your team a #1 rank defense so his impact mostly came from that. Nash is another brilliant player like kidd, who sucked on defense, and yet is regarded on a similar tier all time because his offense was so much better. Why? Not passing, but because of his elite shooting scoring ability 50/40/90 shotmaking.

[ArbitraryWater]

Westbrook is in video game mode this year having arguably his best season everr, but idiots think Paul is better because they now for once slipped ahead in standings because Houston overdoes load management and got bombed at the buzzer twice

[HBK_Kliq_2]

You told me Kidd is one of your favorite players. If not for assists then he is hardly elite. bpm/rpm are stats I see thrown around here constantly, now all of the sudden nobody knows what they are? Yeah, sure. You're not being consistent at all. ImKobe that is fair. LeBron is the best player imo however AD was trending earlier in the season. His production is great no matter what I say, hence ESPN putting him at 5.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davisan02/on-off/2020

Lakers offensive rating and defensive rating are both better when Anthony Davis is off the court, he has no right being in top 5.

Basically another Kevin Love/Aldridge/Bosh type that's getting overrated because he's on an elite team and he's on Lakers.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Westbrook is in video game mode this year having arguably his best season everr, but idiots think Paul is better because they now for once slipped ahead in standings because Houston overdoes load management and got bombed at the buzzer twice

Rockets offense with Westbrook off the court: 117.7

Jesus, they basically turn into the Curry/Durant Warriors when he's off the court. So much for his video game stats. This is one of his last chances to win and he's already failed with Durant/George, he better step up this year.

[ralph_i_el]

Westbrook is in video game mode this year having arguably his best season everr, but idiots think Paul is better because they now for once slipped ahead in standings because Houston overdoes load management and got bombed at the buzzer twice

Team success> Individual stats.

Steven Adams defensive rebound rate went from 14.8% last season to 23.8% this year. Wonder why?

[RRR3]

Westbrook is in video game mode this year having arguably his best season everr, but idiots think Paul is better because they now for once slipped ahead in standings because Houston overdoes load management and got bombed at the buzzer twice
:roll: :roll: :roll:


Arby at it again

[imdaman99]

Goatbrook representing the mamba family well.

Miss you mamba :(

[LoneyROY7]

Rockets offense with Westbrook off the court: 117.7

Jesus, they basically turn into the Curry/Durant Warriors when he's off the court. So much for his video game stats. This is one of his last chances to win and he's already failed with Durant/George, he better step up this year.

That has much more to do with Harden just being a monster when surrounded by role players/3nDers, like usual. Russ has been great this year.

[LAmbruh]

That has much more to do with Harden just being a monster when surrounded by role players/3nDers, like usual. Russ has been great this year.

:pimp:

[LAmbruh]

DJ Khalid gifs are the best :lol

[Lion's pride]

Jason Tatum well prove to be a top 8 player when these playoffs finish, remember I said it here 1st

[knicksman]

espn never changed. But theres a reason why harden/westbrook have MVPs while kawhi doesnt. But does that mean they are better? Same logic applies to kobe vs lebron

[Gray GOAT]

Great thread, OP! Would 5* if I could. The Gray Goat is undefeated.

[ImKobe]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Arby at it again

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[LAmbruh]

Great thread, OP! Would 5* if I could. The Gray Goat is undefeated.

:dancin:hammertime:

[insidehoops]

Picking exact rankings is always tough but which players do you think deserves to be moved up or down the most?

[Lion's pride]

Picking exact rankings is always tough but which players do you think deserves to be moved up or down the most?

Jokic Above Embiid. Doncic lower, man hasn't proven sheet in the playoffs.. Would take Dame, Tatum over him.. Also J Butler needs to be a bit lower..