Herman Cain passes away at 74 from complications with COVID-19

[Patrick Chewing]

I think he's the highest profile person who has passed away from COVID so far. I could be wrong.

Herman was a true American success story. Black entrepreneur who eventually ran for President. RIP good sir. :(

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[TheMan]

I think he's the highest profile person who has passed away from COVID so far. I could be wrong.

Herman was a true American success story. Black entrepreneur who eventually ran for President. RIP good sir. :(

https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/herman-cain-press-club.jpg

I think he got infected at a Trump rally too if I'm not mistaken. Few weeks ago he attended a rally where very few wore masks and zero social distancing, and the ironic thing is that they were pretty proud of that fact too. Anyways, sucks when anyone dies regardless of their politics and/or stupid behavior...RIP.

[Patrick Chewing]

I think he got infected at a Trump rally too if I'm not mistaken. Few weeks ago he attended a rally where very few wore masks and zero social distancing, and the ironic thing is that they were pretty proud of that fact too. Anyways, sucks when anyone dies regardless of their politics and/or stupid behavior...RIP.

If that was the case, then all the others he was around would have been infected also. He could have contracted it anywhere. But of course, since Herman was at a Trump rally, that's what the vipers on the Left want to blame it on.


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[LAmbruh]

and to think his poor death could have been avoided just by wearing a mask



good think our president is telling everyone it's a hoax

[Shogon]

and to think his poor death could have been avoided just by wearing a mask



good think our president is telling everyone it's a hoax

I understand you're a troll, but for all the useful idiots out there... no, his death could not have been avoided by wearing a mask.

The extreme vast majority of masks you see people walking around in are not protecting themselves from the virus... they are limiting the spread to others.

So if other people around him were always wearing masks, it is less likely he would have contracted COVID... but as far as his own personal protection? Him wearing one or not wearing one made no difference. #themoreyouknow

[~primetime~]

I understand you're a troll, but for all the useful idiots out there... no, his death could not have been avoided by wearing a mask.

The extreme vast majority of masks you see people walking around in are not protecting themselves from the virus... they are limiting the spread to others.

So if other people around him were always wearing masks, it is less likely he would have contracted COVID... but as far as his own personal protection? Him wearing one or not wearing one made no difference. #themoreyouknow

this is literally impossible to know...on either side

IMO if you are 74 and at any kind of mass gathering that is a mistake in itself...mask or no mask

[Shogon]

this is literally impossible to know...on either side

IMO if you are 74 and at any kind of mass gathering that is a mistake in itself...mask or no mask

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449


How do the different types of masks work?
Surgical masks
Also called a medical mask, a surgical mask is a loose-fitting disposable mask that protects the wearer's nose and mouth from contact with droplets, splashes and sprays that may contain germs. A surgical mask also filters out large particles in the air. Surgical masks may protect others by reducing exposure to the saliva and respiratory secretions of the mask wearer.

At this time, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved any type of surgical mask specifically for protection against the coronavirus, but these masks may provide some protection when N95 masks are not available.

It would require a N100 mask to "guarantee" that you're safe. If everyone walking around were wearing N95 masks or higher, the virus would spread a lot less... but they're not... practically nobody is walking around in an N95 mask and I think I might have seen ONE guy wearing a N100 mask since this whole thing started out in public...

Surgical masks and cloth masks do very little if nothing for the wearer. They are for other people. Put your mask on right now and exhale strongly... you will notice the air is going back up towards your eyes... in other words... not towards other people.

The cloth masks aren't filtering a damn thing going into your lungs.

[~primetime~]

yeah I'm not getting into a lengthy mask debate...but obviously nothing will ever be a 'guarantee'.

"very little" >>> nothing

better to be overly cautious...especially when you're 74

[AirBonner]

yeah I'm not getting into a lengthy mask debate...but obviously nothing will ever be a 'guarantee'.

"very little" >>> nothing

better to be overly cautious...especially when you're 74

True but he’s a grown ass man and made a decision.

[Shogon]

Also, by the way, for "guaranteed" actual true protection you would need a PARTICULAR TYPE of full body suit with a completely sealed face mask with an n100 filter. Then you would also need to stand underneath a sanitizing station and rinse the virus off of the suit before taking it off. Nobody is doing that.

So we do our best... wear shitty masks which is for the benefit of others, and wash your hands which is for your benefit and for others.



Look, the point I'm trying to make is... if you think you're protected to go out in public by wearing a cloth mask, you're BEYOND sorely mistaken, lol.

[~primetime~]

Also, by the way, for "guaranteed" actual true protection you would need a PARTICULAR TYPE of full body suit with a completely sealed face mask with an n100 filter. Then you would also need to stand underneath a sanitizing station and rinse the virus off of the suit before taking it off. Nobody is doing that.

So we do our best... wear shitty masks which is for the benefit of others, and wash your hands which is for your benefit and for others.



Look, the point I'm trying to make is... if you think you're protected to go out in public by wearing a cloth mask, you're BEYOND sorely mistaken, lol.

I actually see a decent amount of people out with n95s on...those are getting around

[warriorfan]

I actually see a decent amount of people out with n95s on...those are getting around

They arnt protecting anything. It’s a visual security blanket for people if anything.

[~primetime~]

They arnt protecting anything. It’s a visual security blanket for people if anything.

N95 surgical masks ARE protecting

[Facepalm]

I think he got infected at a Trump rally too if I'm not mistaken. Few weeks ago he attended a rally where very few wore masks and zero social distancing, and the ironic thing is that they were pretty proud of that fact too. Anyways, sucks when anyone dies regardless of their politics and/or stupid behavior...RIP.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

[Stanley Kobrick]

N95 surgical masks ARE protecting
high iq user . it's good to see people wearing masks as the severity of this becomes more apparent. doctors, dentists and surgeons have been wearing them for decades. :cheers:

[FourthTenor]

I miss the days before COVID, when elderly people never died.


:(

[TheMan]

Also, by the way, for "guaranteed" actual true protection you would need a PARTICULAR TYPE of full body suit with a completely sealed face mask with an n100 filter. Then you would also need to stand underneath a sanitizing station and rinse the virus off of the suit before taking it off. Nobody is doing that.

So we do our best... wear shitty masks which is for the benefit of others, and wash your hands which is for your benefit and for others.



Look, the point I'm trying to make is... if you think you're protected to go out in public by wearing a cloth mask, you're BEYOND sorely mistaken, lol.
Here's where EVERYONE wearing a mask would help you too, I know you're smart enough to figure out how wearing a mask to protect others could protect you too if everyone is wearing a mask...

[TheMan]

I miss the days before COVID, when elderly people never died.


:(

and I miss the days when people would inconvenience themselves a bit for the good of all.

[FourthTenor]

and I miss the days when people would inconvenience themselves a bit for the good of all.


As long as it’s on your terms right?

As long as you and/or the govt decides “whats good for em” and makes everyone conform.


Yeah. The good ol days for sure.

[RRR3]

This is a very silly hill to die on in defense of individual freedom, starface.

[Patrick Chewing]

Herman Cain's death is proof that there is no systemic racism or any racism problem in this country whatsoever.

This was a successful Black man who was born poor, ended up starting a multi-million dollar business, and eventually ran for President. However, he gets no respect from people on the Left simply because he's a Republican. So these people don't care about his successes, they just simply see him as inferior and not worthy of praise simply because of his politics. So racism isn't the problem. Nobody prevented him from becoming who he became. So the division and hatred in this country stems from political ideology and not the color of ones skin.

[FourthTenor]

Herman Cain's death is proof that there is no systemic racism or any racism problem in this country whatsoever.

This was a successful Black man who was born poor, ended up starting a multi-million dollar business, and eventually ran for President. However, he gets no respect from people on the Left simply because he's a Republican. So these people don't care about his successes, they just simply see him as inferior and not worthy of praise simply because of his politics. So racism isn't the problem. Nobody prevented him from becoming who he became. So the division and hatred in this country stems from political ideology and not the color of ones skin.


Dems/lefties need black people to remain their mules... otherwise, who will they ride in on to triumphantly proclaim themselves social liberators?

They need a boost from black folks to seem taller than they really are.

Gotta keep them darkies hunched over.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump Killed Him.

[TheMan]

As long as it’s on your terms right?

As long as you and/or the govt decides “whats good for em” and makes everyone conform.


Yeah. The good ol days for sure.

No, the health experts/doctors/scientists who know more than you.

Do you idiots realize what an absolute horseshit conspiracy theory you guys are pushing? Hyping up a pandemic that's tearing up world economies and killing half a million so far just so that maybe enough Americans blame Trump for not handling the coronavirus pandemic well enough and causing him to lose the elections. The WHOLE WORLD in on it, even governments hostile to the US just to help the Democrats LMAO! Look, if we're talking about forces this powerful, wouldn't it be much more easier to make Trump have a massive heart attack? Who the hell would be surprised if a 70 year fat guy dies of a massive heart attack?

FOH

[FourthTenor]

No, the health experts/doctors/scientists who know more than you.

It was once medical consensus that leeches can suck an illness out of your blood. Wasnt based on anything scientific, besides doctors saying “well it kinda makes sense, and we can sound like smart doctors for knowing the answer”

Guess they knew something everyone else didnt.



Listen, youre average, so youre always going to believe the popular narrative. Literally, by definition. That is what average people do.

If they could see beyond it, they wouldnt be average.

MOST people statistically are average. Youre not an exception. It’s not a bad thing per se, but youre an average guy, and you go with the mainstream pronouncements bc thats what most others are doing and it makes you feel safe.

Youre not built to go out and think on your own. God doesnt have that purpose for you.

It’s okay.

[TheMan]

It was once medical consensus that leeches can suck an illness out of your blood. Wasnt based on anything scientific, besides doctors saying “well it kinda makes sense, and we can sound like smart doctors for knowing the answer”

Guess they knew something everyone else didnt.



Listen, youre average, so youre always going to believe the popular narrative. Literally, by definition. That is what average people do.

If they could see beyond it, they wouldnt be average.

MOST people statistically are average. Youre not an exception. It’s not a bad thing per se, but youre an average guy, and you go with the mainstream pronouncements bc thats what most others are doing and it makes you feel safe.

Youre not built to go out and think on your own. God doesnt have that purpose for you.

It’s okay.

Ok Starface, you do realize scientific theory keeps changing as new facts come in, right? There was a time when anthropologists believed the evolution of man was linear but now we have evidence of different species of hominids living at the same time, that changed with the discovery of new facts...there was a time the best minds on earth believed the sun was the center of the universe :confusedshrug:

Look Starface, you are nowhere near as bright as you think you are, everyone here knows when you change alts by the same predictable points you make. You're the dumbass who thinks you know more than people far more knowledgeable than you but guess what, you don't. You're a conspiracy nut, nothing more...nothing less.

Turd.

[FourthTenor]

Ok Starface, you do realize scientific theory keeps changing as new facts come in, right? There was a time when anthropologists believed the evolution of man was linear but now we have evidence of different species of hominids living at the same time, that changed with the discovery of new facts...there was a time the best minds on earth believed the sun was the center of the universe :confusedshrug:

Look Starface, you are nowhere near as bright as you think you are, everyone here knows when you change alts by the same predictable points you make. You're the dumbass who thinks you know more than people far more knowledgeable than you but guess what, you don't. You're a conspiracy nut, nothing more...nothing less.

Turd.


You just made my point :lol


Scientific info should inform your intuition. Not replace it.

Especially when you are only getting a one-dimensional explanation of the data from a one-sided media.


But again, youre you.

Keep doin you.

[TheMan]

You just made my point :lol


Scientific info should inform your intuition. Not replace it.

Especially when you are only getting a one-dimensional explanation of the data from a one-sided media.


But again, youre you.

Keep doin you.

You bet I'll keep doing me, married, two little boys owner of 2 businesses, looking to start a 3rd...being me has worked so far meanwhile you waste your time complaining about "libtards" on a basketball forum while working for a temp agency after a failed Hollywood career, a book that didn't sell one copy and a failed online razor blade website. :lol

Keep it up though, champ, I believe in you :cheers:

[FourthTenor]

You bet I'll keep doing me, married, two little boys owner of 2 businesses, looking to start a 3rd...being me has worked so far meanwhile you waste your time complaining about "libtards" on a basketball forum while working for a temp agency after a failed Hollywood career, a book that didn't sell one copy and a failed online razor blade website. :lol

Keep it up though, champ, I believe in you :cheers:

And yet insecure enough to melt down in such transparently defensive fashion :lol

[Lebron23]

He shouldn't have attended that rally.

[BurningHammer]

Again, the virus doesn't give a flying f*ck what your politics or race are. YOU do.

[FourthTenor]

Again, the virus doesn't give a flying f*ck what politics or race you are. YOU do.

Hm.

A lot of mask-mongers have suggested blacks and latinos should be more scared of the virus than anyone.

So either theyre lying... or the virus does care.

By definition it has to be one or the other.

:confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

Hm.

A lot of mask-mongers have suggested blacks and latinos should be more scared of the virus than anyone.

So either theyre lying... or the virus does care.

By definition it has to be one or the other.

:confusedshrug:
That’s because they on average have less money and live in worse conditions, thus making it more likely they’ll be forced to work in public to keep themselves afloat and less likely they can afford medical expenses.

[BurningHammer]

Hm.

A lot of mask-mongers have suggested blacks and latinos should be more scared of the virus than anyone.

So either theyre lying... or the virus does care.

:confusedshrug:

Because those mongers are stupid and crazy. The virus can't tell them if they care since it has no mouth or brain. So, they probably figure those out of their own asses.

Anyway, don't be an asshole and just wear the damn mask to protect others. Cain probably dies because people around him didn't wear it.

[FourthTenor]

That’s because they on average have less money and live in worse conditions, thus making it more likely they’ll be forced to work in public to keep themselves afloat and less likely they can afford medical expenses.

Ok.

Im not saying thats incorrect. But from the perspective of “the virus” that makes them a better target. Because theyll have less defense.

So Burninghammer’s attempt at a cheesy “rally” statement (HEY, this virus does not care WHO you are, or WHAT RACE you are, this thing is comin for everyone) was technically incorrect.

A virus does have “preferences.” Specifically, a more susceptible host. So someone who lives one lifestyle, in one region of the country, probably does have far less to worry about than other people in other places.

That would seem to be a fact.

[RRR3]

Ok.

Im not saying thats incorrect. But from the perspective of “the virus” that makes them a better target. Because theyll have less defense.

So Burninghammer’s attempt at a cheesy “rally” statement (HEY, this virus does not care WHO you are, or WHAT RACE you are, this thing is comin for everyone) was technically incorrect.

A virus does have “preferences.” Specifically, a more susceptible host. So someone who lives one lifestyle, in one region of the country, probably does have far less to worry about than other people in other places.

That would seem to be a fact.
Yeah I dont disagree with any of this.

[BurningHammer]

Ok.

Im not saying thats incorrect. But from the perspective of “the virus” that makes them a better target. Because theyll have less defense.

So Burninghammer’s attempt at a cheesy “rally” statement (HEY, this virus does not care WHO you are, or WHAT RACE you are, this thing is comin for everyone) was technically incorrect.

A virus does have “preferences.” Specifically, a more susceptible host. So someone who lives one lifestyle, in one region of the country, probably does have far less to worry about than other people in other places.

That would seem to be a fact.

That is more of how carriers from different races spread the virus differently. The virus still infects people the same way.

[FourthTenor]

That is more of how carriers from different races spread the virus differently. The virus still infects people the same way.


Okay but it’s a fact that if I’m a healthy white male in my thirties, living in a middle class area, I have substantially less reason to fear the virus than an elderly woman in a housing project.

It’s also unlikely I would have any interaction with such a person that would lead to a germ exchange.

So why should I be so concerned with “masking up” ?

[RRR3]

Okay but it’s a fact that if I’m a healthy white male in my thirties, living in a middle class area, I have substantially less reason to fear the virus than an elderly woman in a housing project.

It’s also unlikely I would have any interaction with such a person that would lead to a germ exchange.

So why should I be so concerned with “masking up” ?
You’ll likely be fine if you get COVID, but you should wear a mask out of consideration for those who are less fortunate.

[~primetime~]

Okay but it’s a fact that if I’m a healthy white male in my thirties, living in a middle class area, I have substantially less reason to fear the virus than an elderly woman in a housing project.

It’s also unlikely I would have any interaction with such a person that would lead to a germ exchange.

So why should I be so concerned with “masking up” ?
for that elderly woman you just mentioned

masks are for OTHER people's safety...not your own

[FourthTenor]

for that elderly woman you just mentioned

masks are for OTHER people's safety...not your own


But disease is a threat every single year, with every viral infection. They are communicable by nature. Yet we dont stay home or wear masks year after year.

If covid is “special” then shouldnt the elderly woman be ordering her groceries and staying within her own living community? Why is she out in public anyway if this is such a deadly virus? Isnt that irresponsible of HER?


Do you really think trying to bend me over to your will, out of some imaginary concern for old people, is what this is all about? No. You want conformity. You want coronavirus to be a thing, and for Trump to be blamed for it, and you dont want me out in public living it up, causing other people to think it might not be such a big deal afterall.

You lack the self awareness to realize youre the selfish one here.

[~primetime~]

no, the death rate for the elderly is substantial...much higher than our regular viruses

you thinking that people's concern for 'old people' is imaginary says a lot about you...do you not have parents/grandparents you care about?

[FourthTenor]

no, the death rate for the elderly is substantial...much higher than our regular viruses

you thinking that people's concern for 'old people' is imaginary says a lot about you...do you not have parents/grandparents you care about?

Based on what? Data that you know for a fact the government is paying hospitals to manipulate?? If someone has a brain hemorrhage and tests positive for covid, theyre calling it a covid death. In many cases theyre probably not even testing for it! Just jot it down as a covid death, collect that incentive.

I see PLENTY of old people walking around. Many of them without masks. Theyre still here with us on this Earth. How can that be? Why isnt the covid getting em??

Covid has been around for six months now. If it was so deadly, how are all these old people still around?

Shouldnt there be a lot less of them??



Youre falling for a manipulative scam. And you find it easy to believe because the prospect of laying it at Trump’s feet has you salivating.

[~primetime~]

Based on what? Data that you know for a fact the government is paying hospitals to manipulate?? If someone has a brain hemorrhage and tests positive for covid, theyre calling it a covid death.

I see PLENTY of old people walking around. Many of them without masks. Theyre still here with us on this Earth.

Covid has been around for six months now. If it was so deadly, how are all these old people still around?

Shouldnt there be a lot less of them??



Youre falling for a manipulative scam. And you find it easy to believe because the prospect of laying it at Trump’s feet has you salivating.
150,000 have died...

so there are two main differences between how the two of us view this.

1. you think the virus is a hoax, I think it's real
2. you don't care about the lives of the elderly, I do

[FourthTenor]

150,000 have died...

so there are two main differences between how the two of us view this.

1. you think the virus is a hoax, I think it's real
2. you don't care about the lives of the elderly, I do


3. Youre a gullible fool, I’m not.

[FourthTenor]

150,000 have died...

so there are two main differences between how the two of us view this.

1. you think the virus is a hoax, I think it's real
2. you don't care about the lives of the elderly, I do


Theyre not all dying of covid.

Medical centers are BEING PAID TO FRAME IT THAT WAY. That is not “conspiracy” that is directly documented orders from state governors.

But you dont care.

Also you ducked my question. Why dont they simply stay inside for now?

Why does everyone else who isnt vulnerable have to wear a mask and “social distance”?? How does that protect people who shouldnt be going to gatherings anyway??



Youre an average guy. You value doing what the crowd does and not having lots of non conformity.

Everyone must obey.

[~primetime~]

3. Youre a gullible fool, I’m not.

you're actually a child

[RRR3]

3. Youre a gullible fool, I’m not.
Idk man, you think Trump is on the side of the working class, which is pretty ****ing gullible.

[FourthTenor]

Idk man, you think Trump is on the side of the working class, which is pretty ****ing gullible.


Back this up with a quote/evidence please?

[RRR3]

Back this up with a quote/evidence please?
Okay, so you don’t think he’s on the side of the working class?

I retract my statement. I thought you cared about the working class given claim you hate the establishment, but I guess you don’t. In which case, you supporting Trump makes sense.

[~primetime~]

Theyre not all dying of covid.

Medical centers are BEING PAID TO FRAME IT THAT WAY. That is not “conspiracy” that is directly documented orders from state governors.

https://i.insider.com/5f1944961918240d68708419?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

so all the hospitals of the world are being paid in gradual waves?

[FourthTenor]

https://i.insider.com/5f1944961918240d68708419?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

so all the hospitals of the world are being paid in gradual waves?


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480289-The-US-is-literally-giving-Bangladesh-22-million-dollars-to-%93fight-teh-COVID%93/page3

:lol


It seems so, yes.

[FourthTenor]

Okay, so you don’t think he’s on the side of the working class?

I retract my statement. I thought you cared about the working class given claim you hate the establishment, but I guess you don’t. In which case, you supporting Trump makes sense.


It’s not the government’s job to take sides. Did you take any US Govt classes in school?

Trump did immigration and reworked trade as a general benefit to workers. Not as an ADVANTAGE over business. He lowered taxes as a benefit to business. Not as an ADVANTAGE over workers. These are general benefits to the American economy. It’s not about “taking sides.”

The government is not your personal unemployment office/ATM/mental health therapist. If you need extra help, we have BILLIONS going thru charity every year for extra assistance to those in need.

You dont know stuff like this?

Again, you need to hurry up and grow up.

[RRR3]

It’s not the government’s job to take sides. Did you take any US Govt classes in school?

Trump did immigration and reworked trade as a general benefit to workers. Not as an ADVANTAGE over business. He lowered taxes as a benefit to business. Not as an ADVANTAGE over workers. These are general benefits to the American economy. It’s not about “taking sides.”

The government is not your personal unemployment office/ATM/mental health therapist. If you need extra help, we have BILLIONS going thru charity every year for extra assistance to those in need.

You dont know stuff like this?

Again, you need to hurry up and grow up.
If someone doesn’t agree with capitalism, they need to “grow up”. I’m not sure how you can rant about the establishment and then continue to parrot their talking points. So much cognitive dissonance.

[FourthTenor]

If someone doesn’t agree with capitalism, they need to “grow up”. I’m not sure how you can rant about the establishment and then continue to parrot their talking points. So much cognitive dissonance.


Sounds like an official tap-out. Well, you lasted longer than I expected.

Timing is good anyway bc Im ready to log off for the day.

[RRR3]

Sounds like an official tap-out. Well, you lasted longer than I expected.

Timing is good anyway bc Im ready to log off for the day.
Yeah, I’m used to you logging off when you are about to get exposed as being entirely politically motivated by your own self-interest.

[coin24]

Okay, so you don’t think he’s on the side of the working class?

I retract my statement. I thought you cared about the working class given claim you hate the establishment, but I guess you don’t. In which case, you supporting Trump makes sense.


You're not the working class.

You're the unemployed loser who wants everything for free

[Patrick Chewing]

Idk man, you think Trump is on the side of the working class, which is pretty ****ing gullible.


Lowest unemployment rate under Trump.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Chewing said Cain died of a Democratic hoax.

[Patrick Chewing]

Chewing said Cain died of a Democratic hoax.

You're a hoax.

[TheMan]

Surely Mr Cain was already gonna die of something else or he was way tf older, like in his late 80s at least.

[72-10]

bone cancer, that's what I'd say

[Overdrive]

Lowest unemployment rate under Trump.

Asking you again, how do you feel about Trump using commie tactics? Raising the debt to create jobs.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Why didn't Trump's witch doctor save him?