Trump calls for delays in Presidential Election

[LAmbruh]

YIKES (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53597975?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR1oz_Sz39QIGyEWQeuwuMmzsXoOMKQW7KroMivtj jRvW4azzYw6DY7CZrA)


little donny already feeling the pressure and still 4 months away


desperate times, desperate measures


if only Covid-19 would just magically disappear like he intended :(



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8yOv4PwttM

[Facepalm]

YIKES (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53597975?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR1oz_Sz39QIGyEWQeuwuMmzsXoOMKQW7KroMivtj jRvW4azzYw6DY7CZrA)


little donny already feeling the pressure and still 4 months away


desperate times, desperate measures


if only Covid-19 would just magically disappear like he intended :(



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8yOv4PwttM

Little Donny is PETRIFIED

[AirBonner]

Makes sense he wants a worthy opponent

[MMM]

7-month extension or they can do advance polling in Sept/Oct most people are decided anyways

While I don't support Trump I still feel hes going to win so it doesn't really matter. Better the devil you know and all that

[KennyPowers]

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Biden would be the only president that never had to debate. Which is fortunate, because he is almost as brain dead as you are.

[~primetime~]

Trump knows this election he isn't even going up against Biden...he's going up against covid...and he needs covid to go away to have any chance

It might be too late though...because old people have jumped ship from Trump thus Florida is pretty much a lock for Biden at this point...and no Republican has won POTUS without winning Florida in nearly 100 years...Trump needs Florida.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I am not sure about this but I read that Congress would have to do this for him. The Senate may be willing to but the House would not be cooperating.

[Kblaze8855]

Old people won’t leave trump. Not old white ones at least and there are an awful lot of them.

Anyway....obviously he can’t do it and needing congress means he needs the House....not that the senate would be a lock either.

Hes just laying his ground work in case he loses to say he’s been saying it’s rigged all along.

[Shogon]

And... now... after all the hysteria over orange man bad for the past 4 years... well... this actually might be something to worry about. Hopefully not, but it very well may be.

[~primetime~]

Old people won’t leave trump. Not old white ones at least and there are an awful lot of them.

Anyway....obviously he can’t do it and needing congress means he needs the House....not that the senate would be a lock either.

Hes just laying his ground work in case he loses to say he’s been saying it’s rigged all along.

all the data shows that is where Trump has lost the most ground...the 65+ crowd...you know, the crowd that dies from covid

here you go (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/who-s-behind-trump-s-big-polling-deficit-two-key-n1234605)

[KennyPowers]

all the data shows that is where Trump has lost the most ground...the 65+ crowd...you know, the crowd that dies from covid

here you go (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/who-s-behind-trump-s-big-polling-deficit-two-key-n1234605)

Can't vote if you're dead.

[KennyPowers]

I would like to note that the polls being used are like 2,000 people with nothing better to do than answer phone calls from strangers and talk to them about their political beliefs.




See Clinton leading Trump by 10+ points 4 straight months before the election.




2,000 mentally challenged people are not a reflection of 330 million citizens.

[LAmbruh]

7 posts in, little kenny already fuming :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Trump keeping America and the voters safe. :applause:

[LAmbruh]

Trump keeping America and the voters safe. :applause:

if only he could delay obesity :ohwell:

[Kblaze8855]

I would like to note that the polls being used are like 2,000 people with nothing better to do than answer phone calls from strangers and talk to them about their political beliefs.




See Clinton leading Trump by 10+ points 4 straight months before the election.




2,000 mentally challenged people are not a reflection of 330 million citizens.

You could also see the many many many many many times polls were right. Or that she got millions more votes which is what polls said should happen(the closest to being right was Rasmussen who trump loves who said she would win about 2 million more votes). 10 thousand here or there swinging the election doesn’t make the whole process incorrect. It makes nationwide polling mostly irrelevant.

The best way I can see is polling likely voters not just random Americans because more than half don’t vote. Which is why Rasmussen is generally closer than others. They recently had Trump from negative 19 in approval all the way up to even after he started wearing a mask. They have Biden up but barely. Like 3-5 points....again....nationwide.

Its closer than the usual polls show no doubt but that doesn’t mean the polls are somehow rigged. It means who gets the most votes doesn’t always win. Republicans have won that way 3 times I believe though no Democrat ever has.

[Derka]

His office isn't empowered to actually do this so...just another case of the media making a mole hill out of Trump not knowing what he's talking about.

[KennyPowers]

7 posts in, little kenny already fuming :oldlol:


Stoned and drinking beer... Yeah meng, I am like super pissed, bruh. Nice hoodrat username by the way, bruh.


Try not to spend all of your upcoming welfare check for you mental disability on trannies this month.

[Shogon]

His office isn't empowered to actually do this so...just another case of the media making a mole hill out of Trump not knowing what he's talking about.

The concern is that, generally speaking, he may try to resist an election result he doesn't like. Media nothing... the tweet is there.

[KennyPowers]

if only he could delay obesity :ohwell:


If only you could reject your fagg0try.


Party at the L-A-m, bruh.


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[Shogon]

Stoned and drinking beer... Yeah meng, I am like super pissed, bruh. Nice hoodrat username by the way, bruh.


Try not to spend all of your upcoming welfare check for you mental disability on trannies this month.

did kenneth finally rise from the dead? welp, **** this forum.

[Kblaze8855]

And... now... after all the hysteria over orange man bad for the past 4 years... well... this actually might be something to worry about. Hopefully not, but it very well may be.

If he loses he will absolutely blow a gasket and set records on Twitter. Whatever the most responded to tweet ever is he’s gonna top it that day(assuming it’s not already him). He will talk about contesting the results, recounts in close states, waiting for absentee and all that. I suspect Pelosi will play it like no big deal and just tweet inauguration details. The secret service doesn’t work for whoever sits on the office. If someone else swears in they work for him. He’s not about to be escorted out of the building by force. I think he would raise hell then leave early skipping the inauguration and hold a competing press conference at worst.

[Real Men Wear Green]

His office isn't empowered to actually do this so...just another case of the media making a mole hill out of Trump not knowing what he's talking about.

He suggested that it be done but didn't say he was going to do it. That being said it wouldn't shock me if he thinks he can. No president has ever been more ignorant about the limits of his authority.

[FourthTenor]

If he loses he will absolutely blow a gasket and set records on Twitter. Whatever the most responded to tweet ever is he’s gonna top it that day(assuming it’s not already him). He will talk about contesting the results, recounts in close states, waiting for absentee and all that. I suspect Pelosi will play it like no big deal and just tweet inauguration details. The secret service doesn’t work for whoever sits on the office. If someone else swears in they work for him. He’s not about to be escorted out of the building by force. I think he would raise hell then leave early skipping the inauguration and hold a competing press conference at worst.


In this way, Trump is an exact reflection of the typical American, particularly those who hate him.


For people who would support an unprecedented economic shut down and a “new normal” with 24/7 face coverings over a virus... you would think a delay to an election would be nothing to them. Whats a delayed election after all this country has done because of covid?? If this was anything BUT a Trump l election they would be demanding a delay. They would be crucifying anyone suggesting it shouldnt be delayed.

Those in the public who hate Trump mostly resent him because hes a successful version of what they are.

[bladefd]

If he loses he will absolutely blow a gasket and set records on Twitter. Whatever the most responded to tweet ever is he’s gonna top it that day(assuming it’s not already him). He will talk about contesting the results, recounts in close states, waiting for absentee and all that. I suspect Pelosi will play it like no big deal and just tweet inauguration details. The secret service doesn’t work for whoever sits on the office. If someone else swears in they work for him. He’s not about to be escorted out of the building by force. I think he would raise hell then leave early skipping the inauguration and hold a competing press conference at worst.

The president is also supposed to work with president-elect between election and inauguration day, showing him the ropes. Obama did that with Trump, as have all previous presidents. I suspect Trump may become an exception to that rule.

[FourthTenor]

The president is also supposed to work with president-elect between election and inauguration day, showing him the ropes. Obama did that with Trump, as have all previous presidents. I suspect Trump may become an exception to that rule.


Obama GRUDGINGLY did it for Trump while trying to undermine him every step of the way.

Also, Biden was a Vice President. He knows the ropes.


But anything to attack Trump! Thats all that matters to you because you dont understand more complicated things.

[Facepalm]

if only he could delay obesity :ohwell:

:roll:

[bladefd]

In this way, Trump is an exact reflection of the typical American, particularly those who hate him.


For people who would support an unprecedented economic shut down and a “new normal” with 24/7 face coverings over a virus... you would think a delay to an election would be nothing to them. Whats a delayed election after all this country has done because of covid?? If this was anything BUT a Trump l election they would be demanding a delay. They would be crucifying anyone suggesting it shouldnt be delayed.

Those in the public who hate Trump mostly resent him because hes a successful version of what they are.

When has a previous president, any president from any party in American history, suggested delaying an election? We have had plenty of issues, civil war, world wars even but has any president before suggested delaying an election???

[Derka]

The concern is that, generally speaking, he may try to resist an election result he doesn't like. Media nothing... the tweet is there.

Of course he's going to resist and scream that the results are fake. If he loses, he's going to have the Greatest Meltdown in Twitter History (caps intentional). That much is in the bank. There's not much else he can do about it though. He's not going to lock himself and Melania in the Lincoln Bedroom and refuse to leave.

[FourthTenor]

When has a previous president, any president from any party in American party, suggested delaying an election? We have had plenty of issues, world wars even but has any president before suggested delaying an election???


:wtf:


Do wars spread easily among people waiting in line to vote??


This is a pandemic in an election year. Trump haters are the ones telling everyone how dangerous it is. We just shut down the whole country for months over it.

If it’s still a problem right now, why not be cautious and postpone the election? We dont know when the virus will go away.


The answer, the ONLY answer, is because people want to gain as much as they can politically. When the virus helps, then push fear of the virus. When we need to ignore the virus, then its virus shmirus.


Massive hypocrisy but then again thats people.

[FourthTenor]

Of course he's going to resist and scream that the results are fake. If he loses, he's going to have the Greatest Meltdown in Twitter History (caps intentional). That much is in the bank. There's not much else he can do about it though. He's not going to lock himself and Melania in the Lincoln Bedroom and refuse to leave.


You love this gossip aspect of politics amd all the news about what orange man did recently, but what do you have to offer regarding ideas of policy and direction? Can you direct me to some insightful posts of yours?

Well whatever. People gon people.

[Derka]

You love this gossip aspect of politics amd all the news about what orange man did recently, but what do you have to offer regarding ideas of policy and direction? Can you direct me to some insightful posts of yours?

Well whatever. People gon people.

I don't know whose alt you are, dragged out of inactivity after how ever long. Doesn't matter. This is the only reply you'll get from me as one human being would reply to another and you'll not garner my attention ever again. You don't matter.

[FourthTenor]

I don't know whose alt you are, dragged out of inactivity after how ever long. Doesn't matter. This is the only reply you'll get from me as one human being would reply to another and you'll not garner my attention ever again. You don't matter.


Yeah keep wowing people with your insights on how Orange Man is like such a super immature baby!

Thats the profound, intellectual contribution America’s been missing.

We arent getting anywhere because we dont get enough of THAT.

Thanks.

[ArbitraryWater]

if only he could delay obesity :ohwell:

the next one champ!

[RRR3]

I don't know whose alt you are, dragged out of inactivity after how ever long. Doesn't matter. This is the only reply you'll get from me as one human being would reply to another and you'll not garner my attention ever again. You don't matter.
It’s Starface AKA Akrazotile/FultzNationRise

[JohnnySic]

If its about covid, delaying the election is pointless. The Dems will keep the covid hoax going for as long as is its needed.

If Biden wins, covid (and BLM) will get kicked to the curb instantly. No more use for it.

If Trump wins, its less clear what will happen. Maybe covid continues, or maybe the Dems move on to their next abomination. Perhaps another impeachment attempt.

[FourthTenor]

It’s Starface AKA Akrazotile/FultzNationRise


Yes, great job.

Thats the only correct observation youll make all year. Be sure to pop a bottle of bubbly.

[bladefd]

:wtf:


Do wars spread easily among people waiting in line to vote??


This is a pandemic in an election year. Trump haters are the ones telling everyone how dangerous it is. We just shut down the whole country for months over it.

If it’s still a problem right now, why not be cautious and postpone the election? We dont know when the virus will go away.


The answer, the ONLY answer, is because people want to gain as much as they can politically. When the virus helps, then push fear of the virus. When we need to ignore the virus, then its virus shmirus.


Massive hypocrisy but then again thats people.

We had a presidential election during the Civil War when the country was split in half. We had mid-terms during the 1918 pandemic. What makes lil Donny an exception?

[FourthTenor]

We had a presidential election during the Civil War when the country was split in half. We had mid-terms during the 1918 pandemic.

And? People died in big numbers from the 1918 pandemic right? Isnt that the whole point? We need to learn from it and minimize the casualities. More social distancing.

Thats why rights have been stripped in unprecedented fashion. To “protect peoples health.”

But we cant delay an election a couple months?

Sounds hypocritical and disingenuous.

[bladefd]

And? People died in big numbers from the 1918 pandemic right? Isnt that the whole point? We need to learn from it and minimize the casualities. More social distancing.

Thats why rights have been stripped in unprecedented fashion. To “protect peoples health.”

But we cant delay an election a couple months?

Sounds hypocritical and disingenuous.

So vote through the mail. What's the issue? I always vote through mail..

[Patrick Chewing]

Honestly, this election should be delayed until a vaccine is found. Last thing we need is more people getting infected over a silly election.

[FourthTenor]

So vote through the mail. What's the issue? I always vote through mail..


Thats racist tho, not everyone has an address.

You cant require at risk people to either have an ID and an address etc or else give up their right to vote or risk catching the covid.


Postpone the election. Simple.

Wheres the harm...?

2-3 month election delay vs a public health risk??

Your priorities are showing...

[RRR3]

Maybe if the election is delayed Trump and Biden will both die. Perfect time for a Communist to seize power IMO.

[Patrick Chewing]

Maybe if the election is delayed Trump and Biden will both die. Perfect time for a Communist to seize power IMO.

Woah, woah, was that a threat?? Calling FBI right now.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ZigzagVagueGeese-size_restricted.gif


On their way.

[LAmbruh]

Why delay doe?



It's just a flu bro :roll: :roll:

[Kblaze8855]

It’s Starface AKA Akrazotile/FultzNationRise

He managed to rack up over 1400 days of ban time across two alts in a matter of hours. He’s doing Wilt numbers.

[FourthTenor]

He managed to rack up over 1400 days of ban time across two alts in a matter of hours. He’s doing Wilt numbers.


I bitch slapped RMWG in the bball forum, so he banned me for two years. Then I logged into another name minutes later and did it again :lol


I’m currently “banned” from ISH for four years :roll:

[tpols]

I bitch slapped RMWG in the bball forum, so he banned me for two years. Then I logged into another name minutes later and did it again :lol


I’m currently “banned” from ISH for four years :roll:

damn homie... they got you doing a 3-5 in the pen, eh? :roll: i wonder what was said.

[Patrick Chewing]

RMWG is a very triggered individual. As a moderator, he fails miserably. He allows his emotions to take over and he throws impartiality out the window. He must have something on Jeff.

[FourthTenor]

damn homie... they got you doing a 3-5 in the pen, eh? :roll: i wonder what was said.

Yeah, but the good news is Jeff had to release me on this name bc of jail overcrowding during the pandemic
:roll:



:djparty

[TheMan]

YIKES (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53597975?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR1oz_Sz39QIGyEWQeuwuMmzsXoOMKQW7KroMivtj jRvW4azzYw6DY7CZrA)


little donny already feeling the pressure and still 4 months away


desperate times, desperate measures


if only Covid-19 would just magically disappear like he intended :(



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8yOv4PwttM

He knows he'll lose, even lamenting the fact Dr Fauci has a high approval rating and not him, hahaha

[TheMan]

I don't know whose alt you are, dragged out of inactivity after how ever long. Doesn't matter. This is the only reply you'll get from me as one human being would reply to another and you'll not garner my attention ever again. You don't matter.

Starface...same boring insults and always personally attacking posters who don't worship his Dear Leader.

[TheMan]

It’s Starface AKA Akrazotile/FultzNationRise

Add FourthTenor too...also, MsButthurt sounds like a dumber version of Starface

[diamenz]

I don't know whose alt you are, dragged out of inactivity after how ever long. Doesn't matter. This is the only reply you'll get from me as one human being would reply to another and you'll not garner my attention ever again. You don't matter.

that's bladefd, bro.

[999Guy]

And... now... after all the hysteria over orange man bad for the past 4 years... well... this actually might be something to worry about. Hopefully not, but it very well may be.

Do you actually believe this is the first third world type shit he’s tried in his presidency?


This doesn’t even shock me.

Republicans are destroying so many precedents in such a small amount of time it’s not even disturbing anymore.

I really don’t think we’ll have a functional democracy at some point in our lifetimes. You idiots really ****ing know how to pick them.

[999Guy]

If its about covid, delaying the election is pointless. The Dems will keep the covid hoax going for as long as is its needed.

If Biden wins, covid (and BLM) will get kicked to the curb instantly. No more use for it.

If Trump wins, its less clear what will happen. Maybe covid continues, or maybe the Dems move on to their next abomination. Perhaps another impeachment attempt.
Do you actually believe this is an attempt to delay the election in some ****ing proper way? Which btw doesn’t even exist if the president does it. The executive branch can’t and shouldn’t delay an election.

This is literally either end of the democracy in one way or another.

This is shit Putin literally does in his staged, fake-ass democracy where there’s never a legitimate election.

[Facepalm]

Do you actually believe this is the first third world type shit he’s tried in his presidency?


This doesn’t even shock me.

Republicans are destroying so many precedents in such a small amount of time it’s not even disturbing anymore.

I really don’t think we’ll have a functional democracy at some point in our lifetimes. You idiots really ****ing know how to pick them.

But hey! Obama once wore a tan suit!! :mad:

[FourthTenor]

Do you actually believe this is an attempt to delay the election in some ****ing proper way? Which btw doesn’t even exist if the president does it. The executive branch can’t and shouldn’t delay an election.

This is literally either end of the democracy in one way or another.

This is shit Putin literally does in his staged, fake-ass democracy where there’s never a legitimate election.


Obviously.

But if Congress wont do it after creating such a massive hysteria over the deadly and contagious nature of this virus... then it’s pretty obvious what the covid hysteria is really all about. And it makes the public look like a bunch of brain dead, dim witted sheep.

MILLIONS of Americans line up in the same place at the same time to vote.

Congress is really gonna put public safety in jeopardy that way over something that could easily be postponed until theres more certainty about the timeline of this horrific contagion?

Cognitive dissonance required beyond this point.


Gobble it up, turkey boys.

Gobble gobble.

[Lebron23]

Why delay doe?



It's just a flu bro :roll: :roll:


Add FourthTenor too...also, MsButthurt sounds like a dumber version of Starface

Trump is done. He's not going to win reelection by the look of things.

[KennyPowers]

Add FourthTenor too...also, MsButthurt sounds like a dumber version of Starface

I can smell your bean burrito diarrhea through my monitor.

[FourthTenor]

Trump is done. He's not going to win reelection by the look of things.

He very well may not.

The point is, if you think that’s a good thing, considering his opponent is Joe Biden...

It’s gonna be unlikely many smart people respect your intelligence. That’s all.


I dont doubt Trump may lose. I just want the deranged mob who are excited for it to know how utterly motivated by petty inferiority they actually are. Rather than any kind of true concern for their society.

Thats how they see Trump, and it’s exactly how they are themselves. Petty, petulant, illogical, and defensive.

I just wish they were smart enough to see and appreciate the irony, so they could have a good laugh about it with the rest of us.

[KennyPowers]

He very well may not.

The point is, if you think that’s a good thing, considering his opponent is Joe Biden...

It’s gonna be unlikely many smart people respect your intelligence. That’s all.


I dont doubt Trump may lose. I just want the deranged mob whose excited for it to know how utterly motivated by petty interiority they actually are.

Thats how they see Trump, and it’s exactly how they are themselves.

If they were smart enough to see and appreciate the irony, so they could have a good laugh about it with the rest of us.




Libtard progressives never self-reflect, only deflect and blame others.



They are a lost cause.

[Lebron23]

He very well may not.

The point is, if you think that’s a good thing, considering his opponent is Joe Biden...

It’s gonna be unlikely many smart people respect your intelligence. That’s all.


I dont doubt Trump may lose. I just want the deranged mob whose excited for it to know how utterly motivated by petty interiority they actually are.

Thats how they see Trump, and it’s exactly how they are themselves.

If they were smart enough to see and appreciate the irony, so they could have a good laugh about it with the rest of us.

You guys have garbage presidential candidates. The Philippines too. Trump made horrible decisions in the last few months of his presidency. Just like underestimating the coronavirus, and proclaiming that the virus was gone by Easter. Only reason trump was elected because people hates hilary, and russian "Helped"him during the elections. Joe Biden might be a short term president just like William Henry Harrison. Democrat needs to select a younger vice president that's going to help your country in the current global crisis. Trump is just a terrible politician. My cat is smarter than him. Only trolls and rednecks likes him.

[MMM]

Trump losing is not going to be the W that some are hoping for, and those same people might be better served in Trump winning now, so they are better equipped in 24.

The dems never accepted GWB or Trump while the GOP never accepted Clinton/ Obama. I don't know if the two are precisely equivalent but the Trump supporters will definitely not accept defeat

[FourthTenor]

You guys have garbage presidential candidates. The Philippines too. Trump made horrible decisions in the last few months of his presidency. Just like underestimating the coronavirus, and proclaiming that the virus was gone by Easter. Only reason trump was elected because people hates hilary, and russian "Helped"him during the elections. Joe Biden might be a short term president just like William Henry Harrison. Democrat needs to select a younger vice president that's going to help your country in the current global crisis. Trump is just a terrible politician. My cat is smarter than him. Only trolls and rednecks likes him.


Presidents cant “fix” the perpetual problems caused by large numbers of bone headed people, which is what most countries are filled with. If you expect a President to make utopia for you, youll be waiting forever. Politicians are not the cure for society’s ills. Education and decency are. And if you walk down the streets in America or PH, you wont see a ton of it. Politicians cant fix that.

Trump’s job is to keep America secure and in general protect its freedoms. After sixteen years of constant “muslim terror” in the news cycle, weve hardly heard a peep under Trump. Hes tried to improve border security to protect American wage workers, despite resistance from Democrats. Same with reworked trade deals, despite resistance from Democrats. Hes tried to protect businesses with lower taxes and red tape. He signed criminal justice reform that reversed “racist” policies the left complained about for years.

This has taken power away from big global power players who use America as a puppet, and theyre the ones whove set him up to fail by using the media to wildly exaggerate “deadly viruses” and “endemic threats to black lives by police” in an election year.


Average people have no clue whats important, and they let the media tell them. Average people make up the majoirty. They are completely under media lock and key.

Trump haters are the proof.

[FourthTenor]

Trump losing is not going to be the W that some are hoping for, and those same people might be better served in Trump winning now, so they are better equipped in 24.

The dems never accepted GWB or Trump while the GOP never accepted Clinton/ Obama. I don't know if the two are precisely equivalent but the Trump supporters will definitely not accept defeat


Yep.

Trump is better than Biden for the American public in 2020-2024.

And someone else will be better than Biden for the American public in 2024-2028. But if they vote Biden in now, they may be stuck with him (or his VP shill) for 8 years.


If people want the Bush/Obama Oligarchy back in complete control over the country, go ahead and vote Biden.

Anyone else, shouldnt.

Naturally, tho, idiots like ItsMillerTime who complain about the establishment will vote Biden over Trump because hes the kind of guy whom the media targets for twisting his lil pea brain into a pretzel. He’s the kind of idiot the media can actually convince to fall for Orwellian Doublethink.

[Lebron23]

Presidents cant “fix” the perpetual problems caused by large numbers of bone headed people, which is what most countries are filled with. If you expect a President to make utopia for you, youll be waiting forever. Politicians are not the cure for society’s ills. Education and decency are. And if you walk down the streets in America or PH, you wont see a ton of it. Politicians cant fix that.

Trump’s job is to keep America secure and in general protect its freedoms. After sixteen years of constant “muslim terror” in the news cycle, weve hardly heard a peep under Trump. Hes tried to improve border security to protect American wage workers, despite resistance from Democrats. Same with reworked trade deals, despite resistance from Democrats. Hes tried to protect businesses with lower taxes and red tape. He signed criminal justice reform that reversed “racist” policies the left complained about for years.

This has taken power away from big global power players who use America as a puppet, and theyre the ones whove set him up to fail by using the media to wildly exaggerate “deadly viruses” and “endemic threats to black lives by police” in an election year.


Average people have no clue whats important, and they let the media tell them. Average people make up the majoirty. They are completely under media lock and key.

Trump haters are the proof.

Fair Enough

[FourthTenor]

Fair Enough



:cheers:

[SATAN]

Donald Trump is a corrupt scumbag. It's so predictable. The world watches this laughing stock country now completely corrupted and awash with greed and stupidity.

[KennyPowers]

Donald Trump is a corrupt scumbag. It's so predictable. The world watches this laughing stock country now completely corrupted and awash with greed and stupidity.

How many pairs of Slave Jordan's have you purchased in your life?

[RRR3]

Donald Trump is a corrupt scumbag. It's so predictable. The world watches this laughing stock country now completely corrupted and awash with greed and stupidity.
He is a corrupt scumbag, but so is Biden. The duopoly on American politics is sickening.

[SATAN]

0...

Now go make another account

[SATAN]

He is a corrupt scumbag, but so is Biden. The duopoly on American politics is sickening.

Sad as that may be, Biden is still a better choice. Trump is literally one of the worst people I have ever seen. Surprised he hasn't been JFKd.

[BurningHammer]

The Philippines too.

Question; Who is better, Trump or Duterte?

[Lebron23]

Question; Who is better, Trump or Duterte?
Trump. Duterte is a slave of China. Most of our contested islands are conquered by China. And he's a corrupt sob.

[RRR3]

Sad as that may be, Biden is still a better choice. Trump is literally one of the worst people I have ever seen. Surprised he hasn't been JFKd.
I don’t think I agree that Biden is a better choice if we’re talking long term. Trump will certainly be worse domestically and environmentally (he will still be terrible here tho), but Biden has a good chance of being worse foreign policy wise (i.e., starting more conflicts and/or wars). Trump winning again could lead to AOC in 2024 which is what the country actually needs. What I think we need are: green new deal, M4A, affordable housing, getting out of foreign conflicts, free public college, legalization of marijuana + freeing prisoners who were arrested on marijuana related charges, defunding (not abolishing before anyone screeches at me) the police and the pentagon, significantly raising the minimum wage, eliminating money from politics, protecting workers instead of corporations and serious criminal justice reform. Biden will do none of this, and then we get President Tucker Carlson winning in 2024. Long term I suspect it’s best if Trump wins and then AOC defeats whoever in 2024. I refuse to vote for Trump out of principal, but I won’t vote for Biden either based on the same principles. Both these men are truly evil, and we need to stop playing the establishment’s game. I truly hope AOC is able to run in 2024 (she turns 35 before the election) because America needs it.

[FourthTenor]

I don’t think I agree that Biden is a better choice if we’re talking long term. Trump will certainly be worse domestically and environmentally (he will still be terrible here tho), but Biden has a good chance of being worse foreign policy wise (i.e., starting more conflicts and/or wars). Trump winning again could lead to AOC in 2024 which is what the country actually needs. What I think we need are: green new deal, M4A, affordable housing, getting out of foreign conflicts, free public college, legalization of marijuana + freeing prisoners who were arrested on marijuana related charges, defunding (not abolishing before anyone screeches at me) the police and the pentagon, significantly raising the minimum wage, eliminating money from politics, protecting workers instead of corporations and serious criminal justice reform. Biden will do none of this, and then we get President Tucker Carlson winning in 2024. Long term I suspect it’s best if Trump wins and then AOC defeats whoever in 2024. I refuse to vote for Trump out of principal, but I won’t vote for Biden either based on the same principles. Both these men are truly evil, and we need to stop playing the establishment’s game. I truly hope AOC is able to run in 2024 (she turns 35 before the election) because America needs it.


I ask this quite seriously, why dont you just move to Canada or Europe?

I’m already researching the possibility for myself, but obviously my plans are contingent on different political goals than yours.

The current American population cannot sustain a welfare state. Our population lacks the accountability, culture, and national unity necessary. It will collapse spectacularly. Nobody would be more glad to eat crow on the issue than I would, but being objective is a necessity.

People in small homogeneous countries already have the ability to take care of themselves; they socialize many aspects of society as a matter of convenience; NOT necessity. This is a huge point you are underestimating. You are seeking to socialize as a CURE for problems rooted deep in history, culture, and aptitude. That will not he sustainable.

I realize you disagree, which isnt my point. My point is Ill move away IF I see us shifting toward policies that will lead to collapse. But you seemingly disagree with the policies CURRENTLY in place. So why not move away?

[Axe]

Trump. Duterte is a slave of China. Most of our contested islands are conquered by China. And he's a corrupt sob.
The problem is, nobody gives a shit about that third world country, well, compared to usa. And if it was them who conquered their islands plus the geezer is also pro-america, then you'd call him a slave of america as well if that were the case instead? Lmao.

[RRR3]

I ask this quite seriously, why dont you just move to Canada or Europe?

I’m already researching the possibility for myself, but obviously my plans are contingent on different political goals than yours.

The current American population cannot sustain a welfare state. Our population lacks the accountability, culture, and national unity necessary. It will collapse spectacularly. Nobody would be more glad to eat crow on the issue than I would, but being objective is a necessity.

People in small homogeneous countries already have the ability to take care of themselves; they socialize many aspects of society as a matter of convenience; NOT necessity. This is a huge point you are underestimating. You are seeking to socialize as a CURE for problems rooted deep in history, culture, and aptitude. That will not he sustainable.

I realize you disagree, which isnt my point. My point is Ill move away IF I see us shifting toward policies that will lead to collapse. But you seemingly disagree with the policies CURRENTLY in place. So why not move away?
You have been conditioned to think we can’t afford these things. We can. We spend on obscene amount of money on things that are ultimately superfluous. Someone like AOC isn’t going to truly redistribute the wealth in the way I would, their policies would simply make us more like a lot of Europe.

As to why I don’t move, I’m in my hometown and the city and people here have meaning to me.

[JohnnySic]

The Democrats will never nominate a progressive, and I am very thankful for that.

[warriorfan]

damn homie... they got you doing a 3-5 in the pen, eh? :roll: i wonder what was said.

I think he implied he was gonna shove his fist in Green’s ass or something like that.

[TheMan]

He very well may not.

The point is, if you think that’s a good thing, considering his opponent is Joe Biden...

It’s gonna be unlikely many smart people respect your intelligence. That’s all.


I dont doubt Trump may lose. I just want the deranged mob who are excited for it to know how utterly motivated by petty inferiority they actually are. Rather than any kind of true concern for their society.

Thats how they see Trump, and it’s exactly how they are themselves. Petty, petulant, illogical, and defensive.

I just wish they were smart enough to see and appreciate the irony, so they could have a good laugh about it with the rest of us.
Absolutely seething ROFL


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[FourthTenor]

You have been conditioned to think we can’t afford these things. We can. We spend on obscene amount of money on things that are ultimately superfluous. Someone like AOC isn’t going to truly redistribute the wealth in the way I would, their policies would simply make us more like a lot of Europe.

As to why I don’t move, I’m in my hometown and the city and people here have meaning to me.

Its not about affording them in the short term.

It’s about the lack of motivation it will create among people to contribute in the long term. We do not have a healthy culture of pride and accountability in this country. Nationalism is a value in other countries, here it is a swear word. Child rearing is a responsibility in other countries. Here in BabyMamaville, single parenting is celebrated.

People in other countries no longer need to be taught to be independent and productive and responsible. It’s already part of the culture. Thats not the reality here.

In fact, we have a case in point in front of our very eyes. Americans are getting beefy coronavirus welfare checks right now, and where are they?

In the streets rioting.


Your guarantee of a welfare state will lead to a dissolution of structure and productivity, and will result in a lawless wild west of young brown people running around in rival gangs. I know you think its woke to support that, but it will be a nightmare and YOU will eventually want to leave. It’s the exact reason so many people are currently trying to get HERE from other socialist countries. Because historically our system gives decent people a chance.

Youre naive. Which is a part of youth. But you arent exactly a kid anymore.

You need to start growing up.

[RRR3]

Its not about affording them in the short term.

It’s about the lack of motivation it will create among people to contribute in the long term. We do not have a healthy culture of pride and accountability in this country. Nationalism is a value in other countries, here it is a swear word. Child rearing is a responsibility in other countries. Here in BabyMamaville, single parenting is celebrated.

People in other countries no longer need to be taught to be independent and productive and responsible. It’s already part of the culture. Thats not the reality here.

In fact, we have a case in point in front of our very eyes. Americans are getting beefy coronavirus welfare checks right now, and where are they?

In the streets rioting.


Your guarantee of a welfare state will lead to a dissolution of structure and productivity, and will result in a lawless wild west of young brown people running around in rival gangs. I know you think its woke to support that, but it will be a nightmare and YOU will eventually want to leave. It’s the exact reason so many people are currently trying to get HERE from other socialist countries. Because historically our system gives decent people a chance.

Youre naive. Which is a part of youth. But you arent exactly a kid anymore.

You need to start growing up.
You clearly haven’t been paying attention. People are unable to pay their rents and afford basic things because congress refuses to pass legislation that would create an actual safety net during a literal pandemic. This applies to both the Democrats and the Republicans in Congress. Outside of a few progressives in the Democratic Party, both sides are much more focused on bailing out corporations. I’m not sure why you’re under the impression treating the working class like human beings entails a “welfare state” but capitalism has done quite a number on you. It’s funny you start shrieking about me needing to grow up when I suggest we enact common sense policies AOC (one of the few politician who isn’t bought and paid for, although that of course could change) would fight for if she was in the Oval Office. It’s not about being “woke”, in fact I have come to detest cancel culture and political correctness, I’m an firm believer in altruism and equality. Honestly, the most fair society would be anarchy, but I’m well aware of how that would work out. If you think AOC is going to turn us into the Soviet Union, you are sorely misinformed about her.

[FourthTenor]

You clearly haven’t been paying attention. People are unable to pay their rents and afford basic things because congress refuses to pass legislation that would create an actual safety net during a literal pandemic. This applies to both the Democrats and the Republicans in Congress. Outside of a few progressives in the Democratic Party, both sides are much more focused on bailing out corporations. I’m not sure why you’re under the impression treating the working class like human beings entails a “welfare state” but capitalism has done quite a number on you. It’s funny you start shrieking about me needing to grow up when I suggest we enact common sense policies AOC (one of the few politician who isn’t bought and paid for, although that of course could change) would fight for if she was in the Oval Office. It’s not about being “woke”, in fact I have come to detest cancel culture and political correctness, I’m an firm believer in altruism and equality. Honestly, the most fair society would be anarchy, but I’m well aware of how that would work out. If you think AOC is going to turn us into the Soviet Union, you are sorely misinformed about her.


Every country you point to as a model, has a much stricter immigration policy than we do, and that is WHY their workers are better able to make a living across the board. That is the most fundamental obstacle to wealth parity. The supply leverage of workers.

EVERY country you clap for has that in place. America has been different, thus our results have been different.

But I havent heard you make a peep about left wing attempts to stymie Trump’s efforts to bring us up to speed there. Your crowd wants to keep that moral authority, EVEN when it’s an impediment to your other supposed goals.

That kind of hypocrisy wont work.

If I’d ever heard you taking them to task on it, I’d give you that credit. But I havent.

[RRR3]

Every country you point to as a model, has a much stricter immigration policy than we do, and that is WHY their workers are better able to make a living across the board. That is the most fundamental obstacle to wealth parity. The supply leverage of workers.

EVERY country you clap for has that in place. America has been different, thus our results have been different.

But I havent heard you make a peep about left wing attempts to stymie Trump’s efforts to bring us up to speed there. Your crowd wants to keep that moral authority, EVEN when it’s an impediment to your other supposed goals.

That kind of hypocrisy wont work.

If I’d ever heard you taking them to task on it I’d give you that credit. But I havent.
I’m against open borders :confusedshrug:
I’m also pro second amendment

Republicans aren’t wrong about everything. The way Trump and ICE have treated immigrants is wrong (Obama was guilty of this as well before you start having a tantrum), but I do support limited immigration in order to protect American workers.

I’ve told you multiple times you’ve clearly missed how my political stances have changed, and you’ve been unwilling to listen.

[FourthTenor]

I’m against open borders :confusedshrug:
I’m also pro second amendment

Republicans aren’t wrong about everything. The way Trump and ICE have treated immigrants is wrong (Obama was guilty of this as well before you start having a tantrum), but I do support limited immigration in order to protect American workers.

I’ve told you multiple times you’ve clearly missed how my political stances have changed, and you’ve been unwilling to listen.


No, Ive heard you say youre “against open borders,” as many to the left do as a general buffer against accusations of being an obvious hypocrite.

And Ive heard you criticize all the ways Trump has tried to address immigration.

But I havent heard you speak up about how illegal immigrations laws SHOULD be enforced? Which, if you oppose open borders, is kinda the important part.

Just saying “no open borders, u guys!” doesnt stop anyone from overstaying their welcome.

How do you propose we improve enforcement?

[RRR3]

No, Ive heard you say youre “against open borders,” as many to the left do as a general buffer against accusations of being an obvious hypocrite.

And Ive heard you criticize all the ways Trump has tried to address immigration.

But I havent heard you speak up about how illegal immigrations laws SHOULD be endorced? Which, if you oppose open borders, is kinda the important part.

Just saying “no open borders, u guys!” doesnt stop anyone from overstaying their welcome.

How do you propose we improve enforcement?
I don’t know what the best solution is for America. A wall could be the answer, but Trump had no chance of bipartisan support given the language he used. Democrats are highly concerned with optics; they will not support a plan with xenophobic messaging, even if the plan has merit. What I disagree with is the way Trump and previous presidents have dehumanized illegal immigrants. Not providing vaccinations to them at their camps is just pointlessly cruel. That is what I disagree with Trump on, I don’t disagree with his view that illegal immigration is a problem...I disagree with his treatment of illegal immigrants. There should be a path to citizenship, and in an ideal society, there would be open borders, but that is not feasible as long as we live in the kind of capitalist society we live in. I would propose we treat illegal immigrants with respect and not break up families. Provide them adequate shelter and healthcare and better facilities and let them know they can apply for citizenship legally.

[coin24]

What a surprise the transman wants everything for free and wants to contribute nothing.

You can't have Medicare for all without people funding it. Ie pay more taxes.
Refugees and immigrants ruin these systems in every country they arrive in.
You can't just give free degrees to everyone because then they're worthless also.

Who funds these affordable housing projects? The tax payer. Then they are filled up with scumbags usually and turn into slums.

And AOC? Lol, the same people who call trump "dumb" praise that idiot? She's a clueless rambling moron that has no idea of anything financial or business related.

[FourthTenor]

I dont know what vaccination controversy youre referring to with immigrants, but speaking generally, giving the five-star treatment to people breaking laws youre asking them not to break, wont get results. Inviting them to disrespect you by being a push over wont get results.

Sometimes you have to actually punish people if they break a rule.

Otherwise it kinda doesnt work.

Thats life.

And it goes back to the growing up thing.

[coin24]

I don’t know what the best solution is for America. A wall could be the answer, but Trump had no chance of bipartisan support given the language he used. Democrats are highly concerned with optics; they will not support a plan with xenophobic messaging, even if the plan has merit. What I disagree with is the way Trump and previous presidents have dehumanized illegal immigrants. Not providing vaccinations to them at their camps is just pointlessly cruel. That is what I disagree with Trump on, I don’t disagree with his view that illegal immigration is a problem...I disagree with his treatment of illegal immigrants. There should be a path to citizenship, and in an ideal society, there would be open borders, but that is not feasible as long as we live in the kind of capitalist society we live in. I would propose we treat illegal immigrants with respect and not break up families. Provide them adequate shelter and healthcare and better facilities and let them know they can apply for citizenship legally.


Yes the poor criminals need better treatment. They are ILLEGALS
Why do they deserve free medical and vaccinations? How much of a loser can you be?

[MrFonzworth]

Shew....

[coin24]

Shew....

Mini wheels

[Nanners]

Obviously medicare for all is totally whack... I mean why should I be forced to participate in a health system where I have to subsidize the health costs of the rest of society?

Our current system of private insurance is much better... where I subsidize the health costs of the rest of society, AND I also pay for parasitic insurance middlemen who extract billions from our healthcare system while providing absolutely nothing of value

[bladefd]

I don’t think I agree that Biden is a better choice if we’re talking long term. Trump will certainly be worse domestically and environmentally (he will still be terrible here tho), but Biden has a good chance of being worse foreign policy wise (i.e., starting more conflicts and/or wars). Trump winning again could lead to AOC in 2024 which is what the country actually needs. What I think we need are: green new deal, M4A, affordable housing, getting out of foreign conflicts, free public college, legalization of marijuana + freeing prisoners who were arrested on marijuana related charges, defunding (not abolishing before anyone screeches at me) the police and the pentagon, significantly raising the minimum wage, eliminating money from politics, protecting workers instead of corporations and serious criminal justice reform. Biden will do none of this, and then we get President Tucker Carlson winning in 2024. Long term I suspect it’s best if Trump wins and then AOC defeats whoever in 2024. I refuse to vote for Trump out of principal, but I won’t vote for Biden either based on the same principles. Both these men are truly evil, and we need to stop playing the establishment’s game. I truly hope AOC is able to run in 2024 (she turns 35 before the election) because America needs it.

I also told you that Trump winning again means his sort of behavior would be justified so future candidates would also follow in his path and probably win. Democrats would follow suit and rig in the favor of some celebrity like Kanye West or 50cent or some other douchebag moron who talks a lot of trash, and use that person's celebrity status to rig against progressives once again.

It can blow up in all our faces. Best solution is to show right now that Trump's behavior is improper and not justified. Get his fat ass out so we don't have another sensationalist populist celebrity douchebag in 2024 get into the White House thinking it's all fair because Trump did it

[RRR3]

Obviously medicare for all is totally whack... I mean why should I be forced to participate in a health system where I have to subsidize the health costs of the rest of society?

Our current system of private insurance is much better... where I subsidize the health costs of the rest of society, AND I also pay for parasitic insurance middlemen who extract billions from our healthcare system while providing absolutely nothing of value
:lol

[RRR3]

I also told you that Trump winning again means his sort of behavior would be justified so future candidates would also follow in his path and probably win. Democrats would follow suit and rig in the favor of some celebrity like Kanye West or 50cent or some other douchebag moron who talks a lot of trash, and use that person's celebrity status to rig against progressives once again.

It can blow up in all our faces. Best solution is to show right now that Trump's behavior is improper and not justified. Get his fat ass out so we don't have another sensationalist populist celebrity douchebag in 2024 get into the White House thinking it's all fair because Trump did it
What “behavior”? Mean tweets? He’s been a pretty typical Republican otherwise dude. In fact he’s been better on foreign policy than Obama even (his foreign policy is still awful of course). Bush was far worse.

[Cleverness]

This small inconvenience to save lives seems reasonable. We should delay the election at least until everyone gets vaccinated.

[coin24]

This small inconvenience to save lives seems reasonable. We should delay the election at least until everyone gets vaccinated.

:applause:

[Nanners]

This small inconvenience to save lives seems reasonable. We should delay the election at least until everyone gets vaccinated.

Agreed, and we should make sure that democrats are the first ones to get Dr Bills vaccine... after all, we all know that democrats are far higher quality people than the selfish/racist republicans

[TheMan]

You dummies are just wasting your breath, the POTUS doesn't have the power to delay elections, Congress does and the House is controlled by the Democrats so it ain't happening no matter how many times Trump tweets about it.

Move on

[~primetime~]

Not to mention the idea of fighting to delay the election on the basis of covid while at the same time fighting to open up the country on the basis that covid is no threat is laughably hypocritical.

Impossible to take this seriously

[Patrick Chewing]

What a devastating trifecta for Democrats if before the election, the following three things happen:

1. IG report drops and incriminates several high-profile Democrats
2. RBG dies
3. COVID vaccine is discovered


Therefore, I say...delay! delay! delay!

[FourthTenor]

Not to mention the idea of fighting to delay the election on the basis of covid while at the same time fighting to open up the country on the basis that covid is no threat is laughably hypocritical.

Impossible to take this seriously


Not how it works, big guy.

Democrats/TDS Sufferers are the ones who CHANGED the status quo, by pushing for a "new normal."

Therefore the burden is on THEM to stay consistent.

Trump challenging them to stay consistent is fair game. He's not the one who threw the wrench in 2020. They did.

The fact that you care more about spiting Donald Trump than asking your government to operate with even a SHRED of integrity is a really sad thing, prime time.

You need a legitimate look in the mirror bud.

[FourthTenor]

In fact, I guarantee you Trump and his voting base are 1000% willing to be consistent on the issue.

Either we drop the corona hysteria, return to normal, and keep the election on time...

Or we show the necessary concern for vulnerable people, and not ask them to congregate together in polling places until the pandemic is completely resolved or alternate steps can be taken to ensure everyone can vote safely.


It has to be one or the other. Or else it's completely obvious this WHOLE THING is political.


Take your pick. Or just disappear from the thread. But you're not worming your way out of this with mental gymnastics.

[Facepalm]

Yeesh, even the founder of the Federalist Society has turned on Trump https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/politics/federalist-society-trump-election-mail-in-voting/index.html


The co-founder of the conservative Federalist Society said Thursday in a blistering New York Times op-ed that President Donald Trump's tweet musing about a delay to November's presidential election is grounds for impeachment.

Steven Calabresi, a Northwestern University law professor who has offered broad defenses of the President in recent years, wrote, "I am frankly appalled by the president's recent tweet seeking to postpone the November election. Until recently, I had taken as political hyperbole the Democrats' assertion that President Trump is a fascist."
"But this latest tweet is fascistic and is itself grounds for the president's immediate impeachment again by the House of Representatives and his removal from office by the Senate," he said.
It's a significant break from the co-founder of one of the most influential groups in Republican politics. The Federalist Society has emerged as a leading conservative and libertarian voice in recent years, urging a limited role for judges in society's problems.
The group has also worked closely with Republican administrations to influence the selection of judges. Its leaders advised the George W. Bush administration on appointments and, for Trump, have become an even closer partner in screening candidates for the bench.
The scathing assessment comes hours after Trump explicitly floated delaying November's election in a tweet claiming without evidence that the contest will be flawed.

Trump has no authority to delay an election, and the Constitution gives Congress the power to set the date for voting. Lawmakers from both parties said almost immediately that there was no likelihood the election would be delayed.
"President Trump needs to be told by every Republican in Congress that he cannot postpone the federal election," Calabresi wrote. "Doing so would be illegal, unconstitutional and without precedent in American history. Anyone who says otherwise should never be elected to Congress again."
The op-ed, paired with an array of meaningful pushback on Trump from congressional Republicans on Thursday, offers a rare look at the limits on loyalty to the President within the GOP when it comes to defending his more extreme political urges.
Senate Judiciary Chairman Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican and Trump ally, told CNN when asked about the President's call to delay the election: "I don't think that's a particularly good idea."
And Majority Whip Sen. John Thune of South Dakota, a member of Republican leadership, told CNN that there will be an election in November despite the President's tweet.
"I think that's probably a statement that gets some press attention, but I doubt it gets any serious traction," Thune said. "I think we've had elections every November since about 1788, and I expect that will be the case again this year."
Even with scores of Republicans openly challenging Trump's tweet, Calabresi's op-ed stand outs as a striking defection given his long history in the GOP. While he's offered some criticism of the President in the past, Calabresi has gained significant notoriety in recent years for his forceful repudiations of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation as well as Trump's impeachment over his conduct with Ukraine.

[TheMan]

In fact, I guarantee you Trump and his voting base are 1000% willing to be consistent on the issue.

Either we drop the corona hysteria, return to normal, and keep the election on time...

Or we show the necessary concern for vulnerable people, and not ask them to congregate together in polling places until the pandemic is completely resolved or alternate steps can be taken to ensure everyone can vote safely.


It has to be one or the other. Or else it's completely obvious this WHOLE THING is political.


Take your pick. Or just disappear from the thread. But you're not worming your way out of this with mental gymnastics.

Easy

Mail in ballots?

Problem solved...you're welcome.

[FourthTenor]

Yeesh, even the founder of the Federalist Society has turned on Trump https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/politics/federalist-society-trump-election-mail-in-voting/index.html

If Trump’s tweet is fascist, then state and federal shut downs were fascist. It’s simple.

Go ahead and think he’s a fascist if you want. But you cant pick and choose. It has to be consistent.

It cant be “Democrats are allowed to bend the Constitution over, bc public health, but Trump isnt allowed, bc um, fascist.”

Just pick. Either or both. Not “some politicians are more equal than others.”

Show us you arent a partisan sheep.

Or just confirm to us that you are.

It’s up to you, JtotheIzzo.

Show us what ya got big guy.

[coin24]

Obviously medicare for all is totally whack... I mean why should I be forced to participate in a health system where I have to subsidize the health costs of the rest of society?

Our current system of private insurance is much better... where I subsidize the health costs of the rest of society, AND I also pay for parasitic insurance middlemen who extract billions from our healthcare system while providing absolutely nothing of value


Ok pay 35-45% income tax to fund all these services then like the other counties who have them..

Enjoy that when the unemployed use all the services for free

[Nanners]

Ok pay 35-45% income tax to fund all these services then like the other counties who have them..

Enjoy that when the unemployed use all the services for free

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.CHEX.PC.CD?most_recent_value_desc=true

Between taxes, insurance premiums, and the endless out of pocket costs, americans currently pay FAR more per capita for healthcare for any other nation on earth (its not even close, only switzerland and norway are remotely comparable)... I will gladly pay more income tax if that means saving tons of money overall because my net cost was brought down to something like what France or Japan are paying (less than half of what americans currently pay)

In addition to the fact that M4A would bring costs way down for individuals, it has other benefits as well. My family runs a small business and we offer a healthcare plan to our employees. For the company, the average cost per month per employee is well over 1k (and the employees have to contribute like ~300-500/month too, depending on what "quality" of private insurance plan they choose). Removing that burden would help our company (and others) tremendously.

[FourthTenor]

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.CHEX.PC.CD?most_recent_value_desc=true

Between taxes, insurance premiums, and the endless out of pocket costs, americans currently pay FAR more per capita for healthcare for any other nation on earth (its not even close, only switzerland and norway are remotely comparable)... I will gladly pay more income tax if that means saving tons of money overall because my net cost was brought down to something like what France or Japan are paying (less than half of what americans currently pay)



Part of the reason we pay so much is we're so unhealthy. Not to mention we have so much "dead weight" who aren't contributing to the economy, but whose medical bills get passed on to the people who are paying.


Personally, I don't want to pay these people's health care:

https://i.ibb.co/4KBJ5xb/Maxresdefault.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/pRXk4nP/Nr77m2-b88456257z-120150708191317000ggtapalj-10.jpg


People can call me whatever they want. I don't want the income I earn to be used for sustaining these folks. I would rather spend it on my own family and community, and myself. Period. And I dont apologize for feeling that way.

I know your point is that "we're already paying for them regardless." And my point is... we shouldnt be. Rather than 'formalizing' our subsidy of these people, we should remove our 'informal' subsidy of them. And tell them good riddance.


So, difference of opinion obviously. But this is where my side is coming from at any rate.

[Nanners]

People can call me whatever they want. I don't want the income I earn to be used for sustaining these folks. I would rather spend it on my own family and community, and myself. Period. And I dont apologize for feeling that way.

I know your point is that "we're already paying for them regardless." And my point is... we shouldnt be. Rather than 'formalizing' our subsidy of these people, we should remove our 'informal' subsidy of them. And tell them good riddance.


I dont want to pay for unhealthy people either... just like I dont want to pay for the thousands of bombs we drop on impoverished shepherds in Yemen and Afghanistan, or for the woke propaganda factories that were once known as universities, or for enormous tax breaks for the 0.01% oligarchs who own yachts and private planes, or for $600/week in unemployment benefits for people who dont want to work during a fake pandemic... or countless other things.

Thats beside the point tho. In every developed nation on this planet you pay taxes, and those taxes pay for social services like healthcare, the military, education, welfare... etc. There is not a single developed nation on this planet that does not have some kind of healthcare system where the citizens collectively pay into a pool and some inevitably benefit more than others. What makes the US different from all of those other countries, is that in addition to paying into a pool, we ALSO pay for worthless parasitic insurance middlemen who extract billions from the system for themselves while making patients and doctors jump through all kinds of unnecessary hoops in order to get the care they need.

Anyway, if you want to live in a society that doesnt have social services funded by taxes, there are some countries that offer that - maybe try Somolia or Libya.

[coin24]

I dont want to pay for unhealthy people either... just like I dont want to pay for the thousands of bombs we drop on impoverished shepherds in Yemen and Afghanistan, or for the woke propaganda factories that were once known as universities, or for enormous tax breaks for the 0.01% oligarchs who own yachts and private planes, or for $600/week in unemployment benefits for people who dont want to work during a fake pandemic... or countless other things.

Thats beside the point tho. In every developed nation on this planet you pay taxes, and those taxes pay for social services like healthcare, the military, education, welfare... etc. There is not a single developed nation on this planet that does not have some kind of healthcare system where the citizens collectively pay into a pool and some inevitably benefit more than others. What makes the US different from all of those other countries, is that in addition to paying into a pool, we ALSO pay for parasitic private insurance middlemen who extract billions from the system while making patients and doctors jump through all kinds of unnecessary hoops in order to get the care they need.

Anyway, if you want to live in a society that doesnt have social services funded by taxes, there are some countries that offer that - maybe try Somolia or Libya.


Yeah and when you're the one paying mega taxes every year then you see all the people abusing the system in commission housing, welfare payments and non stop dr and hospital visits cause it's "free" clogging the system you will change your tune quickly..

I'm all for those people having access to the medical service like the dr, but pay a small fee when they visit seeing as they contribute nothing to the service. It's the same in all counties with Medicare for all..

On top of that you bring in immigrants/ refugees that havnt had medical their whole lives now we foot the bill to get them up to standard.

[TheCorporation]

7 posts in, little kenny already fuming :oldlol:

:lol

[FourthTenor]

I dont want to pay for unhealthy people either... just like I dont want to pay for the thousands of bombs we drop on impoverished shepherds in Yemen and Afghanistan, or for the woke propaganda factories that were once known as universities, or for enormous tax breaks for the 0.01% oligarchs who own yachts and private planes, or for $600/week in unemployment benefits for people who dont want to work during a fake pandemic... or countless other things.

Thats beside the point tho. In every developed nation on this planet you pay taxes, and those taxes pay for social services like healthcare, the military, education, welfare... etc. There is not a single developed nation on this planet that does not have some kind of healthcare system where the citizens collectively pay into a pool and some inevitably benefit more than others. What makes us different from all of those other countries, is that in addition to paying into a pool, we ALSO pay for parasitic private insurance middlemen who extract billions from the system while making patients and doctors jump through all kinds of unnecessary hoops in order to get the care they need.

Anyway, if you want to live in a society that doesnt have social services funded by taxes, there are some countries that offer that - maybe try Somolia or Libya.


This goes both ways. There have been numerous massive fraud busts regarding medicare and medicaid in recent years. People are always trying to cheat the system from every angle.

Bureaucracy is like a game of Jenga. The higher you stack it, the less stable it is. Of course socialized medicine is more manageable in Switzerland. You have 4,000,000 educated, “privileged” white people. The US is 370,000,000 yahoos. Good luck.

Incidentally my uncle lives in Switzerland, where his wife is a banker. She was born in Turkey and holds Turkish citizenship, and they plan to retire to Turkey where they will get much more bang for their buck. He said that even tho the Swiss do have a good system for taking care of the elderly etc, it’s simply expensive af to be there, and if you wanna do anything besides sit in a rocker all day, youre better off elsewhere.

So, there are definitely tradeoffs either way. But most importantly, IMO, if you think we can just make America into Switzerland, you need to have a look around at the average American.


And as far as moving to Somalia or Libya...

Why bother? We’re already moving those countries here.

[Nanners]

Yeah and when you're the one paying mega taxes every year then you see all the people abusing the system in commission housing, welfare payments and non stop dr and hospital visits cause it's "free" clogging the system you will change your tune quickly..

I'm all for those people having access to the medical service like the dr, but pay a small fee when they visit seeing as they contribute nothing to the service. It's the same in all counties with Medicare for all..

On top of that you bring in immigrants/ refugees that havnt had medical their whole lives now we foot the bill to get them up to standard.

:oldlol:

Are you aware of the fact that around ~40% of americans are currently using govt subsidized healthcare? Medicaid has ~74m americans enrolled, Medicare has ~60m... and yet for some reason we dont see these people taking nonstop trips to the doctor and hospital and "clogging up the system".

I just want to take these existing programs that cover the poor and elderly, and expand them to cover middle age and middle class americans who are currently getting ****ed the hardest by our system.

[Nanners]

So, there are definitely tradeoffs either way. But most importantly, IMO, if you think we can just make America into Switzerland, you need to have a look around at the average American.


I dont want to make America into Switzerland, like I said earlier the swiss have one of the most expensive healthcare systems in the world after ours.

I want to bring our costs down to something like what the UK, France, Germany, or Japan are paying (less than half of what we pay).

[coin24]

:oldlol:

Are you aware of the fact that around ~40% of americans are currently using govt subsidized healthcare? Medicaid has ~74m americans enrolled, Medicare has ~60m... and yet for some reason we dont see these people taking nonstop trips to the doctor and hospital and "clogging up the system".

I just want to take these existing programs that cover the poor and elderly, and expand them to cover middle age and middle class americans who are currently getting ****ed the hardest by our system.


So for everyone to be covered that costs money. The middle class man who is already doing it tough, you want to tax him more to fund this program?
Because that's who foot the bill every time.

[FourthTenor]

I dont want to make America into Switzerland, like I said earlier the swiss have one of the most expensive healthcare systems in the world after ours.

I want to bring our costs down to something like what the UK, France, Germany, or Japan are paying (less than half of what we pay).


Id certainly be happy to do that in theory... as long as it’s a reasonably equitable system. Not one where we let bums and junkies skate.

Cause contrary to what you may believe, Im not fine with the current system either. I think it’s too expensive as well. But the way I want to address it is to start giving people notice. That it’s time to get off drugs, get a job... Or get the ****in boot.

[Nanners]

Its amazing that the health insurance and big pharma propaganda has so thoroughly fooled people into thinking that a non-profit socialized healthcare system would somehow be more expensive than a socialized healthcare system run by profit-driven corporations. Despite the undeniable fact that US citizens currently pay more than twice as much per capita on healthcare as citizens in countries like the UK, France, Germany and Japan... some americans are still unable to see the truth thats directly in front of their eyes.

coin I like you and I know you arent an idiot, so my final word on this is that I would encourage you to approach our broken healthcare system with the same level of skepticism as you have for the spokespeople of this system (like Fauci and Dr Bill Gates).

[Nanners]

Id certainly be happy to do that in theory... as long as it’s a reasonably equitable system. Not one where we let bums and junkies skate.

Cause contrary to what you may believe, Im not fine with the current system either. I think it’s too expensive as well. But the way I want to address it is to start giving people notice. That it’s time to get off drugs, get a job... Or get the ****in boot.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but bums and junkies already do skate in our system... they are covered by medicaid.

The people who are getting screwed are working class americans who earn too much to qualify for medicaid but dont have a $250k emergency savings fund to help cover the costs of something like a cancer diagnosis.

The only differences between what I am calling for and what we have right now, is that with my system private insurance parasites cease to exist and middle class americans save money.

Anyway, if you really cared about not giving your money to free-loaders as much as you claim to, you would oppose the private insurance industry even more than I do...

[FourthTenor]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but bums and junkies already do skate in our system... they are covered by medicaid.

The people who are getting screwed are working class americans who earn too much to qualify for medicaid but dont have a $250k emergency savings fund to help cover the costs of something like a cancer diagnosis.

The only differences between what I am calling for and what we have right now, is that with my system private insurance parasites cease to exist and middle class americans save money.

Anyway, if you really cared about not giving your money to free-loaders as much as you claim to, you would oppose the private insurance industry even more than I do...

Or I would start by opposing freeloaders themselves and then going from there.

Seems to be the quickest way from A to B.

[Kblaze8855]

The Federalist society is pissed:


A co-founder of the Federalist Society, which famously compiled a list from which President Trump (https://www.foxnews.com/category/person/donald-trump) selected his two Supreme Court nominees, described the president's Thursday tweet (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/opinion/trump-delay-election-coronavirus.html) about "delay[ing] the election (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/2020-presidential-election) until people can properly, securely and safely vote" as grounds for "immediate impeachment."




Northwestern University Law Professor Steven Calabresi wrote in a New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/opinion/trump-delay-election-coronavirus.html) opinion piece published late Thursday that Trump "should be removed unless he relents" the sentiment expressed in the tweet.
https://cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/694940094001/e6316013-9bd1-41fd-8527-786bb534cedc/002520a2-d884-4f5c-939e-f1aa1194ab90/1280x720/match/image.jpgVidCalabresi said he voted for Trump in 2016, and has voted Republican in every presidential election since 1980. He added that he staunchly defended Trump against what he called an "unconstitutional investigation by Robert Mueller" into alleged collusion with Russia and penned another op-ed opposing the president's impeachment earlier this year. (http://video.foxnews.com/v/6176810107001)


"But I am frankly appalled by the president’s recent tweet seeking to postpone the November election," he wrote. "Until recently, I had taken as political hyperbole the Democrats’ assertion that President Trump is a fascist.
STIREWALT ON TRUMP SUGGESTING ELECTION DELAY: 'FLAGRANT EXPRESSION OF WEAKNESS' (https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-delay-election-tweet-stirewalt)
"But this latest tweet is fascistic and is itself grounds for the president’s immediate impeachment again ... and his removal from office by the Senate."
In the tweet, Trump slammed the prospect of mass mail-in voting as a prelude to the "most inaccurate and fraudulent election in history" and a "great embarrassment to the USA."



Calabresi emphasized that the U.S. "has never canceled or delayed a presidential election. Not in 1864, when President Abraham Lincoln was expected to lose and the South looked as if it might defeat the North. Not in 1932 in the depths of the Great Depression. Not in 1944 during World War II."




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The professor went on to say that the date of each election is fixed by an 1845 federal law and noted it is up to each state to determine whether they will implement universal mail-in voting, since "Article II of the Constitution explicitly gives the states total power over the selection of presidential electors."
Meanwhile, Calabresi called on "every Republican in Congress" to inform Trump that postponing the election would be "illegal, unconstitutional, and without precedent in American history.
"Anyone who says otherwise should never be elected to Congress again."

[Kblaze8855]

Even I think they are making too much of it. He knows he cant delay it and the public would react poorly. Hes just getting on record being against mail in voting again.

[ItsMillerTime]

I love how people just assume Trump "knows" he can't get away with this shit. Lol no he doesn't know, that's why he openly remarks about it to gauge opinions. He didn't know that he couldn't withhold military aid to pressure a foreign country into helping his election. He thinks he can do as he pleases, and McConnell and the rest of the corrupt GOP sure aren't doing anything to prevent that.

[RRR3]

Its amazing that the health insurance and big pharma propaganda has so thoroughly fooled people into thinking that a non-profit socialized healthcare system would somehow be more expensive than a socialized healthcare system run by profit-driven corporations. Despite the undeniable fact that US citizens currently pay more than twice as much per capita on healthcare as citizens in countries like the UK, France, Germany and Japan... some americans are still unable to see the truth thats directly in front of their eyes.

coin I like you and I know you arent an idiot, so my final word on this is that I would encourage you to approach our broken healthcare system with the same level of skepticism as you have for the spokespeople of this system (like Fauci and Dr Bill Gates).
Coin is absolutely an idiot, have you read his posts? Most of them are about “weiners” and “diapers”, he spams the same shit over and over :lol

I guarantee you he’ll attack me with one of his canned responses after this.

[Proctor]

Coin is absolutely an idiot, have you read his posts? Most of them are about “weiners” and “diapers”, he spams the same shit over and over :lol

I guarantee you he’ll attack me with one of his canned responses after this.

Poor little transweiner....why are you such a soytitted cuck? Diaper change already loser? :oldlol:

Edit: Sorry, wrong account.

[TheMan]

Even I think they are making too much of it. He knows he cant delay it and the public would react poorly. Hes just getting on record being against mail in voting again.

Regardless of the fact that Trump himself has voted by mail :lol

He's just trying to lay the groundwork to whine about voter fraud when he loses in a few months.

[TheMan]

I love how people just assume Trump "knows" he can't get away with this shit. Lol no he doesn't know, that's why he openly remarks about it to gauge opinions. He didn't know that he couldn't withhold military aid to pressure a foreign country into helping his election. He thinks he can do as he pleases, and McConnell and the rest of the corrupt GOP sure aren't doing anything to prevent that.

Just wait til Starface sees this post, he's gonna tear you a new a-hole.

[ItsMillerTime]

Just wait til Starface sees this post, he's gonna tear you a new a-hole.

He wishes he could get at my a-hole, that sick pervert.

[Facepalm]

The Federalist society is pissed

Fox judge Napolitino is too https://radio.foxnews.com/2020/07/30/portrays-weakness-ignorance-stupidity-no-respect-for-the-rule-of-law-judge-andrew-napolitano-on-trumps-tweet-suggesting-to-delay-election/


Judge Napolitano sounded off on the tweet. Saying,

"This is the exactly wrong message to come from the president of the United States at this stage of the campaign. The election is set, It is set in stone. It has been the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November since 1848. Leading members of his own party, including Senator Mitch McConnell, have said forget about it. But this is a president who likes to portray strength. This portrays weakness, ignorance, stupidity and no respect for the rule of law. I don't know how I could be any harsher in my criticism of that."

:oldlol:

[RRR3]

Poor little transweiner....why are you such a soytitted cuck? Diaper change already loser? :oldlol:

Edit: Sorry, wrong account.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[FourthTenor]

Fox judge Napolitino is too https://radio.foxnews.com/2020/07/30/portrays-weakness-ignorance-stupidity-no-respect-for-the-rule-of-law-judge-andrew-napolitano-on-trumps-tweet-suggesting-to-delay-election/



:oldlol:


This is all fine, but the fact you weren't rushing in here to quote any "authorities" when they had negative opinions about unconstitutional shut downs being pushed by left wing lawmakers, shows that all there is to you is TDS. Nothing more complex than that. No genuine concern for anything, no intellect, no nuance. Just angry, emotional, Orange Man Bad.

That's it.

That's all you have.

If it was some other President, you probably wouldnt even post about it. You have an obsession with Donald Trump.

Which proves the point that guys like you and ItsMillerTime and The"Man" are basically just irrelevant versions of Trump.

Yall reflect everything you claim to hate about Trump.



Sad!

[FourthTenor]

He wishes he could get at my a-hole, that sick pervert.



https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/01/captureno1.png?w=883

[TheMan]

This is all fine, but the fact you weren't rushing in here to quote any "authorities" when they had negative opinions about unconstitutional shut downs being pushed by left wing lawmakers, shows that all there is to you is TDS. Nothing more complex than that. No genuine concern for anything, no intellect, no nuance. Just angry, emotional, Orange Man Bad.

That's it.

That's all you have.

If it was some other President, you probably wouldnt even post about it. You have an obsession with Donald Trump.

Which proves the point that guys like you and ItsMillerTime and The"Man" are basically just irrelevant versions of Trump.

Yall reflect everything you claim to hate about Trump.



Sad!

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[FourthTenor]

TDS

[LAmbruh]

Poor little transweiner....why are you such a soytitted cuck? Diaper change already loser? :oldlol:

Edit: Sorry, wrong account.

:roll:


Cashew 2k controller might need a update soon, he's added a couple new vocabulary words to his arsenal of 5 :applause:

[Facepalm]

This is all fine, but the fact you weren't rushing in here to quote any "authorities" when they had negative opinions about unconstitutional shut downs being pushed by left wing lawmakers, shows that all there is to you is TDS. Nothing more complex than that. No genuine concern for anything, no intellect, no nuance. Just angry, emotional, Orange Man Bad.

That's it.

That's all you have.

If it was some other President, you probably wouldnt even post about it. You have an obsession with Donald Trump.

Which proves the point that guys like you and ItsMillerTime and The"Man" are basically just irrelevant versions of Trump.

Yall reflect everything you claim to hate about Trump.



Sad!
https://media.tenor.com/images/804cd97a6a6376995813659d292a76b5/tenor.gif


Chris Samuels fuming again with another wall of text. TRIGGERED.

[FourthTenor]

https://media.tenor.com/images/804cd97a6a6376995813659d292a76b5/tenor.gif


Chris Samuels fuming again with another wall of text. TRIGGERED.


Funny thing is you had Samuels Derangement Syndrome long before Trump Derangement Syndrome became a thing.


You were doin it before it was cool bro :pimp: :cheers:

[Facepalm]

Funny thing is you had Samuels Derangement Syndrome long before Trump Derangement Syndrome became a thing.


You were doin it before it was cool bro :pimp: :cheers:
Whatcha gonna do now that you lost your extra $600 a week Sammy? I know that's the most you've ever made in your life, gotta be depressing. Back to sniffing women's feet for a living? Sad!

[FourthTenor]

Whatcha gonna do now that you lost your extra $600 a week Sammy? I know that's the most you've ever made in your life, gotta be depressing. Back to sniffing women's feet for a living? Sad!



Oh, I dunno. :confusedshrug:

Might make a few gimmick accounts based on emojis and spam shrill, lispy insults when my c-grade political insights get clowned.



Seems like somethin a grown man could feel pretty good about when he looks in the mirror :rockon:

[coin24]

Coin is absolutely an idiot, have you read his posts? Most of them are about “weiners” and “diapers”, he spams the same shit over and over :lol

I guarantee you he’ll attack me with one of his canned responses after this.


Your controller would be anyone who disagrees with you is "low iq" or a "fascist" and all other controls would be to bend over and agree with anyone else if you think it would make you more popular..

Maybe get a job and move out of your parents house and get some of your own opinions in life.

Don't really need to attack you physically we've all seen the poor quality specimen you are..

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump has no re-election campaign strategy. He has already put a pause on his national TV advertising for August.
His only plan now is to discredit the election process.
This is what you do when you know you have no chance to win.