The media has lied all year pretending the Lakers "might not have enough"

[3ball]

if their goat isn't good enough to win with this era's David Robinson, then he isn't goat or anywhere near

And who cares about year 17 when we all know that lebron has been resting for years and using modern training and biochemistry to stay fit. Heck, he rested a ton last year between the injury and lottery

And year 17 isn't an excuse when he's still playing well - the so-called goat + David Robinson should easily win the ring

Anytime the Lakers lost a game or two, the media would say they need more help ; it's ridiculous lies.. guys like Kuzma and Danny Green are luxuries when you already have the "goat" + DR

This season has shown how far from goat lebron is - he isn't even the consensus favorite with David Robinson

It reminds me when lebron asked for another playmaker in 2017 despite having one of the top PG's in the league - no other team gets extra playmaking but lebron somehow needs it.. ultimately, his ball-dominance is suboptimal, so it requires more help than everyone else needs

[rawimpact]

because jordan

on the wizards

sure went far

[Roundball_Rock]

You are still dodging this. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?482288-Pippen-s-Scoring-Compared-to-Opposing-Sidekicks-in-Title-Runs-(Each-Series)

[3ball]

because jordan on the wizards sure went far

Jordan was 39 and 40 and clearly wasn't his normal self

Lebron is only 35 and is still playing at s high level just like 35-year MJ in 1998

[rawimpact]

Jordan was 39 and 40 and clearly wasn't his normal self

Lebron is only 35 and is still playing at s high level just like 35-year MJ in 1998

How many vacations did MJ have? Because even at 35 lebron's body has been through three more seasons worth of games

[3ball]

You are still dodging this. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?482288-Pippen-s-Scoring-Compared-to-Opposing-Sidekicks-in-Title-Runs-(Each-Series)

Those stats mean nothing without ORtg and TS

16 on 38% and 100 ORtg doesn't compare to 15 on 50% and 115 ORtg

And Pippen never won FMVP or averaged 25-30 like every other 2nd option in history that won 2+ rings.. only MJ won all his rings with a true 2nd option (no FMVP or 25-30 ppg)

[3ball]

How many vacations did MJ have? Because even at 35 lebron's body has been through three more seasons worth of games

It's the same because lebron rests during the season and takes the regular season off - he won 50-something games every year with Kyrie and he also took the Eastern Conference Playoffs off

Then he has modern training and load management

[Roundball_Rock]

And Pippen never won FMVP or averaged 25-30 like every other 2nd option in history they won 2+ rings

Another lie. :lol A quick example is Gasol.

Pippen went 21/9/8, 21/8/8, 21/9/7 in half his finals. :bowdown:

[rawimpact]

It's the same because lebron rests during the season and takes the regular season off - he won 50-something games every year with Kyrie and he also took the Eastern Conference Playoffs off

False, lebron over his career has played more minutes per game on average, more games per season on average - and I didnt count the multiple seasons MJ took off.

I'm giving you factual numbers while you're providing me an opinion piece. Provide me an individual statistic that shows lebron rested. Because I proved to you minutes played, games played both are higher career wise and lebrons played over three seasons more than MJ and is having a MVP candidate-year.

[3ball]

Another lie. :lol A quick example is Gasol.

Pippen went 21/9/8, 21/8/8, 21/9/7 in half his finals. :bowdown:

Only Jordan or his clone could win that way (MJ/Kobe)

SPippen and Gasol are the only 2nd options with 2+ rings in 3-pointer basketball (since 1980) that never got FMVP or 25-30 ppg, aka "true" 2nd options - only MJ/Kobe could win with true 2nd options.. everyone else needed their sidekick to get FMVP or 25-30 (1st option level sidekicks)

[RRR3]

You’re so mad LeBron hit the game winner last night :yaohappy:

[3ball]

False, lebron over his career has played more minutes per game on average, more games per season on average - and I didnt count the multiple seasons MJ took off.

I'm giving you factual numbers while you're providing me an opinion piece. Provide me an individual statistic that shows lebron rested. Because I proved to you minutes played, games played both are higher career wise and lebrons played over three seasons more than MJ and is having a MVP candidate-year.

Lebron wasn't all-defender for many years, so he isn't playing hard in the regular season.. he takes the regular season off, whereas MJ led the NBA in scoring with 1st team defense... No comparison

So MJ's road was much harder because he went all-out - aka he won about 70 games every year (not 50 like lebron) with scoring title and 1st team defense.. otoh, lebron goes 50% with no defense or scoring or winning

Again, no comparison

[3ball]

You’re so mad LeBron hit the game winner last night :yaohappy:

He hit a game winner?

I didn't know that

I'm not following this at all

I just rail against it because today's players are weak - they're unskilled shot makers and pure scorers because they're not really playing basketball - they're running a drill that yields open shots, layups/threes

[Shogon]

The Clippers are a better team than the Lakers no matter how you slice it.

If you just take LeBron off of the Lakers and Kawhi off of the Clippers, the Clippers are still better.
If you just take AD off of the Lakers and PG off of the Clippers, the Clippers are still better.
If you just look at their depth and benches, the Clippers are still better.

The ONLY thing the Lakers have going on the Clippers is size. If the Clippers don't win in a series against the Lakers it'll be because one or two Clippers choked their brains out, someone got hurt, or either AD or LeBron absolutely went off.

The Clippers have been vacationing all year long... they haven't taken the regular season seriously one bit... hell, they still aren't... clearly. Don't let the regular season records fool you. The Clippers are the clear favorite, especially considering the Lakers best perimeter defender is out for the rest of the season.

I don't expect the Lakers to beat the Clippers in a series. The Lakers are not the favorites. I repeat, the Lakers are NOT the favorites. Anyone that can't see that or won't admit it is being highly disingenuous. If the Lakers somehow do win, that's an upset... they weren't supposed to win.

The Clippers are the clear favorites to win it all. They are the best team in the NBA because they have two very solid stars and they have the overall deepest team in basketball.

All you need to know that the Clippers are a better team is really one thing... if LeBron or AD goes down, look at the rest of the Lakers roster... it's a joke. lol. If PG or Kawhi goes down, the Clippers still have a formidable team.

The Lakers are literally made up of throwaway players from top to bottom except LeBron, AD & Danny Green, lol.

The two rosters aren't remotely comparable. People just hype the Lakers supporting cast up because... it's the Lakers.

This is obvious to anyone who knows basketball.

[SouBeachTalents]

Another lie. :lol A quick example is Gasol.

Pippen went 21/9/8, 21/8/8, 21/9/7 in half his finals. :bowdown:
Hakeem's 2nd option never did either

[rawimpact]

Lebron wasn't all-defender for many years, so he isn't playing hard in the regular season.. he takes the regular season off, whereas MJ led the NBA in scoring with 1st team defense... No comparison

So MJ's road was much harder because he went all-out by winning about 70 games every year (not 50 like lebron) with scoring title and 1st team defense.. otoh, lebron goes 50% with no defense or scoring or winning

Again, no comparison

Since when is winning directly related to individual effort?

So an all-defense award is enough to categorize someone's playing hard?

Lets compare lebron at 35 to MJ at 35. So lebron is currently a 2nd favorite if not 1 for MVP. What was MJ's MVP outlook at age 35? Or wait, what was his statistics at age 35?

[RRR3]

He hit a game winner?

I didn't know that

I'm not following this at all

I just rail against it because today's players are weak - they're unskilled shot makers and pure scorers because they're not really playing basketball - they're running a drill that yields open shots, layups/threes
He sure did. How mad does that make you?

[3ball]

Since when is winning directly related to individual effort?

So an all-defender award is enough to categorize someone's playing hard? LOL okay... you must value your attendance awards.

Lets compare lebron at 35 to MJ at 35. So lebron is currently a 2nd favorite if not 1 for MVP. What was MJ's MVP outlook at age 35? Or wait, what was his statistics at age 35?

Lol lebron isn't an MVP candidate

The media just says he is

Meanwhile, AD leads the team in everything, aka scoring and defense

Again, it's a LIE.. that's the whole point of this thread - the media is lying about lebron.. he isn't MVP-caliber - but this is WWE shit, so lebron is being floated for MVP undeservedly

[Shogon]

Also... Anthony Davis might want to truly explore his options of signing elsewhere this summer. The Lakers are in salary cap hell for 2021. The team they have now is the team they're going to have next year.

[3ball]

Since when is winning directly related to individual effort?

So an all-defense award is enough to categorize someone's playing hard?

Lets compare lebron at 35 to MJ at 35. So lebron is currently a 2nd favorite if not 1 for MVP. What was MJ's MVP outlook at age 35? Or wait, what was his statistics at age 35?

MJ won MVP at 35 dumbass

He won MVP, FMVP, all-star MVP, scoring title, title and 1st team all-defense

(no one ever did HALF of that in a single season, let alone all of it.. MJ did that in 96' too)

[rawimpact]

Lol lebron isn't an MVP candidate

The media just says he is

Meanwhile, AD leads the team in everything, aka scoring and defense

Again, it's a LIE.. that's the whole point of this thread - the media is lying about lebron.. he isn't MVP-caliber - but this is WWE shit, so lebron is being floated for MVP undeservedly

You realize since the 80s sportswriters and broadcasters have voted for MVP right?

[ImKobe]

Lol lebron isn't an MVP candidate

The media just says he is

Meanwhile, AD leads the team in everything, aka scoring and defense

Again, it's a LIE.. that's the whole point of this thread - the media is lying about lebron.. he isn't MVP-caliber - but this is WWE shit, so lebron is being floated for MVP undeservedly

Only reason why the media is doing this is because Giannis is not an American.. they're almost treating him like Kobe in the mid-2000s. Mad disrespectful.

[Roundball_Rock]

SPippen and Gasol are the only 2nd options with 2+ rings in 3-pointer basketball (since 1980) that never got FMVP or 25-30 ppg

That is a narrow list. There are only 7-8 teams that fit that--but even then you can easily disprove. The Rockets won rings with Drexler scoring 21 in 95' and Thorpe 9 in 94' (Maxwell was second in scoring at 13). It isn't hard to disprove even your narrow, cherry picked definition (he uses FMVP to cover Parker, for example).

Wade was 23 in 12' (Westbrook 27 on the other side), 20 in 13' (Parker 16 on the other side).

How many players won rings without a player capable of getting close to a triple double on his team multiple times? You cherry pick scoring. 21/9/8 with elite defense>25/4/3 or 21/3/3.


I just rail against it because today's players are weak - they're unskilled shot makers and pure scorers because they're not really playing basketball - they're running a drill that yields open shots, layups/threes

The hypocrisy. In his last post he uses 25 PPG as a threshold knowing scoring is easier today.

[3ball]

You realize since the 80s sportswriters and broadcasters have voted for MVP right?

They never had an agenda like they do now with lebron

Btw MJ was MVP at 35... He won MVP, FMVP, all-star MVP, scoring title, title and 1st team all-defense

(no one ever did HALF of that in a single season, let alone all of it.. MJ did that in 96' too)

[3ball]

Only reason why the media is doing this is because Giannis is not an American.. they're almost treating him like Kobe in the mid-2000s. Mad disrespectful.

Wow I never considered that angle but of course you're spot on

[rawimpact]

MJ won MVP at 35 dumbass

He won MVP, FMVP, all-star MVP, scoring title, title and 1st team all-defense

(no one ever did HALF of that in a single season, let alone all of it.. MJ did that in 96' too)

LOL so the 30 or whatever games he played from the previous season is what you're counting as her performance for age 35?

[3ball]

LOL so the 30 or whatever games he played from the previous season is what you're counting as her performance for age 35?
MJ turned 35 in early February 1998.. so he won all those awards at 35

[ImKobe]

That is a narrow list. There are only 7-8 teams that fit that--but even then you can easily disprove. The Rockets won rings with Drexler scoring 21 in 95' and Thorpe 9 in 94' (Maxwell was second in scoring at 13). It isn't hard to disprove even your narrow, cherry picked definition (he uses FMVP to cover Parker, for example).

Wade was 23 in 12' (Westbrook 27 on the other side), 20 in 13' (Parker 16 on the other side).

How many players won rings without a player capable of getting close to a triple double on his team multiple times? You cherry pick scoring. 21/9/8 with elite defense>25/4/3 or 21/3/3.



The hypocrisy. In his last post he uses 25 PPG as a threshold knowing scoring is easier today.

Drexler only has 1 ring
Wade won FMVP in '06 and Lebron cost him another FMVP in 2011

[Wally450]

He hit a game winner?

I didn't know that

I'm not following this at all

I just rail against it because today's players are weak - they're unskilled shot makers and pure scorers because they're not really playing basketball - they're running a drill that yields open shots, layups/threes

Bullshit. You were glued to your TV hoping he'd fail.

[rawimpact]

MJ turned 35 in early February 1998.. so he won all those awards at 35

He turned 35 in mid-february, in fact, there were more days in february BEFORE his birthday than after, so stop playing stupid.

80% of the season was played when he was 34 but you count it has his 35y/o performance because he turned 35 two months before the season ended? LOL... look up any statistical site and they'll creidt his MVP season to age 34 because he played the majority of games at that age.

[Roundball_Rock]

LOL so the 30 or whatever games he played from the previous season is what you're counting as her performance for age 35?

Them at 35 isn't an apples to apples comparison. MJ took about 160 games off in between. Look at the benefit LeBron got from missing the playoffs once and getting the summer off. Imagine if LeBron took 160 games in a row off.


They never had an agenda like they do now with lebron


A MJ stan complaining about media agendas? No player has been loved more by the media than MJ. Just look at those NBA on NBC intros out there on YT. MJ is presented as a comic book hero. :oldlol: Or the entire sports media drooling over MJ this spring with nary a critique.


Only reason why the media is doing this is because Giannis is not an American

The same media that voted him MVP last year and will vote him MVP this year is out to get Giannis? :confusedshrug:

[Shogon]

Lol lebron isn't an MVP candidate

The media just says he is

Meanwhile, AD leads the team in everything, aka scoring and defense

Again, it's a LIE.. that's the whole point of this thread - the media is lying about lebron.. he isn't MVP-caliber - but this is WWE shit, so lebron is being floated for MVP undeservedly

The whole point of this thread is a lie.

The Lakers aren't the best team in basketball, with or without LeBron.

The Clippers are.

[ImKobe]

The same media that voted him MVP last year and will vote him MVP this year is out to get Giannis? :confusedshrug:

He was undeniable last year, but the media is trying to make it a race this year with Lebron back in the Playoff picture, it's just disgusting.

[3ball]

Wade was 23 in 12' (Westbrook 27 on the other side), 20 in 13' (Parker 16 on the other side).

How many players won rings without a player capable of getting close to a triple double on his team multiple times? You cherry pick scoring. 21/9/8 with elite defense>25/4/3 or 21/3/3.

The hypocrisy. In his last post he uses 25 PPG as a threshold knowing scoring is easier today.




Pippen produced the least per possession of anyone with his possession usage.. (ORtg.. which includes assists)

So if Pippen used 25% of possessions, he produced less on those possessions than anyone else that used a similar amount of possessions

Again, Pippen produced the LEAST of anyone with his possession usage.. in short, he sucked

[3ball]

The whole point of this thread is a lie.

The Lakers aren't the best team in basketball, with or without LeBron.

The Clippers are.

I've heard the media say that the Lakers without Lebron are the Pelicans - but the Pelicans nearly won 50 games in 2018, and won a game off the Warriors, while Lebron/Love lost by record amount.

[Roundball_Rock]

He was undeniable last year, but the media is trying to make it a race this year with Lebron back in the Playoff picture, it's just disgusting.

Last year it was Giannis vs. Harden. This year it is Giannis vs. LeBron. In almost every season it comes down to 2 or 3 candidates, even if the final vote isn't close. It's rare to have a clear cut MVP like MJ in 96'.

Giannis beat Harden 78-23 in first place votes (no other player got a first place vote). I expect a similar outcome this year with Giannis and LeBron.

Let's get to the real beef: that LeBron in year 17 is a MVP candidate (not actual fear that he will win the award). He was 2nd in MVP in 06' and will be 2nd again in 20'. Only Kareem rivals this length of time at that type of level.


I've heard the media say that the Lakers without Lebron are the Pelicans - but the Pelicans nearly won 50 games in 2018

They sucked in 19' and 20'. The Lakers suck with LeBron off the court. If he got hurt, they wouldn't contend. Without Davis they are 6-3. That's the difference in value.


Pippen produced the least per possession of anyone with his possession usage

:facepalm

[Shogon]

I've heard the media say that the Lakers without Lebron are the Pelicans - but the Pelicans nearly won 50 games in 2018, and won a game off the Warriors, while Lebron/Love lost by record amount.

Teams and team dynamics aren't all equal.

It wasn't LeBron & Love vs the Warriors just like it wasn't AD vs the Warriors.

That's stupid.

Shut up. Now!

[NBAGOAT]

I've heard the media say that the Lakers without Lebron are the Pelicans - but the Pelicans nearly won 50 games in 2018, and won a game off the Warriors, while Lebron/Love lost by record amount.

they mean like earlier years of the pelicans as 2018 is not a great comparison. Cousins played 48 games in 2018, they traded for mirotic to replace him. Holiday makes up for the lakers advantage in depth.

Yes many years lebron and ad should be enough. the clippers are just loaded however and well built too. I dont believe in the narrative that the lakers dont have enough but the clips are certainly more talented. GS will come back with Curry/Klay/Dray/Wiggins next year and few are picking them as a top 3 seed, they actually dont have enough. The contenders are quite talented right now and you would know if you watched

[LAmbruh]

Last year it was Giannis vs. Harden. This year it is Giannis vs. LeBron. In almost every season it comes down to 2 or 3 candidates, even if the final vote isn't close. It's rare to have a clear cut MVP like MJ in 96'.

Giannis beat Harden 78-23 in first place votes (no other player got a first place vote). I expect a similar outcome this year with Giannis and LeBron.

Let's get to the real beef: that LeBron in year 17 is a MVP candidate (not actual fear that he will win the award). He was 2nd in MVP in 06' and will be 2nd again in 20'. Only Kareem rivals this length of time at that type of level.



They sucked in 19' and 20'. The Lakers suck with LeBron off the court. If he got hurt, they wouldn't contend. Without Davis they are 6-3. That's the difference in value.



:facepalm

ouch :applause:

[StrongLurk]

The Clippers are clearly more stacked than the Lakers.

Clips didn't have Lou and Harrell last night who average 35ppg combined.

OP probably doesn't even know who is on the Clippers besides Kawhi/PG.

[AirBonner]

The Clippers are clearly more stacked than the Lakers.

Clips didn't have Lou and Harrell last night who average 35ppg combined.

OP probably doesn't even know who is on the Clippers besides Kawhi/PG.

Bingo. Clippers basically have two Pippen s coming off the bench

[Roundball_Rock]

The Clippers have two players scoring 19 PPG each on the bench--either would be the second option on the Jazz MJ faced twice in the finals. :lol

Since 2ball likes "per 100" so much:

Harrell 20' per 100: 32/12/3
Ewing 93' per 100: 33/17/3

Ewing was the 1st option, Harrell 4th.

[LAmbruh]

https://i.postimg.cc/9XPTxs9s/74ee9ec0c2086b41a2fbc29c7cc6942f.png (https://postimages.org/)

[StrongLurk]

The Clippers have two players scoring 19 PPG each on the bench--either would be the second option on the Jazz MJ faced twice in the finals. :lol

Since 2ball likes "per 100" so much:

Harrell 20' per 100: 32/12/3
Ewing 93' per 100: 33/17/3

Ewing was the 1st option, Harrell 4th.

Ouch.

But again, OP has no idea who Harrell is.

[3ball]

Ouch.

But again, OP has no idea who Harrell is.

Harrell and Lou are role players that compare to green and kuzma

[SouBeachTalents]

Harrell and Lou are role players that compare to green and kuzma
:oldlol:

[RRR3]

Harrell and Lou are role players that compare to green and kuzma
Stop posting.

[3ball]

Last year it was Giannis vs. Harden. This year it is Giannis vs. LeBron. In almost every season it comes down to 2 or 3 candidates, even if the final vote isn't close. It's rare to have a clear cut MVP like MJ in 96'.

Giannis beat Harden 78-23 in first place votes (no other player got a first place vote). I expect a similar outcome this year with Giannis and LeBron.

Let's get to the real beef: that LeBron in year 17 is a MVP candidate (not actual fear that he will win the award). He was 2nd in MVP in 06' and will be 2nd again in 20'. Only Kareem rivals this length of time at that type of level.



They sucked in 19' and 20'. The Lakers suck with LeBron off the court. If he got hurt, they wouldn't contend. Without Davis they are 6-3. That's the difference in value.



:facepalm

Why wasn't Harden a bigger MVP candidate than lebron this year - harden beats lebron in PER, BPM, VORP and WS/48

[HBK_Kliq_2]

LeBron put up 16 points on 31% FG last night vs clippers. OP you would eat Pippen alive if he did that. LeBron was also scared to ever go at Kawhi when he guards him, he just plays like early 2000s Jason Kidd pretty much.

Clippers also lost 2 points despite missing out on their 3rd best player Harrell. I don't see LeBron winning with the way he plays vs Clippers. Anthony Davis would have to win it and he's not good enough.

[3ball]

Btw, I think in terms of playoff peak - that's the best determinant of how good a player is - and Ewing led teams to the Finals - harretis a role player by comparison

[RRR3]

LeBron put up 16 points on 31% FG last night vs clippers. OP you would eat Pippen alive if he did that. LeBron was also scared to ever go at Kawhi when he guards him, he just plays like early 2000s Jason Kidd pretty much.

Clippers also lost 2 points despite missing out on their 3rd best player Harrell. I don't see LeBron winning with the way he plays vs Clippers. Anthony Davis would have to win it and he's not good enough.
How mad were you when LeBron locked down your hero in the clutch? :yaohappy:

[scuzzy]

Brandon Ingraham

[3ball]

LeBron put up 16 points on 31% FG last night vs clippers. OP you would eat Pippen alive if he did that. LeBron was also scared to ever go at Kawhi when he guards him, he just plays like early 2000s Jason Kidd pretty much.

Clippers also lost 2 points despite missing out on their 3rd best player Harrell. I don't see LeBron winning with the way he plays vs Clippers. Anthony Davis would have to win it and he's not good enough.

I was unaware there was a game last night until RR3 told me

And I wouldn't eat Pippen alive for 16 ppg because that was his average. He always left MJ all alone

[3ball]

Brandon Ingraham

Everyone thought Kuzma was better

And he actually might be, but needs to get away from lebron-ball asap like Ingram did

[HBK_Kliq_2]

How mad were you when LeBron locked down your hero in the clutch? :yaohappy:

at least Kawhi still put up numbers. Kawhi turned LeBron into Ben Simmons last night. 16 on 31% FG hahahha

Kawhi is on 68% TS vs Lakers in 4 games
LeBron is on 47% TS vs Clippers in 4 games

Once playoffs comes and Kawhi is trying his hardest, he's going to leave Lakers in his dust.

[Roundball_Rock]

Harrell and Lou are role players that compare to green and kuzma

How would you know? By your own admission, you haven't watched a game since 2011. Those of us who have watched know your statement is ridiculous.


Why wasn't Harden a bigger MVP candidate than lebron this year

Hard to win MVP in 6th place. Harden was right in the mix early in the year before his team faded.


I think in terms of playoff peak - that's the best determinant of how good a player is - and Ewing led teams to the Finals - harretis a role player by comparison

Your metric is per 100. Ewing "led" one team to the finals (99' was without him).

Harrell 19' playoffs per 100: 33/10/4
Ewing 94' playoffs per 100: 29/16/4

By your metric, the Clippers' 4th option is comparable to prime Ewing. Per 100 is a joke (that's the point)--even you won't stand by it when you don't need to rely on it to inflate low minutes players.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I was unaware there was a game last night until RR3 told me

And I wouldn't eat Pippen alive for 16 ppg because that was his average. He always left MJ all alone

To recap the game: Anthony Davis does all the scoring on clippers soft big men. LeBron refuses to even attempt to score when Kawhi guards him and LeBron has a 46% TS average in 4 games vs clippers this year. Yesterday was LeBron's biggest stinker at 16 on 31% FG. I wouldn't worry about LeBron this year, unless he dodges Kawhi somehow.

[Roundball_Rock]

The Clippers have two elite wing defenders that rival Pippen/Jordan as a duo to slow LeBron down but the question is Davis. How do they stop Davis? If the Lakers beat the Clippers it will be due to Davis going off like he did last night.

BTW 3ball, notice LeBron stans aren't out in force dissing Davis each day? #security

[SouBeachTalents]

To recap the game: Anthony Davis does all the scoring on clippers soft big men. LeBron refuses to even attempt to score when Kawhi guards him and LeBron has a 46% TS average in 4 games vs clippers this year. Yesterday was LeBron's biggest stinker at 16 on 31% FG. I wouldn't worry about LeBron this year, unless he dodges Kawhi somehow.
You omitted him hitting the GW, and locking down Kawhi throughout crunch time

[HBK_Kliq_2]

How mad were you when LeBron locked down your hero in the clutch? :yaohappy:

LeBron got locked down in the clutch as well. Final play he threw up a brick and just got lucky the offensive rebound went right back to him.

Won by 2 points and clippers were missing 38PPG from Lou/Harrell hahahah

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

3ball and the other weirdass Canadians here are in for a LONG 2 months.

Two LA teams running shop. Bron possibly winning his 4th and adding to his resume. All that yet they swore there would be no season. Damn. The restart is what nightmares are made of :oldlol:

[tpols]

You omitted him hitting the GW, and locking down Kawhi throughout crunch time

there would be no need for that clunky gamewinner had he just scored one more bucket more than the 14 paltry points he had.

You guys are in for a rude awakening in a playoff series, better hope the rockets or nugs can knock clippers out in a fluke.

[3ball]

How would you know? By your own admission, you haven't watched a game since 2011. Those of us who have watched know your statement is ridiculous.




If Love and Bosh can't be good next to Lebron, how would Harrell?

many guys were supposed to be stars and Kuzma is one of them.. people also had high hopes for teammates like Jamison, Hughes, Ingram, Love, Bosh, Hood, Rose - these guys were all weak players next to lebron.. Harrell would be too





Hard to win MVP in 6th place. Harden was right in the mix early in the year before his team faded.



Lebron's teammate (AD) is a DPOY candidate, so how is lebron more valuable than Giannis, who is also a DPOY candidate?

Lol clutch sports has pulled a fast one on everyone





Your metric is per 100. Ewing "led" one team to the finals (99' was without him).

Harrell 19' playoffs per 100: 33/10/4
Ewing 94' playoffs per 100: 29/16/4

By your metric, the Clippers' 4th option is comparable to prime Ewing. Per 100 is a joke (that's the point)--even you won't stand by it when you don't need to rely on it to inflate low minutes players.
You're comparing Harrell's peak to Ewing's career average - so Harrell doesn't compare to Ewing

[Roundball_Rock]

there would be no need for that clunky gamewinner had he just scored one more bucket more than the 14 paltry points he had.

No "too tough" defense excuse here since you aren't defending the choking of a favorite in this case? :lol The Clippers literally have the best wing defenders who happen to both be SF's, including a GOAT-level defender in Kawhi. Do you have a single actual belief?


Lebron's teammate (AD) is a DPOY candidate, so how is lebron more valuable than Giannis

It revolves around a thing called passing the ball, which you and your ilk don't grasp is an important part of offense and basketball. Their offense can't function without LeBron's elite playmaking and facilitating greasing the wheels.


You're comparing Harrell's peak to Ewing's career average

You missed the point. The two players aren't even in the same ballpark in the real world but "per 100" is such a dumb stat they can look comparable.

As to their actual career averages, they are:

Harell per 100: 29/11/3
Ewing per 100: 31/15/3

Still the same similarity, outside of rebounding, and Ewing was 7'0" versus Harrell's 6'7" so no surprise there.

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another thread Roundball is finessing Tpols with an arm behind his back :oldlol: :applause:

[RRR3]

another thread Roundball is finessing Tpols with an arm behind his back :oldlol: :applause:
Poor Tpols. Thought he was gonna get to make a bunch of troll threads about LeBron sucking against Kawhi. Nope! Another LeBron game winner has the li’l guy all riled up, typing through the tears.



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[RRR3]

LeBron got locked down in the clutch as well. Final play he threw up a brick and just got lucky the offensive rebound went right back to him.

Won by 2 points and clippers were missing 38PPG from Lou/Harrell hahahah
LeBron came through when it mattered. Kawhi shit his pants in the clutch when he saw old man LeBron picking him up. Straight diarrhea in his drawers :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

I like how the agenda constantly shifts thread to thread, hour to hour. :lol

Just hours earlier PG>Pippen. That would imply PG is somewhere in the Rick Barry/Dr. J range of SF's. So LeBron is up against Kawhi, this era's version of MJ and Kobe (not as good overall but the past legends he most resembles) and a Dr. J/Rick Barry caliber player and yet in this thread the question somehow is why the Lakers didn't win by more, not how "Kobe and Dr. J" lost.

Or 3ball. Anthony Davis=David Robinson. A lot of people thought Robinson was the best player in 94' and 95'; Anthony Davis is a second option in 20'. That implies the league is more stacked today. He didn't think of it because he had another agenda but that is the implication.

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Iike how the agenda constantly shifts thread to thread, hour to hour. :lol

Just hours earlier PG>Pippen. That would imply PG is somewhere in the Rick Barry/Dr. J range of SF's.



No it wouuldn't, because Pippen is nowhere near Dr. J, Rick Barry, or anyone of that caliber.. they were MVP's of the league, while Pippen was never the best player in a single series.

Obviously, PG is somewhere in between the massive chasm that is Pippen --- Dr J and Barry

21/7 was pippen's BEST.. that's the peak of your typical 1-2 time all-star, and nothing compared to elite 1st options

Only MJ and Kobe won 2+ rings without a FMVP or 25-30 ppg sidekick, aka "true 2nd option"..

So only MJ/Kobe won multiple rings in 3-pointer basketball with true 2nd options.. everyone else (Magic, Bird, Dr. J, Isiah, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, KD) needed their sidekick to occasionally get FMVP or 25-30 ppg





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Or 3ball. Anthony Davis=David Robinson. A lot of people thought Robinson was the best player in 94' and 95'; Anthony Davis is a second option in 20'. That implies the league is more stacked today. He didn't think of it because he had another agenda but that is the implication.


You've made my point.. Just imagine how deadly Robinson would be if had a pressure-less role as SECOND option next to a better player (like MJ).. Robinson's struggles as 1st option highlight Lebron's advantage of having AD at 2nd option

But don't be surprised - lebron has ALWAYS had an elite 1st option to serve as 2nd option.. a rare advantage that MJ didn't have

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Poor Tpols. Thought he was gonna get to make a bunch of troll threads about LeBron sucking against Kawhi. Nope! Another LeBron game winner has the li’l guy all riled up, typing through the tears.



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[Roundball_Rock]

How is a guy who by his own admission hasn't watched a game since 2011 able to assess how strong teams in 2020 are? :confusedshrug:


Just imagine how deadly Robinson would be if had a pressure-less role as SECOND option next to a better player (like MJ).

"Pressure-less." He would have more pressure, just like Davis does now. No one cared about the Spurs before Duncan got there, no one cares about the Pelicans. If Robinson is on the Bulls and they lose, the blame would go to Robinson since MJ never got blame and being in the third largest market is a bigger profile than being in a small market even if no MJ--MJ just adds to the pressure. In Davis' case, in New Orleans putting up big numbers while losing was fine but there are "title or bust" expectations in LA. They didn't trade several young assets for the long term--they did it to win now with an aging LeBron and he is in the second largest market.

Playing with MJ or LeBron increases pressure since the spotlight is huge, especially in an already large market, and since the blame for losing will be ascribed to their teammates.


Pippen is nowhere near Dr. J, Rick Barry, or anyone of that caliber.. they were MVP's of the league,

Pippen is in the SF tier behind them with Havlicek. If PG>>Pippen, logically that places him in that next tier.

You just damned MJ's era again in your post. A 1-2x all-star type (e.g., Iggy) was a MVP candidate--in fact right behind Robinson himself--in the 90's. By your own logic, the 90's were a weak era so why are we to take MJ's rangz seriously since his own stans imply the era sucked?

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Only Jordan or his clone could win that way (MJ/Kobe)

SPippen and Gasol are the only 2nd options with 2+ rings in 3-pointer basketball (since 1980) that never got FMVP or 25-30 ppg, aka "true" 2nd options - only MJ/Kobe could win with true 2nd options.. everyone else needed their sidekick to get FMVP or 25-30 (1st option level sidekicks)

DID either of these two ever face a team with a second option as good as their second option.. LOL.. NO

[ImKobe]

I like how the agenda constantly shifts thread to thread, hour to hour. :lol

Just hours earlier PG>Pippen. That would imply PG is somewhere in the Rick Barry/Dr. J range of SF's. So LeBron is up against Kawhi, this era's version of MJ and Kobe (not as good overall but the past legends he most resembles) and a Dr. J/Rick Barry caliber player and yet in this thread the question somehow is why the Lakers didn't win by more, not how "Kobe and Dr. J" lost.

Or 3ball. Anthony Davis=David Robinson. A lot of people thought Robinson was the best player in 94' and 95'; Anthony Davis is a second option in 20'. That implies the league is more stacked today. He didn't think of it because he had another agenda but that is the implication.

Pippen is nowhere near Paul George on the offensive end, just accept it. Clippers had PG & Kawhi both playing together in like a dozen games all season & this was their first RS game in 5 months with their two 6MOY candidates missing.. please.

[Roundball_Rock]

DID either of these two ever face a team with a second option as good as their second option.. LOL.. NO

Nope :lol . Not only that, Kobe's teams consistently did the same with or without him throughout his prime. Jordan? Replace MJ with a scrub and they still win 55 games. Yet MJ and Kobe are being portrayed as winning with little/no help? :roll:


Clippers had PG & Kawhi both playing together in like a dozen games all season

A pathetic excuse. Kawhi takes a game off a week--that is a feature not a bug.

They have played together 30-35 times (out of 63)--another falsehood from you.https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2020_start.html

I notice the LeBron stans don't need lie after lie like you all do.