Seattle City Council move to abolish police department with new bill

[KennyPowers]

https://nypost.com/2020/07/31/seattle-city-council-move-to-abolish-police-department-with-new-bill/

[KennyPowers]

Time to force Washington to secede and build a wall around them. They can be their own country of Chaz. No longer able to cross the boarder into the U.S.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Amazing. A major US city is basically committing financial suicide.

Have fun with that Seattle. Good Luck.

[Long Duck Dong]

More power to them. All the crazies and criminals are going to flock there. Seattle will become a city of the haves and have nots until the haves either revolt and create a draconian law enforcement organization or flee the city. Either way, the working class and middle class will not, and cannot deal with that nonsense

[Doomsday Dallas]

Arguing that the Seattle Police Department “perpetuates racism and violence” and upholds “white supremacy culture,” the Seattle City Council moved to redirect cash to a non-profit, civilian-led “Department of Community Safety & Violence Prevention” — and offered a “blueprint” on how to defund the police, according to the resolution.

Under the bill, cops would be replaced by “community-led activities” and organizations focused on “housing, food security, and other basic needs” along with “culturally-relevant expertise rooted in community connections,” according to documents posted by Christopher Rufo, Director of Discovery Institute’s Center on Wealth & Poverty.

To gain police department funding, groups must show they are “well-versed in de-escalation skills” along with “trauma-informed, gender-affirming, anti-racist praxis” and are “committed to hiring staff from the communities they serve,” according to the proposal.

The legislation cites protests over the police “murder” of George Floyd, which forced the Seattle to examine its own history of police brutality.

“These protests forced many nationwide and in Seattle to confront the racism that has been plaguing the black community… And the SPD’s role in perpetuating racism and violence.”

It wasn’t immediately clear when the bill would go to vote—but the majority of city council members said earlier this month that they agree with a plan to defund the city’s police department.

This country never ceases to amaze me.

[Kblaze8855]

And the city council does what about elected sheriffs and their deputies, the state troopers, several county departments, and local branches of federal law enforcement?

The DEA will still be chasing drug dealers, the fbi, and coast guard and so on are still there.

Try going to Seattle after this and see if “defunding the police” means there is no law enforcement. Go rob a bank and see how many kinds of law enforcement are on your ass. Try to float some coke in on a speedboat. Think nobody shows up when you start shooting.

This shit would not have the on the ground impact some of you seem to think. I don’t even know who 911 really goes to. There are way more kinds of “cops” than we really think about. The overall problems cops deal with could be reduced by addressing issues other ways. Not all of them obviously. Someone has to show up where there is domestic violence. And I’d imagine that would be the sheriffs department and county departments if Seattle defunded it’s city police for other programs.

Would suck putting the added responsibility on them and I’d imagine they attempt some lame local hands off policing. The world will keep spinning.

I just wonder how many of the other kinds of local law just quit in protest.

[Shogon]

And the city council does what about elected sheriffs and their deputies, the state troopers, several county departments, and local branches of federal law enforcement?

The DEA will still be chasing drug dealers, the fbi, and coast guard and so on are still there.

Try going to Seattle after this and see if “defunding the police” means there is no law enforcement. Go rob a bank and see how many kinds of law enforcement are on your ass. Try to float some coke in on a speedboat. Think nobody shows up when you start shooting.

This shit would not have the on the ground impact some of you seem to think. I don’t even know who 911 really goes to. There are way more kinds of “cops” than we really think about. The overall problems cops deal with could be reduced by addressing issues other ways. Not all of them obviously. Someone has to show up where there is domestic violence. And I’d imagine that would be the sheriffs department and county departments if Seattle defunded it’s city police for other programs.

Would suck putting the added responsibility on them and I’d imagine they attempt some lame local hands off policing. The world will keep spinning.

I just wonder how many of the other kinds of local law just quit in protest.

We’ve talked about and agreed there’s too much overlap but you’re straight up crazy if you believe for one second that with their plan of ABOLISHING the local police force... they won’t see a major uptick in crime. Of course they will and they will reverse course in less than a year but who knows how long it takes to undo the damage. It’s unknowable.

[n00bie]

Man. American news is awesome entertainment.

[Kblaze8855]

We’ve talked about and agreed there’s too much overlap but you’re straight up crazy if you believe for one second that with their plan of ABOLISHING the local police force... they won’t see a major uptick in crime. Of course they will and they will reverse course in less than a year but who knows how long it takes to undo the damage. It’s unknowable.


Again I ask you....

Who are the local police?

King county is the county Seattle is in. Are the king county sheriffs(like 800 of them) the “local police”?

There are 1300 city cops.

But....there are also 1100 more troopers.

Their site says the troopers alone took 600k 911 calls in a year.

I don’t know how they are deployed.

There is a lot of room to move around the budget of every major city to address issues that if done properly....would reduce the need for crime fighting.

We just all know it would get misused by people looking to act “woke” and ****ing it up.

Theres no way the money gets moved and used in a way we could all agree on without making life shit on the thousands of other cops who start filling the void. At least in the short term.

[Patrick Chewing]

Democrats just doing anything they can to never be elected again.

[Kblaze8855]

No democrat in Seattle is worried. It’s like Mississippi for your team. You might lose in a primary but the general vs the other party? That’s a cakewalk.

[Stanley Kobrick]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/ae/04/2cae04b7a3a246176f580fef067d0d7b.gif
:cheers:

[FourthTenor]

And the city council does what about elected sheriffs and their deputies, the state troopers, several county departments, and local branches of federal law enforcement?

The DEA will still be chasing drug dealers, the fbi, and coast guard and so on are still there.

Try going to Seattle after this and see if “defunding the police” means there is no law enforcement. Go rob a bank and see how many kinds of law enforcement are on your ass. Try to float some coke in on a speedboat. Think nobody shows up when you start shooting.

This shit would not have the on the ground impact some of you seem to think. I don’t even know who 911 really goes to. There are way more kinds of “cops” than we really think about. The overall problems cops deal with could be reduced by addressing issues other ways. Not all of them obviously. Someone has to show up where there is domestic violence. And I’d imagine that would be the sheriffs department and county departments if Seattle defunded it’s city police for other programs.

Would suck putting the added responsibility on them and I’d imagine they attempt some lame local hands off policing. The world will keep spinning.

I just wonder how many of the other kinds of local law just quit in protest.


In theory they should request/demand that all these other branches stay away from Seattle as well.

Since Washington is a blue state overall, maybe can they get enough support to defund the state police too? And petition the federal government to withdraw all forms of law enforcement.

[bladefd]

https://nypost.com/2020/07/31/seattle-city-council-move-to-abolish-police-department-with-new-bill/

It won't pass, and if it does then just give it a week. Folks will come back begging for police department to restarted within 1 week.

[JohnnySic]

People just dont get it. The very notion that the police are being abolished is going to encourage criminals to do what they do.

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[ArbitraryWater]

who will track crime / criminal activities?


how will they have stats on criminal activities?

those stats are brought fourth by the police's knowledge

[Kblaze8855]

who will track crime / criminal activities?


how will they have stats on criminal activities?

those stats are brought fourth by the police's knowledge


The other kinds of police I assume. There is no one group of people who are the “police”. There are city, county, and state police and all 3 are in Seattle like everywhere else.

The more reasonable people trying to make these things happen wouldn’t call it defunding. They would say the goal is to unburden cops of responsibilities that shouldn’t be there to begin with. Drug addicts, homeless issues, social services, wellness checks and all and to have cops be mostly just who shows up to stop violence and respond to emergencies when called on.

And even in that world the dea, FBI, NSA, and so on are looking into major issues. Big time drug dealers, human trafficking, terrorism and so on.

If cops had to do nothing but come where they are called and generally keep the peace they would live better lives and do a better job on the crime left to them.

That said....the people framing the argument aren’t bright enough to go that route and even if they did it would take years to make the adjustment stick.

Im sure cops wish they could do 1950s style neighborhood policing and walk around getting to know the community and have everyone helping them out. But in a world full of drug addicts who will kill an old lady for a fix you can’t throw a civilian in between them and society and have it work out right away.


The problems are too big for an army of social workers, foster homes, shelters, and so on to fix inside 20 years.

Its like gun violence. You might be able to take a huuuuge bite out of if you cracked down hard, imposed draconian measures, taxed the **** outta them to raise the prices out of the reach of poor criminals(it would be reflected in street prices as well eventually), and put everyone caught using one in a crime in jail forever at the same time you put a cap on maximum yearly manufacturing so you slowly filter out older ones less taken care of in favor of new ones a street kid can’t afford.

You would save lives. And it would take 30 years. And in the 30 years it wouldn’t seem to be working and you get voted out before the changes can prove you right.


A lot of things would work if you didn’t need to be re-elected to keep the implementation going.

Helping the police by getting the knucklehead shit off their plate would long term maybe make policing better.

But it wouldn’t work for years and you would be vilified in the meantime.

Some shit is just too big to be fixed in a single term of any kind and these idiot politicians are fighting to look most “woke” to their community and they have no idea how to make the shit work.

What they want would take half a lifetime. And taking it slow doesn’t get you in the news.

[Norcaliblunt]

What all this is going to do is privatize everything. Home owners associations will start providing private security that you’ll have pay for out of you HOA fees.

[Rocket]

The other kinds of police I assume. There is no one group of people who are the “police”. There are city, county, and state police and all 3 are in Seattle like everywhere else.

The more reasonable people trying to make these things happen wouldn’t call it defunding. They would say the goal is to unburden cops of responsibilities that shouldn’t be there to begin with. Drug addicts, homeless issues, social services, wellness checks and all and to have cops be mostly just who shows up to stop violence and respond to emergencies when called on.

And even in that world the dea, FBI, NSA, and so on are looking into major issues. Big time drug dealers, human trafficking, terrorism and so on.

If cops had to do nothing but come where they are called and generally keep the peace they would live better lives and do a better job on the crime left to them.

That said....the people framing the argument aren’t bright enough to go that route and even if they did it would take years to make the adjustment stick.

Im sure cops wish they could do 1950s style neighborhood policing and walk around getting to know the community and have everyone helping them out. But in a world full of drug addicts who will kill an old lady for a fix you can’t throw a civilian in between them and society and have it work out right away.


The problems are too big for an army of social workers, foster homes, shelters, and so on to fix inside 20 years.

Its like gun violence. You might be able to take a huuuuge bite out of if you cracked down hard, imposed draconian measures, taxed the **** outta them to raise the prices out of the reach of poor criminals(it would be reflected in street prices as well eventually), and put everyone caught using one in a crime in jail forever at the same time you put a cap on maximum yearly manufacturing so you slowly filter out older ones less taken care of in favor of new ones a street kid can’t afford.

You would save lives. And it would take 30 years. And in the 30 years it wouldn’t seem to be working and you get voted out before the changes can prove you right.


A lot of things would work if you didn’t need to be re-elected to keep the implementation going.

Helping the police by getting the knucklehead shit off their plate would long term maybe make policing better.

But it wouldn’t work for years and you would be vilified in the meantime.

Some shit is just too big to be fixed in a single term of any kind and these idiot politicians are fighting to look most “woke” to their community and they have no idea how to make the shit work.

What they want would take half a lifetime. And taking it slow doesn’t get you in the news.

You are extremely naive if you think the other law enforcement organizations can fill the void of getting rid of an entire police department in a major city. They would not have the manpower nor the assets(police cars, etc...) to fill the void unless they hired the entire Seattle Police Dpt and took over their assets immediately. You would then have to think about budgets. There is no way the King County Sheriff dept has the budget to hire the manpower they would need to fill that void. No the city would not be 100% devoid of law enforcement but response times would be utterly ridiculous.

[Patrick Chewing]

The FBI is not going to be handling roadside accidents or domestic violence calls or catching speeders on the roads.


Seattle will descend into chaos. Escape From Seattle.

[Norcaliblunt]

You are extremely naive if you think the other law enforcement organizations can fill the void of getting rid of an entire police department in a major city. They would not have the manpower nor the assets(police cars, etc...) to fill the void unless they hired the entire Seattle Police Dpt and took over their assets immediately. You would then have to think about budgets. There is no way the King County Sheriff dept has the budget to hire the manpower they would need to fill that void. No the city would not be 100% devoid of law enforcement but response times would be utterly ridiculous.

What will fill the void is private security. Businesses will have to hire people to protect their premises. Commercial real estate like office buildings and shopping centers will have more guards and elaborate security mechanisms. While residential neighborhoods will have its residents pay for security companies through home owner associations.

If you are into capitalism and the free market this is a good time to get into the security firm business.

[Kblaze8855]

Two of those things I believe are state troopers. And I imagine King county sends its cops to domestic violence situations as well.

It would be more an issue of response time than jurisdiction. I’m not sure what a Seattle city officer has jurisdiction on that the other two can’t get involved in but I’m sure we will hear all about it.

Im just waiting for the first guy to get arrested by the cops at a celebration over the cops being removed.

[AirBonner]

Two of those things I believe are state troopers. And I imagine King county sends its cops to domestic violence situations as well.

It would be more an issue of response time than jurisdiction. I’m not sure what a Seattle city officer has jurisdiction on that the other two can’t get involved in but I’m sure we will hear all about it.

Im just waiting for the first guy to get arrested by the cops at a celebration over the cops being removed.
Not going to work. You are asking a police department to handle their normal work plus Seattle’s. That’s millions of extra calls. You think people will work that? Fvck no

[AirBonner]

You can’t assume these cops will be ok with taking on triple shifts Every day

[Patrick Chewing]

Not going to work. You are asking a police department to handle their normal work plus Seattle’s. That’s millions of extra calls. You think people will work that? Fvck no

Yeah I don't see how other departments can pick up the slack. You're going to ask State Troopers to perform a drug raid now? Or even worse, if you get the FBI involved, you're only causing the taxpayers to fork over more money for something like that. In fact, if Staties are now required to work the city beat, then the state would have to hire more cops, thus defeating the whole purpose of this ridiculous social experiment.


All of this is going to result in more dead citizens and more dead cops. And of course, predictably, as a result of the uptick in crime and murders, the Liberal spin will be that we have a gun problem in this country. :lol

[Norcaliblunt]

Private security picks up the slack fools.

[Patrick Chewing]

And again, I really think these people just don't want police around period. Defunding and disbanding the police doesn't mean you want another police officer from another department to come in and do the job of law enforcement. These people want no law enforcement whatsoever.

Some of you laugh and scoff at the idea of how warped of an ideology that Liberalism has become, but it's staring right at us.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Private security picks up the slack fools.

Yeah "private security" wont do shit.

They're not giving traffic citations. Wont handle domestic disputes. Or investigate random murder and/or robbery.

Some of you are out of ouch and flatout delusional. Any "CHOP" posters here?

[Norcaliblunt]

This shit is freedom to hire to who you want to patrol and protect you neighborhood or business. Straight up libertarianism.

[Norcaliblunt]

Yeah "private security" wont do shit.

They're not gonna give traffic citations. Answer to domestic disputes. Or investigate random murder and/or robbery. Some of you are completely out of ouch and delusional. Any "CHOP" posters here?

Traffic citations are bullshit and there will still be detectives. The private sector has always proven to be more efficient than big government so I don’t know wtf you are talking about.

[Cleverness]

This shit is freedom to hire to who you want to patrol and protect you neighborhood or business. Straight up libertarianism.

But those in power will continue to tax the same (or more) and spend that money on private police for themselves, as we've already seen in Minnesota.

The rest will go to a new "Woke Police" for the rest of the population.

[Patrick Chewing]

This shit is freedom to hire to who you want to patrol and protect you neighborhood or business. Straight up libertarianism.

You do understand that policing requires training, correct? Usually that kind of training is done at a police academy.

So even if the city hires "private security", how are they going to be different than police?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Traffic citations are bullshit

You were dropped on your head at birth. This is clearly beyond your comprehension, so don't sweat it.

[Kblaze8855]

Not going to work. You are asking a police department to handle their normal work plus Seattle’s. That’s millions of extra calls. You think people will work that? Fvck no

What I’m saying is....those people are already in Seattle. They already take Seattle calls. That’s the case in every place I’ve ever been and I’ve been reading the sites on their highway patrol, county cops, and so on just out of curiosity. The highway patrol directly references answering 911 calls and it again makes me wonder where they go. Is there one dispatch who sends whoever is closest or what?

The more I check the more convoluted it all seems. We have a guy asking who does drug raids when we have the DEA. I’m not sure the drug war even makes sense on a low enough level the DEA isn’t involved. Guy asked about accidents and so on. That’s highway patrol. What I’m wondering is what specific duties city cops have that don’t overlap. The entire system needs a rebuild. This isn’t the way to go about it obviously but it all feels like normal government waste.

All these taxes taken to have 5 versions of Leo’s chasing the same guy at times. We need a streamlining.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Seattle will descend into chaos. Escape From Seattle.

we haven't even gone into an economic depression yet... which is bound to happen the day they kill Trump.

no police + economic collapse = night of the living dead.

The entire Left Coast will be one giant $hit hole 4 years from now.... far surpassing the $hit hole it is today.

escape while you still can.

[tpols]

**** em. I've never had to call the police and if I ever did have to for some violent robbery type shit, I'd be toast way before they got out here anyway. So... **** em. Get rid of the police. All they do is harrass us over petty bullshit anyway. Like blaze said real high level criminals have higher bureaus investigating and tracking them.

[coin24]

WAKANDA FOREVER!!!

the west can be the BLM paradise, no cops, no privileged white oppressors.. Because blacks are great at parenting and creating peaceful societies, not to mention crime between themselves is almost non existent :cheers:

[FourthTenor]

Im sure cops wish they could do 1950s style neighborhood policing and walk around getting to know the community and have everyone helping them out. But in a world full of drug addicts who will kill an old lady for a fix you can’t throw a civilian in between them and society and have it work out right away.


The problems are too big for an army of social workers, foster homes, shelters, and so on to fix inside 20 years.

Its like gun violence. You might be able to take a huuuuge bite out of if you cracked down hard, imposed draconian measures, taxed the **** outta them to raise the prices out of the reach of poor criminals(it would be reflected in street prices as well eventually), and put everyone caught using one in a crime in jail forever at the same time you put a cap on maximum yearly manufacturing so you slowly filter out older ones less taken care of in favor of new ones a street kid can’t afford.

You would save lives. And it would take 30 years. And in the 30 years it wouldn’t seem to be working and you get voted out before the changes can prove you right.


A lot of things would work if you didn’t need to be re-elected to keep the implementation going.

Helping the police by getting the knucklehead shit off their plate would long term maybe make policing better.

But it wouldn’t work for years and you would be vilified in the meantime.

Some shit is just too big to be fixed in a single term of any kind and these idiot politicians are fighting to look most “woke” to their community and they have no idea how to make the shit work.

What they want would take half a lifetime. And taking it slow doesn’t get you in the news.


This is all very true.

It’s hard to expect long-term policy aims from people serving a short-sighted public.

[FourthTenor]

**** em. I've never had to call the police and if I ever did have to for some violent robbery type shit, I'd be toast way before they got out here anyway. So... **** em. Get rid of the police. All they do is harrass us over petty bullshit anyway. Like blaze said real high level criminals have higher bureaus investigating and tracking them.


Thats because their very existence deters most people’s criminal impulses to begin with.

If there were no police of any kind we would all be living in a constant state of danger.

[RRR3]

WAKANDA FOREVER!!!

the west can be the BLM paradise, no cops, no privileged white oppressors.. Because blacks are great at parenting and creating peaceful societies, not to mention crime between themselves is almost non existent :cheers:
Seething.

[coin24]

Seething.

Why would I be? I don't live there, the USA is now the joke of the world..
You're part black supposedly, you should go live in that paradise, I'm sure housing will be cheap:oldlol:

[FourthTenor]

is that what is happening? is seattle getting rid of all law enforcement? or did seattle just move to abolish seattle pd, one of the many overlapping law enforcement agencies? :rolleyes:


Umm, I dunno? Why dont you look up whatever the answer is to the questions you have..

Because Im not seeing how theyre relevant to my reply to tpols’ comment.

[RRR3]

Why would I be? I don't live there, the USA is now the joke of the world..
You're part black supposedly, you should go live in that paradise, I'm sure housing will be cheap:oldlol:
You're always seething, 'Shew. Especially over stuff like this. I don't feel like moving to Seattle, I'm happy staying in my hometown.

[coin24]

You're always seething, 'Shew. Especially over stuff like this. I don't feel like moving to Seattle, I'm happy staying in my hometown.

In your parents home you mean

[RRR3]

In your parents home you mean
Nah, I'm gonna get an apartment. You'll still be in your uncle's basement, though.

[coin24]

Nah, I'm gonna get an apartment. You'll still be in your uncle's basement, though.

Actually own my house but nice try. Enjoy that fictional apartment with no job at your parents house:cheers:

[RRR3]

Actually own my house but nice try. Enjoy that fictional apartment with no job at your parents house:cheers:
We all know you live in a basement with your uncle and wear a diaper. Why else would you come up with such oddly specific insults?



Poooooooooooor 'Shew. All alone in the basement, with only a Sao biscuit for company.

[Patrick Chewing]

We all know you live in a basement with your uncle and wear a diaper. Why else would you come up with such oddly specific insults?



Poooooooooooor 'Shew. All alone in the basement, with only a Sao biscuit for company.


You’re the last person who should be making fun of where someone lives.

[FourthTenor]

chris, you tried making a point that police are necessary to deter crime, this thread is about seattle pd being abolished, not all law enforcement. so your point was moot.

you got caught slipping ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


More like:

Youre reaching for something that isnt there to get my attention.

[coin24]

You’re the last person who should be making fun of where someone lives.

Poor jewfro needs to stick to his commie literature and make believe world cause the real one has spat the retard out

[Stanley Kobrick]

i speak to far more important people every day. millionaires, high level decision makers, etc.

why would i want your attention? you are unimportant to me and of no value.

i simply called you out on a moot point you tried making, that is all.
high iq user :cheers:

[FourthTenor]

i speak to far more important people every day. millionaires, high level decision makers, etc.

why would i want your attention? you are unimportant to me and of no value.

i simply called you out on a moot point you tried making, that is all.


All of this is a lie.

And Im sure you “wont care” enough to respond to me for a third time in 30 minutes.

[Nanners]

What all this is going to do is privatize everything. Home owners associations will start providing private security that you’ll have pay for out of you HOA fees.

Bingo

As long as we have a society, there will be law enforcement... the only thing that defunding the police is going to accomplish is making the poorest and most vulnerable members of society even more vulnerable, as well as the proliferation of private security forces with even less accountability than the police.

[Nanners]

The other kinds of police I assume. There is no one group of people who are the “police”. There are city, county, and state police and all 3 are in Seattle like everywhere else.

Do you really think all this "defund the police" rhetoric is targeted specifically at the city police, rather than local law enforcement in general? You think these activists are going to stop if they successfully abolish the city police?

[Hittin_Shots]

is that what is happening? is seattle getting rid of all law enforcement? or did seattle just move to abolish seattle pd, one of the many overlapping law enforcement agencies? :rolleyes:


So you're saying this won't change anything and is a meaningless 'woke appeasement' for the loud minority?

[Nanners]

what type of accountability do current municipal pd's have? civil review boards? AG's, judges refusing to prosecute police, massive protests needed to get killer police behind bars?

are you really unable to understand how a public institution has more accountability than a private one? :oldlol:

[FourthTenor]

i don't support blm or whatever message these extremists are attempting to propagate, but i'm with kblaze on this, law enforcement agencies could use some consolidation. why are our tax dollars funding a billion different agencies that overlap?

the money saved by removing one agency could be used to fund an existing agency to take on the increased workload.


Theres no question their funding is bloated. And if youre really concerned on a fiscal level, reducing or eliminating pensions used for buying political loyalty is a good place to start, for all city employees. If there are sensible ways to consolidate unnecessary bureaucracy, I’m all for it.

Reducing the number of serving officers, regardless of how many agencies they are consolidated within, is not something real business owners will want to see, because it will absolutely lead to a reduction of adequate response to crime.

Fake business owners.... possibly.

But not real ones.

[FourthTenor]

are you really unable to understand how a public institution has more accountability than a private one? :oldlol:


That’s questionable.

A private institution that doesnt meet its consumer’s demands will go out of business, definitely.

Those in charge of a public institution who do not meet their constituents demands will get voted out... maybe.



Edit: I suppose you mean accountability to the public. As in, private security doesnt really care if anyone besides their client thinks theyre outta line. That point is fair enough, ofc.

It would frankly be an unimaginably endless litany of lawsuits. The whole thing would be insanity. I’m a low govt guy but certainly not a no gov guy. Law enforcement is one of the most basic institutions required for a society to even qualify as a “civilization.”

[Nanners]

are you unable to understand how existing law enforcement agencies with jurisdiction can take on that work load with more funding?

So all this defund the police nonsense is just about replacing the city police with other agencies like the state police and sheriffs office? How does that change anything?


or how private companies are ran more efficiently than government agencies?

Are you really using republican talking points right now? :oldlol:

When did I say anything about efficiency anyway?


choose, either way, you're proven wrong.

but keep dodging my question how current police are held "ACCOUNTABLE".

I didnt say that police are accountable, I said that the privatized police that is going to replace them will be less accountable.

[DoctorP]

Interesting experiment. Good luck, Seattle.

I have no idea how this is going to work but let's see what happens.

ps. oh the bill hasnt even been considered yet... meh

[Nanners]

and that's my argument, to what degree? bc current police are essentially unaccountable. so how much worse will private security be?

Are you really going to make me spell it out for you?

In virtually every jurisdiction in this country, a city police commissioner will be appointed by a publicly elected politician (usually a mayor), and that commissioner must run their department at the direction of that politician (or they get replaced). Under a privatized model, the head of the police is only going to be accountable to whoever is financing them (probably a homeowners association or something).

The police are supposed to follow a set of policies that are made publicly available. If the public does not like a police policy, they can pressure their local government for a change. A private security force has no obligation to share their policies with the public, and their policies will be determined by whatever private entity is paying them.

Police are required to log virtually all of their interactions in reports, and these reports are available to the public under most circumstances. A private security force would have no such requirement.

The public can vote or pressure their politicians to force public law enforcement agencies to do things like wear body cameras, and a public police force is typically required to make evidence like body camera footage publicly available. It would be virtually impossible for the public to force a private security to wear body cameras, or make their camera footage available to the public.

Do you need more examples? I can keep going all day.

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Highwey, do you think private mercenaries employed by companies like Blackwater have more accountability to the public than the US military? Do you think that private schools have more accountability to the public than public schools? Do you think that private health insurance companies have more accountability to the public than public health systems like medicare and medicaid?

Why would the police be any different?