BLM - The Marxist Revolution

[KennyPowers]

Black Lives Matter Founder: DNC Platform Must Call for Defunding Police, Abolishing ICE
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/31/black-lives-matter-founder-dnc-platform-must-call-for-defunding-police-abolishing-ice/#


Self-proclaimed Marxist and BLM co-founder Patrisse Cullors called on Democrats[/B] to make “sea changes” to their party platform and adopt radical legislation that calls to defund the police force, eliminate both the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) and the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and close all federal prisons and immigration detention centers, alongside various other radical demands — otherwise, “any claims of allyship and solidarity with our work to fight for black liberation are for naught.”


Cullors stated there is “an opportunity right now to right the course of history” and warned that if not careful, the Democratic Party “will miss its greatest opportunity” to lead our country to the “true American revolution.”


"Until and unless our leaders become signatory to the BREATHE Act — to legislation that eliminates the federal government’s ability to give multi-million dollar grants to militarize police forces; dismantles punitive like ICE, Border Patrol, and the DEA; ends the use of surveillance systems being used to target protesters; and bans the use of police agencies to suppress political dissent — the Democratic Party of today will be remembered as the party of complicity. The party that refuses to sacrifice its own creature comforts and material securities to ensure it walked the walk. So before you leave today, I want you to answer this question for yourselves: Which side of history is my party actually on?"

In a call following her remarks, Cullors told Axios that she and other activists are “playing the long game” and that “even if we get Trump out in November we will still be having this same conversation about police violence with Biden in office.”

Cullors also added that earlier this month, the Movement for Black Lives (M4BL) policy team met with members of Biden’s campaign to discuss the BREATHE Act.

[KennyPowers]

The BREATHE Act:

Formulated by the radical Movement for Black Lives (M4BL) — a coalition of more than 150 organizations and championed by Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-MA) and Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) — the bill, posted on breatheact.org, is broken into four sections that focus on reforming federal institutions and policies.

The first section calls for moves such as divesting from police agencies like the DEA and ICE, dramatically reducing the Department of Defense budget, ending life sentences and mandatory minimum sentences, closing all federal prisons and immigration detention centers, and decriminalizing and retroactively expunging both state and federal drug offenses.

The second section calls for federal grants to incentivize local jurisdictions to decarcerate jails and/or defund police forces, close detention facilities, abolish state gang databases, remove police from schools, repeal all juvenile offenses, eliminate all court fees and forgive past debts.

The section also calls for a new program that would send trained civilian specialists, rather than police, to respond to 911 calls in order to reduce unnecessary contact between law enforcement and community members.

The next section calls for allocating new money for social equality in communities that provide equitable funding for all schools; developing school curricula that examines the impacts of colonialism, genocide against indigenous peoples and slavery; closing youth detention centers; and providing a lifetime of free access to education for undocumented immigrants, including those who are currently or were formerly incarcerated.

The final section calls for reparations for those incarcerated, including enfranchisement to vote; creating a public financing program for campaigns powered by small-dollar contributions; incentivizing states to increase voter turnout; and allowing undocumented immigrants to vote in local and state elections.

[FourthTenor]

:applause:


Time for people in charge to pick a value set and stick to it.


I would also like to see BLM call on Fake Woke (Faux-k) white CEO’s who are throwing everyone beneath themselves under the bus, to STEP DOWN from their position of privilege.

Stop quota hiring beneath your position in order to appease the mob, while keeping your own ass in charge.

STEP DOWN Bob Iger, CEO of Disney.

STEP DOWN Howard Schultz, CEO of Starbucks

STEP DOWN Adam Silver, Commissioner of the NBA



Let’s see if these guys are willing to do more than “donate” money, which theyre just going to recoup thru a tilted economic table. Lets see them be REAL allies and give up their privilege.



The time is here to pick a side. Either youre woke, or youre sane. It’s time to call out sane people who are pretending to be woke for profit, while throwing everyone else under the bus.

CEOs need to be called out and told to choose.


LEZ DO THIS.

[RRR3]

The DEA shouldn’t exist. I don’t think we should abolish ICE, though, and I’m sure I’ll get screeched at for that by liberals. I do think ICE needs to stop acting like fascists, though.

[FourthTenor]

The DEA shouldn’t exist. I don’t think we should abolish ICE, though, and I’m sure I’ll get screeched at for that by liberals. I do think ICE needs to stop acting like fascists, though.

Im pretty sure this BLM nutcase and most of her supporters see themselves as more closely in line with Sanders than with Biden.


:confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

Im pretty sure this BLM nutcase and most of her supporters see themselves as more closely in line with Sanders than with Biden.


:confusedshrug:
I’m sure they do. Open borders in a capitalist society isn’t a leftist position, though.

[FourthTenor]

IÂ’m sure they do. Open borders in a capitalist society isnÂ’t a leftist position, though.


Im just saying, the people most likely to be screeching about the abolition of ICE are most likely to self identify as Sanders Progressives.


The crazy thing is you literally cant have a “socialist utopia” with open borders. Theyre mutually exclusive, because youll have the entire world showing to exploit the benefits without sharing the values. And you literally cant turn anyone away for bad intentions because it violates the open border policy :lol


I give you credit for having come to that realization, but its amazing how many of the unhinged mob simply refuse to confront even the most simple and obvious realities of society bc it puts them into a panicked state of emotional confusion and torment.




#ItsMillerTime

[Overdrive]

1st How shook are you rn?

2nd any of these demands are ridiculous. Getting rid of the police, prison et al won't help black people. It neither rids any governmental force of racial profiling nor will it change the socialogical problems of black people.

It's a copout for protest leaders to show the mob they're demanding solutions while infact the don't seem to know what the problem even is.

[RRR3]

Im just saying, the people most likely to be screeching about the abolition of ICE are most likely to self identify as Sanders Progressives.


The crazy thing is you literally cant have a “socialist utopia” with open borders. Theyre mutually exclusive, because youll have the entire world showing to exploit the benefits without sharing the values. And you literally cant turn anyone away for bad intentions because it violates the open border policy :lol


I give you credit for having come to that realization, but its amazing how many of the unhinged mob simply refuse to confront even the most simple and obvious realities of society bc it puts them into a panicked state of emotional confusion and torment.




#ItsMillerTime
I’m actually a socialist though, I feel like ItsMillerTime is at most a Social Democrat. I certainly believe in Democracy, but I also want to get rid of capitalism. The only way open borders are likely going to feasible is if you are in a country that large groups of people don’t desire to immigrate to, or if a global socialist or communist state was created (this was Lenin’s ultimate goal, but it has obviously never been realized). I’ve come to a lot of these realizations thanks to Bernie getting me started on questioning stuff, and ever since that happened I’ve continued to read more and move farther left. I certainly have nothing against immigrants, but in order to solve income inequality, we can’t have open borders. I’d love for people in Latin America to have income inequality as well, but American politicians need to put American lives first because that’s who they’re serving. Trump is right about this, although he is wrong about how he goes about accomplishing it. I don’t deny that he has met with a lot of resistance on immigration control, but I think he actually has decreased deportations since Obama, so IMO most of the blowback is because of his rhetoric. If Trump tried saying “look, some of our greatest citizens have been immigrants, and I empathize with people fleeing bad situations, but we need to regulate immigration in order to protect our workers” he’d likely have gotten a better response. I’m not saying he’d have got the Democrats to support him, but there would be less outrage over his border policies. Obama treated illegal immigrants badly as well but no one seemed to care because Obama uses nice rhetoric.

[FourthTenor]

I’m actually a socialist though, I feel like ItsMillerTime is at most a Social Democrat. I certainly believe in Democracy, but I also want to get rid of capitalism. The only way open borders are likely going to feasible is if you are in a country that large groups of people don’t desire to immigrate to, or if a global socialist or communist state was created (this was Lenin’s ultimate goal, but it has obviously never been realized). I’ve come to a lot of these realizations thanks to Bernie getting me started on questioning stuff, and ever since that happened I’ve continued to read more and move farther left. I certainly have nothing against immigrants, but in order to solve income inequality, we can’t have open borders. I’d love for people in Latin America to have income inequality as well, but American politicians need to put American lives first because that’s who they’re serving. Trump is right about this, although he is wrong about how he goes about accomplishing it. I don’t deny that he has met with a lot of resistance on immigration control, but I think he actually has decreased deportations since Obama, so IMO most of the blowback is because of his rhetoric. If Trump tried saying “look, some of our greatest citizens have been immigrants, and I empathize with people fleeing bad situations, but we need to regulate immigration in order to protect our workers” he’d likely have gotten a better response. I’m not saying he’d have got the Democrats to support him, but there would be less outrage over his border policies. Obama treated illegal immigrants badly as well but no one seemed to care because Obama uses nice rhetoric.


Rhetoric isnt what matters. If you really wanna read something useful and relevant, read the Shakespeare play Tragedy of Coriolanus (based on a work by the roman Plutarch.)

The obvious problems with open borders are far more important than “Donald Trump’s way of describing them.” Refusing to engage the problems and examine difficult solutions bc “Trump was rude about it” is about the most silly, counter productive thing imaginable. If a rose by any other name would smell as sweet, then a problem is a problem.

A lot of people dont have the thickness of skin required for leadership, and they dont wanna be the one to stand up first and say “Its time to DO something about this, now lets TALK ABOUT THE OPTIONS.”

The people claiming to technically be against open borders, but refusing to push on the issue “bc Trump” are simply using a cop out card. The real issue is they dont have the backbone to do what needs to be done, to secure the future they want. They wait until some meanie Republican is FORCED to address it by straight up putting border hoppers in detention, then little woke Timothy can say “omg what a jerk! I totally hate that he did that!” while enjoying the social benefits of the actual action Trump took.

Thats called passing the buck. And therein lies the rub. Because when you pass the buck and someone else takes care of the problem, theyre a lot less inclined to share what theyve earned with you.

Passing the buck wont get us to utopia.

[RRR3]

Rhetoric matters to a lot of voters. That was my point.

[FourthTenor]

Rhetoric matters to a lot of voters. That was my point.


Well it shouldnt, and that’s mine.

[DoctorP]

The BREATHE Act:

Formulated by the radical Movement for Black Lives (M4BL) — a coalition of more than 150 organizations and championed by Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-MA) and Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) — the bill, posted on breatheact.org, is broken into four sections that focus on reforming federal institutions and policies.

The first section calls for moves such as divesting from police agencies like the DEA and ICE, dramatically reducing the Department of Defense budget, ending life sentences and mandatory minimum sentences, closing all federal prisons and immigration detention centers, and decriminalizing and retroactively expunging both state and federal drug offenses.

The second section calls for federal grants to incentivize local jurisdictions to decarcerate jails and/or defund police forces, close detention facilities, abolish state gang databases, remove police from schools, repeal all juvenile offenses, eliminate all court fees and forgive past debts.

The section also calls for a new program that would send trained civilian specialists, rather than police, to respond to 911 calls in order to reduce unnecessary contact between law enforcement and community members.

The next section calls for allocating new money for social equality in communities that provide equitable funding for all schools; developing school curricula that examines the impacts of colonialism, genocide against indigenous peoples and slavery; closing youth detention centers; and providing a lifetime of free access to education for undocumented immigrants, including those who are currently or were formerly incarcerated.

The final section calls for reparations for those incarcerated, including enfranchisement to vote; creating a public financing program for campaigns powered by small-dollar contributions; incentivizing states to increase voter turnout; and allowing undocumented immigrants to vote in local and state elections.

seems reasonable. no outlandish commie shit.

[DoctorP]

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[warriorfan]

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Alpha

[Nanners]

Im just saying, the people most likely to be screeching about the abolition of ICE are most likely to self identify as Sanders Progressives.

Perhaps thats true (I am doubtful), but Bernie himself doesnt support open borders. https://www.vox.com/2015/7/29/9048401/bernie-sanders-open-borders


So I was disappointed, if not surprised, at the visceral horror with which Bernie Sanders reacted to the idea when interviewed by my colleague Ezra Klein. "Open borders?" he interjected. "No, that's a Koch brothers proposal." The idea, he argued, is a right-wing scheme meant to flood the US with cheap labor and depress wages for native-born workers. "I think from a moral responsibility, we've got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty," he conceded, "but you don't do that by making people in this country even poorer."

There are two problems with Sanders's view on this, one empirical and one moral. He's wrong about what the effects of an open-border policy would be on American workers, and he's wrong in treating Americans' lives as more valuable and worthy of concern than the lives of foreigners.

Regardless of what Bernies supporters may think (the ones that apparently arent paying attention to what Bernie says), Bernie himself sounds an awful lot like Trump when he talks about open borders... and the globalist establishment dems hate him for it


Personally, I think the distinction between "not helping" and "hurting" isn't that meaningful. I do think the US is obligated to help immigrants. I think Bernie Sanders is obligated to weigh the interests of a poor potential Nigerian immigrant equally to those of a much richer native-born American. I think if he saw an immigrant drowning in a pond, he has just as much of a duty to rescue her as he would if she were a native-born American, and the same duty applies when he's voting in the US Senate. Taking that idea seriously — the idea that all people are created equal, and deserve to be treated as though their lives matter regardless of their place of birth — entails supporting open borders.

I don't doubt that Sanders thinks he takes equality seriously. I'm sure he thinks he's an egalitarian. I'm sure he believes that Nigerian lives and Bangladeshi lives and Haitian lives matter. But if he does, then his views on immigration must change.

[FourthTenor]

Perhaps thats true (I am doubtful), but Bernie himself doesnt support open borders. https://www.vox.com/2015/7/29/9048401/bernie-sanders-open-borders

Regardless of what Bernies supporters may think (the ones that apparently arent paying attention to what Bernie says), Bernie himself sounds an awful lot like Trump when he talks about open borders... and the globalist establishment dems hate him for it


I know Bernie has spoken about the realities of immigration in the past, altho I didnt hear him broach the issue during his primary campaigns for Prez. Actually Barry O also was on the record about the realities of immigration before he ran for President as a Dem, at which point he had to do an immediate about-face.

I read just this morning that Sanders announced positive results of the “Biden-Sanders Coalition” (or something to that effect) where a team of Sanders advisors basically told the Biden campaign what they need to pretend to care about in order to get the Bernie Bro vote or something. According to Bernie, and this is a direct quite, “if Biden is elected he’ll be the most progressive President since Eisenhower.” (I think it was Eiseinhower).

Bernie’s base may not care much for the DNC and even some of his top advisors seem not to... but Bernie himself seems to really wanna stay in those good graces, for whatever reason.

Bernie is a power hungry guy. Even if you agree with many of the ideals he promotes... I think it’s hard to ignore the signs that Bernie is desperate to get himself in charge. Supposedly he’s always been that way.

[Nanners]

I know Bernie has spoken about the realities of immigration in the past, altho I didnt hear him broach the issue during his primary campaigns for Prez. Actually Barry O also was on the record about the realities of immigration before he ran for President as a Dem, at which point he had to do an immediate about-face.

Obama was actually one of the most anti-immigrant presidents this country has ever had. Obama deported people at a higher rate than any other president in US history (including Trump), and hes the guy who built all those border cages and pioneered the policy of separating immigrant children from their families and imprisoning them.


I read just this morning that Sanders announced positive results of the “Biden-Sanders Coalition” (or something to that effect) where a team of Sanders advisors basically told the Biden campaign what they need to pretend to care about in order to get the Bernie Bro vote or something. According to Bernie, and this is a direct quite, “if Biden is elected he’ll be the most progressive President since Eisenhower.” (I think it was Eiseinhower).

Bernie’s base may not care much for the DNC and even some of his top advisors seem not to... but Bernie himself seems to really wanna stay in those good graces, for whatever reason.

I dont disagree with any of this

My #1 criticism for Bernie is that it makes no sense to try to stay in the good graces of a party that has cheated him repeatedly. I have no idea why he acts this way, but if I had to guess... either he is completely spineless, or the dem establishment told him that his loved ones will end up like Seth Rich if he doesnt play along with their games.

[FourthTenor]

Obama was actually one of the most anti-immigrant presidents this country has ever had. Obama deported people at a higher rate than any other president in US history (including Trump), and hes the guy who built all those border cages and pioneered the policy of imprisoning immigrant children




Yep. Ive always wondered about this, bc his public rhetoric as president was always pro immigration as far as I recall. He obviously wasnt deporting people for political publicity. But many of his policies in general dont suggest he was concerned about the issue for any of the right reasons either. So Ive always found it strange that he went so HAM on the deportations.

Not that Im complaining. Just curious what the angle was.