View Full Version : 1994 Chicago Bulls vs 2020 Toronto Raptors
Lebron23
08-03-2020, 04:42 PM
Who do you think wins in a best of 7 series? Team Siakam vs Team Pippen.
Roundball_Rock
08-03-2020, 04:54 PM
In before the "Pippen sucks" army comes in to say Toronto because Siakam>Pippen. :lol
Let's see how Toronto does in the playoffs. As RS teams, Toronto has performed better relative to the league than Chicago did.
bulls are absolutely stacked starring a true legend in pippen.
hard to go against them.
The bulls have a better coach in hof pj so i go for them. The raptors still need to prove a lot but i think nurse and siakam have potential to do it.
Lebron23
09-01-2020, 08:28 PM
bulls are absolutely stacked starring a true legend in pippen.
hard to go against them.
I have to agree with you. Bulls like sweep the Raptors. Pippen is a better go to guy in the playoffs.
Roundball_Rock
09-01-2020, 08:32 PM
The verdict is in: the 94' Bulls backed up their strong RS in the playoffs (probably one shady foul call away from the NBA finals) while the Raptors are going to get swept.
94 bulls in 4
couldve used a pippen on the roster tonight :oldlol:
Soundwave
09-01-2020, 08:34 PM
Both teams finding out the hard way that winning regular season games is one thing, the 2nd round of the playoffs is something very different.
In the playoffs they get exposed and you can see they badly lack a Jordan or Kawhi to manufacture offence in half court sets.
Roundball_Rock
09-01-2020, 08:39 PM
In come the insecure MJ stains. :lol
Fact checking the usual deception: the Bulls had the #5 playoff offense of the 16 playoff teams (#2 of the 8 teams that won a series) and performed at a much higher offensive level than the Rockets, Pacers, or Nets did against the Knicks' #1 defense (check the ORTG's for those series on BBR). That deceptively becomes "their offense sucked."
It is interesting MJ stains hype the Pacers who also took the Knicks to 7 (performing slightly worse--e.g., a negative point differential versus a positive point differential for the Bulls) while spending decades denigrating the Bulls, who weren't at full strength like the Pacers were. Pacers with a G-Leager replacing Miller at the last second are a lottery team.
If you just warp in that 1994 bulls to modern rules and gameplay, that’s going to be one heck of an adjustment and bewliderment on the bulls.
Soundwave
09-01-2020, 08:42 PM
The whole "you can lose Jordan/Kawhi and it doesn't matter" mantra was the stupid one. Obviously it's a huge difference when you are talking playoff basketball, not some regular season game in February.
The Raptors will probably come back and win a few games in this series, but they likely go out in round 2 just like the '94 Bulls.
One regular season record is an overrated way to base everything on a team. The NBA regular season has plenty of stinker teams to rack up wins against and there are plenty of other teams that are better but choose to sleepwalk through the regular season.
Roundball_Rock
09-01-2020, 08:46 PM
:sleeping
I can't spend all day with the most dishonest fanbase in sports.
For anyone looking for the playoff info, go to https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1994.html#all_misc. Bulls had an offensive rating of 109. MJ stain darlings Pacers were at 103, MJ stain darlings the Knicks 101, champ Rockets 108, Magic 104, Spurs 101, Suns 111, Sonics 103 as some examples of much talked about 94' teams. You also can click for ratings for each team in each series.
The Bulls w/out Jordan remain the gold standard (despite being deprived of a chance to sign anyone to replace MJ by MJ retiring at the 11th hour). Get over it. The Raptors getting swept will confirm this. MJ stans should be grateful that his team was so great that it could do what no one else before or after did after losing a player of that level (at his peak no less and supposedly the highest peak of all too in this case). 6 rangz you know. According to MJ stans themselves, the Bulls in 94' had the best roster. Logically, that roster improves with MJ added to it...
Soundwave
09-01-2020, 09:01 PM
"MJ stains" are like 95% of the basketball community, lol, get off the internet for 15 minutes and leave the idiot bubble of this board. Normal people don't share any of these dumb opinions.
A team always gets significantly worse when you lose a Jordan or Kawhi, you can maybe hide it in the regular season but when it comes to the playoffs you have maybe a 2nd round team, not a championship team. Both the Bulls and Raptors basically showing just that.
Roundball_Rock
09-01-2020, 09:14 PM
Playoff Offensive Ratings Vs. 94' Knicks
Rockets 100.1 (7 games)
Pacers 100.1 (7 games)
Bulls 106.7 (7 games)
Nets 95.9 (4 games)
Receipt for cold hard facts at https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1994-nba-finals-knicks-vs-rockets.html, https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1994-nba-eastern-conference-finals-pacers-vs-knicks.html, https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1994-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-bulls-vs-knicks.html, https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1994-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-nets-vs-knicks.html .
BigtimeNBAFan
09-01-2020, 09:15 PM
The 93-94 Bulls were a good team. People also forget how good Horace Grant is. The Last Dance really did him dirty. He was a big part of their 3-peat and he followed that up with being an all star and all nba defense in 93-94. He also was great for the Magic in the last playoff series Jordan ever lost in 95.
Roundball_Rock
09-01-2020, 09:19 PM
The 93-94 Bulls were a good team. People also forget how good Horace Grant is. The Last Dance really did him dirty. He was a big part of their 3-peat and he followed that up with being an all star and all nba defense in 93-94. He also was great for the Magic in the last playoff series Jordan ever lost in 95.
Yup, good points. The Bulls quietly went 7-5 without Grant in 94' and that was consistent with what they did in 95' without him. They fell off a lot more in 95' than they did in 94', at least in W-L. SRS wise they were relatively stable across the three seasons (Kukoc improved a lot in 95' which improved the offense and the defense went from #6 to #2 as Pippen had probably his best defensive season and arguably his best overall season), going from a 59 win level by SRS in 93' to 55' in 94 (healthy SRS) to 52* in 95' (non-MJ games, which included losses in a couple games Pippen missed).
The Bulls never won anything without an elite defender at PF in Rodman or Grant. MJ stans denigrate the 94' Bulls but Pippen/Grant did slightly better in the playoffs than Pippen/Jordan in 95' (against a team that got swept in the finals in 95', compared to a team that was one shot away from a chip in 94').
*For reference, their 3.8 SRS in 95' was the best in the East behind Orlando--ahead of the Knicks, Pacers, etc.
FromDowntown
09-02-2020, 01:31 AM
Both teams finding out the hard way that winning regular season games is one thing, the 2nd round of the playoffs is something very different.
In the playoffs they get exposed and you can see they badly lack a Jordan or Kawhi to manufacture offence in half court sets.
Just need a Pippen to save a 1-9 career loser
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