22-9-8-2-1 56% fg, 40% 3p, Lyte work. The King cements #1 seed, CLINCH

[TheCorporation]

Kobe's mess took longer than expected to clean up, but we are here again bois

ONE SEED

PLAYOFFS

Season 17 and still the King of the Jungle


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[ELITEpower23]

He makes it look so easy. Looks like my Grizzlies will face your Lakers Corp. This will be good experience for Ja, even if its a sweep it's still a playoff series against the King.

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[FromDowntown]

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Thing of beauty. His dominance. His confidence. His mature muscle.

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[red1]

Thing of beauty. His dominance. His confidence. His mature muscle.

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[FireDavidKahn]

We BOYZ BE EATIN GUD:banana:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Congrats on that. You earned fake cheers during 4 games instead of 3 hahhaha 1st seed is irrevalant in the bubble.

[red1]

We BOYZ BE EATIN GUD:banana:

need a very high quality of nutrition for this luxurious mane

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[TheCorporation]

need a very high quality of nutrition for this luxurious mane

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[3ball]

Stopped reading at 22

#stackedteam
#manufacturedresume

[TheCorporation]

Stopped reading at 22

#stackedteam
#manufacturedresume

Stopped reading at 5995 points

Even in a weak 90s era

[AirBonner]

LeClinch!

[MrFonzworth]

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:bowdown:

[TheCorporation]

We BOYZ BE EATIN GUD:banana:

Getting Patrick Chewing Chubby outchea

[FireDavidKahn]

LePickerAndRaped
LeGrandpaGrith

[TheCorporation]

LePickerAndRaped
LeGrandpaGrith

Still King of the Jungle !

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[FromDowntown]

Still King of the Jungle !

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:bowdown:

Wow

LeKing

[3ball]

Stopped reading at 5995 points

Even in a weak 90s era

Jordan won 6 in today's 2-star format.. :banana:

You guys are going crazy that Lebron might get a single ring against guys like Kawhi/PG, Harden/Westbrook, Lillard/McCollum, or other 2-star teams

Otoh, MJ won 6 against Magic/Worthy.. Shaq/Penny.. Malone/Stockton.. Isiah/Dumars.. Payton/Kemp...

Drexler/Kersey/Buck Williams/Porter/Ainge/Cliff Robinson

Daughtery/Price/Nance/Harper (#1 SRS)

Ewing + a guy that destroyed and punked Pippen

Barkley/Dumas/KJ/Majerle

[FromDowntown]

Jordan won 6 in today's 2-star format.. :banana:

You guys are going crazy that Lebron might get a single ring against guys like Kawhi/PG, Harden/Westbrook, Lillard/McCollum, or other 2-star teams

Otoh, MJ won 6 against Magic/Worthy.. Shaq/Penny.. Malone/Stockton.. Isiah/Dumars.. Payton/Kemp...

Drexler/Kersey/Buck Williams/Porter/Ainge/Cliff Robinson

Daughtery/Price/Nance/Harper (#1 SRS)

Ewing + a guy that destroyed and punked Pippen

Barkley/Dumas/KJ/Majerle

6 rings come on breh
10 players have 6 rings :lol Imagine thinking 1 of 10 is special :lol

how many have 6,000 points?

[jlip]

Other than playing themselves back into shape before the playoffs, what's the incentive for stars on teams that have clinched their respective seeds to play the final 2-3 games?

[3ball]

6 rings come on breh
10 players have 6 rings :lol Imagine thinking 1 of 10 is special :lol

how many have 6,000 points?

As the best player??

Who has the most rings in the modern era/3-pointer basketball as the best player?

It's Jordan - and he has twice as many (6) as anyone else (3)

[k0kakw0rld]

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LA fan with a celtic gif.

You are confused or drunk just like anybody thinking LeBron will win MVP.

[nayte]

Not to take away from a fine thread but do u all know what happens to a king when he gets old or not strong enough . Not a pleasant way to go down.

[nayte]

Not to take away from a fine thread but do u all know what happens to a king when he gets old or not strong enough . Not a pleasant way to go down.
Should add. Look at wizards Jordan for example .lol

[CeltsGarlic]

Not to take away from a fine thread but do u all know what happens to a king when he gets old or not strong enough . Not a pleasant way to go down.

In the roman times assassinated, in medieval decapitated and right now its celebrated.

[nayte]

Well I didn’t know lions where that organized .i was going with beaten , exiled and starved to death but dunno

[red1]

Still King of the Jungle !

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holy shit someone should give this cameraman a raise for taking such an amazing natural photo :eek:



king of the jungle :eek:

[dbugz]

GOAT 2nd fiddle.

The only goat award that's achievable for him.

[red1]

king of the nba, king of the east, and now king of the west. :eek:



#1 in the league in assists - lebrady aka leplaymaker :eek:

[TheCorporation]

king of the nba, king of the east, and now king of the west. :eek:



#1 in the league in assists - lebrady aka leplaymaker :eek:

The league is shook!

[TheCorporation]

Not to take away from a fine thread but do u all know what happens to a king when he gets old or not strong enough . Not a pleasant way to go down.

One last year as King of the Jungle

LeSzn17King

[msbutthurt]

Lions are king of their pride





Lebron and his pride followers


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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Stopped reading at 22

#stackedteam
#manufacturedresume

Makes sense. After points anything more is too "nuanced" for you.

Get ready for a long 2 months buddy. I expect perennial meltdowns from here on in.

[ArbitraryWater]

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[Shogon]

Stopped reading at 22

#stackedteam
#manufacturedresume

This is an incredibly false narrative.

There are precisely three players on the entire Lakers roster... three... that literally any team in the league would be happy to have... and one of them is overpaid which is why he ended up on the Lakers. They had a damn near empty roster.

LeBron, AD & Danny Green.

Rondo? Any team could have had him.
Dwight? Any team could have had him.
Waiters? Any team could have had him.
JR Smith? Any team could have had him.
McGree? Any team could have had him.
Bradley? Any team could have had him.
Cook? Any team could have had him.
Dudley? Any team could have had him.
KCP? Any team could have had him.

Caruso is on his rookie deal and he's a solid player but he gets that benefit of being overhyped because... it's the Lakers...
Kuzma is in the same category as Caruso.

I mean it's like you seem to forget that the entire roster is the land of misfit toys... only playing next to LeBron does this team get labeled as "stacked."

No, you raging ******. The stacked teams in the league are the Raptors and the Clippers.

Now **** off.

[tpols]

Say it with me guys.

Anthony. Davis.

[ArbitraryWater]

This is an incredibly false narrative.

There are precisely three players on the entire Lakers roster... three... that literally any team in the league would be happy to have... and one of them is overpaid which is why he ended up on the Lakers. They had a damn near empty roster.

LeBron, AD & Danny Green.

Rondo? Any team could have had him.
Dwight? Any team could have had him.
Waiters? Any team could have had him.
JR Smith? Any team could have had him.
McGree? Any team could have had him.
Bradley? Any team could have had him.
Cook? Any team could have had him.
Dudley? Any team could have had him.
KCP? Any team could have had him.

Caruso is on his rookie deal and he's a solid player but he gets that benefit of being overhyped because... it's the Lakers...
Kuzma is in the same category as Caruso.

I mean it's like you seem to forget that the entire roster is the land of misfit toys... only playing next to LeBron does this team get labeled as "stacked."

No, you raging ******. The stacked teams in the league are the Raptors and the Clippers.

Now **** off.

and the Celtics, and the Bucks, and the Sixers, and the Jazz!

Spot on though

[tpols]

This is an incredibly false narrative.

There are precisely three players on the entire Lakers roster... three... that literally any team in the league would be happy to have... and one of them is overpaid which is why he ended up on the Lakers. They had a damn near empty roster.

LeBron, AD & Danny Green.

Rondo? Any team could have had him.
Dwight? Any team could have had him.
Waiters? Any team could have had him.
JR Smith? Any team could have had him.
McGree? Any team could have had him.
Bradley? Any team could have had him.
Cook? Any team could have had him.
Dudley? Any team could have had him.
KCP? Any team could have had him.

Caruso is on his rookie deal and he's a solid player but he gets that benefit of being overhyped because... it's the Lakers...
Kuzma is in the same category as Caruso.

I mean it's like you seem to forget that the entire roster is the land of misfit toys... only playing next to LeBron does this team get labeled as "stacked."

No, you raging ******. The stacked teams in the league are the Raptors and the Clippers.

Now **** off.

You can say this about literally any team outside of its main stars. What a crock of shit. :lol

Just admit the man is playing with an MVP talent level sidekick, and mosey on pal.

[NBAGOAT]

Don’t think having 5 players who range from weak all nba to good starter(the jazz) is better than 2mvp guys 1 good starter and 2 average starters(lakers).

The jazz were good on paper but teams without a weak starter can get overrated if they don’t have any top 10 players.

[msbutthurt]

Don’t think having 5 players who range from weak all nba to good starter(the jazz) is better than 2mvp guys 1 good starter and 2 average starters(lakers).

The jazz were good on paper but teams without a weak starter can get overrated if they don’t have any top 10 players.


They would be if refs called games fairly.


Superstar calls are the dumbest thing I've ever seen... and they only exist for ratings/money.


Lebron can charge whenever and finish the game with 0 fouls even though he also fouls on defense as well... any other player would have 6 fouls within 20 minutes or less of playing.



Donaghy wasn't the only ref to rig games, they all did and still do. Refs do peer reviews of one another... you think Donaghy's crews didn't know what he was doing? You don't think the NBA didn't realize it as well? ........... THE NBA IS BEHIND IT. Pacers easily eliminate Lebron's Heat back to back years if refs aren't favoring the Little 3 for ratings and Vegas money.

[Shogon]

You can say this about literally any team outside of its main stars. What a crock of shit. :lol

Just admit the man is playing with an MVP talent level sidekick, and mosey on pal.

No, dumbass.

You can't say that about any team. Literally ALL of the guys I named were free agents this past summer and NOBODY was lining up to sign them. NOBODY. HALF OF THEM WERE OUT OF THE LEAGUE! NOBODY WANTED THEM. ZERO OTHER TEAMS. LOL.

You think the Clippers and Lakers are equal if you take away AD, LeBron, Kawhi & PG?

Please eh? **** off idiot.

[NBAGOAT]

They would be if refs called games fairly.

Superstar calls are the dumbest thing I've ever seen... and they only exist for ratings/money.


Lebron can charge whenever and finish the game with 0 fouls even though he also fouls on defense as well... any other player would have 6 fouls within 20 minutes or less of playing.



Donaghy wasn't the only ref to rig games, they all did and still do. Refs do peer reviews of one another... you think Donaghy's crews didn't know what he was doing? You don't think the NBA didn't realize it as well? ........... THE NBA IS BEHIND IT. Pacers easily eliminate Lebron's Heat back to back years if refs aren't favoring the Little 3 for ratings and Vegas money.

Well no the refs aren’t the reason the lakers are better than the jazz.

[ArbitraryWater]

You can say this about literally any team outside of its main stars. What a crock of shit. :lol

Just admit the man is playing with an MVP talent level sidekick, and mosey on pal.

try it.

Try it for LAC.

Try it for Denver.

Try it for Milwaukee.

Try it for Toronto.

Utah. Boston.

Oh, and only skip the top 2, cause thats the amount of stars LA has.

You can't.

They all have deep squads with players that were actually still relevant and wanted.

[tpols]

No, dumbass.

You can't say that about any team. Literally ALL of the guys I named were free agents this past summer and NOBODY was lining up to sign them. NOBODY. HALF OF THEM WERE OUT OF THE LEAGUE! NOBODY WANTED THEM. ZERO OTHER TEAMS. LOL.

You think the Clippers and Lakers are equal if you take away AD, LeBron, Kawhi & PG?

Please eh? **** off idiot.

Both teams would suck.

Last year the Clippers had all star Tobias Harris and Gallo both averaging 20+... take them off the team and the starting lineup would be total trash.

You really have no clue what you're talking about.

[ArbitraryWater]

Both teams would suck.

Last year the Clippers had all star Tobias Harris and Gallo both averaging 20+... take them off the team and the starting lineup would be total trash.

You really have no clue what you're talking about.

You‘re lying to yourself.

Lou/Morris/Montrez/Jackson/Zubac/Shamet is a .500 team.

The Lakers would win around 20 gms at best.

[tpols]

This is the Clippers starting lineup without Paul George and Kawhi.


Patrick Beverly
Landry Shamet
Marcus Morris
Maurice Harkless
Ivika Zubac


:roll:

^^^ That's who started the most games for the Clippers this year outside of PG13 and Leonard.

That's a lotto team. Last year they had Harris, Gallinari, and SGA putting up a combined 50 ppg of production.

You guys are clowns.

[RRR3]

This is the Clippers starting lineup without Paul George and Kawhi.


Patrick Beverly
Landry Shamet
Marcus Morris
Maurice Harkless
Ivika Zubac


:roll:


That's a lotto team. Last year they had Harris, Gallinari, and SGA putting up a combined 50 ppg of production.

You guys are clowns.
You seem a bit riled up, everything ok?

[NBAGOAT]

Both teams would suck.

Last year the Clippers had Tobias Harris and Gallo both averaging 20... take them off the team and the starting lineup would be total trash.

You really have no clue what you're talking about.

You don’t really have a point since they did fine after they traded Tobias. Lou and Harrell would likely become starters. Bev, Lou, Morris, jamychal and Harrell with zubac, shamet, Reggie off the bench isn’t a playoff team but not trash either. Maybe a decent 30+ win team if they switch Morris or jamychal for a decent 3.

Tbf there is some hindsight bias going on for sure for some other teams. Vanvleet and Powell were not hot commodities during the off-season. People didn’t know Hayward would become really good. Miami was Butler, bam, dragic and a bunch of no names.

[ArbitraryWater]

It doesnt matter if its a lotto team or not, thats still 20 wins better than the Lakers without LBJ and AD.


Sad to see you have to lie to yourself.


And yeah, Montrezl just wouldnt start right?

I even forgot Bev.

Thats an easy 40 win team.

Dumbass

[ArbitraryWater]

You seem a bit riled up, everything ok?

He knows he‘s wrong and is throwing a fit so he wont habe to confront himself with an uncomfortable truth.


Like a little child.

[tpols]

Harrell only started 2 games this year. Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris, and Harkless all started way more games than him so to assume he'd be starting makes no sense. A team led by lou williams and landry shamet and pat bev isn't making any noise. Especially when their big men are harkless, and zubac. Harrell might be the best player on that team lol. It's a straight lotto squad.

[r0drig0lac]

You‘re lying to yourself.

Lou/Morris/Montrez/Jackson/Zubac/Shamet is a .500 team.

The Lakers would win around 20 gms at best.

no way

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The lengths a hater will go. Damn.

Logic and reason are obstacles in their path :oldlol:

[NBAGOAT]

Harrell only started 2 games this year. Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris, and Harkless all started way more games than him so to assume he'd be starting makes no sense. A team led by lou williams and landry shamet and pat bev isn't making any noise. Especially when their big men are harkless, and zubac. Harrell might be the best player on that team lol. It's a straight lotto squad.

They do that because they don’t need extra scoring from their starters. That obviously goes out the window if you just take kawhi and George from the team for nothing.

Idk if it’s a lotto squad. Their bench is pretty decent. There’s only a weakness at sf and they can trade jamychal or Morris for one. It’s still one of the better ones in the league and it’s not supposed to be because kawhi and George are top stars.

You take Mitchell and gobert off Utah and it’s conley/clarkson/Bojan/Royce/Bradley with ingles and mudiay off the bench. That team’s not better than the clips and Utah was supposed to be one the most balanced in the league. Only one that sticks out as better for me is Toronto with vanvleet/Powell/og/ibaka/gasol.

[RRR3]

The lengths a hater will go. Damn.

Logic and reason are obstacles in their path :oldlol:
Tpols has never been the same since 2016 :lol

[LAmbruh]

WEST IS A BLOODBATH!!!


17th SEASON AND 1st SEED!!


WOOOOOOOO

[ArbitraryWater]

Harrell only started 2 games this year..

Why do you think that is?

You are a massive idiot.

[ArbitraryWater]

This man thinks

Bev/Reggie Jackson
Lou Will/Shamet
Marcus Morris/Mann
Montrezl Harrell/JaMychal Green
Zubac/Noah

is as good as

Caruso/Cook
Green/KCP
Kuzma/Waiters
Morris
Howard/McGee

reaching new lows

[Roundball_Rock]

Stopped reading at 22

#stackedteam
#manufacturedresume

How does a guy who by his own admission hasn't watched a game since 2011 know who is or isn't stacked?


Get ready for a long 2 months buddy. I expect perennial meltdowns from here on in.

:oldlol:

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:roll:


You can say this about literally any team outside of its main stars

:biggums:


Don’t think having 5 players who range from weak all nba to good starter(the jazz) is better than 2mvp guys 1 good starter and 2 average starters(lakers).

Agreed. Superstars are what usually separate the top teams from teams like the Jazz. They can get away with it in a series (ask PG and Westbrook) but you aren't going to win four rounds without a superstar(s), outside of rare cases like the 04' Pistons.


Both teams would suck.

Last year the Clippers had all star Tobias Harris and Gallo both averaging 20+... take them off the team and the starting lineup would be total trash.

That's not how it works--you take the 2 best players off every team, not take the two best off the Clippers and compare than to the other 29 fully intact teams. :facepalm

Clippers have the best roster pretty easily if you remove each team's two best players and most people would say they do 1-12 as well. Their fifth or sixth best player was scoring 20 PPG in New York earlier in the year. :oldlol:

[tpols]

They do that because they don’t need extra scoring from their starters. That obviously goes out the window if you just take kawhi and George from the team for nothing.

Idk if it’s a lotto squad. Their bench is pretty decent. There’s only a weakness at sf and they can trade jamychal or Morris for one. It’s still one of the better ones in the league and it’s not supposed to be because kawhi and George are top stars.

You take Mitchell and gobert off Utah and it’s conley/clarkson/Bojan/Royce/Bradley with ingles and mudiay off the bench. That team’s not better than the clips and Utah was supposed to be one the most balanced in the league. Only one that sticks out as better for me is Toronto with vanvleet/Powell/og/ibaka/gasol.

Even with all the load management, thats how it went. Shamet started 27 games, Lou only 8. Harkless started 38, Harrell only 2. The management clearly sees they are far more effective coming off the bench, but lets say you start them... then, you have a mediocre starting lineup with zero true star power, and a horrible bench. That team isnt winning anything in a west where Dame & CJ are a 9-10 seed.

I'm just being objective here with you.

That utah team you laid out isnt anything special either. I mean, it's all role players outside of conley, and even hes a fringe all star type. Those types of teams are all losing record squads in a West where the Blazers and Spurs can barely make an 8 seed.

[Clippersfan86]

This man thinks

Bev/Reggie Jackson
Lou Will/Shamet
Marcus Morris/Mann
Montrezl Harrell/JaMychal Green
Zubac/Noah

is as good as

Caruso/Cook
Green/KCP
Kuzma/Waiters
Morris
Howard/McGee

reaching new lows

What people love to not acknowledge is after trading Harris last year, the Clippers got better with Shamet+Zubac. So just saying "They lost a 20 ppg scorer!" is silly. The Clippers had a rotating door due to injuries all last year (and this year it's not much better TBH). I find it insane that anyone would think the Clippers don't have a 10+ win gap on the Lakers if you remove the 4 superstars. Like... it's not even close. Lakers depth is underrated overall, but it's nowhere near elite. Clippers depth on the other hand is tier 1 and probably the best in the NBA.

I agree with whoever said the Clippers are a 30-40 win team maybe without those superstars. Lakers would be lucky to win 20. Harrell doesn't start because Doc likes his PNR pairing with Lou, but he's basically playing the entire 2nd half anyway. Morris has been bad, largely because he's been moved completely off ball as like a 5th or 6th scoring option. If the Clippers were bad, I imagine he would go back to more of a Knicks type role where he's on the ball a lot more, taking a lot more shots. You'd still have 55+ points most likely between Lou+Harrell+Morris. Then you have Shamet with a bigger role. Green is still a really good backup big as a stretch PF/C. I also think Mann+Kabengele have showed good promise and would get some minutes.

Clippers actually have more depth that we know. We traded Jerome Robinson who was struggling to find a place, and now he's thriving with the Wizards. In 3 bubble games Jerome is putting up 16.5 ppg, 3 rpg, 1.5 apg in about 29 mpg on 45/40/70 ish shooting splits. Not overly efficient game to game, but improved. I have no doubt if we traded guys like Mann/Kabengele to a lesser team, they would be in the rotation. These guys aren't scrubs. I'm still pissed off we didn't draft MPJ as we were expected to.

[Shogon]

This man thinks

Bev/Reggie Jackson
Lou Will/Shamet
Marcus Morris/Mann
Montrezl Harrell/JaMychal Green
Zubac/Noah

is as good as

Caruso/Cook
Green/KCP
Kuzma/Waiters
Morris
Howard/McGee

reaching new lows

:roll:

Look, neither team would contend. We all know this. But the Clippers have a deeper team. Anyone who says otherwise is a lying agenda pushing idiot.

IMO that Clippers team wins 30-35 games... the Lakers team wins around 20 or less.

At an absolute bare minimum, there is roughly a 10 game win difference. That's significant. It's not to be overlooked.

[NBAGOAT]

Even with all the load management, thats how it went. Shamet started 27 games, Lou only 8. Harkless started 38, Harrell only 2. The management clearly sees they are far more effective coming off the bench, but lets say you start them... then, you have a mediocre starting lineup with zero true star power, and a horrible bench. That team isnt winning anything in a west where Dame & CJ are a 9-10 seed.

I'm just being objective here with you.

That utah team you laid out isnt anything special either. I mean, it's all role players outside of conley, and even hes a fringe all star type. Those types of teams are all losing record squads in a West where the Blazers and Spurs can barely make an 8 seed.

well it's not worth changing your lineup when you're load managing for a handful of games, it's a different story for a whole season. being a starter doesnt even matter that much, we know lou and harrell are going be playing heavy minutes 30-35. also why are you comparing to a healthy portland. I only estimated a 30-35 win total to gauge how good they are but we're looking at all teams without their top 2 players. The large majority of teams without their top 2 wouldnt win 25 games. the clippers are in the top 3 at least imo and that's impressive when they have the top end talent too compared to say tor, bos, mia, utah, okc.

[Clippersfan86]

:roll:

Look, neither team would contend. We all know this. But the Clippers have a deeper team. Anyone who says otherwise is a lying agenda pushing idiot.

IMO that Clippers team wins 30-35 games... the Lakers team wins around 20 or less.

At an absolute bare minimum, there is roughly a 10 game win difference. That's significant. It's not to be overlooked.

Correct. More realistically 15 games. Clippers would have basically 3 guys in Lou+Harrell+Morris capable of averaging a sustained 18-22 ppg. Beverley still has high two way impact. Then they still have other role players like Shamet+Green+Zubac.

[Roundball_Rock]

Does any team even have a case for a better roster 3-12 than the Clippers?

The argument people usually put forward the Lakers basically is Davis's superiority over George (with people saying LeBron=Kawhi, is slightly better or slightly worse) and for the Bucks is Giannis arguably being the best player in the league (for the record, I have Giannis #1 followed by Kawhi), but other than tpols and some others no one argues the Lakers have a better roster overall.

[ArbitraryWater]

:roll:

Look, neither team would contend. We all know this. But the Clippers have a deeper team. Anyone who says otherwise is a lying agenda pushing idiot.

IMO that Clippers team wins 30-35 games... the Lakers team wins around 20 or less.

At an absolute bare minimum, there is roughly a 10 game win difference. That's significant. It's not to be overlooked.


Correct. More realistically 15 games. Clippers would have basically 3 guys in Lou+Harrell+Morris capable of averaging a sustained 18-22 ppg. Beverley still has high two way impact. Then they still have other role players like Shamet+Green+Zubac.

luckily massive retards such as tpols seem to be rare

[Shogon]

Correct. More realistically 15 games. Clippers would have basically 3 guys in Lou+Harrell+Morris capable of averaging a sustained 18-22 ppg. Beverley still has high two way impact. Then they still have other role players like Shamet+Green+Zubac.

You're probably right.

In any event, I fully expect you guys to win it all. And while I'm rooting for LeBron and I really loathe the idea of people propping up Kawhi's all time greatness, it would be pretty cool to see the Clippers get a championship.

[Clippersfan86]

well it's not worth changing your lineup when you're load managing for a handful of games, it's a different story for a whole season. being a starter doesnt even matter that much, we know lou and harrell are going be playing heavy minutes 30-35. also why are you comparing to a healthy portland. I only estimated a 30-35 win total to gauge how good they are but we're looking at all teams without their top 2 players. The large majority of teams without their top 2 wouldnt win 25 games. the clippers are in the top 3 at least imo and that's impressive when they have the top end talent too compared to say tor, bos, mia, utah, okc.

I don't know why people downplay the Clippers supporting cast. It's been happening the last 3 years. The most common being "Well they cheat the system because Lou+Harrell are starters anyway". I mean let's just be honest, the Clippers aren't overly top heavy. They are a legit 10 deep.

Watch Harrell demolish the Lopez twins and even Giannis in this game.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBl4pxzk22o&t=36s

Then Lou


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqvCIk9mK8w

People act like players won't step up individually.

[Clippersfan86]

You're probably right.

In any event, I fully expect you guys to win it all. And while I'm rooting for LeBron and I really loathe the idea of people propping up Kawhi's all time greatness, it would be pretty cool to see the Clippers get a championship.

I still go back and forth between Lakers, Bucks, Clippers. Part of me has some creeping feeling that the Bucks historically dominant metrics+differential won't be denied. Another part is worried about Lebron and AD going supernova in a series. The Clippers some days I feel their depth+Kawhi will take them over the top, but then the other two things kick in. I'm a mess.

[Clippersfan86]

Does any team even have a case for a better roster 3-12 than the Clippers?

The argument people usually put forward the Lakers basically is Davis's superiority over George (with people saying LeBron=Kawhi, is slightly better or slightly worse) and for the Bucks is Giannis arguably being the best player in the league (for the record, I have Giannis #1 followed by Kawhi), but other than tpols and some others no one argues the Lakers have a better roster overall.

Doubt it. I agree with your specified reasons. Giannis is the best, Bucks defense is historically absurd. Lakers it's the two superstars and how good their chemistry is that puts them over the top. I've not heard many people argue their depth being on par with the Clippers.

[NBAGOAT]

Does any team even have a case for a better roster 3-12 than the Clippers?

the raptors are better 3-7 imo but they dont have great depth. Miami might be close with nunn/herro/robinson/crowder/kelly with dragic/iggy/jones/meyers off the bench.

[Clippersfan86]

luckily massive retards such as tpols seem to be rare

Yea, the Lakers are by no means a BAD bench. I'd say they are middle of the pack (which is better than some give them credit for). I just think the brilliance of Lebron+AD+their overall team chemistry and focus put them over the top for sure. One thing that's not being said enough is how damn good of a job Vogel and Kidd have done. I love coaches that get another chance and thrive. Vogel did amazing with Indiana early on, then suddenly wore out his welcome it seems. With Lakers he seems to have done a good job of knowing when to coach, and when to step back and let the players do their thing. His rotations overall are fantastic. I can't help but feel like every Lakers vs Clippers game Vogel has badly outcoached Doc.

[Shogon]

I still go back and forth between Lakers, Bucks, Clippers. Part of me has some creeping feeling that the Bucks historically dominant metrics+differential won't be denied. Another part is worried about Lebron and AD going supernova in a series. The Clippers some days I feel their depth+Kawhi will take them over the top, but then the other two things kick in. I'm a mess.

I think we're in complete agreement it'll be one of those three teams. I favor the Clippers but ultimately none of the three would surprise me. I guess the Raptors are a super dark horse pick but I don't think they have the star that will put them over the top like last year.

Clippers 45%
Lakers 25%
Bucks 25%
Raptors 5%

That's... roughly where I'm at, currently. Short of an injury, I don't expect my feelings to change.

If Avery Bradley were still around I would put the Lakers and Clippers closer to being even, but... he isn't.

[RRR3]

I still go back and forth between Lakers, Bucks, Clippers. Part of me has some creeping feeling that the Bucks historically dominant metrics+differential won't be denied. Another part is worried about Lebron and AD going supernova in a series. The Clippers some days I feel their depth+Kawhi will take them over the top, but then the other two things kick in. I'm a mess.
I wouldn’t be worried about the Bucks. If you guys beat the Lakers, you’ve already won. The Bucks are fools gold and I personally don’t see them making the finals. You shut down Giannis and it’s over. Middleton isn’t cutting it as a second option.

[Shogon]

I just noticed the Clippers were a fairly mediocre 19 and 14 on the road.

Talk about a huge benefit to them not having to play in front of opposing crowds. lol.

Then again, as I've said, they've hardly taken the regular season seriously.

[AirBonner]

I just noticed the Clippers were a fairly mediocre 19 and 14 on the road.

Talk about a huge benefit to them not having to play in front of opposing crowds. lol.

Then again, as I've said, they've hardly taken the regular season seriously.

That’s pretty bad. On paper this is a 70 win team

[NBAGOAT]

I wouldn’t be worried about the Bucks. If you guys beat the Lakers, you’ve already won. The Bucks are fools gold and I personally don’t see them making the finals. You shut down Giannis and it’s over. Middleton isn’t cutting it as a second option.

That is bold and I disagree. Ik raptors are the popular pick but I don’t think they can score enough vs mil. even though they have 5 guys putting up 16ppg, their offense is average and siakam isnt an elite go to guy yet.

Boston is better at scoring but don’t think they can guard Giannis and Middleton has killed them multiple years in the playoffs. Tatum is farther along as a scorer than siakam but I don’t think he’s there as a go to guy either.

Miami matches up well with them but don’t think they’re talented enough and they’re really reliant on their 3s going on from their young guys. Philly is a shitshow, hard to have confidence in then even with their talent

[Clippersfan86]

I just noticed the Clippers were a fairly mediocre 19 and 14 on the road.

Talk about a huge benefit to them not having to play in front of opposing crowds. lol.

Then again, as I've said, they've hardly taken the regular season seriously.

They project to a 67 win team when their core is intact. I think a lot of that had to do with guys being out. Although being over .500 on road is average or normal for their win total. Remember we aren't getting a full 82 games and look at the remaining games the Clippers had. They had one of the easiest remaining schedules.

[ArbitraryWater]

I wouldn’t be worried about the Bucks. If you guys beat the Lakers, you’ve already won. The Bucks are fools gold and I personally don’t see them making the finals. You shut down Giannis and it’s over. Middleton isn’t cutting it as a second option.

bold and bs

[Roundball_Rock]

Doubt it. I agree with your specified reasons. Giannis is the best, Bucks defense is historically absurd. Lakers it's the two superstars and how good their chemistry is that puts them over the top. I've not heard many people argue their depth being on par with the Clippers.

Yeah and the gap between Giannis and Kawhi and Davis and PG are debatable. I don't think there is a large gap between Giannis and Kawhi. Davis is on another tier than PG (top 5 player versus top 10) but that isn't enough IMO to overcome Kawhi>LeBron at this point of their careers and the Clippers>>>the Lakers 3-12.


the raptors are better 3-7 imo but they dont have great depth. Miami might be close with nunn/herro/robinson/crowder/kelly with dragic/iggy/jones/meyers off the bench.

Good calls, although I'd take LAC I see the case for the other two teams. So Clippers are no worse than #3 3-12 even if we put Miami and Toronto ahead of them.


Clippers 45%
Lakers 25%
Bucks 25%
Raptors 5%

Not giving the Rockets a chance? I would go:

Clippers 40%
Lakers 25%
Bucks 20%
Rockets 10%
Rest 5% (Raptors, Celtics being the most likely "rest" candidates)

[Shogon]

Yeah and the gap between Giannis and Kawhi and Davis and PG are debatable. I don't think there is a large gap between Giannis and Kawhi. Davis is on another tier than PG (top 5 player versus top 10) but that isn't enough IMO to overcome Kawhi>LeBron at this point of their careers and the Clippers>>>the Lakers 3-12.



Good calls, although I'd take LAC I see the case for the other two teams. So Clippers are no worse than #3 3-12 even if we put Miami and Toronto ahead of them.



Not giving the Rockets a chance? I would go:

Clippers 40%
Lakers 25%
Bucks 20%
Rockets 10%
Rest 5% (Raptors, Celtics being the most likely "rest" candidates)

I don't believe in James Harden. Plus, I really really hate his game. I'm sure that clouds my judgement. **** James Harden. 0%.

Raptors should change to like 2.5% and I should just say the other 2.5% goes to other... I mean hey, freaky shit happens. But James Harden? Nah. I hate everything that guy stands for on a basketball court. He's a gigantic piece of shit.

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