Is Luka more Westbrook or Lebron?

[StrongLurk]

It seems pretty obvious that he is on pace to potentially have even better career "basic" stats than Lebron.

Luka is pretty much at 25/9/7 and he is only 129 games in. His averages will continue to rise.

Luka is also leading the number 1 offense in the league...idk but it feels like he is not getting enough hype. I guess that being white and not an explosive athlete isn't as "exciting" as young Lebron was, but Luka certainly seems more polished than Lebron was at this stage of their careers.

Are the Lebron stans not going to flock to Luka?

[tpols]

Lebron and Westbrook outrank Luka a lot athletically, but he can shoot/space better than both. IQ wise Lebron and Luka both shits on Westbrook. So what it comes down to is Russell is totally out of the picture, but it's possible Luka could match Lebron given his larry bird trajectory. Looong road to do so though, Lebron is a top 10 GOAT.

[Marchesk]

I was going to say he's more Harden than Westbrook, but then I looked at his 3P% and damn. He takes a lot, but he misses a lot. At least durning Westbrook's MVP season, he was hitting on 34.3% with lots of volume.

But I guess that's modern analytics for you. Spam long step back threes and it's all good.

20 rebounds is crazy though.

[Tobio-Star]

Lebron and Westbrook outrank Luka a lot athletically, but he can shoot/space better than both. IQ wise Lebron and Luka both shits on Westbrook. So what it comes down to is Russell is totally out of the picture, but it's possible Luka could match Lebron given his larry bird trajectory. Looong road to do so though, Lebron is a top 10 GOAT.

I totally agree with you. As much as I love him, Westbrook definitely isn't as good as Luka especially IQ and shooting wise

[Ghost1]

he kinda stopped spamming threes after the disaster in the first bubble game... played a different game against the suns

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he needs to improve free throws and threes % and add a midrange jumper

[RRR3]

I love how people insist Luka is some elite shooter when dude is shooting 31.2% from 3 (not counting today)

[Marchesk]

I love how people insist Luka is some elite shooter when dude is shooting 31.2% from 3 (not counting today)

Also only a 75.5% FT shooter. That's not elite. Redick and Curry are elite shooters.

[SATAN]

Over rated stat padder

[r0drig0lac]

It seems pretty obvious that he is on pace to potentially have even better career "basic" stats than Lebron.

Luka is pretty much at 25/9/7 and he is only 129 games in. His averages will continue to rise.

Luka is also leading the number 1 offense in the league...idk but it feels like he is not getting enough hype. I guess that being white and not an explosive athlete isn't as "exciting" as young Lebron was, but Luka certainly seems more polished than Lebron was at this stage of their careers.

Are the Lebron stans not going to flock to Luka?
lmao ok

[tpols]

I was going to say he's more Harden than Westbrook, but then I looked at his 3P% and damn. He takes a lot, but he misses a lot. At least durning Westbrook's MVP season, he was hitting on 34.3% with lots of volume.

But I guess that's modern analytics for you. Spam long step back threes and it's all good.

20 rebounds is crazy though.

The main difference is luka is a rookie and westbrook was at his peak. If luka is still choking games constantly and shooting like shit in his dead prime, there will be serious questions around him.

[ralph_i_el]

I was going to say he's more Harden than Westbrook, but then I looked at his 3P% and damn. He takes a lot, but he misses a lot. At least durning Westbrook's MVP season, he was hitting on 34.3% with lots of volume.

But I guess that's modern analytics for you. Spam long step back threes and it's all good.

20 rebounds is crazy though.

Harden didn't start shooting this volume of 3's until he got to Houston though.

[Roundball_Rock]

His peak stats will crush theirs, unless the rules are changed. Offense is too easy under these cake rules. If he is 29/9/9 at age 20 imagine his peak numbers. Some people in another thread argued there isn't room for growth but how many superstars peak at 20 (assuming they have healthy careers)? He is going to put up something like 34/11/12 at his peak.

I am waiting to see when the Luka as GOAT talk begins, because if he goes 34/11/12 that would dwarf (on paper) 37/5/5 or 30/8/7.

Eventually people will recognize the video game numbers and stop comparing stats from this era to past eras. So comparing Luka going 34/11/12 in 2027 won't tell us anything about him compared to peak LeBron or peak Westbrook or peak anyone outside of this era and the 60's. The key will be to compare Luka's numbers relative to his contemporaries and that will influence how those numbers are perceived. Luka's 29/9/9 is already "cheapened" by what Westbrook did and vice versa.

[Bronbron23]

It seems pretty obvious that he is on pace to potentially have even better career "basic" stats than Lebron.

Luka is pretty much at 25/9/7 and he is only 129 games in. His averages will continue to rise.

Luka is also leading the number 1 offense in the league...idk but it feels like he is not getting enough hype. I guess that being white and not an explosive athlete isn't as "exciting" as young Lebron was, but Luka certainly seems more polished than Lebron was at this stage of their careers.

Are the Lebron stans not going to flock to Luka?

At this stage in brons career he was in a much tougher defensive era so its hard to compare them using stats. One thing for sure luka dosnt like physical play. He literally complains every trip down the floor now so hed probably take a panic attack if you put him in the early/ mid 2000's.

If were using the eye test lebron is easily the better player. Hes was way more athletic and a way better defender. Skill wise its alot closer although im not really sure where luka has the edge? Bron was a better finisher and as good of shooter. There seems to be a misconception that luka can shoot but he really cant. He's in the easiest era ever for shooters and hes still shooting a mediocre percentage. Luka is nice but Lebron was better and its not close.

[Facepalm]

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[tontoz]

I love how people insist Luka is some elite shooter when dude is shooting 31.2% from 3 (not counting today)

Yeah his j is actually his weakness on offense. His ball handling and playmaking are elite.

I am not a big fan of the way he shoots or how often he shoots. He isn't a good enough shooter to be taking so many step back 3s. That should be an end of clock only option for him.

As to the topic... Westbrook? lol Luka has gotten plenty of hype. I believe he said himself that he modeled his game after Lebron and it shows.

[StrongLurk]

His peak stats will crush theirs, unless the rules are changed. Offense is too easy under these cake rules. If he is 29/9/9 at age 20 imagine his peak numbers. Some people in another thread argued there isn't room for growth but how many superstars peak at 20 (assuming they have healthy careers)? He is going to put up something like 34/11/12 at his peak.

I am waiting to see when the Luka as GOAT talk begins, because if he goes 34/11/12 that would dwarf (on paper) 37/5/5 or 30/8/7.

Eventually people will recognize the video game numbers and stop comparing stats from this era to past eras. So comparing Luka going 34/11/12 in 2027 won't tell us anything about him compared to peak LeBron or peak Westbrook or peak anyone outside of this era and the 60's. The key will be to compare Luka's numbers relative to his contemporaries and that will influence how those numbers are perceived. Luka's 29/9/9 is already "cheapened" by what Westbrook did and vice versa.

We tend to agree on things...but I think you are being a little defensive here. I am a big Lebron fan but I think Luka at end of year 2 is > Lebron at end of year 2 (I understand there is a small age difference).

As much as you want to say his numbers are getting a huge boost due to defense in this era...Luka also plays FAR less minutes than Bron did in the mid-2000s (like 8-10 minutes less per game). If you are really going to harp on the "era" thing, then some of the arguments I've seen you make about MJ/Lebron and those different eras are invalid.

PER 100 - This year Luka is basically at 42/13/13 (some rounding). For his first two seasons combined, he is at 36/12/11.

PER 100 - Lebron's first 2 years is at 31/8/9. If we ignore Lebron's rookie year and just go with his 2nd and 3rd year - 37/9/9

So Luka's first 2 years = 36/12/11
Lebron's year 2/3 = 37/9/9

Lebron also had a down year for him in the 06-07 season after his first playoff failure (yes I am aware Lebron made the finals in 07, but that year was so weak for the East. Pretty much all measurable signs of play show that 05/06 Lebron was better then 06/07 Lebron). I am interested to see what Luka does in the playoffs this year and how he follows up his inevitable failure (i.e. losing in the playoffs) next year.

[Bronbron23]

We tend to agree on things...but I think you are being a little defensive here. I am a big Lebron fan but I think Luka at end of year 2 is > Lebron at end of year 2 (I understand there is a small age difference).

As much as you want to say his numbers are getting a huge boost due to defense in this era...Luka also plays FAR less minutes than Bron did in the mid-2000s (like 8-10 minutes less per game). If you are really going to harp on the "era" thing, then some of the arguments I've seen you make about MJ/Lebron and those different eras are invalid.

PER 100 - This year Luka is basically at 42/13/13 (some rounding). For his first two seasons combined, he is at 36/12/11.

PER 100 - Lebron's first 2 years is at 31/8/9. If we ignore Lebron's rookie year and just go with his 2nd and 3rd year - 37/9/9

So Luka's first 2 years = 36/12/11
Lebron's year 2/3 = 37/9/9

Lebron also had a down year for him in the 06-07 season after his first playoff failure (yes I am aware Lebron made the finals in 07, but that year was so weak for the East. Pretty much all measurable signs of play show that 05/06 Lebron was better then 06/07 Lebron). I am interested to see what Luka does in the playoffs this year and how he follows up his inevitable failure (i.e. losing in the playoffs) next year.

Per isnt great when comparing era's and or different systems. When bron was Luka's age defenses were much tougher. pace was also down so its much easier to score and get assists in this era.

If you look at eye test, bron is better. More athletic, better finisher, as good of a shooter, better passer and way better defender theres literally no argument for luka.

[Bronbron23]

We tend to agree on things...but I think you are being a little defensive here. I am a big Lebron fan but I think Luka at end of year 2 is > Lebron at end of year 2 (I understand there is a small age difference).

As much as you want to say his numbers are getting a huge boost due to defense in this era...Luka also plays FAR less minutes than Bron did in the mid-2000s (like 8-10 minutes less per game). If you are really going to harp on the "era" thing, then some of the arguments I've seen you make about MJ/Lebron and those different eras are invalid.

PER 100 - This year Luka is basically at 42/13/13 (some rounding). For his first two seasons combined, he is at 36/12/11.

PER 100 - Lebron's first 2 years is at 31/8/9. If we ignore Lebron's rookie year and just go with his 2nd and 3rd year - 37/9/9

So Luka's first 2 years = 36/12/11
Lebron's year 2/3 = 37/9/9

Lebron also had a down year for him in the 06-07 season after his first playoff failure (yes I am aware Lebron made the finals in 07, but that year was so weak for the East. Pretty much all measurable signs of play show that 05/06 Lebron was better then 06/07 Lebron). I am interested to see what Luka does in the playoffs this year and how he follows up his inevitable failure (i.e. losing in the playoffs) next year.

Per isnt great when comparing era's and or different systems. When bron was Luka's age defenses were much tougher. pace was also down so its much easier to score and get assists in this era.

If you look at eye test, bron is better. More athletic, better finisher, as good of a shooter, better passer and way better defender theres literally no argument for luka.

[Lion's pride]

I guess it would be normal to assume that Luka's stats will go even higher since he is only 20/21 years old. But I actually think Luka and Dallas can't get to a higher level unless they get someone else besides him and KP in scoring.. So "if" Dallas gets another scorer, Luka's usage should go down, but maybe get more efficient..

But by the same time, It looks like he rather be a Harden/Westbrook type and get his stats and lose, than to lessen his "shine" and win games..

If he really is good, and not a regular season stat stuffer, then show me in the playoff.. If Dallas has the top offense in the regular season, then show me in the playoffs..

[Shooter]

No one else is LeBron

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[Roundball_Rock]

I am a big Lebron fan but I think Luka at end of year 2 is > Lebron at end of year 2 (I understand there is a small age difference).

I actually agree.


As much as you want to say his numbers are getting a huge boost due to defense in this era...Luka also plays FAR less minutes than Bron did in the mid-2000s (like 8-10 minutes less per game). If you are really going to harp on the "era" thing, then some of the arguments I've seen you make about MJ/Lebron and those different eras are invalid.

I've been saying everyone's numbers, especially perimeter players, have their numbers boosted in this era and the trend is bigger and bigger numbers. Just look even 5 years ago. Minutes are down but the defenses are so soft they are getting so much done in less minutes (as per 36 or per 100 numbers would show).

Team competition level is a different discussion. It was harder for MJ to generate individual stats back then even if he had the best team which gave him an edge in getting team success. People go over the top in saying MJ would average 50 if he played today but he was 37/5/5 in the 80's and 33/7/6 in the 90's. Presumably he would be close to 40 PPG today.


I guess it would be normal to assume that Luka's stats will go even higher since he is only 20/21 years old. But I actually think Luka and Dallas can't get to a higher level unless they get someone else besides him and KP in scoring.. So "if" Dallas gets another scorer, Luka's usage should go down, but maybe get more efficient..

That is a possible scenario but Dallas could strengthen its team and Luka's stats keep rising if the "tide" of stats keeps rising. Look at LeBron. As he has declined individually as he has aged it hasn't shown up in stats because the tide is increasing everyone's numbers, offsetting what would be a natural decline otherwise.

[Lion's pride]

I actually agree.



I've been saying everyone's numbers, especially perimeter players, have their numbers boosted in this era and the trend is bigger and bigger numbers. Just look even 5 years ago. Minutes are down but the defenses are so soft they are getting so much done in less minutes (as per 36 or per 100 numbers would show).

Team competition level is a different discussion. It was harder for MJ to generate individual stats back then even if he had the best team which gave him an edge in getting team success. People go over the top in saying MJ would average 50 if he played today but he was 37/5/5 in the 80's and 33/7/6 in the 90's. Presumably he would be close to 40 PPG today.



That is a possible scenario but Dallas could strengthen its team and Luka's stats keep rising if the "tide" of stats keeps rising. Look at LeBron. As he has declined individually as he has aged it hasn't shown up in stats because the tide is increasing everyone's numbers, offsetting what would be a natural decline otherwise.

All good points..

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Luka is great but in a league where everyone eats, it is hard to estimate the value he brings. Historically anyway.

Lebron was a better player at Luka's age imo. Shot the three better, was a better finisher and arguably as good of a playmaker. RPM wasn't available then although Bron's impact was great too, averaging a 8.6 BPM. Luka for comparison sake is at 8.2 this season. Bron also did all this during one of the greatest defensive eras. Will be interesting watching Luka in the playoffs though. Don't know if he will be able to maintain his efficiency against a good defensive club. To be fair, I don't think he would be putting up the numbers he has now had he played 15 years ago.

All of this might sound one sided and critical. But we're comparing Luka to one of the best players of all time.

[NBAGOAT]

He’s a lebron/harden mix(which makes the lack of hate for him a little surprising).

His scoring game is more like hardens using craftiness handle and footwork to get to the rim instead of a super quick first step and athleticism. Not saying he has a slow first step at all. Lot of foul drawing and most 3s are unassisted stepback. Thicc body to finish through contact. Hardens just a bit better and smarter at scoring Including much better from 3.

The rest of his game is more like brons. Making some great passes and reads already, rebounds a lot. Again brons just better and smarter at the non scoring stuff. Well defense is more similar to harden when he was lazy, he’s not very good right now.

Lukas 20 so the fact that I’m bringing up those 2 guys is ridiculous but that’s what happens when you have a mvp lvl year your 2nd year in the league.

[Roundball_Rock]

The hate is inevitable. This year he is on a 7 seed and he wasn't a real MVP candidate (two player race this year). As his teams improve, he wins MVPs, his stats improve he will get hate especially if he becomes "the guy" for the 20's, although Giannis and Zion will have something to say about that.

[ralph_i_el]

Luka is great but in a league where everyone eats, it is hard to estimate the value he brings. Historically anyway.

Lebron was a better player at Luka's age imo. Shot the three better, was a better finisher and arguably as good of a playmaker. RPM wasn't available then although Bron's impact was great too, averaging a 8.6 BPM. Luka for comparison sake is at 8.2 this season. Bron also did all this during one of the greatest defensive eras. Will be interesting watching Luka in the playoffs though. Don't know if he will be able to maintain his efficiency against a good defensive club. To be fair, I don't think he would be putting up the numbers he has now had he played 15 years ago.

All of this might sound one sided and critical. But we're comparing Luka to one of the best players of all time.

Bron was shooting half as many 3's per game as Luka, and they were generally lower degree of difficulty 3's. Watching old LeBron games, a lot of his 3's are face up 3's where his defender has sagged off him, because they're so afraid of his drives.

[Bronbron23]

Bron was shooting half as many 3's per game as Luka, and they were generally lower degree of difficulty 3's. Watching old LeBron games, a lot of his 3's are face up 3's where his defender has sagged off him, because they're so afraid of his drives.

the fact that luka shoots almost 10 threes a game and isnt a great three point shooter shouldn't be used for an argument for him. He shoots way to many threes. Part of the reason for this is hes not as great of a finisher as people think. Like alot of players now days he takes advantage of the rules, pace and open space. In half court sets though against tough defenses you often see him struggle to get to the hole and with little to no post game and mid range he really has no choice but to rely on tough step back threes.

If mavs make it to the finals i expect luka to struggle some deep in playoffs where the game slows down and defenses are allowed to be more physical.

[ArbitraryWater]

what about Luka is Westbrook?


This nikka OP on a bball forum everyday and still doesnt understand the sport lol

[ralph_i_el]

Shooting 31% on 3's is basically as efficient as Kevin Durant's midrange game when he played for OKC. The difference is, KD could create a midrange 2 whenever he wanted....but Luka can create a 3 whenever he wants. The problem with this is, when you only need 1 point, it's nice to be able to get 46% look from 2 vs. a 32% look from 3. It impacts Luka's performance at the end of games.

If Luka only shot stand still or wide open 3's his numbers would probably look way better, but his overall game would suffer. You're right that he is overrated as a finisher if you only look at his ridiculously high % at the rim....but the threat of his step back helps create those efficient rim looks, in the same way that LeBron's driving game helps create efficient looks from 3 for him.

[Bronbron23]

Shooting 31% on 3's is basically as efficient as Kevin Durant's midrange game when he played for OKC. The difference is, KD could create a midrange 2 whenever he wanted....but Luka can create a 3 whenever he wants. The problem with this is, when you only need 1 point, it's nice to be able to get 46% look from 2 vs. a 32% look from 3. It impacts Luka's performance at the end of games.

If Luka only shot stand still or wide open 3's his numbers would probably look way better, but his overall game would suffer. You're right that he is overrated as a finisher if you only look at his ridiculously high % at the rim....but the threat of his step back helps create those efficient rim looks, in the same way that LeBron's driving game helps create efficient looks from 3 for him.

Yeah for sure. I mean im obviously being picky when im talking about his finishing and three ball. Im holding him to atg standards because thats how good he is so my criticism is relative to that.

[ralph_i_el]

Yeah for sure. I mean im obviously being picky when im talking about his finishing and three ball. Im holding him to atg standards because thats how good he is so my criticism is relative to that.

I definitely understand. I don't think your assessment is unfair. I do think he's a better shooter from deep than LeBron, especially when he was younger. Coach's wouldn't let him take those types of 3's if he wasn't a great shooter. They're just really tough shots.

I look at it like this. Luka could be deploying a midrange game when his drives are cut off. He might shoot mid-40's percent that way. Or he could dance back for 3's instead, shoot a way lower %, but have comparable points-per-shot, and pull the defense way further out than they would be if they expected him to shoot 18 footers. A lot of easy rolls for Powell were created off the fact that teams guard Luka past the 3 point line.

[Bronbron23]

I definitely understand. I don't think your assessment is unfair. I do think he's a better shooter from deep than LeBron, especially when he was younger. Coach's wouldn't let him take those types of 3's if he wasn't a great shooter. They're just really tough shots.

I look at it like this. Luka could be deploying a midrange game when his drives are cut off. He might shoot mid-40's percent that way. Or he could dance back for 3's instead, shoot a way lower %, but have comparable points-per-shot, and pull the defense way further out than they would be if they expected him to shoot 18 footers. A lot of easy rolls for Powell were created off the fact that teams guard Luka past the 3 point line.

Yeah it will be interesting to see how he handles the playoffs if they make a deep run. I think he'll be similar to harden where he'll have some great games but also have some really bad ones. They're just so reliant on the 3 ball. Its great when its falling. When its not though they can shoot their team out of a game instead of adjusting and going to the mid or post. The scenario you give is a fair one but its not always that simple. The scenario you give makes sense with everything being equal but what about when its not? When you go cold from 3 like harden and luka can the point per shot can heavily favor the mid or post if theyd use it. We know harden is stubborn and won't. Time will tell if luka will suffer the same fate.

[NBAGOAT]

Yeah it will be interesting to see how he handles the playoffs if they make a deep run. I think he'll be similar to harden where he'll have some great games but also have some really bad ones. They're just so reliant on the 3 ball. Its great when its falling. When its not though they can shoot their team out of a game instead of adjusting and going to the mid or post. The scenario you give is a fair one but its not always that simple. The scenario you give makes sense with everything being equal but what about when its not? When you go cold from 3 like harden and luka can the point per shot can heavily favor the mid or post if theyd use it. We know harden is stubborn and won't. Time will tell if luka will suffer the same fate.

With Luka this year and honestly harden too variance is a positive. Hou weren’t as talented as gs last 2 years and Dallas is going be an underdog vs the clippers.

Average pps from Luka should lose vs the clips. If he’s cold Dallas could get blown out and he’ll rightfully get criticism. The reverse is if he’s hot and goes 6/12 from 3, that could steal them a game

[Bronbron23]

With Luka this year and honestly harden too variance is a positive. Hou weren’t as talented as gs last 2 years and Dallas is going be an underdog vs the clippers.

Average pps from Luka should lose vs the clips. If he’s cold Dallas could get blown out and he’ll rightfully get criticism. The reverse is if he’s hot and goes 6/12 from 3, that could steal them a game

Yeah if luka can raise his game even just a little i could see mavs giving clips a go. I think he may slightly fall off his regular production though so i dont see it happening. You never know though. Kawhi dosnt look amazing thus far and pg can go cold too. Clips can always fall back on their d which may be the deciding factor.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He has the godly stats and he does it on #1 offenses but he doesn't play any defense. I would say he's a hybrid of Steve Nash and James Harden. Luka is the type of player who can lead the league in points or assists as well, so in that sense he's like the modern day Jerry West but Jerry actually played defense.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

His peak stats will crush theirs, unless the rules are changed. Offense is too easy under these cake rules. If he is 29/9/9 at age 20 imagine his peak numbers. Some people in another thread argued there isn't room for growth but how many superstars peak at 20 (assuming they have healthy careers)? He is going to put up something like 34/11/12 at his peak.

I am waiting to see when the Luka as GOAT talk begins, because if he goes 34/11/12 that would dwarf (on paper) 37/5/5 or 30/8/7.

Eventually people will recognize the video game numbers and stop comparing stats from this era to past eras. So comparing Luka going 34/11/12 in 2027 won't tell us anything about him compared to peak LeBron or peak Westbrook or peak anyone outside of this era and the 60's. The key will be to compare Luka's numbers relative to his contemporaries and that will influence how those numbers are perceived. Luka's 29/9/9 is already "cheapened" by what Westbrook did and vice versa.

Different team circumstances though. Westbrook in 2017 was putting up the numbers out of desperation because his supporting cast sucked so bad. Luka is putting up the numbers in the flow of the #1 offense in the NBA.

[JohnMax]

Lebron and Westbrook are most athletic players in NBA history at their position.

[Bronbron23]

Lebron and Westbrook are most athletic players in NBA history at their position.

Lebron yeah but not sure about westbrook. Hes basically a shooting gaurd put in a ball dominant point gaurd role. You could take any comparable athletic shooting gaurd and do the same with similar results. Wade, Mj, darrell griffith, clyde, kobe. Darrell griffith woule be perfect for this era's style. He was more athletic than westbrook and a better shooter too. His assists numbers weren't crazy because he played a pure shooter gaurd role but you could easily put someone in this era's ball dominant role and he'd be able to drive and dish to open 3 point shooters like westbrook and harden do.

[ralph_i_el]

Yeah it will be interesting to see how he handles the playoffs if they make a deep run. I think he'll be similar to harden where he'll have some great games but also have some really bad ones. They're just so reliant on the 3 ball. Its great when its falling. When its not though they can shoot their team out of a game instead of adjusting and going to the mid or post. The scenario you give is a fair one but its not always that simple. The scenario you give makes sense with everything being equal but what about when its not? When you go cold from 3 like harden and luka can the point per shot can heavily favor the mid or post if theyd use it. We know harden is stubborn and won't. Time will tell if luka will suffer the same fate.

Yup, plus 3's get harder as the game goes on. Luka has a good post game against mismatches.

I am of the opinion that teams should still try to move the ball even if they have 6 seconds left on the clock. It's a bad move to just wait on a pull-up J at the buzzer, unless you have one of the top 1-5 iso scorers in the league.

I love Wall, but it's really annoying when he just dribbles the shotclock down and takes a pull up J....because he's just not that guy.

[Bronbron23]

Yup, plus 3's get harder as the game goes on. Luka has a good post game against mismatches.

I am of the opinion that teams should still try to move the ball even if they have 6 seconds left on the clock. It's a bad move to just wait on a pull-up J at the buzzer, unless you have one of the top 1-5 iso scorers in the league.

I love Wall, but it's really annoying when he just dribbles the shotclock down and takes a pull up J....because he's just not that guy.

yeah teams that move the ball well usually have more success. Bron is probably the only player i can think of that won with a ball dominant style. Almost every other chip was won by star players that played in systems that used alot of on and off ball movement.

And luka does have the ability to play in the post and probably mid. I just wonder if he'll go to it when hes struggling from 3 or just do like harden and continue to jack tough threes. Time will tell.

And yes John wall was frustrating to watch at times. Hes more effective in the open court. Half court offense was never his strength.

[StrongLurk]

Once again people keep underrating Luka.

If Lebron was considered to have GOAT potential by 21, Luka has that same potential but so many people don't want to admit it.

I guess size and athleticism really do blind a lot of fans.

Luka had almost 5 months off bball, and he is putting up like 34/11/12 in his 5 games back.

[Roundball_Rock]

Different team circumstances though. Westbrook in 2017 was putting up the numbers out of desperation because his supporting cast sucked so bad. Luka is putting up the numbers in the flow of the #1 offense in the NBA.

True.


Once again people keep underrating Luka.

If Lebron was considered to have GOAT potential by 21, Luka has that same potential but so many people don't want to admit it.

Agreed. Plus, each era produces at least 1 and sometimes 2 GOAT candidates. It will be one or both of Luka and Giannis for the 2020's.

[StrongLurk]

True.



Agreed. Plus, each era produces at least 1 and sometimes 2 GOAT candidates. It will be one or both of Luka and Giannis for the 2020's.

Luka just put up 36/14/19 with only 2 turnovers and outplayed Giannis. I understand Giannis is definitely ahead of the defensive side, but I think Luka will be more consistent on offense in the playoffs compared to Giannis.

Are people really not understanding that Luka is only 21?

[FromDowntown]

Luka just put up 36/14/19 with only 2 turnovers and outplayed Giannis. I understand Giannis is definitely ahead of the defensive side, but I think Luka will be more consistent on offense in the playoffs compared to Giannis.

Are people really not understanding that Luka is only 21?

Will it be like a 1st year QB that comes into the league and does well because teams don't have the 'tapes' on them yet and haven't had ample time to devise a plan. Year 2 will defenses have a better time figuring him out or nah?

[Roundball_Rock]

Luka just put up 36/14/19 with only 2 turnovers and outplayed Giannis. I understand Giannis is definitely ahead of the defensive side, but I think Luka will be more consistent on offense in the playoffs compared to Giannis.

Are people really not understanding that Luka is only 21?

He will only get better and as you said in another thread if he improves his three point and FT shooting the league is done.

[bigbrownschaub]

he kinda stopped spamming threes after the disaster in the first bubble game... played a different game against the suns

https://streamable.com/iw9khs


he needs to improve free throws and threes % and add a midrange jumper

thats what i like to see. i dont know why he doesnt go for more layups, need to use his size

[ralph_i_el]

Will it be like a 1st year QB that comes into the league and does well because teams don't have the 'tapes' on them yet and haven't had ample time to devise a plan. Year 2 will defenses have a better time figuring him out or nah?

There's not much to figure out. He's not Tyreke Evans. There's not much you can do to stop a guy whose game is "huge point guard who gets wherever he wants with the dribble and always makes the open pass". It's the same thing that made LeBron great, a commitment to making the right decision decisively and ruthlessly.