What does Luka need to do for people to consider him to have GOAT potential?

[StrongLurk]

Why are people not hyping Luka up more? Dude is a monster already and isn't even done with his 2nd year.

To me, he without a doubt has GOAT potential. If he ends up getting his 3point and free throw percentages up, then it's literally over for the league.

Dude just put up 36/14/19 with only two turnovers against the Bucks and outplayed the guy who is about to be back-to-back MVP.

[Lion's pride]

he is off to a great start, but let me remind you he hasn't even played in a playoff game or series.. Show me in the playoffs first... He is also 0-10 when he has a one possession game as a scorer.. Stupid Buck doubled at let him pass all day..

[FromDowntown]

He has potential but for now as Lion's pride mentioned, this is regular season, we need to see this in the post season, and obviously for at least 12 years like Bird, MJ, LBJ, Kareem, Shaq.

Take Harden, he has averaged 29 ppg or more in the regular season 5 years in a row. In the playoffs? Once in 10 playoffs.
Take McGrady, he was a regular season killer but had EIGHT consecutive 1st round exits. Never advanced. Never had a second round appearance.

I can go one but you get the message.

[bigbrownschaub]

He has potential but for now as Lion's pride mentioned, this is regular season, we need to see this in the post season, and obviously for at least 12 years like Bird, MJ, LBJ, Kareem, Shaq.

Take Harden, he has averaged 29 ppg or more in the regular season 5 years in a row. In the playoffs? Once in 10 playoffs.
Take McGrady, he was a regular season killer but had EIGHT consecutive 1st round exits. Never advanced. Never had a second round appearance.

I can go one but you get the message.
lound and clear bubba

[FromDowntown]

lound and clear bubba

:cheers: My dude

[FourthTenor]

A regular jelqing regimen would be a start.

[NBAGOAT]

play average defense, with that and expected improvements in shooting/decision making he could have an all time level season

[Marchesk]

Why are people not hyping Luka up more? Dude is a monster already and isn't even done with his 2nd year.

To me, he without a doubt has GOAT potential. If he ends up getting his 3point and free throw percentages up, then it's literally over for the league.

Dude just put up 36/14/19 with only two turnovers against the Bucks and outplayed the guy who is about to be back-to-back MVP.

He needs to be able to do it over 12+ seasons, while winning MVPs and championships. The bar has been set really, really high. Lebron's still trying to get there in his 17th season. That's why people should hold off on crowing Giannis, Luka and Zion as the next GOAT candidate. We have no idea what their career trajectory looks like in season 10, for example.

[FromDowntown]

He needs to be able to do it over 12+ seasons, while winning MVPs and championships. The bar has been set really, really high. Lebron's still trying to get there in his 17th season. That's why people should hold off on crowing Giannis, Luka and Zion as the next GOAT candidate. We have no idea what their career trajectory looks like in season 10, for example.

Yes, he is still trying to get more playoff points, game winners, elimination game ppg, steals and Conference Finals wins than MJ.

Oh wait he is #1 in all of these :lol

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[ralph_i_el]

he is off to a great start, but let me remind you he hasn't even played in a playoff game or series.. Show me in the playoffs first... He is also 0-10 when he has a one possession game as a scorer.. Stupid Buck doubled at let him pass all day..


How is that stat true? He had game winners his rookie year.

[HylianNightmare]

You can tell from watching him he has "it"

[insight]

Why are people not hyping Luka up more? Dude is a monster already and isn't even done with his 2nd year.

To me, he without a doubt has GOAT potential. If he ends up getting his 3point and free throw percentages up, then it's literally over for the league.

Dude just put up 36/14/19 with only two turnovers against the Bucks and outplayed the guy who is about to be back-to-back MVP.

Everybody is scoring and putting up ridiculous stats in this era. TJ Warren scores 53 and is averaging in the 30 ppg in the bubble. Micheal Porter Jr, is averaging nearly 30 ppg in the bubble. Luka is very talented but time will tell if he can translate stats into playoff wins and championships.

[Lion's pride]

How is that stat true? He had game winners his rookie year.

Sorry forgot to add this season

[GreatHILL]

he needs to be black :oldlol:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He will be an offensive GOAT guy only like Nash/Harden/Curry. His defense isn't good enough, so he will never be considered goat material. Porzingis as his 2nd best player doesn't seem great enough to sniff a ring either.

[ImKobe]

He will be an offensive GOAT guy only like Nash/Harden/Curry. His defense isn't good enough, so he will never be considered goat material. Porzingis as his 2nd best player doesn't seem great enough to sniff a ring either.

What? 20/10 2 bpg from the 2nd best player is not good enough? It's their first season together and the Mavs have the #1 ORTG team all-time. Just wait 'til they hit their prime.

[bobopenguin]

he just need get tanned and get that brown skin tone, then blm brotherhood will accept him.

[NBASTATMAN]

He will be an offensive GOAT guy only like Nash/Harden/Curry. His defense isn't good enough, so he will never be considered goat material. Porzingis as his 2nd best player doesn't seem great enough to sniff a ring either.

Since the end of Jan Porzingis is putting up ANTHONY DAVIS numbers.. Porzingis will actually be better cuz he has unlimited range and is about 4 inches taller than AD... Luka is a monster but everyone is putting up stats in todays game.. Bradley Beal just put up Kobe stats.. And he is no where near the player Kobe was... Luka plays on a team where everyone can shoot the three. So if they are making the three they will win and if not they will lose.. Luka is a monster and he has a chance to be a top 5 offensive player of all time imo.. Second fav player after Bron..

[Lebron23]

Playoffs

[Bronbron23]

Why are people not hyping Luka up more? Dude is a monster already and isn't even done with his 2nd year.

To me, he without a doubt has GOAT potential. If he ends up getting his 3point and free throw percentages up, then it's literally over for the league.

Dude just put up 36/14/19 with only two turnovers against the Bucks and outplayed the guy who is about to be back-to-back MVP.

Do what hes doing now deep in the playoffs. The reg season in this era is to easy. With the rules the way they are Defenders dont have a chance to stop someone as skilled as luka. Come deep in the playoffs the nba seems to allow way more physical play.

[insight]

he just need get tanned and get that brown skin tone, then blm brotherhood will accept him.

You can crown him if you want, because it's just opinions and have no impact on real life. Your equating peoples opinions to people being racially profiled and killed.

[tontoz]

What? 20/10 2 bpg from the 2nd best player is not good enough? It's their first season together and the Mavs have the #1 ORTG team all-time. Just wait 'til they hit their prime.


I agree KP is a great 2nd option. He plays well off the ball, can shoot over anyone with range, and can protect the rim. I expect him to have a breakout year next season.

As to the topic it would be pretty hard to pass MJ/Lebron/Kareem (in any order but they are the consensus top 3).

I just like watching him play.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Show up in the playoffs too.

That's the obvious answer. Don't know why OP is acting brand new.

[StrongLurk]

I will say RIGHT NOW that Luka has REAL potential to be the GOAT.

A guy like Giannis has FAKE potential to be GOAT. What I mean by this is, Giannis clearly has incredible physical gifts, but he won't be able to craft elite SKILLS quick enough to become the GOAT. He's still too raw even now.

Luka has the RIGHT skill package, and enough size and athleticism to be consistent against tough defenses. All Luka needs is to continue working on his body, get more playoff experience (which obviously will come over the next 2-3 years), and hone is skills even more. From the experience perspective, are people forgetting Luka was playing pro ball at 16 in Europe? This guy has been groomed from day 1.

If Luka can get to 38-40% from three and 80%+ from free throw, then he clearly is the next true GOAT candidate after Lebron. Also, Luka is very fortunate to already be on a very good team with talent. Lebron didn't have anyone close to Porzingus for his first 7 years in the league.

Also, for all the people saying Luka needs to show up in the playoffs...do you really think he won't? Seriously, you betting Luka ends up a 24/7/7 type guy in the playoffs for the next few years? He is going to be just like Lebron and be able to show up right away.

[imdaman99]

Well if you go by stats, he's already the greatest 2nd year player ever. Playoffs will tell. If he disappoints his 1st playoffs, all good. Rinse and repeat next year but improve in the playoffs.

[3ball]

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Mid-range touch and repertoire:


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[raiderfan19]

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thats a travel just fyi

[HBK_Kliq_2]

What? 20/10 2 bpg from the 2nd best player is not good enough? It's their first season together and the Mavs have the #1 ORTG team all-time. Just wait 'til they hit their prime.

They put up stats but can't play defense for shit. They will need defenders on the level of Draymond/Iggy on their team to cover up their weaknesses. Until that time, they are just the Steve Nash Suns (ringless).

[ImKobe]

They put up stats but can't play defense for shit. They will need defenders on the level of Draymond/Iggy on their team to cover up their weaknesses. Until that time, they are just the Steve Nash Suns (ringless).

KP is actually a decent defensive player... Luka's average.

[Carbine]

To answer the OP:

Win championships. A lot of them.

Because he's never going to pass the eye test when it comes to MJ or LeBron. So he will need 7 titles.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

KP is actually a decent defensive player... Luka's average.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/doncilu01/on-off/2020

Teams average 113 offensive rating vs Luka when he's on the court. That's good for 5th ranked offense. You will never win titles playing like that. I like Luka but people are getting carried away because his fancy stats. He either needs to have a massive improvement on defense or mavs need to acquire elite defenders to cover Luka up.

[Lebron23]

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Mid-range touch and repertoire:


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And much more:

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[HBK_Kliq_2]

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Mid-range touch and repertoire:


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Power:


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And much more:

1st gif epic hangtime. That's why Jordan would torch Duncan's unathletic ass. Kobe in 2008 WCF torched Duncan with his midrange shot and hangtime. It would be even worse if Duncan faced Jordan. And no that's not travel, kept his pivot foot down until he went in the air.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He has the potential to be the greatest offensive player we've ever seen but doesn't and will never defend well enough to be the greatest ever overall. Remember that MJ had a DPoY and a number of All-D selections to go along with his scoring titles. And with a career that will coincide with a lot of Antetokunmpo along with Zion Williamson and whoever is to come it will be hard to get 5+ MVPs. I expect a top 10 career though and that's certainly greatness.

[bigbrownschaub]

First gif is travelling.

100% b. good work ethnic.

[Marchesk]

Serious question, what's the main difference between Trae Young and Luka on offense? Because Trae has put up some pretty impressive numbers also, but his team sucks.

Tae Young at 21 this season was 29.6 ppg with 9.3 assists and shot 36% from downtown.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Serious question, what's the main difference between Trae Young and Luka on offense? Because Trae has put up some pretty impressive numbers also, but his team sucks.

Tae Young at 21 this season was 29.6 ppg with 9.3 assists and shot 36% from downtown.

Luka is just a much better playmaker I think. But I would like to see Trae in Rick Carlisle's offense, I think luka benefits from the much better offensive coach/system.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Serious question, what's the main difference between Trae Young and Luka on offense? Because Trae has put up some pretty impressive numbers also, but his team sucks.

Tae Young at 21 this season was 29.6 ppg with 9.3 assists and shot 36% from downtown.

Size. I am going to be lazy and just guess without looking it up that Doncic is a better finisher.

[Marchesk]

Size. I am going to be lazy and just guess without looking it up that Doncic is a better finisher.

Looks that way with Luka's much better 2P FG%. However, Trae still has a little better TS%. From listening to some commentary on the Hawks prior to the pandemic, there was a feeling things weren't right in the Hawks locker room, and there maybe have been some issues with Trae dominating the ball. However, the Hawks just aren't very good, so I don't know if they had a better option than Trae having the ball a lot.

It's interesting that we have three very young offensive beasts in Luka, Trae and Zion, and none of them so far are good on the defensive end. Ingram's defensive rating isn't good either, but it looks like he at least gives decent effort on that end, but he is a little bit more experienced than the other three.

[Ghost1]

Serious question, what's the main difference between Trae Young and Luka on offense? Because Trae has put up some pretty impressive numbers also, but his team sucks.

Tae Young at 21 this season was 29.6 ppg with 9.3 assists and shot 36% from downtown.

Size
Good looks
Durability
Leadership
Strength
Marketability
Beautiful comb over

[insight]

Looks that way with Luka's much better 2P FG%. However, Trae still has a little better TS%. From listening to some commentary on the Hawks prior to the pandemic, there was a feeling things weren't right in the Hawks locker room, and there maybe have been some issues with Trae dominating the ball. However, the Hawks just aren't very good, so I don't know if they had a better option than Trae having the ball a lot.

It's interesting that we have three very young offensive beasts in Luka, Trae and Zion, and none of them so far are good on the defensive end. Ingram's defensive rating isn't good either, but it looks like he at least gives decent effort on that end, but he is a little bit more experienced than the other three.
The locker room issues were a result of losing so many games, and having such a young roster starting. The GM responded by adding more vets like Jeff Teague, Clint Capella and Dwayne Dedmon to make the roster more competitive and seasoned. Trae and Luka are both very gifted players, I believe Luka benefits from having a stronger supporting cast which doesn't allow other teams to double him as much as Trae. Dallas also has more ball handlers who can create their own shot, Atlanta's second best play John Collins is not great at creating his own shot. Luka is bigger and stronger than Trae, which forces teams to put a bigger offender on him, and also allows Luka to play serviceable defense which is Trae's biggest weakness.

[Roundball_Rock]

You can't compare numbers on a 42-30 playoff team with those from a player on a 20-47 team.

[insight]

You can't compare numbers on a 42-30 playoff team with those from a player on a 20-47 team.
That's silly. Remove Porzingis and Tim Hardaway and Dallas record would look closer to 2019. Should we dismiss Luka's rookie season because team has a losing record?

[Lion's pride]

when was the last time a so called "great player" didn't play, (Luka) and his team went on and shot for a season high 56-50-87% against one of the top defensive teams in the NBA??? They also smacked the Bucks in Mil without Luka... It's not him but his all-time great offensive minded coach in Carlisle... and the Mavs proved that again...

[Roundball_Rock]

That's silly. Remove Porzingis and Tim Hardaway and Dallas record would look closer to 2019. Should we dismiss Luka's rookie season because team has a losing record?

That's the point. Better teams will have better players therefore it is harder to generate big numbers on good teams than on trash teams like Young is doing. If two players have similar lines, you always go with the guy on the better team. If you go by PPG and APG they are on par (there is a large difference in RPG--Luka boards like a PF), but one guy is doing it on a good team and the other a tanking team.

[WolfGang]

I really really like Luka. He just needs to work on his body. Gain muscle.

[StrongLurk]

Luka with 42/6/9 and 3 steals...and 11 turnovers in his playoff debut, against the best team in the league as well. Luka also had his second option unreasonably ejected which killed the Mavs momentum.

Most points in a playoff debut but 11 turnovers is terrible haha. Luka really is in a Lebron/Harden mold.

If he can stay healthy...Luka will producing a ton over a massive prime (Lebron-like). He is already on a very good team too.

[TheCorporation]

Luka with 40/6/9 and 3 steals...and 11 turnovers in his playoff debut, against the best team in the league as well. Luka also had his second option unreasonably ejected which killed the Mavs momentum.

Most points in a playoff debut but 11 turnovers is terrible haha. Luka really is in a Lebron/Harden mold.

If he can stay healthy...Luka will producing a ton over a massive prime (Lebron-like). He is already on a very good team too.

Luka will NEVER pass 6,911

No one will. Sheesh, the only one that will is LeBron himself. I'll have to update my avatar accordingly.

[Carbine]

I really don't need to see much more. He's already an ATG player, just depends on the rings if he ends up top 15 or not.

He could never get any better and stay at his 2020 level of play while winning zero rings and still be a top 30 player of all time.

[Carbine]

1 ring - debatable top 15

2 rings - consensus top 15

3 rings - debatable top 10

4 rings - consensus top 10

5 rings - debatable top 5

6 - consensus top 5, mount rush more

7 - Arguable GOAT

[Marchesk]

1 ring - debatable top 15

2 rings - consensus top 15

3 rings - debatable top 10

4 rings - consensus top 10

5 rings - debatable top 5

6 - consensus top 5, mount rush more

7 - Arguable GOAT


11 - Discounted GOAT

[Roundball_Rock]

1 ring - debatable top 15

2 rings - consensus top 15

3 rings - debatable top 10

4 rings - consensus top 10

5 rings - debatable top 5

6 - consensus top 5, mount rush more

7 - Arguable GOAT

Awfully convenient that 6 happens to be the cutoff. ; )

Rings are team achievements. Luka isn't a worse player because KP got ejected and they lost narrowly instead of winning narrowly.

[Bronbron23]

He's obviously one of the best in the league qnd one of the best ever at his age. He was great as usual today but lets not get carried away. He had a shit ton of turnovers and as usual was an absolute tool on defense. He made some really bad defensive plays down the stretch also.

[bobopenguin]

for a 21yrs old, facing 3 top tier defender, doubled team, carried entired team offensively, scoring 42 pts. jeez, how much more u want this dude to do?

[Carbine]

Awfully convenient that 6 happens to be the cutoff. ; )

Rings are team achievements. Luka isn't a worse player because KP got ejected and they lost narrowly instead of winning narrowly.

You can disagree with it but it's how the vast majority will look at it. You need the rings. Usually this means you have a lot of heroic performances in the playoffs.

I know what you're saying, but basketball players more so than any other sport do have a tremendous impact on the game. One player can score without anyone's help, they can lock up on defense, rebound, etc. Play 48 minutes if need be.

Baseball players get to be in on maybe 2-3 outs per game on defense and have 4-5 At Bats on offense if you're a positional player.

Hockey players play 40 to 50 percent of a game, besides the goalie who doesn't play offense.

QB's in football can't get open and catch the ball that they throw to themselves. They don't block for themselves, they have RBS they hand the ball off on run plays, they don't kick FGs or Punt, they don't play defense.......

There is something to the whole top tier player usually wins a title thing. It has happened far too often for it not be a true predictor of team success.

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

Win some MVPs and Championships?

[CTbasketball92]

Luka clearly has GOAT potential what are you guys talking about lol.

You guys think of this too much as a destination rather than a state of being.

Luka essentially averaged an efficient 30 point triple double at age 21. His game relies on elite skills, instincts, strength, body control and spatial awareness and GOAT-elevel bball IQ. None of these qualities will diminish over the next 10 years, and in fact, they will only increase. He's not a good defender now, but with his size he should one day be at least a neutral defender, if not solid. His passing and instincts for the game will only get better. His jumper will only become more reliable. His bag will only get deeper. it's not unreasonable to think he puts up a season where he averages 35/11/9 on 63 TS% or something like that. When you can control the pace of the game and make shots at a high level, it's hard to put a cap on that. If someone puts these numbers up they will collect MVP's. Despite the turnovers, Luka still had a very good game, especially for his first playoff game ever. He's only getting better from this point on. Reminds me of Magic/Bird/LeBron. Has the creativity and counters of a Kobe or a Manu. I think as long as he stays with a good organization and keeps another top 15-20 player with him and a solid supporting cast (PorzinGod could be this player) they can be a dominant team.

I'll say this now—Luka can be a top 10 player ever, and then possibly even better than that. After that it gets subjective.

[Stephonit]

He can start by dumping the Clippers.

[Bronbron23]

all this goat talk. You guys are only looking at half of the game. Luka is one of the worst defenders ever. He gets abused regularly. All the goats were as good or better offensively but a thousand times better on the other end of the floor. He has no chance at being the goat. He'll be a top 10 though most likely

[StrongLurk]

First two playoff games, against Kawhi and the Clippers no less.

35/7.5/8 on 55.3/46.2/81.5 splits, 31.5 PER, 122 ORTG...at 21.

I've been truly hyped on Luka since about the halfway point of this year. When the bubble started and Luka was the same as ever, I didn't understand why so many posters on ISH were saying "we have to see what he does in the playoffs", and my response was always "what the hell do you think he's gonna do, revert to a 22/7/7 type player"?

I've seen enough honestly, and you could easily argue Luka has been a top 4 player this year along with Giannis, Harden and Kawhi.

Regardless of how you think he ranks at this moment, Luka is so obviously the next basketball great and face of the league. I fully expect him to be a top 10, and maybe even top 5 player when it's all said and done and I haven't felt like that since Lebron. Even with KD and his supreme gifts and scoring ability, I never thought he was a lock for top 10 (although I have KD in top 15ish).

Luka has those basketball traits that you just can't teach (elite feel for the game, BBIQ, great floor leader, enough height being 6'7 to play different ways), almost the "Lebron" package at a young age (no hyper athleticism). On top of that, he has been groomed maybe better than anyone in the last decade to PLAY basketball. No AAU or superteams in high school, but real professional ball in Europe since he was 16. Lebron was not fortunate enough to be in Luka's situation, but Luka has already developed the exact type of skillset you want to have in this era. He didn't get like that though luck, but with excellent coaching/mentorship, training, and tons of work.

[ImKobe]

Awfully convenient that 6 happens to be the cutoff. ; )

Rings are team achievements. Luka isn't a worse player because KP got ejected and they lost narrowly instead of winning narrowly.

Rings matter, only the Lebronsexuals/Jordan haters argue otherwise because their King won 3 out of 9 Finals despite colluding.

[Shogon]

Everything has to be the "GOAT" nowadays.

Humanity is straight up retarded trash. Holy **** what a stupid thread.

[Roundball_Rock]

First two playoff games, against Kawhi and the Clippers no less.

35/7.5/8 on 55.3/46.2/81.5 splits, 31.5 PER, 122 ORTG...at 21.

That is with relatively limited minutes too because of foul trouble in Game 2. His per 36 stats are 38/8/9 and for the per 100 crowd 49/11/11.

[Phoenix]

Everything has to be the "GOAT" nowadays.

Humanity is straight up retarded trash. Holy **** what a stupid thread.

It's why players end up getting undue hate on them. There's this odd fascination with racing to declare everything in the here and now as the greatest thing ever. I don't get why we can't just watch these guys and see how it unfolds? I mean....if we're trying to figure out a 2nd year players career path and how it can supercede those with legacies etched in stone.....can I get next week's lotto numbers too? Jesus.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It's why players end up getting undue hate on them. There's this odd fascination with racing to declare everything in the here and now as the greatest thing ever. I don't get why we can't just watch these guys and see how it unfolds? I mean....if we're trying to figure out a 2nd year players career path and how it can supercede those with legacies etched in stone.....can I get next week's lotto numbers too? Jesus.


Everything has to be the "GOAT" nowadays.

Humanity is straight up retarded trash. Holy **** what a stupid thread.

Basically.

Told the OP Luka's gonna have to continue playing well AND in the postseason. So he bumps the thread, and already wants to crown him after 2 games. :oldlol:

I've been watching since the 90s, so maybe it is me just seeing TONS of great players. For brand new fans haste reaction is the norm.

[Marchesk]

I remember early in the season when Luka was getting all the ridiculous hype, and then Zion came back from injury and he took it away, but now it's back to Luka. Everything is about the next GOAT. They did that with Jordan too. They were running those Penny Hardaway commercials calling him the best in the NBA when Jordan was playing baseball. Massive disrespect to Shaq. Also Pippen, Hakeem, D.Rob, etc.

[StrongLurk]

Basically.

Told the OP Luka's gonna have to continue playing well AND in the postseason. So he bumps the thread, and already wants to crown him after 2 games. :oldlol:

I've been watching since the 90s, so maybe it is me just seeing TONS of great players. For brand new fans haste reaction is the norm.

Any doubts still? Guy is destroying the best team in the league.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

How about a GW 3P as time runs out vs a stacked team of mercenaries?

[StrongLurk]

Seriously, how was anyone doubting this guy would continue to dominate once the playoffs arrived? I'm guessing those people didn't watch Luka at all this year.

He has clearly been a top 5 player all year and right now could be argued as the best so far in the bubble playoffs.

[bobopenguin]

trae young vs luka doncic comparison officially dead.

Kings and Hawks are offcially idoit for missing/traded this dude.

[GOBB]

Not hyping him up more? This website alone has turned into porn hub with all the d*ck sucking going on,

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Not hyping him up more? This website alone has turned into porn hub with all the d*ck sucking going on,
Damn, I was just on that site a few mins ago, too.

[Nashty]

He needs to be black because NBA community hate white people.

Also, why is this racist poster GOBB not banned yet?

[Axe]

Not hyping him up more? This website alone has turned into porn hub with all the d*ck sucking going on,
Oof

People are imagining if he can transform the mavs into a potential dynasty once the time comes

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Any doubts still? Guy is destroying the best team in the league.

Hows your Portland>LA pred doing?

:confusedshrug:

Where was I doubting Luka btw? He's doing what I said he'll have to for "GOAT" talk.

[GOBB]

He needs to be black because NBA community hate white people.

Also, why is this racist poster GOBB not banned yet?

I'm untouchable. Deal with it.

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

To answer the OP:

Win championships. A lot of them.

Because he's never going to pass the eye test when it comes to MJ or LeBron. So he will need 7 titles.

Bullshit

[Nashty]

I'm untouchable. Deal with it.

Oh, ok I understand, you have those privileges because you are black, gotcha.

[StrongLurk]

Not hyping him up more? This website alone has turned into porn hub with all the d*ck sucking going on,

My point is only me and a few other posters ever made threads about him during the year. He should have been hyped as a legit top 5 player since February.

[light]

He clearly has GOAT potential.

For him it will be about consistency and health.

He has to keep doing stuff like this - and having years like this - for at least a decade.

It wont be easy.

[Axe]

I'm untouchable. Deal with it.
:roll:

[NBASTATMAN]

Months ago I said he had a chance to be the OFFENSIVE GOAT ... I was correct..

[bobopenguin]

lmao so many ppl trying to d*ck riding luka now, but they dunno i am already on it.

[Marchesk]

I'll have to concede that Luka has GOAT potential, if he can do this for a decade, and deep into the playoffs. Still really early, though. But he's the best 21 year old we've seen.

Or the current offensive era has just warped stats to an unbelievable level. Still, Luka taking full advantage of the modern game, which is what the greats do in any era. Near Harden level at only 21.

[NBASTATMAN]

I'll have to concede that Luka has GOAT potential, if he can do this for a decade, and deep into the playoffs. Still really early, though. But he's the best 21 year old we've seen.

Or the current offensive era has just warped stats to an unbelievable level. Still, Luka taking full advantage of the modern game, which is what the greats do in any era. Near Harden level at only 21.

STATS ARE DEF WARPED.. Two guys just scored 50 pts in the same playoff game.. STATS ARE ABOUT 30 PERCENT over what they were just 10 years ago..

[ELITEpower23]

He clearly has GOAT potential.

For him it will be about consistency and health.

He has to keep doing stuff like this - and having years like this - for at least a decade.

It wont be easy.

Absolutely agree. He has the potential to do it.

It will not be easy. Three great playoff games is a great start, but we will need many more years of it.

He has to keep doing this stuff for at least a decade.

[AlternativeAcc.]

:roll:
Now imagine a 55 year old saying that

Not funny anymore is it. Just sad

[GOBB]

My point is only me and a few other posters ever made threads about him during the year. He should have been hyped as a legit top 5 player since February.

He's not top 5.

[GOBB]

Oh, ok I understand, you have those privileges because you are black, gotcha.

No it's called legacy. Get you some nugget. Damn autocorrect.

[GOBB]

Now imagine a 55 year old saying that

Not funny anymore is it. Just sad

The irony an alt account posts this.

Shame. *rings bell* Shame. Shame. *rings bell* Shame. Shame. *rings bell* Shame.

[AintNoSunshine]

a log of tanning

[3ball]

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Basic stuff that Doncic doesn't have:

1) Post spin move, or any post game

2) pull-up jumpers off a hard dribble, especially from mid-range (where he elevates and hits contested jumper.. like MJ's "the shot" over ehlo - he never takes shots like that)

3) turnaround jumper


I'm gonna be honest - he must be a lot stronger than he looks because I don't understand how he is so dominant.. guys bounce off him and his seemingly ordinary/nothing repertoire gets the buckets.. it's weird... He just kind of moseys on in there and scores... Every time

[Lebron23]

Longevity

[3ball]

4-peat or 7 FMVP

[90sgoat]

He'll be ahead of Lebron with one ring with the current Mavs roster, no doubt.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Longevity

Good response

Luka just needs to keep improving and stay healthy. We don't know the rosters he'll be surrounded with so we can't speculate on how many rings will be sufficient.

Lebron only needed 3 to become GOAT because of the quality of his rings, the lack of teammate help relative to comp, and the comp itself

There's too many variables. People talking about X amount of rings are low IQ fans who don't have the ability to address context and how that context needs to be examined.

[coin24]

seems like hes long where it counts:cheers:

alpha dog donthicc

[StrongLurk]

Well?

[John8204]

He's definitely the next guy in line he's 23 and he already has 8,000 points. He needs to start getting the big awards...MVP's and rings. As long as he doesn't pull a Durant and join up with Giannis to bump up his ring count he'll be in the mix by the time he's 30.

[Manny98]

What everybody else needs to do, win championships as the best player

[Phoenix]

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Basic stuff that Doncic doesn't have:

1) Post spin move, or any post game

2) pull-up jumpers off a hard dribble, especially from mid-range (where he elevates and hits contested jumper.. like MJ's "the shot" over ehlo - he never takes shots like that)

3) turnaround jumper




Points 1 and 3 have been addressed, and if you watched basketball anytime in the last decade ( and we know you didn't) he was showcasing great post skills during the bubble season. He's just made it a bigger part of his game in 2022.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gAXKQg8R5w&t=59s

As for point #2, he's adapted the trending 'step back' jumper which is a compensation for not having something like MJ's athleticism to get major vertical on stop and pop mid-range jumpers. Not every path to greatness needs to be about replicating what MJ did or had in his bag beat for beat. :facepalm

[RogueBorg]

Win a ring. Otherwise he's just James Harden.

[Axe]

He already became better than mj during the 2020 disney bubble, am i right?

[StrongLurk]

Is it time?

[gengiskhan]

Luka needs to do these 3 things.

1. stop looking like he is 50 years old at age 25.

2. loose that tub of lard and get in shape with some muscles

3. or just get skinny by losing weight and look like stockton or bird or white or kukoc or Kerr.

effing guy looks like he is gonna pull a bronny and have an MI in the middle of the court any time soon.

or just talk to Bron and take that Balco Juice.

[John8204]

Well to give a serious answer

1. - Become the best player in the league, right now he's top five in my opinion Giannis is number 1 and Jokie is number 2. So for Luka those guys need to either decline or he needs to improve. You can't be the GOAT if you aren't the best player in the league.

2. He needs the accomplishments....MVP's and rings are important they aren't the most important things but he definitely needs to get one of them in the next year.

3. He needs to hit those legacy bench marks, once he gets to 15K points is when we can really start comparing him to the greats.

[Carbine]

He has the potential to be the greatest offensive player we've ever seen but doesn't and will never defend well enough to be the greatest ever overall. Remember that MJ had a DPoY and a number of All-D selections to go along with his scoring titles. And with a career that will coincide with a lot of Antetokunmpo along with Zion Williamson and whoever is to come it will be hard to get 5+ MVPs. I expect a top 10 career though and that's certainly greatness.

Nice post you dumb focker