Damian lillard is better than bron at this point

[NBASTATMAN]

There is no debate between Lebron and Lillard.. Lillard is the better player at this point.. The guy is amazing.. :bowdown:

Luka is a great player but he has choked a lot this season.. Still my second fav player..

[RoseCity07]

The problem here is that Lebron is 6-8 and scores with ease. It’s much harder for Dame to do this every game. So Lebron is better but Damian Lillard is still elite.

[bigbrownschaub]

uh excuse me? dame is overrated. couple hot games here and there, it wont last.

[NBASTATMAN]

I dont know about that.. Dame is scoring with ease.. I mean the game looks easy to him. To me he is the best player in the game at this point... Only from what I have seen in the bubble.. Really tough cuz a guy like Lebron just got older and probably slower during that down time, Kawhi also looks slower and not at his usual self. So for me Dame is the best player.. The Lakers won't beat the Blazers if they cant shoot.. They better start making open shots cuz Portland will beat them easier than people think.. DAME is on a mission and confidence is the biggest weapon.. AND HE HAS IT..

[NBASTATMAN]

He has been amazing the entire season.. And he has taken to another level exactly when it has been needed..

[Kblaze8855]

That’s 3 60 point games this season. I suspect by the end of next year both he and Harden will have more than either Kobe or Jordan had for their careers. Who would have thought that if the NBA set out to make it easier to score great players would have more incredible games....

That said....he’s obviously still a beast. Rule changes don’t give you 35 foot range. It’s just hard to put so much that happens now in context. Luka out here having Wilt Chamberlain nights and all.

Its just tough.

[imdaman99]

He doesn't have the warriors in the way to sweep him this year

[tpols]

Dame is a cold blooded mother****er. There's no doubt about that.

Shout out Melo too. He got them "sure", what is now non-existant, poast buckets when they needed them, and brought competitive fire.

[34-24 Footwork]

Yeah. He's taking it up a notch. The loss against the Clippers still hurt, but they're on a good trajectory.

Cj McCollum been playing like shit, recently. Needs to step it up.

[tpols]

The problem here is that Lebron is 6-8 and scores with ease. It’s much harder for Dame to do this every game. So Lebron is better but Damian Lillard is still elite.

That's a great way of putting it. Dame has to channel his inner 2012 game 6 Lebron just to make the playoffs. Lebron over a long stretch is so good he could do that without entering that do or die mode.

[34-24 Footwork]

He's out there carving up defenses with ease. He calls for the screen so far from the basket that the defense has to make some really tough choices.

A slight freeze/pause from the big and Dame is getting a layup. Go behind the screen and you're getting roasted from 3.

[Bronbron23]

There is no debate between Lebron and Lillard.. Lillard is the better player at this point.. The guy is amazing.. :bowdown:

Luka is a great player but he has choked a lot this season.. Still my second fav player..

i love dame but just no

[Axe]

Damn, what a scoring machine at 61 points. Dame really has to put the pedal to the metal in order to produce a win for portland. I'm still wondering when will he get a scoring title.

[Gudo]

Lillard seems to be the antithesis in terms of team loyalty and stance on forming superteams

[tontoz]

Why cant we give Dame props without taking a cheap shot at Lebron? Incredible game by Lillard but come on.

[StrongLurk]

You could absolutely make the case for Lillard being better than Bron this season.

Me personally, I think it's easier just to put them on the same "tier" of player so far this year (not in the top 3, but definitely in the top 7).

Then again, we really don't know how guys will play in the playoffs. Some players/teams still look really rusty, while other guys seem to be playing their best ball in this "open gym" setting.

[insidious301]

I saw the playoff game he eliminated Harden at the buzzer. The playoff game he eliminated PG-Westbrook in last year. Multiple scoring bursts this year. And now tonights 60 point performance. All of that is to say, Damian Lillard can score with any "pointguard" ever. Obviously he is one of the best scorers period, but vs his position, Lillard is scoring with anyone.

[NBASTATMAN]

You could absolutely make the case for Lillard being better than Bron this season.

Me personally, I think it's easier just to put them on the same "tier" of player so far this year (not in the top 3, but definitely in the top 7).

Then again, we really don't know how guys will play in the playoffs. Some players/teams still look really rusty, while other guys seem to be playing their best ball in this "open gym" setting.

TRUE.. AD doesnt look his usual self.. THE RUST IS DEF THERE WITH HIM.. Lebron looking slow and not as good as he was looking before COVID.. Kawhi not looking all that good either

[Bronbron23]

You could absolutely make the case for Lillard being better than Bron this season.

Me personally, I think it's easier just to put them on the same "tier" of player so far this year (not in the top 3, but definitely in the top 7).

Then again, we really don't know how guys will play in the playoffs. Some players/teams still look really rusty, while other guys seem to be playing their best ball in this "open gym" setting.

you could but you could say the same for about 3 or 4 players every regular season. Come playoffs its a different story because Lebron dosnt play his best until playoffs. He's almost on cruise control during regular season. So yeah dame maybe played on his level during the reg season but he's not on brons level.

[StrongLurk]

I saw the playoff game he eliminated Harden at the buzzer. The playoff game he eliminated PG-Westbrook in last year. Multiple scoring bursts this year. And now tonights 60 point performance. All of that is to say, Damian Lillard can score with any "pointguard" ever. Obviously he is one of the best scorers period, but vs his position, Lillard is scoring with anyone.

Ehh, I wouldn't go that far. 24.8ppg on 54.4 TS% in the playoffs isn't legendary or anything.

[insidious301]

you could but you could say the same for about 3 or 4 players every regular season. Come playoffs its a different story because Lebron dosnt play his best until playoffs. He's almost on cruise control during regular season. So yeah dame maybe played on his level during the reg season but he's not on brons level.

Agreed, Bron23. You can tell in his body langauge that he is not in "playoff mode". Laughing and joking around yesterday during the final seconds of a close game. When it comes down to it, postseason play separates the top talent.


Ehh, I wouldn't go that far. 24.8ppg on 54.4 TS% in the playoffs isn't legendary or anything.

Yeah not going to argue it strongly, and haven't looked at his stats compared to other pointguards. Just my intuition based on the eye test. What other pointguard scorers are on a level above?

[Kblaze8855]

Trae Young is scoring more than Dame ever has in his second season. We just kinda forgot since we are real selective in who’s 2020 numbers we choose to give credit for.

Trae might come out and score 35 a game next year the way shits going. He’s probably 5 years from his prime. He put up 31/12 and 32/10 in the two months before the shutdown.

[NBASTATMAN]

you could but you could say the same for about 3 or 4 players every regular season. Come playoffs its a different story because Lebron dosnt play his best until playoffs. He's almost on cruise control during regular season. So yeah dame maybe played on his level during the reg season but he's not on brons level.

That works until it doesnt.. Dude is old . I dont see him being able to turn it on and off like he once did.. That layoff hurt the Lakers cuz they look like garbage and Bron hasnt been able to do anything about it..

[HylianNightmare]

I forget which game last season he choked bad in playoff game

[StrongLurk]

I mean, there probably isn't a ton, but just off the top of my head I'd rather have Iverson, Curry, Kyrie, Oscar Robertson, maybe a few others.

But I also don't really view Lillard as a "point guard". He's definitely just an undersized shooting guard playing a modern era "point guard". I guess the team is combo guard? I don't view Lillard like I do Iverson, Nash, Chris Paul, Gary Payton, etc.

[CTbasketball92]

Dame isn't better than LeBron, but I think he's clearly reached a level that Anthony Davis hasn't.

People complain about his playoff performances, but at least he's always able to get his team there no matter what.

He's able to create his own shot at will, he's got burst in his legs that never gives out and he can get to the line a lot, he can make shots from everywhere.

He's averaging 30/8/5 on 63 TS%, and is the first player since 1973 with 3 60 point games in one season.

I think people look at Dame like he's below the truly elite guards but he's clearly put himself up there with almost anyone in recent memory offensively.

His ability to kind of do it on command is ridiculous. This is a scoring season someone like Dwade and Kobe never had (I know the three point revolution didn't unfold yet, but still).

Definitely a top 6 or 7 player.

[insidious301]

I mean, there probably isn't a ton, but just off the top of my head I'd rather have Iverson, Curry, Kyrie, Oscar Robertson, maybe a few others.

But I also don't really view Lillard as a "point guard". He's definitely just an undersized shooting guard playing a modern era "point guard". I guess the team is combo guard? I don't view Lillard like I do Iverson, Nash, Chris Paul, Gary Payton, etc.

Fair post. Never saw Robertson play so wont comment. I think Lillard is on those other guys level when it pertains to scoring. Not better however on that level.

[Bronbron23]

That works until it doesnt.. Dude is old . I dont see him being able to turn it on and off like he once did.. That layoff hurt the Lakers cuz they look like garbage and Bron hasnt been able to do anything about it..

true. One year hes just not gonna get better or even get worse but i dont think it will be this year. We'll see

[BigtimeNBAFan]

I wouldn't say that, but he is the best scorer in the league. Hopefully Portland can close the deal and matchup with the Lakers. That is the series we all want to see. It is weird they were hyping up Tubby out of shape Zion vs Lebron instead of Dametime.

[Bronbron23]

Agreed, Bron23. You can tell in his body langauge that he is not in "playoff mode". Laughing and joking around yesterday during the final seconds of a close game. When it comes down to it, postseason play separates the top talent.



Yeah not going to argue it strongly, and haven't looked at his stats compared to other pointguards. Just my intuition based on the eye test. What other pointguard scorers are on a level above?

yup happens every year. Eventually it wont because father time gets everyone but it dosnt look like it will be this year

[tpols]

Trae Young is scoring more than Dame ever has in his second season. We just kinda forgot since we are real selective in who’s 2020 numbers we choose to give credit for.

Trae might come out and score 35 a game next year the way shits going. He’s probably 5 years from his prime. He put up 31/12 and 32/10 in the two months before the shutdown.

Trae has the worst DRTG on the 28th ranked defense in the league and negative overall splits. Dame outranks him efficiency wise 125 to 114 in ORTG.

That's the difference between lotto and wild wild west playoff team.

[Vino24]

So when Bron is guarding him and he’s putting up tony Allen numbers what will ops excuse be?

[Lebron23]

So when Bron is guarding him and he’s putting up tony Allen numbers what will ops excuse be?

He's going to get Curry'd in the first round of the playoffs.

[bullettooth]

A lot of players are better than LeBron at this point, LOL. His jock riding fanbase can't come to terms with that..... most of it is still the media.

[Gougou]

But LBJ hard carry teams in the playoffs... Dame can't do it... swiped by AD once and GSW once.

[Rudeboy3]

lebron legit hasn't been a top 5 player in the bubble

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Probably not.

But Dame is a killer. His focus is on 100 rn and dude isn't getting winded. Pulling for him and Melo.

[Marchesk]

Lebron can score 60 whenever he wants. Lillard can only do it when the teams needs it.

[SATAN]

Threads like this are why I keep coming back to this clown infested shit hole. :oldlol:

:facepalm

[insight]

Trae has the worst DRTG on the 28th ranked defense in the league and negative overall splits. Dame outranks him efficiency wise 125 to 114 in ORTG.

That's the difference between lotto and wild wild west playoff team.

The difference is the supporting cast. The only reason why Portland is relevant now is because the team is healthy, when the roster was depleted Dame was losing just like Trae. Portland wouldn't even make the play in game without Melo who hit several clutch buckets in several games. Trae's game is different than Dame, that's why Trae is 2nd in assist as well as a top 5 scorer. Dame provides leadership, scores on every level and is a great closer which every higher echelon team needs.
With that said what he is doing scoring wise is not uncommon in this Era. The goal of the league was to increase scoring and eliminate the physicality of Basketball and they have succeeded.

[aj1987]

Why cant we give Dame props without taking a cheap shot at Lebron? Incredible game by Lillard but come on.

My first thought as well.


Man, Lillard has been ridiculously fun to watch. I just wish we could've seen Clips vs Blazers in the first round. That would've been amazing. Nothing better than seeing Beverley getting wrecked.

[Manny98]

OP keep that same energy after Lebron sweeps the Blazers in the first round :lol

[ImKobe]

He's going to get Curry'd in the first round of the playoffs.

Gonna get locked down like in 2018.

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

if you're an elite scorer & defender with a reliable jumpshot (Kawhi/Durant/George) then you're better than LeBrick

[Wally450]

if you're an elite scorer & defender with a reliable jumpshot (Kawhi/Durant/George) then you're better than LeBrick

Did any of them lead all 5 major categories in a Finals series?

[Turbo Slayer]

Dame is definitely better than Bron in the Bubble. Thats for sure.

[ImKobe]

Dame is definitely better than Bron. Thats for sure.

Respect.

[Turbo Slayer]

Respect. Ah yes SIR! I commend you for getting mindfu.cked by Kobe. I offer you the 'Kobe lover' degree. Respect.

[jayfan]

There is no debate between Lebron and Lillard.. Lillard is the better player at this point.. The guy is amazing.. :bowdown:

Luka is a great player but he has choked a lot this season.. Still my second fav player..

I can't stand Lebron, and hate writing a post that seems like I'm defending him, but that's a ridiculous statement. Dame Lillard is a great shooter/scorer.
The end.

Trivia question for ya: When was the last time Lillard wasn't swept in a playoff exit?

(Clue- Obama was still president)

[Vino24]

Kobe must have had the Lakers as the 1 seed when he was 35 years old

[Doranku]

Why cant we give Dame props without taking a cheap shot at Lebron? Incredible game by Lillard but come on.

I don't think OP is meaning to take a cheap shot at Bran. He is a Bran stan; I think he is just frustrated watching Lillard dominate the bubble while Bran and the Lakers are struggling.

[RRR3]

I don't think OP is meaning to take a cheap shot at Bran. He is a Bran stan; I think he is just frustrated watching Lillard dominate the bubble while Bran and the Lakers are struggling.
LeBron is at an age where it wouldn’t be surprising if he had declined during the time off.

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

Did any of them lead all 5 major categories in a Finals series?

Unfortunately no they did not stat pad :cry:

[Doranku]

LeBron is at an age where it wouldn’t be surprising if he had declined during the time off.

Normally, yeah. But it's Bran. Once the playoffs start I fully expect him to return to MVP form.

[Vino24]

Unfortunately no they did not stat pad :cry:

How do you statpad in the finals being down 3-1? You babbling brook.

[aj1987]

Unfortunately no they did not stat pad :cry:

Why do you feel the need to create so many accounts? Are all your other accounts banned?

[insidious301]

Why do you feel the need to create so many accounts? Are all your other accounts banned?

You're a good poster, aj1987. Saw your back and forths with ImKobe and you raised great counterpoints. Any other posters you would recommend reading? I started posting here again just recently, but there are only a few I can legitimately respond to.

[aj1987]

You're a good poster, aj1987. Saw your back and forths with ImKobe and you raised great counterpoints. Any other posters you would recommend reading? I started posting here again just recently, but there are only a few I can legitimately respond to.

Very few good posters are left. Off the top of my head:

Kuniva - Legit unbiased and knows his shit. I remember having my differences with him, but he's a chill dude and knowledgeable.

Phoenix - While not dealing with trolls, he is actually someone who you can have a conversation about basketball with.

Roundball - I've had my disagreements with him, but he brings in facts. It's always nice to discuss ball with people who ignore their feelings and talk facts.

costalmaker - Again, another dude, who I might not agree with, but I respect him. Discusses only ball with no BS.

roundmound - Massive Chuck stan, but he knows his shit.

southbeachtalent - All this trolling has reduced him, but he still posts and is a very good one.



Might be forgetting a couple of others.

Not too many people left. fpliii, shaqisgoat, k xerxes, plowking, Milbuck (who I'm pretty sure was moe), BigKat, niko, blackwaves, KG215, All Net, Legends666, Myth, etc..

[Phoenix]

LeBron is at an age where it wouldn’t be surprising if he had declined during the time off.

4 months had passed since play was suspended and the re-start. That's the equivalent of the season ending in June and a new one starting in October. For all purposes most guys have off-season legs even if they've been training the last few months. Lillard seems to have picked up right where he left off but he has wayyyy less wear on the tires. Lebron in the last few years tends to pace himself and pick up steam as the season progresses. I would say the time off did more harm in terms of natural atrophy for a player of his age/mileage than if play had never stopped.

[Phoenix]

:cheers: on the shout-out AJ

[insidious301]

Very few good posters are left. Off the top of my head:

Kuniva - Legit unbiased and knows his shit. I remember having my differences with him, but he's a chill dude and knowledgeable.

Phoenix - While not dealing with trolls, he is actually someone who you can have a conversation about basketball with.

Roundball - I've had my disagreements with him, but he brings in facts. It's always nice to discuss ball with people who ignore their feelings and talk facts.

costalmaker - Again, another dude, who I might not agree with, but I respect him. Discusses only ball with no BS.

roundmound - Massive Chuck stan, but he knows his shit.

southbeachtalent - All this trolling has reduced him, but he still posts and is a very good one.



Might be forgetting a couple of others.

Not too many people left. fpliii, shaqisgoat, k xerxes, plowking, Milbuck (who I'm pretty sure was moe), BigKat, niko, blackwaves, KG215, All Net, Legends666, Myth, etc..

Thanks for breaking that down. I have communicated with phoenix, roundball, kuniva and roundmound. You are correct, they're the best we have at the moment. rrr isn't so bad. Shaqisgoat, fpliii & legends were good too from what I can recall. I like giving posters benefit of the doubt & responding with what I know, but there are too many who show their true colors. And are outed as trolls. Your posts hammer the facts, so I can appreciate that.

[aj1987]

Thanks for breaking that down. I have communicated with phoenix, roundball, kuniva and roundmound. You are correct, they're the best we have at the moment. rrr isn't so bad. Shaqisgoat, fpliii & legends were good too from what I can recall. I like giving posters benefit of the doubt & responding with what I know, but there are too many who show their true colors. And are outed as trolls. Your posts hammer the facts, so I can appreciate that.

Yep. RRR is a good poster (in the NBA forum :oldlol:). Forgot about DMAVS, Micku, Ainosterhaspie, PJR, and tontoz.

[Overdrive]

southbeachtalent - All this trolling has reduced him, but he still posts and is a very good one.



Might be forgetting a couple of others.

Not too many people left. fpliii, shaqisgoat, k xerxes, plowking, Milbuck (who I'm pretty sure was moe), BigKat, niko, blackwaves, KG215, All Net, Legends666, Myth, etc..

You can't survive this board without a hint of trolling. No way you can read a 3ball thread and seriously respond.

It used to be better when the cited posters and others were still active, but it's 90% blind honerism and trolling now.

[FromDowntown]

So when Bron is guarding him and he’s putting up tony Allen numbers what will ops excuse be?

LeVino the prophet

[MaxPlayer]

Well this thread has aged well

[1987_Lakers]

Similar thread was made last season. It was a Lillard > Curry thread, then Curry proceeded to shit on him in the WCF.

[Axe]

This thread backfired now

[AintNoSunshine]

Epic thread!

[hold this L]

The ISH overreaction jinx threads, you gotta love it

[CTbasketball92]

This thread was always an overreaction, even if LeBron was a diminished scorer he was still easily a top 5 player. It looks like he might not be that diminished as a scorer, idk Blazers have no one to guard him.

All that said, this isn't really an even matchup and Dame has essentially been in the playoffs for two weeks. Give him credit, he's a top 8 or 9 player at worst. But they can't beat the lakers.

[RoseCity07]

This thread was always an overreaction, even if LeBron was a diminished scorer he was still easily a top 5 player. It looks like he might not be that diminished as a scorer, idk Blazers have no one to guard him.

All that said, this isn't really an even matchup and Dame has essentially been in the playoffs for two weeks. Give him credit, he's a top 8 or 9 player at worst. But they can't beat the lakers.

This. As I said too, Lillard isn't on Lebron's level because it's so easy for Lebron.

[SpaceJammeR]

its crazy that lebron is still the best player in the world at age 40. time to pass that crown to baby bron.

[scuzzy]

This. As I said too, Lillard isn't on Lebron's level because it's so easy for Lebron.
Lillard is getting clamped by Caruso. Lakers backcourt are retired and g-leaguers


CJ and Dame should be feasting and they simply aren't

[Lebron23]

Thread didn't age well

[John_Connor]

Thread didn't age well

neither did your cousin but that didn't stop you from f*cking her

[Lebron23]

neither did your cousin but that didn't stop you from f*cking her


Jeff is going to ban you again.

[Vino24]

neither did your cousin but that didn't stop you from f*cking her

Reported

[John_Connor]

Reported

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?501425-You-can-legally-marry-your-2nd-cousin-in-the-US-and-in-the-Philippines