View Full Version : Liberals, tell me why Trump is “so much worse than Biden”
And you can’t use mean tweets. Go!
rawimpact
08-12-2020, 10:59 AM
I may not lean left but I do think Biden takes better to counsel. He listens or atleast pretends to listen to his advisors. Not that it makes much difference in terms of policy but he isn't as crude speaking publicly or re/tweeting... but def. more pedo-like.
I may not lean left but I do think Biden takes better to counsel. He listens or atleast pretends to listen to his advisors.
1. His advisors will be neoliberal shitbags who are greedy warmongers. So listening to them isn’t a positive
2. Biden is so senile I think he’s getting close to the point where anyone could convince him of anything
imdaman99
08-12-2020, 11:01 AM
He doesn't have an ego the size of Texas. Can we have a normal dude that doesn't think he's the greatest at everything in the history of history?
Lol ok so akchually I know Biden is not normal
rawimpact
08-12-2020, 11:02 AM
1. His advisors will be neoliberal shitbags who are greedy warmongers. So listening to them isn’t a positive
2. Biden is so senile I think he’s getting close to the point where anyone could convince him of anything
Listening to anyone is positive, regardless of whether or not you agree. It's a difference of opinion which always has value. And your latter remark, that's yet to be seen. I want to see a debate with impromptu dialogue to make that decision myself.
He doesn't have an ego the size of Texas. Can we have a normal dude that doesn't think he's the greatest at everything in the history of history?
Lol ok so akchually I know Biden is not normal
And Trump doesn’t challenge potential voters to fights :confusedshrug:
Are you going to give me policy reasons or personality flaws?
Nanners
08-12-2020, 11:07 AM
It really just bugs me you pass yourself off as something you’re not is all. I don’t know any leftist who says the things you say. I could have believed you were a tankie, but you shut down that theory, so I have to assume you just think you’re a leftist because you supported Bernie. But plenty of right wingers voted for Bernie, that’s why he was such a good candidate, he had broad appeal. I agree with plenty of what you write, but I also agree with plenty of things Starface writes and no one would call him a leftist.
Listening to anyone is positive, regardless of whether or not you agree. It's a difference of opinion which always has value. And your latter remark, that's yet to be seen. I want to see a debate with impromptu dialogue to make that decision myself.
Listening is good, but so is having a functional brain.
I thought you were a Trump guy. What has he done to make you consider Biden?
rawimpact
08-12-2020, 11:16 AM
Listening is good, but so is having a functional brain.
I thought you were a Trump guy. What has he done to make you consider Biden?
I am for Trump, but it has nothing to do with his personality but rather his policy that benefits me the most. Just because I align with the Don doesnt take away from his weaknesses as a president. I will not vote Democrat because the majority of their values do not align with mine. I am a moderate republican and as long as that party and I share more similarities I will have to vote that way because of this idiotic two party system.
Patrick Chewing
08-12-2020, 11:20 AM
Trump's brain is big. It's mossy. The man is roughly the same age as Biden, yet there are no signs of slippage in his cognitive abilities.
Not to mention Trump's physical prowess. If someone were to break into the White House and try to attack Trump, Trump would throw that chump through the Lincoln Bedroom window and onto the front lawn.
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 11:21 AM
Biden is not trying to win over "liberals"...he's trying to win over the center (a much bigger crowd)...even seep into winning over conservatives who think Trump is bad for the country.
Far leftists do not like Biden, and I think he even WANTS backlash from the far left...it will show the center that he is NOT a leftist...he is NOT going to bring socialism, NOT going to defund police, etc etc
rawimpact
08-12-2020, 11:23 AM
Biden is not trying to win over "liberals"...he's trying to win over the center (a much bigger crowd)...even seep into winning over conservatives who think Trump is bad for the country.
Far leftists do not like Biden, and I think he even WANTS backlash from the far left...it will show the center that he is NOT a leftist...he is NOT going to bring socialism, NOT going to defund police, etc etc
Actions speak louder than words
He literally went with a black female for VP. That is exactly who liberals would have chosen, so don't say he's not trying to win over liberals when he clearly went with the same choice.
We can both agree by policy there were better candidates that align in policy but he's obviously trying to pull votes here not strength.
Trump's brain is big. It's mossy. The man is roughly the same age as Biden, yet there are no signs of slippage in his cognitive abilities.
Not to mention Trump's physical prowess. If someone were to break into the White House and try to attack Trump, Trump would throw that chump through the Lincoln Bedroom window and onto the front lawn.
What do your homoerotic fantasies have to do with the subject of this thread?
Biden is not trying to win over "liberals"...he's trying to win over the center (a much bigger crowd)...even seep into winning over conservatives who think Trump is bad for the country.
Far leftists do not like Biden, and I think he even WANTS backlash from the far left...it will show the center that he is NOT a leftist...he is NOT going to bring socialism, NOT going to defund police, etc etc
Ah yes, the mythical center. Better to target them (it worked so well in 2016!) than a large block that consistently refuses to vote or votes third party (leftists) :rolleyes:
I don’t think you realize how easy it would be for someone like Bernie Sanders to win if the establishment let him. And Bernie isn’t even that far left. Btw liberals are not far left, where did you get that idea?
It really just bugs me you pass yourself off as something you’re not is all. I don’t know any leftist who says the things you say. I could have believed you were a tankie, but you shut down that theory, so I have to assume you just think you’re a leftist because you supported Bernie. But plenty of right wingers voted for Bernie, that’s why he was such a good candidate, he had broad appeal. I agree with plenty of what you write, but I also agree with plenty of things Starface writes and no one would call him a leftist.
Lol you’re so mad I see you for what you are. Doesn’t work on me bub, maybe you’ve convinced the liberals on here you’re a radical leftist, but I know better. Go cheer for the cops to beat up protestors some more, why don’t you?
TheMan
08-12-2020, 11:32 AM
I will freely admit it and I have mentioned it before that the reason I want Trump to lose is because of his supporters. I'm not talking about his soft supporters, I'm talking about his hardcore base. They all seem to be obnoxious, ungracious, arrogant, douchey kunts. Yeah I know it's a superficial reason to dislike a politician and I actually could see Trump's appeal but his supporters can go suck a dick. Besides, we all know a whole lot won't change between a Biden and Trump administration so who cares.
rawimpact
08-12-2020, 11:33 AM
I will freely admit it and I have mentioned it before that the reason I want Trump to lose is because of his supporters. I'm not talking about his soft supporters, I'm talking about his hardcore base. They all seem to be obnoxious, ungracious, arrogant, douchey kunts. Yeah I know it's a superficial reason to dislike a politician and I actually could see Trump's appeal but his supporters can go suck a dick. Besides, we all know a whole lot won't change between a Biden and Trump administration so who cares.
Do you really see more trump supporters vs trump haters outside of the internet?
Patrick Chewing
08-12-2020, 11:34 AM
I will freely admit it and I have mentioned it before that the reason I want Trump to lose is because of his supporters. I'm not talking about his soft supporters, I'm talking about his hardcore base. They all seem to be obnoxious, ungracious, arrogant, douchey kunts. Yeah I know it's a superficial reason to dislike a politician and I actually could see Trump's appeal but his supporters can go suck a dick. Besides, we all know a whole lot won't change between a Biden and Trump administration so who cares.
This guy says this with a straight face while Liberals are attacking people on streets, yelling at the top of their lungs, tearing down signs, promoting cancel culture, doxing people, stifling free speech, looting, rioting, crying, etc.
But yeah...Trump supporters are obnoxious, ungracious, arrogant, and we are douchey *****. :oldlol:
TheMan
08-12-2020, 11:35 AM
Listening is good, but so is having a functional brain.
I thought you were a Trump guy. What has he done to make you consider Biden?
You know RRR3 that always belittling Biden's cognitive abilities will only make the hurdle he needs to clear lower? Biden more than held his own vs Sanders, and let's face it, Trump himself isn't exactly an intellectual debater. Biden just sounding somewhat normal will be viewed as a win.
TheMan
08-12-2020, 11:36 AM
This guy says this with a straight face while Liberals are attacking people on streets, yelling at the top of their lungs, tearing down signs, promoting cancel culture, doxing people, stifling free speech, looting, rioting, crying, etc.
But yeah...Trump supporters are obnoxious, ungracious, arrogant, and we are douchey *****. :oldlol:
Those lefties can go suck a dick too but guess what, they ain't exactly Biden supporters either. Biden is a vanilla corporate candidate, not exactly ANTIFA material.
TheMan
08-12-2020, 11:38 AM
Do you really see more trump supporters vs trump haters outside of the internet?
No because there are more Trump haters than supporters...so much so that a shit candidate like Biden will clean his clock on Nov.
Nanners
08-12-2020, 11:39 AM
Lol you’re so mad I see you for what you are. Doesn’t work on me bub, maybe you’ve convinced the liberals on here you’re a radical leftist, but I know better. Go cheer for the cops to beat up protestors some more, why don’t you?
Do you really want to go down this road with me?
Patrick Chewing
08-12-2020, 11:42 AM
Do you really want to go down this road with me?
https://media0.giphy.com/media/hVTouq08miyVo1a21m/200.gif
rawimpact
08-12-2020, 11:45 AM
Those lefties can go suck a dick too but guess what, they ain't exactly Biden supporters either. Biden is a vanilla corporate candidate, not exactly ANTIFA material.
So those lefties you just choose not to pay any attention to, but rather address the righties by voting democrat?
If you're telling me those protesters in LEFT leaning states are not biden supporters we both know you're wrong. They are biden supporters as soon as they commit to vote for him.
The polls taken have already shown that liberals are willing to vote for anyone as long as it's not trump. That candidate doesnt even have to align with their views, as long as they can beat trump. Voting is what makes you a supporter, not having 100% alignment with a candidate.
EDIT:
In a Hill-HarrisX survey released Friday, 65 percent of registered voters who identified as Democrats or independents who lean Democratic said it was more important to choose a primary nominee who has the best chance of defeating Trump. Thirty-five percent of the group said they preferred a candidate who agreed with their top issue.
There was wide agreement across demographic groups of Democrats and left-leaning independents, with 70 percent of women and 60 percent of men saying they prioritized winning back the presidency over any one issue.
Eighty percent of those age 65 and older said they would prioritize defeating Trump, a view shared by 71 percent of those between the ages of 50 and 64.
Fifty-six percent of respondents between 35 and 49 said beating Trump was their top priority, with 58 percent of voters under the age of 35 saying the same.
The survey was conducted online May 10-11 among a representative sample of 1,000 registered voters with a confidence level of 95 percent and a sampling margin of error of 3.1 percentage points.
Do you really want to go down this road with me?
What are you going to do, call me a tranny or say I’m not black despite me posting pictures of my obviously black mother? :lol
You have nothing to attack me with I haven’t heard from your right wing chums. And at least they are honest about their beliefs.
TheMan
08-12-2020, 11:51 AM
So those lefties you just choose not to pay any attention to, but rather address the righties by voting democrat?
If you're telling me those protesters in LEFT leaning states are not biden supporters we both know you're wrong. They are biden supporters as soon as they commit to vote for him.
The polls taken have already shown that liberals are willing to vote for anyone as long as it's not trump. That candidate doesnt even have to align with their views, as long as they can beat trump. Voting is what makes you a supporter, not having 100% alignment with a candidate.
Truth be told, if Trump does in fact lose, it's all his damn fault anyways. He never tried reaching out, he should have at least tried pretending to unite the country. Always railing against those that didn't support him...that's a great way to hold on and solidify his base but it won't and hasn't expanded it. Now he has a lot more people voting against him than for Biden. That dumbass, I could easily have become a soft supporter of his if he wasn't so divisive. I know a lot of people who feel like I do...
I will freely admit it and I have mentioned it before that the reason I want Trump to lose is because of his supporters. I'm not talking about his soft supporters, I'm talking about his hardcore base. They all seem to be obnoxious, ungracious, arrogant, douchey kunts. Yeah I know it's a superficial reason to dislike a politician and I actually could see Trump's appeal but his supporters can go suck a dick. Besides, we all know a whole lot won't change between a Biden and Trump administration so who cares.
This is an absolutely terrible reason to support or oppose someone, I heard it from liberals about Bernie and his supporters all the time. At least you’re honest though.
Nanners
08-12-2020, 11:54 AM
What are you going to do, call me a tranny or say I’m not black despite me posting pictures of my obviously black mother? :lol
You have nothing to attack me with I haven’t heard from your right wing chums. And at least they are honest about their beliefs.
Nah, I will call you out for what you are - a fake liberal who pretends to have an open mind yet ultimately serves the interests of the corporate dem establishment.
Now begone, you non-black tranny
PS ur a jew
TheMan
08-12-2020, 11:55 AM
This is an absolutely terrible reason to support or oppose someone, I heard it from liberals about Bernie and his supporters all the time. At least you’re honest though.
You do know I supported Bernie, right? I wouldn't call myself a hardcore Bernie Bro but I would've voted for him for POTUS easily.
rawimpact
08-12-2020, 11:56 AM
Truth be told, if Trump does in fact lose, it's all his damn fault anyways. He never tried reaching out, he should have at least tried pretending to unite the country. Always railing against those that didn't support him...that's a great way to hold on and solidify his base but it won't and hasn't expanded it. Now he has a lot more people voting against him than for Biden. That dumbass, I could easily have become a soft supporter of his if he wasn't so divisive. I know a lot of people who feel like I do...
Oh I completely agree that he hasnt helped his cause by the way he communicates. But if we just put all subjective analysis aside and look based on policy which is what actually matters, he's not as RIGHT as he makes out to be.
Patrick Chewing
08-12-2020, 11:58 AM
Truth be told, if Trump does in fact lose, it's all his damn fault anyways. He never tried reaching out, he should have at least tried pretending to unite the country. Always railing against those that didn't support him...that's a great way to hold on and solidify his base but it won't and hasn't expanded it. Now he has a lot more people voting against him than for Biden. That dumbass, I could easily have become a soft supporter of his if he wasn't so divisive. I know a lot of people who feel like I do...
Trump is literally mentioning on a daily basis the unemployment rate of Black and Hispanics across the country and has had conferences with Blacks at the oval office and just the other day had the MEXICAN mother of the Fort Hood soldier who was brutally killed at the oval office and offered to pay for her funeral expenses.
https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2020/07/31/trump-meet-with-family-of-vanessa-guillen-1200x789.jpg
When are you going to look at yourself in the mirror and admit you are full of caca??
Nah, I will call you out for what you are - a fake liberal who pretends to have an open mind yet ultimately serves the interests of the corporate dem establishment.
Now begone, you non-black tranny
PS ur a jew
Yeah, supporting the Green Party definitely serves the democratic establishment. You have the mental capacity of a toad.
Nanners
08-12-2020, 12:01 PM
When are you going to look at yourself in the mirror and admit you are full of caca??
probably never, considering mexicans dont have mirrors... Maybe he will look at his reflection in a puddle tho
You do know I supported Bernie, right? I wouldn't call myself a hardcore Bernie Bro but I would've voted for him for POTUS easily.
I’m aware, and I respect that.
Nanners
08-12-2020, 12:03 PM
Yeah, supporting the Green Party definitely serves the democratic establishment. You have the mental capacity of a toad.
I voted green party in 2012 (I voted for a woman president before it was cool), you voted for the green party in 2016 when Hillary was desperate for your vote (in other words, Trump is your fault, asshole)... and yet I am the right-winger?
I voted green party in 2012 (I voted for a woman president before it was cool), you voted for the green party in 2016 when Hillary was desperate for your vote (in other words, Trump is your fault, asshole)... and yet I am the right-winger?
No I foolishly voted for Hillary in 2016 because I was an ignorant liberal back then. Hillary is right wing, though, so I’m not sure what your point is. I don’t think you’re not a leftist because you hate Biden if that’s what you think :lol I respect you for hating Biden he’s a very evil man. Again, tell me you’re a tankie and I will retract all my criticisms. You sound like either a tankie, some weird blend of populism from both sides or a guy pretending to be a leftist. I hate tankies but I won’t deny they’re on the left side of the spectrum, so if you are one, I apologize for doubting you.
Doomsday Dallas
08-12-2020, 12:07 PM
Just look at this stupid $hit:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/us/latinx-term-usage-hispanics-trnd/index.html
What is Latinx?
The term replaces the "o" in "Latino" or the "a" in "Latina" with an "x" to make it gender-neutral. But in doing so, its critics say, English speakers are imposing a term on the Hispanic and Latino population that doesn't make sense for them.
Just look at this stupid $hit:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/us/latinx-term-usage-hispanics-trnd/index.html
What is Latinx?
Yeah I hate that shit. By their logic that should count as “cultural appropriation” (also retarded), but gender issues come first I guess :lol
Nanners
08-12-2020, 12:13 PM
No I foolishly voted for Hillary in 2016 because I was an ignorant liberal back then. Hillary is right wing, though, so I’m not sure what your point is. I don’t think you’re not a leftist because you hate Biden if that’s what you think :lol I respect you for hating Biden he’s a very evil man. Again, tell me you’re a tankie and I will retract all my criticisms. You sound like either a tankie, some weird blend of populism from both sides or a guy pretending to be a leftist. I hate tankies but I won’t deny they’re on the left side of the spectrum, so if you are one, I apologize for doubting you.
So I have been progressive for almost a decade longer than you, and yet you still have the chutzpah to question my wisdom ... why dont you show some respect for your elders, you stupid ass ****face child.
I dont know what tankie means, but according to urban dictionary its something about being a communist. Anyway I am not a communist, so I doubt I am a tankie... so you can go and suck my tankie
So I have been progressive for almost a decade longer than you, and yet you still have the chutzpah to question my wisdom ... why dont you show some respect for your elders, you stupid ass ****face child.
I dont know what tankie means, but according to urban dictionary its something about being a communist. Anyway I am not a communist, so I doubt I am a tankie
I respect some of your views for sure, I don’t respect you as a person because you’re generally a pretty unpleasant fellow :confusedshrug:
Tankies generally mean people who defend the likes of Joseph Stalin, it is not a synonym for just being a Communist. I have plenty of respect for Communists, but tankies are authoritarian shitbags who just happen to be right about economic stuff from a moral perspective.
Patrick Chewing
08-12-2020, 12:16 PM
probably never, considering mexicans dont have mirrors... Maybe he will look at his reflection in a puddle tho
Or from a tequila bottle
TheMan
08-12-2020, 12:18 PM
probably never, considering mexicans dont have mirrors... Maybe he will look at his reflection in a puddle tho
Lol, this actually made me laugh.
Go fukk yourself, pal :cheers:
tpols
08-12-2020, 12:19 PM
Or from a tequila bottle
maybe primo will see his likeness in a tortilla even.
Nanners
08-12-2020, 12:19 PM
I respect some of your views for sure, I don’t respect you as a person because you’re generally a pretty unpleasant fellow :confusedshrug:
Tankies generally mean people who defend the likes of Joseph Stalin, it is not a synonym for just being a Communist. I have plenty of respect for Communists, but tankies are authoritarian shitbags who just happen to be right about economic stuff from a moral perspective.
Thats nice.. I respect you when you arent acting like a ****
My economic views lean further and further toward the capitalist end of the spectrum with each passing day... so I dunno if Tankie is a particularly accurate way to describe me
TheMan
08-12-2020, 12:19 PM
Just look at this stupid $hit:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/us/latinx-term-usage-hispanics-trnd/index.html
What is Latinx?
That really isn't a thing
Lol, this actually made me laugh.
Go fukk yourself, pal :cheers:
Careful, he’ll call the cops on you.
TheMan
08-12-2020, 12:22 PM
maybe primo will see his likeness in a tortilla even.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS2ROc-LagmPcXfmXmjCS_v3vbNpUiYykIJkO6wYCV98dkA6pwSd0E_rp Rk&s=10
Thats nice.. I respect you when you arent acting like a ****
My economic views lean further and further toward the capitalist end of the spectrum with each passing day... so I dunno if Tankie is a particularly accurate way to describe me
We could have been friends, Nan, we could have been friends :lol
For real though, since I stopped being liberal I’ve learned to respect people who have different opinions than me. I’m even starting to have some respect for Starface. Realizing liberals are completely brainwashed opened me up to the realization that the same is true for those on the right, and many of them are still decent people. One of the nicest guys I knew at my old job was a Trump supporter, in fact. I’m definitely a ****, no arguments there, I’m absolutely relishing in being able to say what I actually believe since I stopped caring about PC stuff. It’s getting me attacked by liberals I know rn :lol
That really isn't a thing
It is :lol
What are your thoughts on this, as a native Spanish speaker? I think it’s retarded SJW bullshit personally.
Nanners
08-12-2020, 12:27 PM
We could have been friends, Nan, we could have been friends :lol
You started it
For real though, since I stopped being liberal I’ve learned to respect people who have different opinions than me. I’m even starting to have some respect for Starface. Realizing liberals are completely brainwashed opened me up to the realization that the same is true for those on the right, and many of them are still decent people. One of the nicest guys I knew at my old job was a Trump supporter, in fact. I’m definitely a ****, no arguments there, I’m absolutely relishing in being able to say what I actually believe since I stopped caring about PC stuff. It’s getting me attacked by liberals I know rn :lol
:oldlol:
If i was an asshole I would ask you how starfaces dick tastes... but im a nice guy so I only want to know how my dick tastes
You started it
:oldlol:
If i was an asshole I would ask you how starfaces dick tastes... but im a nice guy so I only want to know how my dick tastes
I only suck the dick of trans women, haven’t you learned anything?
TheMan
08-12-2020, 12:32 PM
It is :lol
What are your thoughts on this, as a native Spanish speaker? I think it’s retarded SJW bullshit personally.
I have no thoughts on it since it isn't a thing, like I stated before. It's some new age corporate woke bullshit. The article itself says that only 3% of the Hispanic population have used the term latinx. Ask Chewing to confirm, bet he's never used it.
Nanners
08-12-2020, 12:39 PM
I only suck the dick of trans women, haven’t you learned anything?
news flash shitlord, everyone with a dick is secretly a trans woman... now show some respect and suck harder
I have no thoughts on it since it isn't a thing, like I stated before. It's some new age corporate woke bullshit. The article itself says that only 3% of the Hispanic population have used the term latinx. Ask Chewing to confirm, bet he's never used it.
Yeah I feel that man. My friend thinks a lot of the woke bullshit is a CIA psyop to divide the left (or what qualifies as left in America at least) and I can’t shake the feeling he’s right. Does that make me insane? :lol
Patrick Chewing
08-12-2020, 12:41 PM
news flash shitlord
:oldlol:
news flash shitlord, everyone with a dick is secretly a trans woman... now show some respect and suck harder
So you’re saying men do not exist?
Nanners
08-12-2020, 12:44 PM
So you’re saying men do not exist?
I am saying that gender is a construct of feeble minds (like yours, apparently)
btw how dare you attempt to assume or understand what genders do or dont exist... I cant believe how offended I am right now
I am saying that gender is a construct of feeble minds (like yours, apparently)
btw how dare you attempt to assume or understand what genders do or dont exist... I cant believe how offended I am right now
I must admit I still care too much what my liberal friends would think to talk like this (except to my two closest friends, both of whom aren’t liberals) but I do find a lot of the gender stuff to be bullshit. Everyone can’t be non-binary :lol, I’m perfectly willing to address people however they want, but I think some of this stuff goes too far (there’s a difference between gender roles being a construct and actual gender being a construct IMO).
tpols
08-12-2020, 12:58 PM
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS2ROc-LagmPcXfmXmjCS_v3vbNpUiYykIJkO6wYCV98dkA6pwSd0E_rp Rk&s=10
:lol
Nanners
08-12-2020, 01:03 PM
I must admit I still care too much what my liberal friends would think to talk like this (except to my two closest friends, both of whom aren’t liberals) but I do find a lot of the gender stuff to be bullshit. Everyone can’t be non-binary :lol, I’m perfectly willing to address people however they want, but I think some of this stuff goes too far (there’s a difference between gender roles being a construct and actual gender being a construct IMO).
How ****ing dare you... cant belive how triggered I am right now
How ****ing dare you... cant belive how triggered I am right now
Lol this is the only public forum I can say that shit on. You ever heard what George Carlin had to say about political correctness?
https://youtu.be/7EMiSsxpP0E
Nanners
08-12-2020, 01:10 PM
Lol this is the only public forum I can say that shit on. You ever heard what George Carlin had to say about political correctness?
https://youtu.be/7EMiSsxpP0E
Of course I heard that... everyone knows that Carlin said political correctness is for ni****s
Of course I heard that... everyone knows that Carlin said political correctness is for ni****s
He’d be disgusted with how bad it’s gotten I’m sure
Nanners
08-12-2020, 01:13 PM
He’d be disgusted with how bad it’s gotten I’m sure
yeah but he'd mainly be disgusted with the libtards who are trying to limit what people are allowed to say...
yeah but he'd mainly be disgusted with the libtards who are trying to limit what people are allowed to say...
That’s what I meant :lol
Someone told me I was sexist for mocking people for (in the hypothetical future) “YAS KWEENING” Kamala Harris when she bombs the Middle East and locks up countless people :roll:
Nanners
08-12-2020, 01:19 PM
That’s what I meant :lol
Someone told me I was sexist for mocking people for (in the hypothetical future) “YAS KWEENING” Kamala Harris when she bombs the Middle East and locks up countless people :roll:
wow cant believe a so-called "progressive" would say such a horribly racist/sexist thing
no doubt I speak for all of ISH when I say that I hope Kamala puts you on her progressive drone strike kill list
bladefd
08-12-2020, 02:29 PM
Actions speak louder than words
He literally went with a black female for VP. That is exactly who liberals would have chosen, so don't say he's not trying to win over liberals when he clearly went with the same choice.
We can both agree by policy there were better candidates that align in policy but he's obviously trying to pull votes here not strength.
Harris is as conservative as you can be and still be a Democrat. If she was any more conservative, she would be a republican.
bladefd
08-12-2020, 02:33 PM
Ah yes, the mythical center. Better to target them (it worked so well in 2016!) than a large block that consistently refuses to vote or votes third party (leftists) :rolleyes:
I don’t think you realize how easy it would be for someone like Bernie Sanders to win if the establishment let him. And Bernie isn’t even that far left. Btw liberals are not far left, where did you get that idea?
Nah, Hillary targeted Bernie supporters as we got close to the general election in 2016 and she failed to get them. She just didn't seem genuine at all. This time they are using a little bit different strategy
rawimpact
08-12-2020, 02:34 PM
Harris is as conservative as you can be and still be a Democrat. If she was any more conservative, she would be a republican.
Exactly what I am saying...
bladefd
08-12-2020, 02:44 PM
Oh I completely agree that he hasnt helped his cause by the way he communicates. But if we just put all subjective analysis aside and look based on policy which is what actually matters, he's not as RIGHT as he makes out to be.
There is no consistency in Trump administration. It has been a revolving door of advisors and cabinet. Policy has hardly been consistent because the people advising it keep changing. There has been too much turmoil and division inside the white house, and that chaos has often spilled into the public. The chaos all begins at the very top and works it way down.
rawimpact
08-12-2020, 02:54 PM
There is no consistency in Trump administration. It has been a revolving door of advisors and cabinet. Policy has hardly been consistent because the people advising it keep changing. There has been too much turmoil and division inside the white house, and that chaos has often spilled into the public. The chaos all begins at the very top and works it way down.
Ok cool, objectively speaking, what policies have changed throughout all this? I don't care for the TMZ news outlet, tell me what policies have changed throughout this turmoil
Nanners
08-12-2020, 02:55 PM
Ok cool, objectively speaking, what policies have changed throughout all this? I don't care for the TMZ news outlet, tell me what policies have changed throughout this turmoil
What the **** is wrong with you? Havent you ever heard of a concept called "orange is man bad"?
bladefd
08-12-2020, 03:08 PM
Ok cool, objectively speaking, what policies have changed throughout all this? I don't care for the TMZ news outlet, tell me what policies have changed throughout this turmoil
How many examples do you want? Here's one.. Environment safeguards have been pulled and things like fuel efficiency passed by Obama administration have been dismantled. EPA has been taken apart.
rawimpact
08-12-2020, 03:25 PM
How many examples do you want? Here's one.. Environment safeguards have been pulled and things like fuel efficiency passed by Obama administration have been dismantled. EPA has been taken apart.
I'm not talking about changes from one presidency to another, i'm talking within the same presidency. Here you are complaining about staff members coming and going but what changes/flip flops have there been within the presidency term? I bet Biden has had more flipflops during the election process so far, hell, maybe just this week.
ArbitraryWater
08-12-2020, 04:02 PM
OP has them SEETHING
OP has them SEETHING
Lol now you’re a fan of me eh?
Manny98
08-12-2020, 04:26 PM
I will freely admit it and I have mentioned it before that the reason I want Trump to lose is because of his supporters. I'm not talking about his soft supporters, I'm talking about his hardcore base. They all seem to be obnoxious, ungracious, arrogant, douchey kunts. Yeah I know it's a superficial reason to dislike a politician and I actually could see Trump's appeal but his supporters can go suck a dick. Besides, we all know a whole lot won't change between a Biden and Trump administration so who cares.
What a pathetic reason for wanting someone to lose.
And as other people said these BLM liberals are 100× worse than you're average Trump Supporter
Overdrive
08-12-2020, 04:29 PM
We could have been friends, Nan, we could have been friends :lol
For real though, since I stopped being liberal I’ve learned to respect people who have different opinions than me. I’m even starting to have some respect for Starface. Realizing liberals are completely brainwashed opened me up to the realization that the same is true for those on the right, and many of them are still decent people. One of the nicest guys I knew at my old job was a Trump supporter, in fact. I’m definitely a ****, no arguments there, I’m absolutely relishing in being able to say what I actually believe since I stopped caring about PC stuff. It’s getting me attacked by liberals I know rn :lol
What do you identify as rn?
I think starface's biggest problem is that he lumps anything left of maga together and attacks it not realizing that liberals(man I hate that term, because it doesn't really describe what they stand for) aren't really left.
Also think PC is BS, some social justice on the other hand is overdue, but the way for example 3rd wave feminists act will cause backlash for women, who really struggle. Same for minorities etc.
What do you identify as rn?
I think starface's biggest problem is that he lumps anything left of maga together and attacks it not realizing that liberals(man I hate that term, because it doesn't really describe what they stand for) aren't really left.
Also think PC is BS, some social justice on the other hand is overdue, but the way for example 3rd wave feminists act will cause backlash for women, who really struggle. Same for minorities etc.
I currently would best describe myself as a Democratic Socialist (an actual one, not the pretend kind like Bernie and AOC lol). I also believe strongly in Marx’s “from each according to his ability to each according to his needs”, so I guess one could call me a Marxist? Of the politicians I have read about so far (not many I admit) I would say I am most similar to Salvador Allende.
FourthTenor
08-12-2020, 04:49 PM
What do you identify as rn?
I think starface's biggest problem is that he lumps anything left of maga together and attacks it not realizing that liberals(man I hate that term, because it doesn't really describe what they stand for) aren't really left.
Also think PC is BS, some social justice on the other hand is overdue, but the way for example 3rd wave feminists act will cause backlash for women, who really struggle. Same for minorities etc.
You perceive it this way because there's nothing "right" of MAGA that's actually relevant enough to be worth discussing.
Do you want me to condemn the Westboro Baptist Church more? They're a tiny group made up of like two dozen nutjobs. You want me to really sink my teeth into em here on ISH?
Sure, by all means. FVCK THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH! FVCK THOSE FUNERAL PICKETING FAKKITS. THEYRE ATTENTION WHORING MORONS.
I mean... is that good?
The problem in this country isn't about "too little government" it's about lazy, selfish, ignorant people. All these people claim they want all sorts of economic utopias, because it sounds really smart and progressive, right? And then when you tell them, ok, here's a list of volunteer organizations that will allow you to contribute your time and money to making your community better... they then hop on the internet and start claiming the lack of gender identities available on government forms is the problem. Like... all of the pomp and circumstance is about lost little kids wanting a way to feel like relevant heroes. They're not trying to get up off their ass and help DICK. They want more social clout for less action. The most they'll do is walk around the street with their first in the air. Achieving nothing.
That's their problem. They don't have a right to turn everyone else's life upside down because they're lost and confused.
And if you want to make it EASIER to focus on group cooperation and advancement and progress, the FIRST PLACE YOU START is quality of people. That means regulating immigration, and kicking habitual criminals and bums and junkies, including American citizens, the **** OUT.
You don't have the stomach to follow through with the RIGHT approach to achieving your goals? So be it. But don't scapegoat me. I'm not being paid anything to tell it like it is. There's no special interest behind my message. If you can't handle the truth, that's on you big guy.
bladefd
08-12-2020, 04:49 PM
I'm not talking about changes from one presidency to another, i'm talking within the same presidency. Here you are complaining about staff members coming and going but what changes/flip flops have there been within the presidency term? I bet Biden has had more flipflops during the election process so far, hell, maybe just this week.
Here's a recent example.. The switch in policy pertaining to covid. Initially, Trump was claiming it was a Democrat hoax & would go away quickly by itself then once his poll numbers began to plummet in March, his advisors urged him to change his tune on covid, which he eventually did, to stop the free fall in polls.
Overdrive
08-12-2020, 04:52 PM
I currently would best describe myself as a Democratic Socialist (an actual one, not the pretend kind like Bernie and AOC lol). I also believe strongly in Marx’s “from each according to his ability to each according to his needs”, so I guess one could call me a Marxist? Of the politicians I have read about so far (not many I admit) I would say I am most similar to Salvador Allende.
I think the other way round is more healthy for a society. Social democracy. The problem about socialism of any ilk is that you will never be able to get rid of political leaders and at that very moment the socialistic system becomes void. It's better to accept some sort of hierachy, but one that doesn't neclect the lower classes. The public has to hold the politicians accountable and that's the biggest problem in the US. The two party shitshow allows them to throw in one shit candidates after another, which exactly doesn't make Trump better or worse than Biden. It's the same. 100%.
Marx laid some groundwork, but his most radical ideas were misused and destroyed most of eastern Europe for good.
You perceive it this way because there's nothing "right" of MAGA that's actually relevant enough to be worth discussing.
Do you want me to condemn the Westboro Baptist Church more? They're a tiny group made up of like two dozen nutjobs. You want me to really sink my teeth into em here on ISH?
Sure, by all means. FVCK THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH! FVCK THOSE FUNERAL PICKETING FAKKITS. THEYRE ATTENTION WHORING MORONS.
I mean... is that good?
The problem in this country isn't about "too little government" it's about lazy, selfish, ignorant people. All these people claim they want all sorts of economic utopias, because it sounds really smart and progressive, right? And then when you tell them, ok, here's a list of volunteer organizations that will allow you to contribute your time and money to making your community better... they then hop on the internet and start claiming the lack of gender identities available on government forms is the problem. Like... all of the pomp and circumstance is about lost little kids wanting a way to feel like relevant heroes. They're not trying to get up off their ass and help DICK. They want more social clout for less action. The most they'll do is walk around the street with their first in the air. Achieving nothing.
That's their problem. They don't have a right to turn everyone else's life upside down because they're lost and confused.
And if you want to make it EASIER to focus on group cooperation and advancement and progress, the FIRST PLACE YOU START is quality of people. That means regulating immigration, and kicking habitual criminals and bums and junkies, including American citizens, the **** OUT.
You don't have the stomach to follow through with the RIGHT approach to achieving your goals? So be it. But don't scapegoat me. I'm not being paid anything to tell it like it is. There's no special interest behind my message. If you can't handle the truth, that's on you big guy.
Why would you be opposed to universal healthcare? Money out of politics? Affordable housing? Addressing income inequality? The green new deal? Defunding the pentagon? All these things would improve the quality of life for Americans. Just curious man, why oppose these policies, we can afford them with cuts to stuff like military and police.
Overdrive
08-12-2020, 05:16 PM
You perceive it this way because there's nothing "right" of MAGA that's actually relevant enough to be worth discussing.
Do you want me to condemn the Westboro Baptist Church more? They're a tiny group made up of like two dozen nutjobs. You want me to really sink my teeth into em here on ISH?
Sure, by all means. FVCK THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH! FVCK THOSE FUNERAL PICKETING FAKKITS. THEYRE ATTENTION WHORING MORONS.
I mean... is that good?
The problem in this country isn't about "too little government" it's about lazy, selfish, ignorant people. All these people claim they want all sorts of economic utopias, because it sounds really smart and progressive, right? And then when you tell them, ok, here's a list of volunteer organizations that will allow you to contribute your time and money to making your community better... they then hop on the internet and start claiming the lack of gender identities available on government forms is the problem. Like... all of the pomp and circumstance is about lost little kids wanting a way to feel like relevant heroes. They're not trying to get up off their ass and help DICK. They want more social clout for less action. The most they'll do is walk around the street with their first in the air. Achieving nothing.
That's their problem. They don't have a right to turn everyone else's life upside down because they're lost and confused.
And if you want to make it EASIER to focus on group cooperation and advancement and progress, the FIRST PLACE YOU START is quality of people. That means regulating immigration, and kicking habitual criminals and bums and junkies, including American citizens, the **** OUT.
You don't have the stomach to follow through with the RIGHT approach to achieving your goals? So be it. But don't scapegoat me. I'm not being paid anything to tell it like it is. There's no special interest behind my message. If you can't handle the truth, that's on you big guy.
QED. I'm not asking you to attack rightwingers. I said you attack real leftists, because you mistake them for liberals. I once anwered you some questions and you were quite surprised, Why? Because you have no clue that some of Trump's policies, the guy you defend every day, are actually more social and leftists than anything any candidate in the last 50 years presented.
The big deal is that liberals use some real leftist goals(universal health care for example), but mostly they're selfish thought Nazis who dgaf about anything they don't personally profit from.
You also mistake me for some virtue signaling liberal. I'm just telling you there are other political systems in place that work, systems that provide benefits for a broader scale of people. Systems that could help the US, but are deemed commie, liberal(when they are actually not) or whatever. I don't need to join such an organization as I'm pretty content as of rn. If I was in the US joining one would be stupid either, because the system itself would need to change. The salvation army won't do that. Trump won't do that. Biden won't. A revolution will, but BLM isn't the revolution you need. The poorer half of the population, conservative or not, dirt poor up to the middle class need to unite. They need to revolt against the powers that be. Until that doesn't happen it will be a perpetuum mobile of shit.
Rolando
08-12-2020, 05:26 PM
Things that Trump has done well:
1 - Confronted China
2 - Cracked down on immigration
3 - Pulled out of the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP)
Things that Trump did not do well:
1 - Covid 19 response
2 - George Floyd riot response
3 - Killing the deal with Iran
4 - Generally being a poor representation of the United States to the international community
What Biden will bring:
1. He is not Trump
2. There's no platform here, so I don't know what to say....No Medicare for all.....No legaliziing Marijuana....
3. He most likely will have better advisors and will create a better Cabinet.
4. Can't think of anything else.....Perhaps he will be less offensive to the rest of the world?
FourthTenor
08-12-2020, 05:35 PM
QED. I'm not asking you to attack rightwingers. I said you attack real leftists, because you mistake them for liberals. I once anwered you some questions and you were quite surprised, Why? Because you have no clue that some of Trump's policies, the guy you defend every day, are actually more social and leftists than anything any candidate in the last 50 years presented.
The big deal is that liberals use some real leftist goals(universal health care for example), but mostly they're selfish thought Nazis who dgaf about anything they don't personally profit from.
You also mistake me for some virtue signaling liberal. I'm just telling you there are other political systems in place that work, systems that provide benefits for a broader scale of people. Systems that could help the US, but are deemed commie, liberal(when they are actually not) or whatever. I don't need to join such an organization as I'm pretty content as of rn. If I was in the US joining one would be stupid either, because the system itself would need to change. The salvation army won't do that. Trump won't do that. Biden won't. A revolution will, but BLM isn't the revolution you need. The poorer half of the population, conservative or not, dirt poor up to the middle class need to unite. They need to revolt against the powers that be. Until that doesn't happen it will be a perpetuum mobile of shit.
First: Ive been pointing out the fact Democrats are fake economic leftists since you was in diapers my dude. Just because Im criticizing both groups doesnt mean I take them as one in the same.
Second bolded: This is not realistic. There is a cognitive gap that has GROWN in America in recent decades. An empirical, scientifically evidenced gap. America is not a homogeneous group with common culture and genetics. THAT is what inhibits sustainable equality. Not the lack of a grandstanding Revolutionary with a magic wand.
People dont wanna face that. They want to“will” everyone to be equal so everyone can be part of the new progress. They refuse to believe not everyone is built to thrive in the kind of community Swiss people live in.
Thats not America. We were built on “No standards, just show up and pick up a shovel.” For a good two centuries.
Didnt matter if you beat your kids, if you were an alcoholic, if you can read at an advanced level, nothing. “Show up and build this country.” And thats just the immigrants, nevermind the literal slaves brought against their will. Our population is now the genetic echo of those individuals. Not the people who migrated to the Netherlands to form banking trusts and so on.
It is what it is. Europe is not coming to America. Americans will have to go to Europe.
Thats it and thats all.
Things that Trump has done well:
1 - Confronted China
2 - Cracked down on immigration
3 - Pulled out of the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP)
Things that Trump did not do well:
1 - Covid 19 response
2 - George Floyd riot response
3 - Killing the deal with Iran
4 - Generally being a poor representation of the United States to the international community
What Biden will bring:
1. He is not Trump
2. There's no platform here, so I don't know what to say....No Medicare for all.....No legaliziing Marijuana....
3. He most likely will have better advisors and will create a better Cabinet.
4. Can't think of anything else.....Perhaps he will be less offensive to the rest of the world?
His foreign and economic policies as well as his environmental policies are also atrocious, although he’s admittedly an improvement on Obama in terms of foreign policy. Agree with you about Trump doing some good things on trade and immigration, although he treats immigrants abhorrently and I’m not ok with that.
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 06:19 PM
Biden won't spend his entire Presidency on Twitter insulting everyone and making outrageous and divisive comments. This is actually huge, Trump addresses the nation on Twitter...daily...all day. That is his stomping ground. His 'troll culture' mentality has a very large affect on ALL of us. He makes a remark and the rest of us spend our day arguing about it.
How our leader addresses the nation matters...a lot actually...way more than most want to acknowledge...I think a lot of people just flat out want a mental break from the drama that Trump brings....it actually makes a brain dead puppet look like a refreshing break.
I think that went into the Kamala choice for VP...she bites back on Twitter...she is someone who will go toe to toe with Trump on his stomping ground Twitter....everyone should get their popcorn ready for the Kamala-Trump Twitter feuds in our near future.
warriorfan
08-12-2020, 06:26 PM
Biden won't spend his entire Presidency on Twitter insulting everyone and making outrageous and divisive comments. This is actually huge, Trump addresses the nation on Twitter...daily...all day. That is his stomping ground. His 'troll culture' mentality has a very large affect on ALL of us. He makes a remark and the rest of us spend our day arguing about it.
How our leader addresses the nation matters...a lot actually...way more than most want to acknowledge...I think a lot of people just flat out want a mental break from the drama that Trump brings....it actually makes a brain dead puppet look like a refreshing break.
I think that went into the Kamala choice for VP...she bites back on Twitter...she is someone who will go toe to toe with Trump on his stomping ground Twitter....everyone should get their popcorn ready for the Kamala-Trump Twitter feuds in our near future.
Translation. I can’t control my compulsive OMBing, therefore Orange Man is Bad.
FourthTenor
08-12-2020, 06:29 PM
Biden won't spend his entire Presidency on Twitter insulting everyone and making outrageous and divisive comments. This is actually huge, Trump addresses the nation on Twitter...daily...all day. That is his stomping ground. His 'troll culture' mentality has a very large affect on ALL of us. He makes a remark and the rest of us spend our day arguing about it.
How our leader addresses the nation matters...a lot actually...way more than most want to acknowledge...I think a lot of people just flat out want a mental break from the drama that Trump brings....it actually makes a brain dead puppet look like a refreshing break.
I think that went into the Kamala choice for VP...she bites back on Twitter...she is someone who will go toe to toe with Trump on his stomping ground Twitter....everyone should get their popcorn ready for the Kamala-Trump Twitter feuds in our near future.
This is called projecting.
A lot of us discuss far more important issues than what Trump is tweeting.
Youre the type who has more interest in scratching your TDS itch than talking about anything meaningful, but it isnt everyone.
FourthTenor
08-12-2020, 06:30 PM
Translation. I can’t control my compulsive OMBing, therefore Orange Man is Bad.
:lol beat me to it
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 06:31 PM
and on that note...anyone who wants LESS pc/woke culture...vote Biden
Trump is the fuel source for that..."orange man bad"..."TDS"...etc...like you just said (and say 100x a day)
Half the motivation for that scene is rooted in people lashing out at Trump
Trump is gone...their fuel source is gone
FourthTenor
08-12-2020, 06:37 PM
and on that note...anyone who wants LESS pc/woke culture...vote Biden
Trump is the fuel source for that..."orange man bad"..."TDS"...etc...like you just said (and say 100x a day)
Half the motivation for that scene is rooted in people lashing out at Trump
Trump is gone...their fuel source is gone
So there werent race riots in Baltimore when Obama was president? There werent tv specials giving Bruce-Caitlyn Jenner bravery awards? PC culture hasnt been gradually pushing the envelope further and further for YEARS??
Seriously EVERYTHING you say is wrong. Youre making the absolute worst, most contrived arguments to justify voting for Biden, when the real reason is that you simply have a legitimate case of irrational TDS that youre unwilling to confront.
You dont need to lie to us. We all know you have TDS and you arent gonna convince anyone otherwise. You need to stop lyin to YOURSELF boy.
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 06:39 PM
Okay so if half the country has a fcking syndrome of hating Trump (TDS)...that is a bad sign for Trump
FourthTenor
08-12-2020, 06:42 PM
Okay so if half the country has a fcking syndrome of hating Trump (TDS)...that is a bad sign for Trump
Removing Trump only treats the symptoms temporarily, it doesnt address the deeper issue, that so many people are going FULL DERANGED as an outlet for their lack of fulfillment or personal sense of pride.
Thats a much bigger issue than anything Trump is gonna do or not do in the next four years.
We got a BIG problem with mental health on a giant scale here. It was here before Trump and it will still be here without him.
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 06:44 PM
so you literally think half the country is mentally deranged...rather than Trump just brings out the worst in them
yeah...that's probably more likely you're right
FourthTenor
08-12-2020, 06:50 PM
so you literally think half the country is mentally deranged...rather than Trump just brings out the worst in them
yeah...that's probably more likely you're right
Half the country may not vote for him, but thats true of any presidential runner up. It isnt half the country with outright TDS that consumes their mind on a day to day basis. That’s probably more like... 15%?
Still a huge gross number when you consider our population size. But not everyone is as TDS as you. Again, that is projecting.
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 07:01 PM
A very LARGE part of the country is arguing politics via internet..I would say vast majority has experienced it...especially during covid
Just get on Twitter and look at what's trending every day
it's not projecting it's reality...and it is 100% true in your case...you spend all day arguing politics
Biden won't spend his entire Presidency on Twitter insulting everyone and making outrageous and divisive comments. This is actually huge, Trump addresses the nation on Twitter...daily...all day. That is his stomping ground. His 'troll culture' mentality has a very large affect on ALL of us. He makes a remark and the rest of us spend our day arguing about it.
How our leader addresses the nation matters...a lot actually...way more than most want to acknowledge...I think a lot of people just flat out want a mental break from the drama that Trump brings....it actually makes a brain dead puppet look like a refreshing break.
I think that went into the Kamala choice for VP...she bites back on Twitter...she is someone who will go toe to toe with Trump on his stomping ground Twitter....everyone should get their popcorn ready for the Kamala-Trump Twitter feuds in our near future.
Your argument as to why I should vote for Biden is because Trump hurt your feelings on Twitter. Think about how absurd that is.
Prime, I gotta side with Starface here. You’re not giving us any good reasons not to vote for Trump, you’re just basically saying he’s rude. That’s not a good reason not to vote for someone, and Biden is also rude tbh (to his own potential voters even. Remember “look, fat”?).
Patrick Chewing
08-12-2020, 07:27 PM
Removing Trump only treats the symptoms temporarily, it doesnt address the deeper issue, that so many people are going FULL DERANGED as an outlet for their lack of fulfillment or personal sense of pride.
Thats a much bigger issue than anything Trump is gonna do or not do in the next four years.
We got a BIG problem with mental health on a giant scale here. It was here before Trump and it will still be here without him.
Yup. A culture of victimhood is a bad sign for America.
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 07:32 PM
Yup. A culture of victimhood is a bad sign for America.
says the people who blame liberals for every problem in the country on a daily basis
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 07:35 PM
Prime, I gotta side with Starface here. You’re not giving us any good reasons not to vote for Trump, you’re just basically saying he’s rude. That’s not a good reason not to vote for someone, and Biden is also rude tbh (to his own potential voters even. Remember “look, fat”?).
the way he carries himself matters...he attacks and insults the left on Twitter, and the left lashes out back
it's what happens right here in ISH...only on a MUCH larger scale
POTUS is supposed to stand for ALL OF US...the left included...not demonize half of us...it's harmful, and that is reality
Doomsday Dallas
08-12-2020, 07:39 PM
Prime, I gotta side with Starface here. You’re not giving us any good reasons not to vote for Trump, you’re just basically saying he’s rude. That’s not a good reason not to vote for someone, and Biden is also rude tbh (to his own potential voters even. Remember “look, fat”?).
I think his answer is good enough.... He just wants all the TDS to go away.
I think the TDS has been overall great for the last 4 years... not sure if we can go another 4 more though. I'm a little concerned about it myself to be honest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqvufH828iA
^ inspirational
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 07:55 PM
Hmm...now that I think about it if Biden wins then TDS could be replaced with BDS...just equals out...lol
warriorfan
08-12-2020, 08:20 PM
:lol beat me to it
:lol
Doomsday Dallas
08-12-2020, 08:28 PM
Hmm...now that I think about it if Biden wins then TDS could be replaced with BDS...just equals out...lol
out of all the scenarios 2021-2024 could offer... BDS would be the best case scenario.
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 08:30 PM
out of all the scenarios 2021-2024 could offer... BDS would be the best case scenario.
I do think society actually gets more conservative with Biden as President.
The laws not so much though...
Richesly
08-12-2020, 08:33 PM
Liberals aint shit but bitches
Charlie Sheen
08-12-2020, 09:04 PM
That really isn't a thing
It actually is. Ask the college age dudes on this board if they've ever heard of the latinx student alliance.
warriorfan
08-12-2020, 09:10 PM
It actually is. Ask the college age dudes on this board if they've ever heard of the latinx student alliance.
That sounds like some sort of porn site highwhey would use.
It actually is. Ask the college age dudes on this board if they've ever heard of the latinx student alliance.
It’s definitely a thing with people my age, yeah.
bobopenguin
08-12-2020, 09:38 PM
so far biden and his crew has yet showed everyone he has the balls to take on china.
so far biden and his crew has yet showed everyone he has the balls to take on china.
Biden can only probably imagine how Xi's grandchildren would taste like
FourthTenor
08-12-2020, 09:50 PM
A very LARGE part of the country is arguing politics via internet..I would say vast majority has experienced it...especially during covid
Just get on Twitter and look at what's trending every day
it's not projecting it's reality...and it is 100% true in your case...you spend all day arguing politics
This has NOTHING to do with a President’s policy merits :biggums:
The arguments youre making in this thread are some of the worst Ive ever seen anywhere.
You are GRASPING for the most insignificant reasons to claim Biden is a superior candidate to Trump. There is nothing substantive for you to go on so youre talking about “Trump just makes us argue too much cuz he tweeted!”
That is SHAMELESS. You are being profoundly selfish and petty with your personal vendetta against Trump, and wanting to justify all the effort and equity you poured into predicting his failure.
You oughtta go look in the mirror right now and CRY about what you see.
You are pathetic.
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 10:00 PM
The irony is that you are actually the greatest sufferer of TDS here.
If someone dislikes Trump, income essay from Starface thst reads like you're on the verge of an aneurysm.
Trump is a bad leader. 1 example is making decisions without all the information. Don't @ me because he admits doing it him self.
However, at this point, the devil you know is better than the one you don't.
FourthTenor
08-12-2020, 10:22 PM
The irony is that you are actually the greatest sufferer of TDS here.
If someone dislikes Trump, income essay from Starface thst reads like you're on the verge of an aneurysm.
You can dislike him all you want. That's a personal issue.
MY point is when it comes to "What policies are going to be implemented," your personal feelings should be completely removed from the discussion. Your feelings are irrelevant to my rights, and vice versa. Being unable to separate your petty emotion from a rational discussion on our direction as a group is a sign of selfishness and deficiency.
The President's job is to be the executive officer. Not your personal yoga instructor. This means he, along with his cabinet, Congress, and all the other moving parts, makes military decisions, trade decisions, budget decisions etc.
"I like that guy's tone, he was nice" or "I prefer this candidate's hair!" is generally how the DUMB PLEBS in all of history have voted.
If that's your class, then that's your class.
But just come out and say it. Admit it.
Stop trying to disguise your own petty, selfish agenda with some bum ass arguments about the meanie tweets mr trump made, wahhhh.
FourthTenor
08-12-2020, 10:28 PM
Trump is a bad leader. 1 example is making decisions without all the information. Don't @ me because he admits doing it him self.
However, at this point, the devil you know is better than the one you don't.
I agree Trump is not a good leader in a lot of political situations. He's an arrogant, loud-mouthed rich kid. He SHOULDNT be President. The reason he is, is because the public let establishment politics in Washington get away with too much garbage for too long, and welcomed the first guy who had a chance at winning that was willing to call out a bunch of the bullshit.
If there was a candidate BETTER than Trump in this election, I would vote for him. But there isn't. There's a worse candidate, Joe Biden. Hence, I'll vote for Trump.
It's really pretty simple to just be honest about shit. But a lot of people are refusing to wipe the egg off their face from all the rolling on the ground kicking and screaming the last four years about Adolf Trump. And now it's obvious they were being complete drama queens, and they're just doubling down over and over to infinity.
Shit is sad and selfish and pitiful.
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 10:42 PM
You can dislike him all you want. That's a personal issue.
MY point is when it comes to "What policies are going to be implemented," your personal feelings should be completely removed from the discussion. Your feelings are irrelevant to my rights, and vice versa. Being unable to separate your petty emotion from a rational discussion on our direction as a group is a sign of selfishness and deficiency.
The President's job is to be the executive officer. Not your personal yoga instructor. This means he, along with his cabinet, Congress, and all the other moving parts, makes military decisions, trade decisions, budget decisions etc.
"I like that guy's tone, he was nice" or "I prefer this candidate's hair!" is generally how the DUMB PLEBS in all of history have voted.
If that's your class, then that's your class.
But just come out and say it. Admit it.
Stop trying to disguise your own petty, selfish agenda with some bum ass arguments about the meanie tweets mr trump made, wahhhh.
A lot of that is separate from the discussion at hand.
Do you see how my posts have riled you up?... thats what Trump does daily on Twitter when he calls out the left, it riles the left up.
Better yet, ask yourself this...if Obama had tweeted daily how "The insane Christian right is ruining our country!!! Soon the right will ruin your life!!!"...do you think that would have a negative impact on society???...think about it without going on an jnsult laced tirade.
warriorfan
08-12-2020, 10:45 PM
A lot of that is separate from the discussion at hand.
Do you see how my posts have riled you up?... thats what Trump does daily on Twitter when he calls out the left, it riles the left up.
Better yet, ask yourself this...if Obama had tweeted daily how "The insane Christian right is ruining our country!!! Soon the right will ruin your life!!!"...do you think that would have a negative impact on society???...think about it without going on an jnsult laced tirade.
So the president is not allowed to comment on issues he doesn’t agree with because it might upset other people? What the hell?
Pretty crazy.
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 10:49 PM
So the president is not allowed to comment on issues he doesn’t agree with because it might upset other people? What the hell?
Pretty crazy.
He's allowed to do whatever he wants
But yes if he insults people it will upset them
You're close to getting it
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 10:51 PM
I think most Trumpers understand his divisive behavior is an actual problem, they just don't want to acknowledge it... write it off as everyone else having TDS
FourthTenor
08-12-2020, 10:53 PM
A lot of that is separate from the discussion at hand.
Do you see how my posts have riled you up?... thats what Trump does daily on Twitter when he calls out the left, it riles the left up.
Except it isnt Trump. It’s the priorities of my fellow citizens, who are too easily baited, distracted, and misled. Again, Trump is in office 4 or 8 years max. If youre using Trump as an excuse to avoid a REAL serious look in the mirror as a public, it’s not going to end well regardless.
Better yet, ask yourself this...if Obama had tweeted daily how "The insane Christian right is ruining our country!!! Soon the right will ruin your life!!!"...do you think that would have a negative impact on society???...think about it without going on an jnsult laced tirade.
If his policies as a president protected their first amendment rights to religious freedom, I really wouldnt give a shit dude. Im not a partisan. Youre right Im sure that would heat up a lot of people, and it would be there responsibility to understand that anyone has a right to belong to a group OR criticize a group. Even a President, as undignified as it may seem. The problem is if you let him “hurt your feelings” youre being subservient. People need to be a grown man, dont catch emotional feelings over what Donald Trump tweets about :facepalm
If youre gonna call yourself “progressive” (I dont know if you do, but a lot of people do) then isnt the onus on YOU to not simply do what you claim the other side does and say “but they do it tooooo!!!!!”???
Shouldnt “progressives” be going above what they criticize, instead of stooping to it?
Sounds to me like its a lot of P.I.N.O.’s in dis bitch.
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 11:00 PM
Everyone is in control of their own life...Trump doesn't control the outcome of my life, and Liberals don't control the outcome of your life...you do that.
But it is literally Trump's job to lead this countries citizens and UNITE us.
UNITED WE STAND...DIVIDED WE FALL.
He makes no efforts to unite this country... none. And IMO that goes beyond policies. Honestly I doubt my life or your life were really THAT altered by his policies.
warriorfan
08-12-2020, 11:01 PM
He's allowed to do whatever he wants
But yes if he insults people it will upset them
You're close to getting it
If we can’t say things because it upsets certain people...
And we can surely agree that people have been getting more and more sensitive in these past years, and if anything that trend is not slowing, it’s accelerating...
Get the picture? Before you know it the first amendment will be thrown out the window. If people’s ideas don’t hold weight under scrutiny...that is not the fault of the scrutinizer...You are asking for a place where you and your whims are never challenged, it’s not allowed and simply out of the question.
You want to be a Neo Adolf Hitler.
So the president is not allowed to comment on issues he doesn’t agree with because it might upset other people? What the hell?
Pretty crazy.
Because it is against their press freedom, dummy.
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 11:10 PM
pc culture has gone too far, I agree with that.
Biden is trying to distance from that.
And really I feel like that's a separate issue from Trump's tweeting...
FourthTenor
08-12-2020, 11:10 PM
Everyone is in control of their own life...Trump doesn't control the outcome of my life, and Liberals don't control the outcome of your life...you do that.
But it is literally Trump's job to lead this countries citizens and UNITE us.
UNITED WE STAND...DIVIDED WE FALL.
He makes no efforts to unite this country... none. And IMO that goes beyond policies. Honestly I doubt my life or your life were really THAT altered by his policies.
Nah bro the Prez isnt supposed to be a cheerleader. If thats what you think, you need to study more.
And when were we ever united anyway? We fought a ****ing civil war bro. You think Abe Lincoln freeing the slaves was about some unity shit!? :roll:
You think Obama blaming Republicans in every speech he made was unity? You must have a very short memory. Just bc they didnt tweet it, doesnt mean past presidents havent been all doing the same thing Trump is. Again, youre reaching for extremely superficial excuses to blame Orange Man.
~primetime~
08-12-2020, 11:17 PM
Yeah you're trying to say his words, speeches, tweets, the way he addresses us doesnt matter. But the shit he says matters.
Anyway...good night...good chat
Cleverness
08-13-2020, 12:23 AM
Trump's racist lockdowns have destroyed our country. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?482715-Chuck-Schumer-OPEN-UP-OR-YOU-RE-GOING-TO-HURT-THE-ECONOMY!!)
I can't believe half this board supports them.
SATAN
08-13-2020, 01:38 AM
Why do you guys even discuss political bs on here so much? Half of you seem brainwashed or massively uninformed. No one is changing anyone's mind. I mean, there is a lot of really bad shit going on that is never even bought up here. Posts here remind me of the ignorant right vs left boomer style back and forth you would expect from morons on Facebook, yet way worse.
Isn't it boring just saying the same shit at each other over and over again and getting nowhere? Does it just trigger a negative or primitive reaction that feels good in your mind, even though it's really bad? An addiction, if you will? It seems similar to self destructive behavior, although not quite the same.
Actually, never mind. The anti-christ has another 3 years anyway... Carry on...Play your part...
bladefd
08-13-2020, 02:31 AM
A lot of that is separate from the discussion at hand.
Do you see how my posts have riled you up?... thats what Trump does daily on Twitter when he calls out the left, it riles the left up.
Better yet, ask yourself this...if Obama had tweeted daily how "The insane Christian right is ruining our country!!! Soon the right will ruin your life!!!"...do you think that would have a negative impact on society???...think about it without going on an jnsult laced tirade.
He (FultzNation) is not able to critically think without a meltdown and rant/personal attack. He has the same issue that Trump does - the Trump syndrome.
bladefd
08-13-2020, 02:36 AM
So the president is not allowed to comment on issues he doesn’t agree with because it might upset other people? What the hell?
Pretty crazy.
A leader is supposed to have the natural inclination to unite people or at least try to. Trump is the very opposite. His natural inclination is to divide and get everyone riled up, fighting, raging and he has been that way his entire life since he became popular in the 80s
iamgine
08-13-2020, 02:43 AM
A leader is supposed to have the natural inclination to unite people or at least try to. Trump is the very opposite. His natural inclination is to divide and get everyone riled up, fighting, raging and he has been that way his entire life since he became popular in the 80s
During his early campaign yes but afterwards I don't think he's intentionally just trying to divide and get everyone riled up. It's more a lot of people hate him so whatever he says will be taken as wrong and divisive by a lot of people.
Stephonit
08-13-2020, 02:47 AM
The breaching of norms, the normalization of outrageousness, and the fomenting of divisiveness in the body politic is the greatest danger Trump poses to the country. American politics is looking more and more like what you'd see in third world banana republics.
That Trump would even float the idea that he could delay elections and stay as president a day longer than his mandate should instantly lose him the election if norms were being respected irrespective of anything else. Sadly people don't seem to respect or value those norms which support the successful society that the United States has built upon. Continued erosion will see the country flounder and fall.
coin24
08-13-2020, 03:12 AM
The fact that people would vote Biden purely cause they don't like trump fans is hilarious. They dislike Biden and hate Harris yet the TDS is so strong they'd vote for someone that blatantly has no policies or anything at all to say:oldlol:
At least Bernie has some ideals that would honestly help you guys out, but your beloved party threw him under the bus as usual.. how anyone can support those scumbags is beyond me
FourthTenor
08-13-2020, 03:24 AM
The breaching of norms, the normalization of outrageousness, and the fomenting of divisiveness in the body politic is the greatest danger Trump poses to the country. American politics is looking more and more like what you'd see in third world banana republics.
That Trump would even float the idea that he could delay elections and stay as president a day longer than his mandate should instantly lose him the election if norms were being respected irrespective of anything else. Sadly people don't seem to respect or value those norms which support the successful society that the United States has built upon. Continued erosion will see the country flounder and fall.
You think Clinton turning the Oval Office into a brothel wasnt a breaching of norms, or “normalizing outrageousness?” You think the Bush and Obama administrations werent divisive?
Im sure if we look back four years, your concerns were pegged to Trump being an evil racist who was going to genocide Americans, and start a nuclear war with North Korea. Remember when thats where the goal posts were?
On the contrary, employment went up, including in communities of color, trade deals were improved, and imperialism was tempered.
But you still hate Trump bc for four years you shrieked in front of the whole world like an infant with a soiled diaper how Orange Man is Bad.
Now that you have nothing substantive to base your claims on, it’s about how “hes 2 outrageouS on the twItter!!!”
Anything to make it look like you were right and not wrong.
But you were wrong.
Loud wrong.
Stupid wrong.
Bitchmade wrong.
And youre too insecure to admit it.
Little girl.
Kblaze8855
08-13-2020, 06:08 AM
Kinda odd to me that people dont believe what someone says could be reason enough not to like them. You hear "And dont count twitter!" and similar things because hes obviously always acting like an ass. My question is this....
Is there any other situation in history where you expect people not to consider what you have to say when the issue is if they like you or not? How are we at a "But you cant consider what he says to the American people" point when the issue is if you like a politician?
Thats his chosen means of communication with America because its him talking directly to them without a producer or host to guide it or alter his words.
To him....Twitter is just a giant mic to speak to America.
We really asking the people hes talking to all day to not consider what hes saying to them when deciding if they support him?
Most people I dont care for are not running around setting fires and beating up old people. Most people who are annoying dont have to do anything but speak. Most of you seem to hate half the people on here for nothing but their opinions they hold and speak about. But you cant grasp hating a politician for his? Donald Trump is pretty much the most active poster on the forum that is America.
You guys hate people on here for having the wrong thing to say about fiscal policy or a social issue. Imagine if you will....the poster here you disagree with most....doing it all day....to 50 million people...and having each one covered by the news and talked about around you.
Wouldnt it seem odd for someone to then say "What dont you like? And DONT bring up the things he says to all of us all day long"?
I think he WANTS you to consider his behavior online and take that as direct messaging from him. Thats how he wants to speak to the electorate. Hard to say it shouldnt count. Hes doing it all day for the express purpose of giving America an uncensored take directly from him to us. He wants you to care what he tweets.....
Stephonit
08-13-2020, 07:29 AM
You think Clinton turning the Oval Office into a brothel wasnt a breaching of norms, or “normalizing outrageousness?” You think the Bush and Obama administrations werent divisive?
Im sure if we look back four years, your concerns were pegged to Trump being an evil racist who was going to genocide Americans, and start a nuclear war with North Korea. Remember when thats where the goal posts were?
On the contrary, employment went up, including in communities of color, trade deals were improved, and imperialism was tempered.
But you still hate Trump bc for four years you shrieked in front of the whole world like an infant with a soiled diaper how Orange Man is Bad.
Now that you have nothing substantive to base your claims on, it’s about how “hes 2 outrageouS on the twItter!!!”
Anything to make it look like you were right and not wrong.
But you were wrong.
Loud wrong.
Stupid wrong.
Bitchmade wrong.
And youre too insecure to admit it.
Little girl.
You can rationalize away the awful behavior any way you want but the thing with reality is that it comes to back to bite you despite all the BS you throw at it. This pandemic is one example where Trump's skill with BS won't help. There are other worse scenarios.
The problem with normalizing outrageousness is that when an outrage capable of sinking the country comes along people won't recognize it and do anything about it until it is already too late and has left the country damaged beyond repair.
But do carry on with your self-destructive behavior. Experience is the best teacher.
Hittin_Shots
08-13-2020, 11:07 AM
Everyone is in control of their own life...Trump doesn't control the outcome of my life, and Liberals don't control the outcome of your life...you do that.
But it is literally Trump's job to lead this countries citizens and UNITE us.
UNITED WE STAND...DIVIDED WE FALL.
He makes no efforts to unite this country... none. And IMO that goes beyond policies. Honestly I doubt my life or your life were really THAT altered by his policies.
Do you think trump not voicing his opinion and the opinion of many that the far left nutbags are ruining your country would bring the nutbags together with the people that think they're nutbags?
Also you're acting like a bitch, 'oh he called me a nutbag, I'll show him by being a nutbag'.
Do you seriously think Trump is the reason these two groups are divided? Not that they think each other are the worst thing in the world.
~primetime~
08-13-2020, 11:28 AM
Do you think trump not voicing his opinion and the opinion of many that the far left nutbags are ruining your country would bring the nutbags together with the people that think they're nutbags?
Also you're acting like a bitch, 'oh he called me a nutbag, I'll show him by being a nutbag'.
Do you seriously think Trump is the reason these two groups are divided? Not that they think each other are the worst thing in the world.
He furthers the divide...he heightens tensions...etc.
And the things a leader says to his people MATTER. If you write it off as "they're just being btches" then that's just not being realistic at all.
If the coach of a sports team tells half of his team they are insane and ruining the game...it doesn't matter whats on his playbook, the team will be a mess.
Trump understands all his tweets have a big impact...otherwise he wouldn't bother making them day after day.
TheMan
08-13-2020, 11:28 AM
You think Clinton turning the Oval Office into a brothel wasnt a breaching of norms, or “normalizing outrageousness?” You think the Bush and Obama administrations werent divisive?
Im sure if we look back four years, your concerns were pegged to Trump being an evil racist who was going to genocide Americans, and start a nuclear war with North Korea. Remember when thats where the goal posts were?
On the contrary, employment went up, including in communities of color, trade deals were improved, and imperialism was tempered.
But you still hate Trump bc for four years you shrieked in front of the whole world like an infant with a soiled diaper how Orange Man is Bad.
Now that you have nothing substantive to base your claims on, it’s about how “hes 2 outrageouS on the twItter!!!”
Anything to make it look like you were right and not wrong.
But you were wrong.
Loud wrong.
Stupid wrong.
Bitchmade wrong.
And youre too insecure to admit it.
Little girl.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FrightenedDelightfulGnatcatcher-size_restricted.gif
Please love my Trumpy, please!!!
:roll:
TheMan
08-13-2020, 11:35 AM
Kinda odd to me that people dont believe what someone says could be reason enough not to like them. You hear "And dont count twitter!" and similar things because hes obviously always acting like an ass. My question is this....
Is there any other situation in history where you expect people not to consider what you have to say when the issue is if they like you or not? How are we at a "But you cant consider what he says to the American people" point when the issue is if you like a politician?
Thats his chosen means of communication with America because its him talking directly to them without a producer or host to guide it or alter his words.
To him....Twitter is just a giant mic to speak to America.
We really asking the people hes talking to all day to not consider what hes saying to them when deciding if they support him?
Most people I dont care for are not running around setting fires and beating up old people. Most people who are annoying dont have to do anything but speak. Most of you seem to hate half the people on here for nothing but their opinions they hold and speak about. But you cant grasp hating a politician for his? Donald Trump is pretty much the most active poster on the forum that is America.
You guys hate people on here for having the wrong thing to say about fiscal policy or a social issue. Imagine if you will....the poster here you disagree with most....doing it all day....to 50 million people...and having each one covered by the news and talked about around you.
Wouldnt it seem odd for someone to then say "What dont you like? And DONT bring up the things he says to all of us all day long"?
I think he WANTS you to consider his behavior online and take that as direct messaging from him. Thats how he wants to speak to the electorate. Hard to say it shouldnt count. Hes doing it all day for the express purpose of giving America an uncensored take directly from him to us. He wants you to care what he tweets.....
Spot on, Kblaze :applause:
His supporters are morons for wanting us to ignore and not use against Trump his words yet you have an idiot like Starface constantly hating certain posters here precisely for what they write...can't make that up :roll:
Overdrive
08-13-2020, 02:29 PM
First: Ive been pointing out the fact Democrats are fake economic leftists since you was in diapers my dude. Just because Im criticizing both groups doesnt mean I take them as one in the same.
Second bolded: This is not realistic. There is a cognitive gap that has GROWN in America in recent decades. An empirical, scientifically evidenced gap. America is not a homogeneous group with common culture and genetics. THAT is what inhibits sustainable equality. Not the lack of a grandstanding Revolutionary with a magic wand.
People dont wanna face that. They want to“will” everyone to be equal so everyone can be part of the new progress. They refuse to believe not everyone is built to thrive in the kind of community Swiss people live in.
Thats not America. We were built on “No standards, just show up and pick up a shovel.” For a good two centuries.
Didnt matter if you beat your kids, if you were an alcoholic, if you can read at an advanced level, nothing. “Show up and build this country.” And thats just the immigrants, nevermind the literal slaves brought against their will. Our population is now the genetic echo of those individuals. Not the people who migrated to the Netherlands to form banking trusts and so on.
It is what it is. Europe is not coming to America. Americans will have to go to Europe.
Thats it and thats all.
I'm not saying the conservative potato farner from Idaho has to unite with some inner city woke ghetto guy to form a homogenous group as you said. But they have common interests that could unite them for one cause. They would want a higher quality of living and not just scrap by.
Aslong as they don't see this and get kept divided by a system where you got to chose one billionaire nepotist or another it won't happen. It has absolutely nothing to do with culture. It's a question of need and what someone is willing to do in order to satisfy those needs.
hateraid
08-13-2020, 04:02 PM
Kinda odd to me that people dont believe what someone says could be reason enough not to like them. You hear "And dont count twitter!" and similar things because hes obviously always acting like an ass. My question is this....
Is there any other situation in history where you expect people not to consider what you have to say when the issue is if they like you or not? How are we at a "But you cant consider what he says to the American people" point when the issue is if you like a politician?
Thats his chosen means of communication with America because its him talking directly to them without a producer or host to guide it or alter his words.
To him....Twitter is just a giant mic to speak to America.
We really asking the people hes talking to all day to not consider what hes saying to them when deciding if they support him?
Most people I dont care for are not running around setting fires and beating up old people. Most people who are annoying dont have to do anything but speak. Most of you seem to hate half the people on here for nothing but their opinions they hold and speak about. But you cant grasp hating a politician for his? Donald Trump is pretty much the most active poster on the forum that is America.
You guys hate people on here for having the wrong thing to say about fiscal policy or a social issue. Imagine if you will....the poster here you disagree with most....doing it all day....to 50 million people...and having each one covered by the news and talked about around you.
Wouldnt it seem odd for someone to then say "What dont you like? And DONT bring up the things he says to all of us all day long"?
I think he WANTS you to consider his behavior online and take that as direct messaging from him. Thats how he wants to speak to the electorate. Hard to say it shouldnt count. Hes doing it all day for the express purpose of giving America an uncensored take directly from him to us. He wants you to care what he tweets.....
The flaw to all of this is at least Trump works for the people and has created positive turnarounds in certain areas.
Scale back your example to the obnoxious poster with ISH as a platform to spew his garbage. What exactly do they contribute to this community? Absolutely nothing. They're all sociopaths. At least Trump is a sociopath with a cause. And for some they are able to look past that nonsense and get behind some of his policies that help America. Yet here are the control freak Dems shaming Trump supporters over this. Sometime Kblaze, politics should just about.....politics
FourthTenor
08-13-2020, 04:10 PM
Kinda odd to me that people dont believe what someone says could be reason enough not to like them. You hear "And dont count twitter!" and similar things because hes obviously always acting like an ass. My question is this....
Is there any other situation in history where you expect people not to consider what you have to say when the issue is if they like you or not? How are we at a "But you cant consider what he says to the American people" point when the issue is if you like a politician?
Thats his chosen means of communication with America because its him talking directly to them without a producer or host to guide it or alter his words.
To him....Twitter is just a giant mic to speak to America.
We really asking the people hes talking to all day to not consider what hes saying to them when deciding if they support him?
Most people I dont care for are not running around setting fires and beating up old people. Most people who are annoying dont have to do anything but speak. Most of you seem to hate half the people on here for nothing but their opinions they hold and speak about. But you cant grasp hating a politician for his? Donald Trump is pretty much the most active poster on the forum that is America.
You guys hate people on here for having the wrong thing to say about fiscal policy or a social issue. Imagine if you will....the poster here you disagree with most....doing it all day....to 50 million people...and having each one covered by the news and talked about around you.
Wouldnt it seem odd for someone to then say "What dont you like? And DONT bring up the things he says to all of us all day long"?
I think he WANTS you to consider his behavior online and take that as direct messaging from him. Thats how he wants to speak to the electorate. Hard to say it shouldnt count. Hes doing it all day for the express purpose of giving America an uncensored take directly from him to us. He wants you to care what he tweets.....
Empirical data shows that “people throughout human history” CARE about what a President’s hair looks like.
Does that justify such a base, unintelligent priority set?
That seems to be your argument.
“Every society would be offended by this!”
Of course. Because every society is filled primarily with generic, hyper emotional nitwits.
If youre less distressed by that, and more concerned with a President who draws the ire of millions of nitwits...
Well, then it is what it is.
FourthTenor
08-13-2020, 04:12 PM
I'm not saying the conservative potato farner from Idaho has to unite with some inner city woke ghetto guy to form a homogenous group as you said. But they have common interests that could unite them for one cause. They would want a higher quality of living and not just scrap by.
Aslong as they don't see this and get kept divided by a system where you got to chose one billionaire nepotist or another it won't happen. It has absolutely nothing to do with culture. It's a question of need and what someone is willing to do in order to satisfy those needs.
What common interests do they have?
Tell me how an Idaho potato farmer and a Baltimore paid protestor for BLM can work together, and on what, without involving bureaucrats and billionaires.
Im actually curious.
What common interests do they have?
Tell me how an Idaho potato farmer and a Baltimore paid protestor for BLM can work together, and on what, without involving bureaucrats and billionaires.
Im actually curious.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_consciousness
FourthTenor
08-13-2020, 04:27 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_consciousness
No, be specific please.
What kind of things should an Idaho potato farmer and a Baltimore BLM protestor be working together on?
rawimpact
08-13-2020, 04:28 PM
No, be specific please.
What kind of things should an Idaho potato farmer and a Baltimore BLM protestor be working together on?
Making the homeless shelter line shorter
No, be specific please.
What kind of things should an Idaho potato farmer and a Baltimore BLM protestor be working together on?
Overthrowing the oligarchy, or at least uniting against it by voting for non establishment populists, which I thought was clear from that link. You and I aren’t as different as you might think; we both recognize the problem of the establishment and the influence corporations and the military industry have on Washington.
rawimpact
08-13-2020, 04:31 PM
Overthrowing the oligarchy, or at least uniting against it by voting for non establishment populists, which I thought was clear from that link. You and I aren’t as different as you might think; we both recognize the problem of the establishment and the influence corporations and the military industry have on Washington.
R3, if you have such a huge issue with the united states in its current affairs, what have you personally done to change it? Obviously i'm not suggesting you have to do something to feel a certain way, i'm genuinely curious in your case because you hold such strong opinions.
FourthTenor
08-13-2020, 04:35 PM
Overthrowing the oligarchy, or at least uniting against it by voting for non establishment populists, which I thought was clear from that link. You and I aren’t as different as you might think; we both recognize the problem of the establishment and the influence corporations and the military industry have on Washington.
Who is the oligarchy?
If you say Amazon and Google and Big Banks, I'm going to tell you the potato farmer probably cares very little about them, considering they have absolutely zero authority over his life whatsoever. They cannot take his land, his income, his rights.
So, who is the oligarchy this potato farmer should be concerned with?
Patrick Chewing
08-13-2020, 04:35 PM
R3, if you have such a huge issue with the united states in its current affairs, what have you personally done to change it? Obviously i'm not suggesting you have to do something to feel a certain way, i'm genuinely curious in your case because you hold such strong opinions.
He can't contribute to this country while unemployed and living in his parent's basement. The nerve of this guy to opine on government and economic policies when he's never walked a mile in a tax payer's shoes.
R3, if you have such a huge issue with the united states in its current affairs, what have you personally done to change it? Obviously i'm not suggesting you have to do something to feel a certain way, i'm genuinely curious in your case because you hold such strong opinions.
I’m not entirely sure yet. I have to do more reading to come up with a plan. I would like to run for office eventually, but probably not for at least 10-15 years, maybe as few as 5 though. I probably can best be defined as a Democratic Socialist (a real one a fake one like Bernie and AOC I like plenty of their policies but they aren’t advocating for socialism) and I could also definitely be called some type of Marxist. While I strongly believe in Marx’s “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”, which is a tenet of Communism, I do not believe in the abolition of private property, which is common in Communist systems. I would favor wealth redistribution as well and the means of production becoming socially owned. Of course, America is never going to have such a system, so I would have to instead push for the best policies I could if I was a politician. I’m a firm believer in Democracy, because without Democracy both Communism and Socialism can turn into authoritarian nightmares. I support most of the progressive platform: Medicare for All, free public college, UBI, providing affordable housing for all (I would go further and provide housing for all period, but it’s unrealistic in America unless a true revolting happens), criminal justice reform, getting money out of politics, election reform, the Green New Deal, defunding (but not abolishing) the police, defunding the pentagon, student loan debt forgiveness, legalizing marijuana (I support legalizing all drugs actually and would push for this but it is not part of the progressive platform yet) and releasing all incarcerated nonviolent drug offenders, giving all citizens the right to vote regardless of their criems, and ending our endless wars in the Middle East. On the other hand, I also support controlling illegal immigration in order to protect the workers and I think Trump’s border wall is a good idea. I also am strongly pro-2nd amendment, and will fight against cancel culture and political correctness which I feel are decimating the first amendment. These are positions that will not endear me to progressives, but they are my beliefs and I believe I could pick up conservatives support because of this. Of course, this is all assuming I ever run for office and don’t end up spending the rest of my life smoking weed and working at a grocery store (most likely) :lol
Who is the oligarchy?
If you say Amazon and Google and Big Banks, I'm going to tell you the potato farmer probably cares very little about them, considering they have absolutely zero authority over his life whatsoever. They cannot take his land, his income, his rights.
So, who is the oligarchy this potato farmer should be concerned with?
Not directly, but they have immense power over the government, and the government has proven they favor corporations over small farmers for certain. You know who I mean by the oligarchy, you mentioned a few. An example of an oligarch is Mike Bloomberg. You can hopefully get the small potato farmer to realize that he is being screwed by two ruling corporate parties that are making his life more difficult in order to fatten up the corporate state. That farmer might struggle to pay for healthcare or send his son to college. Well, ideally, he shouldn’t have to worry about either and he wouldn’t if we didn’t have the oligarchs running things. Those are just two examples, but I doubt that poor farmer would object to some of my other political stances applied to him personally if I didn’t tell him I was a socialist (assuming he is conservative).
FourthTenor
08-13-2020, 04:54 PM
I’m not entirely sure yet. I have to do more reading to come up with a plan. I would like to run for office eventually, but probably not for at least 10-15 years, maybe as few as 5 though. I probably can best be defined as a Democratic Socialist (a real one a fake one like Bernie and AOC I like plenty of their policies but they aren’t advocating for socialism) and I could also definitely be called some type of Marxist. While I strongly believe in Marx’s “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”, which is a tenet of Communism, I do not believe in the abolition of private property, which is common in Communist systems. I would favor wealth redistribution as well and the means of production becoming socially owned. Of course, America is never going to have such a system, so I would have to instead push for the best policies I could if I was a politician. I support most of the progressive platform: Medicare for All, free public college, UBI, providing affordable housing for all (I would go further and provide housing for all period, but it’s unrealistic in America unless a true revolting happens), criminal justice reform, getting money out of politics, election reform, the Green New Deal, defunding (but not abolishing) the police, defunding the pentagon, student loan debt forgiveness, legalizing marijuana (I support legalizing all drugs actually and would push for this but it is not part of the progressive platform yet) and releasing all incarcerated nonviolent drug offenders, giving all citizens the right to vote regardless of their criems, and ending our endless wars in the Middle East. On the other hand, I also support controlling illegal immigration in order to protect the workers and I think Trump’s border wall is a good idea. I also am strongly pro-2nd amendment, and will fight against cancel culture and political correctness which I feel are decimating the first amendment. These are positions that will not endear me to progressives, but they are my beliefs and I believe I could pick up conservatives support because of this. Of course, this is all assuming I ever run for office and don’t end up spending the rest of my life smoking weed and working at a grocery store (most likely) :lol
This can only "work" (a term I use VERY loosely) in a society small enough to have all aspects cooperatively managed or at least monitored.
Once you start putting some people in charge of this aspect and some people in charge of that aspect, and they dont even know each other, and live thousands of miles apart, you quickly lose public oversight and accountability, and human nature will take it from there. Corruption, manipulation, apathy, ignorance etc.
Your idea of turning a nation of 375,000,000 into a communist paradise is LUDICROUS.
Most posters here have a lot more life experience than you do, and while you think you're bringing new ingenious ideas to light that they've just never considered, you're actually spouting teenage fairytales that others long ago abandoned once they got familiar with the real world.
FourthTenor
08-13-2020, 04:57 PM
Not directly, but they have immense power over the government, and the government has proven they favor corporations over small farmers for certain. You know who I mean by the oligarchy, you mentioned a few. An example of an oligarch is Mike Bloomberg. You can hopefully get the small potato farmer to realize that he is being screwed by two ruling corporate parties that are making his life more difficult in order to fatten up the corporate state. That farmer might struggle to pay for healthcare or send his son to college. Well, ideally, he shouldn’t have to worry about either and he wouldn’t if we didn’t have the oligarchs running things. Those are just two examples, but I doubt that poor farmer would object to some of my other political stances applied to him personally if I didn’t tell him I was a socialist (assuming he is conservative).
In what ways do corporate oligarchs use the government to restrict the farmer's land, income, and rights?
If you enact a system where someone else has to pay for the farmer's health costs and college fund, aren't you the oligarch?
Explain how that works.
Kblaze8855
08-13-2020, 05:21 PM
Empirical data shows that “people throughout human history” CARE about what a President’s hair looks like.
Does that justify such a base, unintelligent priority set?
That seems to be your argument.
“Every society would be offended by this!”
Of course. Because every society is filled primarily with generic, hyper emotional nitwits.
If youre less distressed by that, and more concerned with a President who draws the ire of millions of nitwits...
Well, then it is what it is.
You do a lot of quoting things you made up.
I said taking a position that you shouldn’t factor what someone says when deciding if you like them or not seems odd when that’s....pretty much how people decide who they like.
You act like it’s a foolish thing yet you come on here and insult and talk shit to people based on nothing but their words online. But seem to feel that people’s words shouldn’t be used to judge them....
Just strikes me as odd.
The selective willingness to judge a person by his statements.
Trumps statements online are his main means of interacting with the people. And he’s the one who wants it that way.
I say again....I think he wants people to consider what he tweets. He probably thinks more people like it than don’t.
FourthTenor
08-13-2020, 06:02 PM
You do a lot of quoting things you made up.
I said taking a position that you shouldn’t factor what someone says when deciding if you like them or not seems odd when that’s....pretty much how people decide who they like.
You act like it’s a foolish thing yet you come on here and insult and talk shit to people based on nothing but their words online. But seem to feel that people’s words shouldn’t be used to judge them....
Just strikes me as odd.
The selective willingness to judge a person by his statements.
Trumps statements online are his main means of interacting with the people. And he’s the one who wants it that way.
I say again....I think he wants people to consider what he tweets. He probably thinks more people like it than don’t.
"Like" has nothing to do with it.
How many poor ass urban brothers would "like" Obama if he was just an unfamous rich, ivy league light skin who was raised by white parents?
What percentage do you think would have a favorable opinion of him if they met him in a bar and he was talking about his golf game and the harvard reunion banquet he attended the other night?
Probably not many. Fair to say?
And yet... they all voted for him!
Why?
Because they thought he would DO SOMETHING FOR THEM as a politician. That's what politics is. If a politician is doing something for you, you support him. His hair and his manners and all the other bullshit are irrelevant. At least to people with their priorities straight.
Wouldnt no black ghetto brothers like Barry Obama if he was just another privileged kid from the nice side of town. They'd be complaining they don't like the way HE talks. Just the way you're complaining about Trump.
But they voted for him ANYWAY. Because he promised to make their lives better (lol).
If you got a problem with Trump's POLICIES, then debate his policies.
Debating his TWITTER ACCOUNT is for butt hurt babies looking to save face.
Cut and dried.
Kblaze8855
08-13-2020, 06:21 PM
You actually think “black ghetto brothers” hate right black people who did well? You base this on the black people you know or what? You think talking about golf gets him hated?
Last time I was in top golf Atlanta it was packed. Usher was in there. Often feels like you are talking about black people from a 90s sitcom.
And call it twitter or whatever you want. It’s public statements. It’s never been out of bounds to judge a person by their incessant public statements. Nobody would have ever said “Don’t count all the things he says” in a evaluation of anyone in politics or not.
When we don’t know you personally what you say is who you are. He tweets the same shit he says at a rally or in an interview. It’s not twitter. It’s his opinions.
If you don’t wanna consider a mans opinions and statements when you decide if you like him or not that’s on you. But it’s quite unusual.
FourthTenor
08-13-2020, 06:35 PM
You actually think “black ghetto brothers” hate right black people who did well? You base this on the black people you know or what? You think talking about golf gets him hated?
Last time I was in top golf Atlanta it was packed. Usher was in there. Often feels like you are talking about black people from a 90s sitcom.
And call it twitter or whatever you want. It’s public statements. It’s never been out of bounds to judge a person by their incessant public statements. Nobody would have ever said “Don’t count all the things he says” in a evaluation of anyone in politics or not.
When we don’t know you personally what you say is who you are. He tweets the same shit he says at a rally or in an interview. It’s not twitter. It’s his opinions.
If you don’t wanna consider a mans opinions and statements when you decide if you like him or not that’s on you. But it’s quite unusual.
Are you poor and ghetto? I wasnt under that working impression but if I’m wrong let me know.
The reason I specified a subculture is because Im well aware blacks arent monolithic. The analogy is the same with any identity contrast. You think if a bunch of overall-wearin blue collar hillbilly boys met fancy Mr Halfbreed from the Ivy League in a bar theyd take a shine to him? Im guessing no.
But Im guessing if their union reps said his proposals included a mandatory 90k/yr minimum salary for workers in their industry, theyd vote for him.
Now you see how silly it is to care about how some politician talked on the twitter? That phony smiling, politically correct “prim and proper” shit is for the rubes. You can pull anything on the public as long as you have a “trustworthy smile.” :facepalm Why? Because they dont wanna do too much thinkin. Theyre gonna leave that up to other people, and the people theyre gonna trust to do it sure as hell better be actin Presidential and not talkin mean on the twitter! Thats who I want doin all the thinkin for me!
Thats the kinda shit you want your country to be about??
Not that you or I or anyone has a choice. Thats what our country IS about, and I dont see it changing. So if you “win” the election in November, hats off to you. You’ll feel validated and redeemed on a basic social image level for being “right” but it isnt gonna bode real well for your country in the long run. If thats good enough for you, then do you.
Kblaze8855
08-13-2020, 06:44 PM
Most of the people in top golf were what you would likely call poor and ghetto. And I’ve never in adulthood had a problem with a bunch of blue collar hill billy types. Saw those types yell shit out of trucks in the 80s and they may be different in private....but the way I talk has never been a problem. I live in South Carolina and work with truckers. I’ve been to the country bars and all that. Nobody seems to have a problem with me. Don’t see why they would Obama. He’s Ivy League and I’m not but the kinda people you seem to be talking about likely wouldn’t know the difference in a conversation. I talk exactly the way I type. People are always quick to ask where I’m from but in a curious way not like they have a problem with it.
FourthTenor
08-13-2020, 07:53 PM
Most of the people in top golf were what you would likely call poor and ghetto. And I’ve never in adulthood had a problem with a bunch of blue collar hill billy types. Saw those types yell shit out of trucks in the 80s and they may be different in private....but the way I talk has never been a problem. I live in South Carolina and work with truckers. I’ve been to the country bars and all that. Nobody seems to have a problem with me. Don’t see why they would Obama. He’s Ivy League and I’m not but the kinda people you seem to be talking about likely wouldn’t know the difference in a conversation. I talk exactly the way I type. People are always quick to ask where I’m from but in a curious way not like they have a problem with it.
Maybe youre lucky enough to live in a tolerant utopia.
Ive lived in a few different places. Ive seen people judge other people for the way they talk, look, act, whatever. Ive had people judge me on those things. Ive judged other people on those things. Judgement and division happen over superficial things in a lot of places Ive been. Probably all of them.
Maybe human nature is different where you live.
Anything’s possible.
tpols
08-13-2020, 07:59 PM
Top Golf is the shit lol... just saying.
Patrick Chewing
08-13-2020, 08:05 PM
Top Golf is the shit lol... just saying.
Headed there Saturday with a date for the first time ever.
Kblaze8855
08-13-2020, 08:42 PM
I thought top golf in Atlanta was a club. We turned in because it was crowded and active and we had nothing to do. They had a valet and it looked like a straight up club. Got inside they were playing some 90s hip hop and everyone was just drinking beer and eating wings. All the actual golf areas were full but nobody was worried about it.
The one near my house is way less black but not nearly so packed.
Norcaliblunt
08-13-2020, 10:11 PM
Why is Trump so much worse than Biden to liberals? The same reason Biden is so much worse than Trump to conservatives. They are all a bunch of homers emotionally invested in rooting for their party.
Patrick Chewing
08-13-2020, 10:42 PM
Why is Trump so much worse than Biden to liberals? The same reason Biden is so much worse than Trump to conservatives. They are all a bunch of homers emotionally invested in rooting for their party.
Trump is a threat to the status quo. The Dems lost over a thousand seats during the 8 years of Obama and then honestly thought they were due for a rise in those numbers again only to get derailed by losing the election to Donald Trump. It’s the lack of power that has Dems and RINOS up in arms over Trump. It isn’t Trump’s demeanor. Trump’s demeanor is just to humiliate them in defeat.
rawimpact
08-14-2020, 01:57 PM
I thought top golf in Atlanta was a club. We turned in because it was crowded and active and we had nothing to do. They had a valet and it looked like a straight up club. Got inside they were playing some 90s hip hop and everyone was just drinking beer and eating wings. All the actual golf areas were full but nobody was worried about it.
The one near my house is way less black but not nearly so packed.
Atlanta topgolf is the best one... maybe you need to stick with the typical boring white refuges like ponce city market if topgolf is too much for you to handle.
The one here in virginia beach is lame, filled with more white people and playing Nsync and other boyband music... it might be more your thing.
BigtimeNBAFan
08-14-2020, 02:47 PM
Same reason I think Obama was better than Trump. Biden is a moderate Democrat who will have more competent people in his administration to run the country. There is a reason we see huge economic gains during Democratic administrations and bad economic downturns when the GOP is in charge. One party has proven to run the country better.
But yes if you are looking for radical change, that was defeated when Bernie lost. It is funny listening to conservatives scream about the end of America if milquetoast moderate Joe Biden won. A Biden presidency will be more boring than anything, but that is what we need right now. A more progressive candidate can take the reigns in 2024.
bladefd
08-14-2020, 02:53 PM
Same reason I think Obama was better than Trump. Biden is a moderate Democrat who will have more competent people in his administration to run the country. There is a reason we see huge economic gains during Democratic administrations and bad economic downturns when the GOP is in charge. One party has proven to run the country better.
But yes if you are looking for radical change, that was defeated when Bernie lost. It is funny listening to conservatives scream about the end of America if milquetoast moderate Joe Biden won. A Biden presidency will be more boring than anything, but that is what we need right now. A more progressive candidate can take the reigns in 2024.
Well, imo we just need to get things stabilized with Biden presidency before we go forward with drastic progressive change in 2024. Biden can be the bridge from Lil Donny to a young Bernie Sanders-like candidate in 2024. I personally don't think it will be AOC but someone else, hopefully a better leader than AOC (don't think AOC is a great leader)
coin24
08-14-2020, 03:47 PM
Well, imo we just need to get things stabilized with Biden presidency before we go forward with drastic progressive change in 2024. Biden can be the bridge from Lil Donny to a young Bernie Sanders-like candidate in 2024. I personally don't think it will be AOC but someone else, hopefully a better leader than AOC (don't think AOC is a great leader)
Leader? She is insane. How can anyone listen to her ramble on and think she's anything but?
NBAGOAT
08-14-2020, 05:18 PM
handling covid a little more competently is what I care about right now. Usually it's the economy but this goes along with that. I like to go out to eat eventually. Maybe it's not possible with how dumb our country is.
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