It took only 2 years for LeBron to cultivate a #1 seed in the west

[Vino24]

Meanwhile players like like Dame struggle Their entire career for that elusive 8th seed. Why does LeBron make it look so easy?

[Tobio-Star]

Players wanted to avoid LeGOAT so most of them stayed in the West

[imdaman99]

Because Lebron has the clout to make things happen. He has left teams high and dry and in shambles, so teams are terrified of not getting him the help around him. Imagine if Lebron gets pissed at the Lakers and leaves them. Knicks have won a playoff game more recently then them. It might be another 10 years before airb&npac comes up for air.

[Vino24]

Because Lebron has the clout to make things happen. He has left teams high and dry and in shambles, so teams are terrified of not getting him the help around him. Imagine if Lebron gets pissed at the Lakers and leaves them. Knicks have won a playoff game more recently then them. It might be another 10 years before airb&npac comes up for air.

Interesting take. Cavs won 0 titles ever before Bron. Shambles though. LeResurrect took 5 years worth of Kobe shambles and turned them to title contenders

[Phoenix]

2013- missed playoffs ( rookie year)
2014- 4th seed
2015- 6th seed
2016- 5th seed
2017- 8th seed
2018 -3rd seed
2019 -3rd seed
2020- (currently 8th)

How does this equate to a career long struggle for the 8th seed? Furthermore why are you comparing the results of Lebron James to Damian Lillard when there's like....60-70 spots between them on the all-time list? And the important question of all.....why am I answering this seriously?

[AirBonner]

LeKang

[LAmbruh]

One healthy run in his 17th season is all it took to secure 1st seed


With rather ease too


No one was even close taking our slot since week 1 in October


Business as usual for the Gray 1


So blessed

[AirBonner]

One healthy run in his 17th season is all it took to secure 1st seed


With rather ease too


No one was even close taking our slot since week 1 in October


Business as usual for the Gray 1


So blessed

Big facts my dude! LeBron still running the league

[imdaman99]

Interesting take. Cavs won 0 titles ever before Bron. Shambles though. LeResurrect took 5 years worth of Kobe shambles and turned them to title contenders

He left them in shambles buddy. How many winning seasons has the teams he left had after he left? How about bringing about a winning culture that they continue to succeed even after he bounces? It's not exactly an insult to Lebron, don't you pride yourself on him being the entire reason any team ever succeeds?

Weren't you a Celtics fan? How does it feel rooting for the Lakers nowadays? :lol

[AirBonner]

He left them in shambles buddy. How many winning seasons has the teams he left had after he left? How about bringing about a winning culture that they continue to succeed even after he bounces? It's not exactly an insult to Lebron, don't you pride yourself on him being the entire reason any team ever succeeds?

Weren't you a Celtics fan? How does it feel rooting for the Lakers nowadays? :lol
Winning culture? Where was MJ’s winning culture before Phil Jackson? Now where is LeBron’s Phil Jackson?

[imdaman99]

Winning culture? Where was MJ’s winning culture before Phil Jackson? Now where is LeBron’s Phil Jackson?

Where was Phil Jackson's winning culture before Michael Jordan? We could do this all day :lol

Bulls still succeeded after MJ got mafia'd. I guess you'll argue that's because Scottie Pippen was the best player in the NBA at the time. And we will go around in circles. Rinse and Repeat.

[AirBonner]

Where was Phil Jackson's winning culture before Michael Jordan? We could do this all day :lol

Bulls still succeeded after MJ got mafia'd. I guess you'll argue that's because Scottie Pippen was the best player in the NBA at the time. And we will go around in circles. Rinse and Repeat.

Phil Jackson won 5 chips after MJ

[FourthTenor]

Phil Jackson won 5 chips after MJ

Also won two chips as a player.

Phil taught MJ how to win.

Lebron had no proven mentors. He achieved everything on his own. Through his own hustle, brains, and gigantic elephant trunk.

Earned not given.

[LAmbruh]

Appreciate the 5 stars

[Axe]

Meanwhile players like like Dame struggle Their entire career for that elusive 8th seed. Why does LeBron make it look so easy?
Kudos to ad and superman for making this a possibility for the lakers. Also vogel, a much better coach than that scrub ty lue.

[AirBonner]

Also won two chips as a player.

Phil taught MJ how to win.

Lebron had no proven mentors. He achieved everything on his own. Through his own hustle, brains, and gigantic elephant trunk.

Earned not given.

:biggums::banana:

Bingo. LeBron self-molded into the goat

[Roundball_Rock]

Where was Phil Jackson's winning culture before Michael Jordan?

In Albany. :lol

The Jordan argument is dumb: Jordan was on his first NBA team so there is no NBA coaching history of him before Jordan. We did see him in the NBA after Jordan (twice), though, and as a pro coach before Jordan. The common theme before, with, and after MJ is a ton of chips...

[AirBonner]

In Albany. :lol

The Jordan argument is dumb: Jordan was on his first NBA team so there is no NBA coaching history of him before Jordan. We did see him in the NBA after Jordan (twice), though, and as a pro coach before Jordan. The common theme before, with, and after MJ is a ton of chips...
Well said

[warriorfan]

Lebron didn’t grow shit he transplanted an already grown plant. Anthony Davis #2 in career PER.

https://i.postimg.cc/XYXydy36/4-BB05-EEE-9488-4-AC2-8-EBA-A4-E0773-B9-AD0.jpg

[kawhileonard2]

Because He has a player better than him on his team

[Docs Orders]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Riz5vozHmQrd3uZhEN/giphy.gif

[Gudo]

The word is recruit, not cultivate. If lebron is cultivating anything, it is ball dominance and letting everyone rely on him to statpad.

[insidious301]

The word is recruit, not cultivate. If lebron is cultivating anything, it is ball dominance and letting everyone rely on him to statpad.

LeBron has the second most Finals MVPs ever. That ball dominance looks rather successful to me. You might need to brush up on your basketball history.

[LAmbruh]

The word is recruit, not cultivate. If lebron is cultivating anything, it is ball dominance and letting everyone rely on him to statpad.

Weird, Kyrie and Davis had career years


Statpadding his teammates is a new one, impressive

[LAmbruh]

LeBron has the second most Finals MVPs ever. That ball dominance looks rather successful to me. You might need to brush up on your basketball history.

Damn, slayed

[goozeman]

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

Rank Player PER
1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.49
3. Anthony Davis 27.42
4. Shaquille O'Neal* 26.43
5. David Robinson* 26.18
6. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
7. Bob Pettit* 25.34
8. Kevin Durant 25.20
9. Chris Paul 25.09
10. James Harden 24.80
11. Neil Johnston* 24.68
12. Charles Barkley* 24.63
13. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*24.58
14. Tim Duncan* 24.22
15. Magic Johnson* 24.11
16. Karl Malone* 23.90
17. Stephen Curry 23.83
18. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
19. Julius Erving* 23.58
20. Larry Bird* 23.50

[warriorfan]

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

Rank Player PER
1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.49
3. Anthony Davis 27.42
4. Shaquille O'Neal* 26.43
5. David Robinson* 26.18
6. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
7. Bob Pettit* 25.34
8. Kevin Durant 25.20
9. Chris Paul 25.09
10. James Harden 24.80
11. Neil Johnston* 24.68
12. Charles Barkley* 24.63
13. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*24.58
14. Tim Duncan* 24.22
15. Magic Johnson* 24.11
16. Karl Malone* 23.90
17. Stephen Curry 23.83
18. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
19. Julius Erving* 23.58
20. Larry Bird* 23.50

https://i.giphy.com/media/F1kvOEfagZlgQ/200.gif

[AirBonner]

Neil Johnston is 11th























Who tf is Neil Johnston?

[Lebron23]

The word is recruit, not cultivate. If lebron is cultivating anything, it is ball dominance and letting everyone rely on him to statpad.

Just shut up. You don't understand basketball. Go back to realgm before I kick your @$$.

[LAmbruh]

Just shut up. You don't understand basketball. Go back to realgm before I kick your @$$.

Damn, ether

[Axe]

Just shut up. You don't understand basketball. Go back to realgm before I kick your @$$.
:roll:

[goozeman]

Who tf is Neil Johnston?

3x scoring champ from the 50's. Led the league in WS 5 straight years, and only played 8 seasons. Had his career cut short due to knee injury though. His last good year before injury and retirement was right around time Bill Russell took over the league. Had to look him up myself. Pretty interesting guy. Played professional baseball before switching to basketball. Coached Wilt. The guy literally died on the court at age 49 playing a pickup game. I guess because of his short career and the fact he died at such a relatively young age most people have probably never heard of him.

[insidious301]

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

Rank Player PER
1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.49
3. Anthony Davis 27.42
4. Shaquille O'Neal* 26.43
5. David Robinson* 26.18
6. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
7. Bob Pettit* 25.34
8. Kevin Durant 25.20
9. Chris Paul 25.09
10. James Harden 24.80
11. Neil Johnston* 24.68
12. Charles Barkley* 24.63
13. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*24.58
14. Tim Duncan* 24.22
15. Magic Johnson* 24.11
16. Karl Malone* 23.90
17. Stephen Curry 23.83
18. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
19. Julius Erving* 23.58
20. Larry Bird* 23.50


LeBron leads the league in RPM. That is real adjusted plus minus. Anthony Davis meanwhile ranks #21 this year. Player Efficiency is only an efficiency stat whereas RPM includes efficiency and your overall impact. All of that is to say, RPM is the superior measure.

[LAmbruh]

LeBron leads the league in RPM. That is real adjusted plus minus. Anthony Davis meanwhile ranks #21 this year. Player Efficiency is only an efficiency stat whereas RPM includes efficiency and your overall impact. All of that is to say, RPM is the superior measure.

Damn, slayed 2.0

[Lebron23]

LeBron leads the league in RPM. That is real adjusted plus minus. Anthony Davis meanwhile ranks #21 this year. Player Efficiency is only an efficiency stat whereas RPM includes efficiency and your overall impact. All of that is to say, RPM is the superior measure.

Where would you rank Anthony Davis if he wins a finals mvp this year?

[insidious301]

Where would you rank Anthony Davis if he wins a finals mvp this year?

I have Davis higher than most ATM but it would depend how he plays. If AD is efficient and still scoring-rebounding with high frequency, I think he will break the 30-40 range. Team achievements are tricky. He would also need at least 5 more quality years before I can give a legit answer. Hopefully he can stay healthy!

[goozeman]

LeBron leads the league in RPM. That is real adjusted plus minus. Anthony Davis meanwhile ranks #21 this year. Player Efficiency is only an efficiency stat whereas RPM includes efficiency and your overall impact. All of that is to say, RPM is the superior measure.

Well, they measure different things. RPM is a slightly better stat in terms of a predictor. But PER still is a good indicator of who is doing what while on the court. Lebron James is basically the only facilitator the Lakers have. Of course his numbers are going to be better on something like RPM on that team. In any case, those are career numbers I posted. Doesn't change the fact that Lebron teaming up with Davis is basically like Jordan teaming up with prime Shaq.

[insidious301]

Well, they measure different things. RPM is a slightly better stat in terms of a predictor. But PER still is a good indicator of who is doing what while on the court. Lebron James is basically the only facilitator the Lakers have. Of course his numbers are going to be better on something like RPM on that team. In any case, those are career numbers I posted. Doesn't change the fact that Lebron teaming up with Davis is basically like Jordan teaming up with prime Shaq.

RPM is a cumulative & adjusted stat. I use PER too. You are right that its not bad. Its just not very good compared to RPM, which also goes beyond a stat sheet. LeBron had Davis beat handily and years before playing on the Lakers. Your Jordan/Shaq comparison is not a very good one. No offense. Davis never had the impact of Shaq, Jordan or LeBron. He has a nice PER, but LeBron basically dwarfs him in all other cumulative metrics.

[TheCorporation]

Past his prime? Szn 17? LeIncredible

[FireDavidKahn]

Meanwhile players like like Dame struggle Their entire career for that elusive 8th seed. Why does LeBron make it look so easy?

LeGrandpaGirth gets it done.

[FireDavidKahn]

Also won two chips as a player.

Phil taught MJ how to win.

Lebron had no proven mentors. He achieved everything on his own. Through his own hustle, brains, and gigantic elephant trunk.

Earned not given.

He's always taken the toughest path.

[LAmbruh]

He's always taken the toughest path.

Co-sign

[bullettooth]

He's always taken the toughest path.

:lol

[Axe]

He's always taken the toughest path.
Sure, the east was very tough in the last decade..

[TheCorporation]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Riz5vozHmQrd3uZhEN/giphy.gif

:lol :lol

[Lebron23]

Making his teammates better.

[Roundball_Rock]

RPM is a cumulative & adjusted stat. I use PER too. You are right that its not bad. Its just not very good compared to RPM, which also goes beyond a stat sheet. LeBron had Davis beat handily and years before playing on the Lakers. Your Jordan/Shaq comparison is not a very good one. No offense. Davis never had the impact of Shaq, Jordan or LeBron. He has a nice PER, but LeBron basically dwarfs him in all other cumulative metrics.

What he also didn't mention is PER penalizes ballhandlers because of increased turnovers. That is why the top of the list is all big men plus a SG outside of LeBron.

[Whoah10115]

Cultivate as in get Anthony Davis and a bunch of other guys to play?

[AirBonner]

What he also didn't mention is PER penalizes ballhandlers because of increased turnovers. That is why the top of the list is all big men plus a SG outside of LeBron.

Bingo. Thanks for putting that into context