Would the Warriors be favored heading into 16' Finals if...

[3ball]

everyone knew in advance that the dominant MVP version of Curry wouldn't exist in that series - and instead would lay a massive egg with 22 on 42%, while Kyrie killed it at 27 on 46%?

[insidious301]

everyone knew in advance that the dominant MVP version of Curry wouldn't exist in that series - and would lay a massive egg with 22 on 42%, while Kyrie killed it at 27 on 46%?

Probably not. Likewise nobody could've predicted LeBron would average b2b 40-point games, while leading his team in all major stat categories. Unheard-of dominance just to stave off elimination.

[Lebron23]

everyone knew in advance that the dominant MVP version of Curry wouldn't exist in that series - and instead would lay a massive egg with 22 on 42%, while Kyrie killed it at 27 on 46%?

Credits to the Cavaliers defense. And LeBron James leading the Cavs in all major statistical categories.

[TheCorporation]

LeAnchor Strikes again :applause:

Thanks OP

[Lebron23]

LeAnchor Strikes again :applause:

Thanks OP

Op is scared that lebron is going to win another nba title.

[LAmbruh]

Off topic:

Crazy to think Warriors had THREE Olympic players in Rio that summer and none named Stephen Curry

[3ball]

Probably not. Likewise nobody could've predicted LeBron would average b2b 40-point games, while leading his team in all major stat categories. Unheard-of dominance just to stave off elimination.

But his 2nd option was also getting 40 and killed the Warriors #1 option

For example, if KJ outplayed MJ in the 93' Finals, no one would say that Barkley had a goat accomplishment by winning that series.. or if Rik Smits outplayed Shaq in the 00' Finals, no one would give Miller credit for a goat accomplishment

you can do this with any Finals - Kyrie destroyed Curry, so Lebron didn't have a goat accomplishment.. he averaged 30 ppg (nothing) and led 4 other arbitrary categories, but a lot of guys have done that

[Axe]

What kind of an mvp chokes his team's hca to matthew dellavedova in the finals? :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

What kind of an mvp chokes his team's hca to matthew dellavedova in the finals? :confusedshrug:

if KJ outplayed MJ in the 93' Finals, no one would say that Barkley had a goat accomplishment by winning that series.. or if Rik Smits outplayed Shaq in the 00' Finals, no one would give Miller credit for a goat accomplishment

you can do this with any Finals - Kyrie destroyed Curry, so Lebron didn't have a goat accomplishment.. he averaged 30 ppg (ordinary) and led 4 other arbitrary categories, but a lot of guys have done that

[insidious301]

But his 2nd option was also getting 40 and killed the Warriors #1 option

His second option never had b2b 40-point games. And his second option didn't lead his team in all major stat categories. You're cherrypicking again.


you can do this with any Finals - Kyrie destroyed Curry, so Lebron didn't have a goat accomplishment.. he averaged 30 ppg (nothing) and led 4 other arbitrary categories but a lot of guys have done that

Never said it was the GOAT accomplishment. I will say it again. No other player in finals history led their team in every major stat category. Just like nobody had led their team back from a 3-1 finals deficit. LeBron's achievement was unprecedented.

[SouBeachTalents]

His second option never had b2b 40-point games. And his second option didn't lead his team in all major stat categories. You're cherrypicking again.



Never said it was the GOAT accomplishment. I will say it again. No other player in finals history led their team in every major stat category. Just like nobody had led their team back from a 3-1 finals deficit. LeBron's achievement was unprecedented.
Not just Finals, no player in history has led both teams in every category in ANY series, including lopsided first round matchups

[Axe]

if KJ outplayed MJ in the 93' Finals, no one would say that Barkley had a goat accomplishment by winning that series.. or if Rik Smits outplayed Shaq in the 00' Finals, no one would give Miller credit for a goat accomplishment

you can do this with any Finals - Kyrie destroyed Curry, so Lebron didn't have a goat accomplishment.. he averaged 30 ppg (ordinary) and led 4 other arbitrary categories, but a lot of guys have done that
Some weird copypasta shit rt

[3ball]

His second option never had b2b 40-point games. And his second option didn't lead his team in all major stat categories. You're cherrypicking again.



Never said it was the GOAT accomplishment. I will say it again. No other player in finals history led their team in every major stat category. Just like nobody had led their team back from a 3-1 finals deficit. LeBron's achievement was unprecedented.

What are the "major" stats?

The ones you decide?

Lots of guys led 5 stat categories - that's nothing

and stats like efficiency, turnovers, clutch points, or double teams are stats that drive winning more than say, individual assists.

Again, Lebron's 2nd option demolished their 1st option - anytime that happens, the 2nd option team should win EASILY - the only reason it took 7 games was because lebron wet the bed in the first 4 (24 and 6 TO's)

[insidious301]

Not just Finals, no player in history has led both teams in every category in ANY series, including lopsided first round matchups

Good point, SouBeach. That makes the feat even more impressive now that I know that.

[3ball]

Good point, SouBeach. That makes the feat even more impressive now that I know that.

Lots of guys led 5 stat categories - that's nothing

and stats like efficiency, turnovers, clutch points, or double teams are stats that drive winning more than say, individual assists.

Ultimately, anytime a 2nd option destroys the opposing 1st option, the 2nd option team should win EASILY - the only reason it took 7 games was because lebron wet the bed in the first 4 (24 and 6 TO's)

[insidious301]

What are the "major" stats?

The ones you decide?

Lots of guys led 5 stat categories - that's nothing

and stats like efficiency, turnovers, clutch points, or double teams are stats that drive winning more than say, individual assists.

Again, Lebron's 2nd option demolished their 1st option - anytime that happens, the 2nd option team should win EASILY - the only reason it took 7 games was because lebron wet the bed in the first 4 (24 and 6 TO's)

Points, rebounds, blocks, steals, assists. Everything that goes into a gamelog. How do you not know this? And no, lots of guys have not done that. LeBron was the only player in finals history to do so. And apparently in any series ever according to SouBeach. Brush up on your NBA history before having an opinion.

[Axe]

Points, rebounds, blocks, steals, rebounds. Everything that goes into a gamelog. How do you not know this? And no, lots of guys have not done that. LeBron was the only player in finals history to do so. And apparently in any series ever according to SouBeach. Brush up on your NBA history before having an opinion.
That's the reason why he's called the ultimate carrying machine in the playoffs. However, that also became possible because outside him, kyrie and love, the cavs are a team filled with bunch of scrubs and that includes their head coach during that time as well. It's the opposite of the warriors, a truly stacked team filled with multiple stars, one who was mvp and scoring champion then one who's a former fmvp.

[3ball]

Kyrie destroyed Curry, so Lebron had to take out... Klay???... :kobe:

Tough path my ass lol... :facepalm..

there was no MVP-caliber star like Magic, Drexler, Barkley, Malone or Kemp putting pressure on lebron - so Curry failed to put pressure on Lebron that MJ faced from opposing #1 options in the Finals

With his #2 taking out the Warriors' best player, Lebron had the easiest path ever, but made it hard because he choked the first 4 games away (24 and 6 TO's through 4 games)

Lebron/Kyrie/Love > Curry/Klay/Dray

It's not even close tbh, nor should it be, especially if lebron is truly a top 10 all-time player

[3ball]

Points, rebounds, blocks, steals, assists. Everything that goes into a gamelog. How do you not know this? And no, lots of guys have not done that. LeBron was the only player in finals history to do so. And apparently in any series ever according to SouBeach. Brush up on your NBA history before having an opinion.

Efficiency and turnovers are in the game log too but he didn't lead those categories

So again, lots of guys have led 5 arbitrary categories before - it's nothing..

40 ppg is a bigger deal (in a slower-paced series).. 41/9/6 > 30/11/9 with faster pace - that's a 12-13 point gap when you include pace.. plus greater clutch and overall burden.. and regarding burden:

what's a tougher burden - having an equal scoring partner like Kyrie that uses an equal number of possessions (shared load), or averaging 20 more than Pippen and doubling his usage (carry-job)??... :confusedshrug:... Kyrie commanded his own defensive attention, which helped lebron, whereas the Pippen took zero pressure off MJ

[TheCorporation]

Off topic:

Crazy to think Warriors had THREE Olympic players in Rio that summer and none named Stephen Curry

And WON at a huge deficit?

MJ could NEVER

[Stephonit]

If we were apprised beforehand that the league was willing intervene twice to prolong the series probably not.

[3ball]

And WON at a huge deficit?

MJ could NEVER

Lebron averaged 2 more than Kyrie (shared load), while Jordan averaged 20 more than Pippen (carry-job)

Infact, let's compare sidekick performances:

16' Kyrie'...... 27 on 56.4 true shooting
93' Pippen... 21 on 45.9 true shooting


Lol lebron had far more help

[TheCorporation]

Lebron averaged 2 more than Kyrie (shared load), while Jordan averaged 20 more than Pippen (carry-job)

Infact, let's compare sidekick performances:

16' Kyrie'...... 27 on 58.6 true shooting
93' Pippen... 21 on 45.9 true shooting


Lol lebron had far more help

LeElevate. Proving the point thanks. Kyrie needed LBJ to unlock his full potential

What has Kyrie done w/o LBJ? Meanwhile Pippen w/o MJ was out snatching 3rd in MVP votes :lol

That ether boi :lol

[Axe]

Lebron averaged 2 more than Kyrie (shared load), while Jordan averaged 20 more than Pippen (carry-job)

Infact, let's compare sidekick performances:

16' Kyrie'...... 27 on 56.4 true shooting
93' Pippen... 21 on 45.9 true shooting


Lol lebron had far more help
Why always scoring or shooting tho

[3ball]

LeElevate. Proving the point thanks. Kyrie needed LBJ to unlock his full potential

What has Kyrie done w/o LBJ? Meanwhile Pippen w/o MJ was out snatching 3rd in MVP votes :lol

That ether boi :lol

Kyrie made the 2nd round just like Pippen

And Kyrie can get good stats without a system, while Pippen can't and never did

Pippen was 3rd option behind 36-year old fossils Barkley and Olajuwon.. heck, Kukoc was frequently the preferred option over Pippen (96' Finals, 95' 1st Rd, 94' ECSF)

[Axe]

Kyrie made the 2nd round just like Pippen

And Kyrie can get good stats without a system, while Pippen can't and never did

Pippen was 3rd option behind 36-year old fossils Barkley and Olajuwon.. heck, Kukoc was frequently the preferred option over Pippen (96' Finals, 95' 1st Rd, 94' ECSF)
You know, you're judging pippen too much just because of his average scoring capabilities...

[3ball]

Why always scoring or shooting tho

Let's evaluate pippen's 6-point deficit to Kyrie - he can't make it up with defense:

Both the 93' Suns and Bulls averaged exactly 113.0 ORtg and 106.7 ppg - it was a deadlocked series and pippen's defense isn't preventing the Suns from busting out and averaging 112 (blowing the bulls away)

Heck, Dumas was 4th option (but a budding star and super-athlete) - yet he had 14' Kawhi numbers on Pippen (16 on 57%).. pippen's defense sucked

[Roundball_Rock]

Not just Finals, no player in history has led both teams in every category in ANY series, including lopsided first round matchups

Wow, good info. :cheers:


What has Kyrie done w/o LBJ? Meanwhile Pippen w/o MJ was out snatching 3rd in MVP votes

:lol

Not only that, Kyrie has in his entire career not gotten a single MVP vote--not even a 5th place vote. He has been in the NBA for a decade. He just isn't that caliber a player.

[ImKobe]

Points, rebounds, blocks, steals, assists. Everything that goes into a gamelog. How do you not know this? And no, lots of guys have not done that. LeBron was the only player in finals history to do so. And apparently in any series ever according to SouBeach. Brush up on your NBA history before having an opinion.

Wasn't possible to achieve that prior to the small ball era.

[insidious301]

Efficiency and turnovers are in the game log too but he didn't lead those categories

So again, lots of guys have led 5 arbitrary categories before - it's nothing..

40 ppg is a bigger deal (in a slower-paced series).. 41/9/6 > 30/11/9 with faster pace - that's a 12-13 point gap when you include pace.. plus greater clutch and overall burden.. and regarding burden:

what's a tougher burden - having an equal scoring partner like Kyrie that uses an equal number of possessions (shared load), or averaging 20 more than Pippen and doubling his usage (carry-job)??... :confusedshrug:... Kyrie commanded his own defensive attention, which helped lebron, whereas the Pippen took zero pressure off MJ

Efficiency is a reflection on your points. What that also means is that its a sub category for points. Turnovers are not a positive by the way. So everything still stands. No player in finals history has led their team in all 5 major stat categories. Points, rebounds, assists, steals & blocks. Apparently no player in postseason history has done done either. The exception was LeBron James.


Wasn't possible to achieve that prior to the small ball era.

I disagree. Speaking on the 2000s era however, you would have seen a plethora of players do it. But they haven't.

[Bronbron23]

everyone knew in advance that the dominant MVP version of Curry wouldn't exist in that series - and instead would lay a massive egg with 22 on 42%, while Kyrie killed it at 27 on 46%?

No but dosnt lebron and the cavs deserve some credit for that?

And who cares really who was favored. I had the 2 teams pretty much even going into it. The fact that lebron with 2 all star caliber players was considered a underdog in the first place shows how little faith vegas and even his own fans had fir his winning capabilities.

[Roundball_Rock]

I disagree. Speaking on the 2000s era however, you would have seen a plethora of players do it. But they haven't.

It is funny, if it is so easy why has only one player done it? You need a strong all-around skill set to do it, which only a handful of legends have. Of course if you think basketball is just about PPG you won't grasp that.


The fact that lebron with 2 all star caliber players was considered a underdog in the first place shows how little faith vegas and even his own fans had fir his winning capabilities.

73-9
57-25

Come on. It is obvious why the Warriors were favored. That is the same gap in wins between a 57 win team and a 41 win team.

[SouBeachTalents]

No but dosnt lebron and the cavs deserve some credit for that?

And who cares really who was favored. I had the 2 teams pretty much even going into it. The fact that lebron with 2 all star caliber players was considered a underdog in the first place shows how little faith vegas and even his own fans had fir his winning capabilities.
:oldlol: Might actually have something to do with the fact the Warriors won 16 more games, had HCA, the b2b MVP and were the defending champs. Shocking they were the betting favorites tbh

[insidious301]

It is funny, if it is so easy why has only one player done it? You need a strong all-around skill set to do it, which only a handful of legends have. Of course if you think basketball is just about PPG you won't grasp that.

Very odd that LeBron is the only modern star getting a caveat around his feats. I read what you said regarding scoring fans who limit Jordan to points. So true that context is then lost. LeBron would still be great with points alone, don't get me wrong, but at least most fans have the withal to include everything. They are the objective ones.

[insidious301]

:oldlol: Might actually have something to do with the fact the Warriors won 16 more games, had HCA, the b2b MVP and were the defending champs. Shocking they were the betting favorites tbh

Breaking the NBA record for wins probably had a little to do with it. Haha

[Bronbron23]

It is funny, if it is so easy why has only one player done it? You need a strong all-around skill set to do it, which only a handful of legends have. Of course if you think basketball is just about PPG you won't grasp that.



73-9
57-25

Come on. It is obvious why the Warriors were favored. That is the same gap in wins between a 57 win team and a 41 win team.

Problem is your using regular season stats of a team lead by a player who obviously cruises through the reg season. The warriors on the other hand were admittedly going all out trying to break the record. Those 2 teams were very even.

[Bronbron23]

:oldlol: Might actually have something to do with the fact the Warriors won 16 more games, had HCA, the b2b MVP and were the defending champs. Shocking they were the betting favorites tbh

Nope everyone knows lebron cruises through the regular season. Warriors on the other hand were trying to break the record. A mistake they acknowledged afterwards wasnt in their best interest. If bron went all out in 16 during the regular season he absolutely could of got the cabs to a similar record.

[Roundball_Rock]

73-9. 57-25. No one thought they were equal going into the series. You can't spin a 16 game difference.

[Bronbron23]

73-9. 57-25. No one thought they were equal going into the series. You can't spin a 16 game difference.

I did so did others. Its not spin. Millions of people profied from it as did i. Lebron dosn't try his hardest in the regular season. I think you'd agree with that. If he did he may nkt get 73 wins but he could easily get 68-70 wins if he did. Hes one of the greatest ever and had 2 all star caliber player in his prime.

[Roundball_Rock]

No one cared about the Cavs. The story was whether the Warriors were the GOAT team. They weren't being compared to the Cavs or OKC until after they underperformed in the PO.

[Bronbron23]

No one cared about the Cavs. The story was whether the Warriors were the GOAT team. They weren't being compared to the Cavs or OKC until after they underperformed in the PO.

Yes as usual the masses got caught up in the hype. Alot of smart people knew they weren't anywhere close to the goat team and knew the series was matched up very closely. As a matter of fact the year before the cavs were actually favored heavily and the warriors were much better than the cavs going into that finals for obvious reasons. It was the 73 win record and hype that got vegas and most people. Vegas has been wrong before though and so have the masses. As i said plenty of smart people knew it was evenly matched.

[ImKobe]

73-9. 57-25. No one thought they were equal going into the series. You can't spin a 16 game difference.

Yes you can, when the best player on the 73-win team injures his knee in the Playoffs and the best defensive player on the team gets suspended for a game, on top of two of their other players getting injured in the series.

Also, the Cavs' 57-25 record is kind of misleading with Irving missing 29 RS games due to injuries.

[AirBonner]

Yes you can, when the best player on the 73-win team injures his knee in the Playoffs and the best defensive player on the team gets suspended for a game, on top of two of their other players getting injured in the series.

Also, the Cavs' 57-25 record is kind of misleading with Irving missing 29 RS games due to injuries.

Love was out with a concussion. Next.

[AirBonner]

2016 obviously still cuts very deep. People are still making fvcking excuses for the Warriors 4 years later. Goat chip :bowdown:

[Bronbron23]

2016 obviously still cuts very deep. People are still making fvcking excuses for the Warriors 4 years later. Goat chip :bowdown:

Its not the goat chip but its a great one. Problem is all it does is cancel 2011 and 14 out

[insidious301]

Its not the goat chip but its a great one. Problem is all it does is cancel 2011 and 14 out

It is arguably the GOAT championship. LeBron led all major stat categories(points, rebounds, assists, steals & blocks), the first player in history to do so. Was also the first player in finals history to come back from a 3-1 deficit. What more are people looking for?

[AirBonner]

Its not the goat chip but its a great one. Problem is all it does is cancel 2011 and 14 out

That’s not how it works. Lead everyone in every major statistical category. Beat a 73-9 team. Came back from 3-1 deficit. Beat the only unanimous MVP. No other All-Stars on his team. Love out with concussion. Goat chip.

[AirBonner]

It is arguably the GOAT chip. LeBron led all major stat categories (points, rebounds, assists, steals & blocks) being the first player in history to do so. And was also the first player in finals history to come back from a 3-1 deficit. What more are people looking for?
:cheers:

[LoneyROY7]

You can tell 3ball's mentally unstable by the way he reposts word-for-word something he literally just posted moments before. It's like in his mind, he has to make SURE someone is listening to him. :lol

[AirBonner]

You can tell 3ball's mentally unstable by the way he reposts word-for-word something he literally just posted moments before. It's like in his mind, he has to make SURE someone is listening to him. :lol
2016 happened and he’s never seen the sun since. Probably barricaded in a basement in his MJ jammies watching reruns of the 2016 finals :rockon::pimp::banana:

[Roundball_Rock]

Love was out with a concussion. Next.

I like how IMKobe (one of the mini-2balls) acts like Kyrie actually has an impact on his team records. :lol They were on a 57 win pace without him, 57 win pace with him. At least he wasn't a cancer in 16' like he has been since then.


You can tell 3ball's mentally unstable by the way he reposts word-for-word something he literally just posted moments before. It's like in his mind, he has to make SURE someone is listening to him.

:lol


2016 happened and he’s never seen the sun since. Probably barricaded in a basement in his MJ jammies watching reruns of the 2016 final

It is funny he keeps talking about LeBron's teams when by 2ball's own admission he hasn't watch a NBA game since 2011. Yet he has all this "insight" into games, series, seasons, players he never watched.

[Bronbron23]

That’s not how it works. Lead everyone in every major statistical category. Beat a 73-9 team. Came back from 3-1 deficit. Beat the only unanimous MVP. No other All-Stars on his team. Love out with concussion. Goat chip.

his second option was a beast and scored 28 pts a game along with the biggest shot in the series. Bron had all time help that series

[insidious301]

his second option was a beast and scored 28 pts a game along with the biggest shot in the series. Bron had all time help that series

So was the team he went up against. They had the best r/s record of all time at that point. And what about LeBron himself? We're not going to ignore that he swept the numbers clean, right?

[AirBonner]

his second option was a beast and scored 28 pts a game along with the biggest shot in the series. Bron had all time help that series

Kyrie’s scoring that series basically made him equal to Pippen’s all-around game. So for that one series LeBron had a teammate equal to Pippen

[AirBonner]

I like how IMKobe (one of the mini-2balls) acts like Kyrie actually has an impact on his team records. :lol They were on a 57 win pace without him, 57 win pace with him. At least he wasn't a cancer in 16' like he has been since then.



:lol



It is funny he keeps talking about LeBron's teams when by 2ball's own admission he hasn't watch a NBA game since 2011. Yet he has all this "insight" into games, series, seasons, players he never watched.

He keeps commenting on things he has never seen. He’s breaking everything down to ppg. It’s sad, his copyPastas used to be entertaining and bits and pieces had some merit. Now he’s just unhinged lol

[Roundball_Rock]

Kyrie had a big scoring series (4 RPG, 4 APG) but Love was 9/7/1--some of Kyrie's scoring was picking up Love's slack. The Warriors' third best player was 17/10/6.

Kyrie in Cleveland made one all-NBA team (a third team in 15'). He then made one more in Boston (second team in 18'). That's two all-NBA in nine seasons (Draymond has two in eight seasons). He has yet to receive a single MVP vote (not even a fifth place vote). It is always ironic MJ fans hype a player with this resume up as great "help" while saying some with far superior resumes were bums...


He keeps commenting on things he has never seen. He’s breaking everything down to ppg. It’s sad, his copyPastas used to be entertaining and bits and pieces had some merit. Now he’s just unhinged lol

:lol

[insidious301]

Kyrie’s scoring that series basically made him equal to Pippen’s all-around game. So for that one series LeBron had a teammate equal to Pippen

This is a good point, Airbonner. I have seen multiple posters cite bpm of late, so Kyrie's cumulative box in that finals was at 6.4 bpm. Pippen in comparison had playoff runs of 8, 7 & 7. Those playoff runs were in 1991, 1992 and 1996. LeBron had Pippen-like help, but individually raised his game to uncharted heights.

[Roundball_Rock]

This is a good point, Airbonner. I have seen multiple posters cite bpm of late, so Kyrie's cumulative box in that finals was at 6.4 bpm. Pippen in comparison had playoff runs of 8, 7 & 7. Those playoff runs were in 1991, 1992 and 1996. LeBron had Pippen-like help, but individually raised his game to uncharted heights.

Yeah, and this is if we cherry pick Irving's best series. That type of BPM was almost the norm for Pippen. For reference, before we compare them, here is what various BPM's mean:

+10.0 is an all-time season (think peak Jordan or LeBron)
+8.0 is an MVP season (think peak Dirk or peak Shaq)
+6.0 is an all-NBA season
+4.0 is in all-star consideration
+2.0 is a good starter
+0.0 is a decent starter or solid 6th man
-2.0 is a bench player (this is also defined as "replacement level")
Below -2.0 are many end-of-bench players

Pippen's playoff BPM 91'-98': 6.5, 6.6, 2.0, 5.6, 5.9, 7.8, 5.1, 5.6 (5.6 avg.)
Irving's playoff BPM 15'-18': 5.2, 6.0, 2.2, 2.5 (4.2 avg.)

How about some other sidekick comps?

Wade playoff BPM 11'-14': 8.4, 5.3, 3.1, 0.9 (4.6 avg.)
Gasol playoff BPM 08'-11': 4.2, 5.3, 5.9, 1.9 (4.8 avg.)
Klay playoff BPM 15'-16': 1.9, 4.2 (3.1 avg.)
Pierce playoff BPM 08'-10': 3.6, 1.7, 3.0 (3.0 avg.)
Kobe playoff BPM 00'-02': 4.2, 6.5, 4.3 (4.9 avg.)
Worthy playoff BPM 87'-91': 5.0, 4.3, 5.1, 2.2, 0.2 (3.4 avg.)
Dumars playoff BPM 89'-91': 2.0, 1.8, 3.7 (2.4 avg.)
Pippen's playoff BPM 91'-98': 6.5, 6.6, 2.0, 5.6, 5.9, 7.8, 5.1, 5.6 (5.6 avg.)
Irving's playoff BPM 15'-18': 5.2, 6.0, 2.2, 2.5 (4.2 avg.)

Pippen is at 5.6 with the second highest player at 4.9.

[Bronbron23]

So was the team he went up against. They had the best r/s record of all time at that point. And what about LeBron himself? We're not going to ignore that he swept the numbers clean, right?

no not all lebron was sick i never said he wasnt i said it was great. Goat is debatable though. There were better championship teams than the warriors that got beat by other great players plus some guys won chips with very little help.

I guess it depends also on how you look at the warriors. I never looked at the pre kd warriors as one of the best ever just because of a regular season record and i dont put a whole lot into there first chip because it was a huge asterisk. They were good but there was better.

[NBAGOAT]

no not all lebron was sick i never said he wasnt i said it was great. Goat is debatable though. There were better championship teams than the warriors that got beat by other great players plus some guys won chips with very little help.

I guess it depends also on how you look at the warriors. I never looked at the pre kd warriors as one of the best ever just because of a regular season record and i dont put a whole lot into there first chip because it was a huge asterisk. They were good but there was better.

I think goat series is overrating too but how does a championship team get beat by a great player.

Do you mean just that there were better teams who won titles or better non title teams or that there were better championship cores who lost other years like say the 87 Celtics?

The first statement I agree with, 2nd Idk even if true it’s a very short list. For the 3rd those teams like the 87 Celtics usually lose to an all time great team which I don’t think the cavs were.

[ImKobe]

Kyrie had a big scoring series (4 RPG, 4 APG) but Love was 9/7/1--some of Kyrie's scoring was picking up Love's slack. The Warriors' third best player was 17/10/6.

Kyrie in Cleveland made one all-NBA team (a third team in 15'). He then made one more in Boston (second team in 18'). That's two all-NBA in nine seasons (Draymond has two in eight seasons). He has yet to receive a single MVP vote (not even a fifth place vote). It is always ironic MJ fans hype a player with this resume up as great "help" while saying some with far superior resumes were bums...



:lol

Irving averaged 25/3/5/2 on 57%TS for the title run. He outplayed Steph in the Finals and hit one of the greatest shots in Finals history. That's great help. Irving's the greatest ball-handler in league history and has a complete package on the offensive end, that's not enough for a 2nd option?

As far as Kevin Love goes, he did get concussed and missed a game and only got 26 mpg, but RJ was great and TT dominated the glass, that made up for what Love wasn't giving them throughout the series, though Love did end up forcing Steph into a contested 3 to pretty much seal the series. 9/14/3/2 and +19 (led all players) in Game 7.

[Bronbron23]

I think goat series is overrating too but how does a championship team get beat by a great player.

Do you mean just that there were better teams who won titles or better non title teams or that there were better championship cores who lost other years like say the 87 Celtics?

The first statement I agree with, 2nd Idk even if true it’s a very short list. For the 3rd those teams like the 87 Celtics usually lose to an all time great team which I don’t think the cavs were.
I just ment that other great players beat teams as good or better than the warriors and some great players beat teams maybe not as good but they had less help in doing so. Shit if lebron is the goat than that should automatically make dirks chip more impressive given he beat the goat with 2 all stars.

[Roundball_Rock]

Forgot McHale. Updated.

Wade playoff BPM 11'-14': 8.4, 5.3, 3.1, 0.9 (4.6 avg.)
Gasol playoff BPM 08'-11': 4.2, 5.3, 5.9, 1.9 (4.8 avg.)
Klay playoff BPM 15'-16': 1.9, 4.2 (3.1 avg.)
Pierce playoff BPM 08'-10': 3.6, 1.7, 3.0 (3.0 avg.)
Kobe playoff BPM 00'-02': 4.2, 6.5, 4.3 (4.9 avg.)
Worthy playoff BPM 87'-91': 5.0, 4.3, 5.1, 2.2, 0.2 (3.4 avg.)
Dumars playoff BPM 89'-91': 2.0, 1.8, 3.7 (2.4 avg.)
Pippen playoff BPM 91'-98': 6.5, 6.6, 2.0, 5.6, 5.9, 7.8, 5.1, 5.6 (5.6 avg.)
Irving playoff BPM 15'-18': 5.2, 6.0, 2.2, 2.5 (4.2 avg.)
McHale playoff BPM 84'-88': 1.1, 2.9, 5.1, 1.7, 6.1 (3.3 avg.)

[NBAGOAT]

I just ment that other great players beat teams as good or better than the warriors and some great players beat teams maybe not as good but they had less help in doing so. Shit if lebron is the goat than that should automatically make dirks chip more impressive given he beat the goat with 2 all stars.

Alright that makes sense the championship team part threw me off. Still shouldn’t we be just looking a combo of who you beat and how much help you had.

It’s a short list of more impressive runs by that criteria. Dirk as you said, Hakeem 94, Duncan 03 had so little help those runs are impressive but idk if any faced teams better than gs. Magic/ bird only names that pop out as guys who beat teams better than warriors because they beat each other

[aj1987]

Irving averaged 25/3/5/2 on 57%TS for the title run. He outplayed Steph in the Finals and hit one of the greatest shots in Finals history. That's great help. Irving's the greatest ball-handler in league history and has a complete package on the offensive end, that's not enough for a 2nd option?

As far as Kevin Love goes, he did get concussed and missed a game and only got 26 mpg, but RJ was great and TT dominated the glass, that made up for what Love wasn't giving them throughout the series, though Love did end up forcing Steph into a contested 3 to pretty much seal the series. 9/14/3/2 and +19 (led all players) in Game 7.

This dude just said Jefferson was "GREAT" in the 2016 Finals. :roll: :roll: :roll:

You can't make this shit up. :roll: :roll:

[Roundball_Rock]

This dude just said Jefferson was "GREAT" in the 2016 Finals. :roll: :roll: :roll:

You can't make this shit up. :roll: :roll:

:lol


It’s a short list of more impressive runs by that criteria. Dirk as you said, Hakeem 94, Duncan 03 had so little help those runs are impressive but idk if any faced teams better than gs

Hakeem had Thorpe who is a weak second option compare to second options on championship teams but he wasn't terrible compared to second options on other contenders in 94'.

HOU: Thorpe
NY: Starks
IND: Smits
CHI: Grant
UTA: Stockton
ATL: Willis
SA: Elliott (Rodman second best player, Elliott second option)
PHX: Johnson

Most of these players are in the same class as Thorpe (e.g, 1x all-star types).

03' Duncan is more impressive given his team compared to the comp.

[SouBeachTalents]

:lol



Hakeem had Thorpe who is a weak second option compare to second options on championship teams but he wasn't terrible compared to second options on other contenders in 94'.

HOU: Thorpe
NY: Starks
IND: Smits
CHI: Grant
UTA: Stockton
ATL: Willis
SA: Elliott (Rodman second best player, Elliott second option)
PHX: Johnson

Most of these players are in the same class as Thorpe (e.g, 1x all-star types).

03' Duncan is more impressive given his team compared to the comp.
Honestly, idk. Duncan had the most impressive win beating the Lakers, but then he faced the Mavs with Dirk missing half the series and a truly weak Finals team in the Nets. Hakeem still had to face Barkley/KJ & Malone/Stockton to reach the Finals, and the Blazers are definitely no pushover in the first round. I'd agree that on paper the Rockets & Knicks were similar in talent, but the Knicks were definitely a tougher Finals opponent than the Nets. All credit goes to Duncan for knocking off the Shaq/Kobe Lakers without another all-star caliber player, but imo Hakeem's run was definitely tougher

[ImKobe]

This dude just said Jefferson was "GREAT" in the 2016 Finals. :roll: :roll: :roll:

You can't make this shit up. :roll: :roll:

He was. You don't remember when Love was out for Game 3 and he started?

[aj1987]

He was. You don't remember when Love was out for Game 3 and he started?

He had 9 points and 8 rebounds. For the series, he averaged 5 PPG on 50% with average defense. That's your definition of a great player? Wow!

You're out here acting like he had 20+ points on ridiculous efficiency and the catalyst for the win. :roll:

[Roundball_Rock]

Honestly, idk. Duncan had the most impressive win beating the Lakers, but then he faced the Mavs with Dirk missing half the series and a truly weak Finals team in the Nets. Hakeem still had to face Barkley/KJ & Malone/Stockton to reach the Finals, and the Blazers are definitely no pushover in the first round. I'd agree that on paper the Rockets & Knicks were similar in talent, but the Knicks were definitely a tougher Finals opponent than the Nets. All credit goes to Duncan for knocking off the Shaq/Kobe Lakers without another all-star caliber player, but imo Hakeem's run was definitely tougher

Good points. I suppose in terms of second options Duncan's run still has the edge but Hakeem's had more overall difficulty if you are going round-by-round, versus comparing their toughest opponent (Lakers for Duncan and Knicks for the Rockets).

[Bronbron23]

Alright that makes sense the championship team part threw me off. Still shouldn’t we be just looking a combo of who you beat and how much help you had.

It’s a short list of more impressive runs by that criteria. Dirk as you said, Hakeem 94, Duncan 03 had so little help those runs are impressive but idk if any faced teams better than gs. Magic/ bird only names that pop out as guys who beat teams better than warriors because they beat each other

Yeah its definitely not a long list. Ive always said the 16 was great. Its just not the best imo. I was never sold on the warriors though until they got kd. I thought the pre kd warriors were overhyped due to the fact that the only had one asterisk chip followed by a pretty big choke job.

Its funny because alot of bron stans blame bosh and particularly wade for the 2014 loss because they underperformed but they totally ignore that steph also underperformed in 16 and generally underperforms in the finals. Shouldn't this lesson how great of a win 16 was?

[ImKobe]

He had 9 points and 8 rebounds. For the series, he averaged 5 PPG on 50% with average defense. That's your definition of a great player? Wow!

You're out here acting like he had 20+ points on ridiculous efficiency and the catalyst for the win. :roll:

Try watching the series, he was great in his role.

[aj1987]

Try watching the series, he was great in his role.

I did. I've probably watched that entire series 4 or 5 times. You said RJ was "great", while he was putting up 5 PPG and playing mediocre defense. Go and watch the series, kid.

[insidious301]

no not all lebron was sick i never said he wasnt i said it was great. Goat is debatable though. There were better championship teams than the warriors that got beat by other great players plus some guys won chips with very little help.

I guess it depends also on how you look at the warriors. I never looked at the pre kd warriors as one of the best ever just because of a regular season record and i dont put a whole lot into there first chip because it was a huge asterisk. They were good but there was better.

Understood. The Warriors were on the level of 96 Chicago however. Probably wouldn't beat them in a B07 but were also better than all teams the 90s Bulls eliminated. The 2016 ring is definitely more impressive than any of Jordan's titles. Any of Shaq and Kobe's as well. Duncan's 2003 ring could be taken into consideration. That's really it unless you want to go pre-merger.

[ELITEpower23]

Not just Finals, no player in history has led both teams in every category in ANY series, including lopsided first round matchups

Bingo

[warriorfan]

Understood. The Warriors were on the level of 96 Chicago however. Probably wouldn't beat them in a B07 but were also better than all teams the 90s Bulls eliminated. The 2016 ring is definitely more impressive than any of Jordan's titles. Any of Shaq and Kobe's as well. Duncan's 2003 ring could be taken into consideration. That's really it unless you want to go pre-merger.

Look at LeBron’s splits games 1 through 4 and then 5 through 7. Game 5 is when Dray was suspended and then Bogut goes down with a knee injury after Jr Smith takes him out. This is when Iguodala started having back problems too. Lebron was struggling when the Warriors were playing their defensive core. After their 3 best defensive players were neutralized from suspension or injury is when LeBron started going off. He couldn’t score efficiently before that. 2016 was not a win vs “a 73 win team”. Curry wasn’t healthy after tearing his MCL earlier in the playoffs and their 3 best defensive players weren’t available. LeBron fans desperately try to frame that championship as something it was not.

[ELITEpower23]

Yeah its definitely not a long list. Ive always said the 16 was great. Its just not the best imo. I was never sold on the warriors though until they got kd. I thought the pre kd warriors were overhyped due to the fact that the only had one asterisk chip followed by a pretty big choke job.

Its funny because alot of bron stans blame bosh and particularly wade for the 2014 loss because they underperformed but they totally ignore that steph also underperformed in 16 and generally underperforms in the finals. Shouldn't this lesson how great of a win 16 was?

You know they are beyond deeply hurt when they mention Richard Jefferson as an argument :lol :lol

[ELITEpower23]

Look at LeBron’s splits games 1 through 4 and then 5 through 7. Game 5 is when Dray was suspended and then Bogut goes down with a knee injury after Jr Smith takes him out. This is when Iguodala started having back problems too. Lebron was struggling when the Warriors were playing their defensive core. After their 3 best defensive players were neutralized from suspension or injury is when LeBron started going off. He couldn’t score efficiently before that. 2016 was not a win vs “a 73 win team”. Curry wasn’t healthy after tearing his MCL earlier in the playoffs and their 3 best defensive players weren’t available. LeBron fans desperately try to frame that championship as something it was not.

We dont condone lying around here:

https://i.postimg.cc/3x8SyjDD/2016-curry-playoffs-revise.png

[insidious301]

Look at LeBron’s splits games 1 through 4 and then 5 through 7. Game 5 is when Dray was suspended and then Bogut goes down with a knee injury after Jr Smith takes him out. This is when Iguodala started having back problems too. Lebron was struggling when the Warriors were playing their defensive core. After their 3 best defensive players were neutralized from suspension or injury is when LeBron started going off. He couldn’t score efficiently before that. 2016 was not a win vs “a 73 win team”. Curry wasn’t healthy after tearing his MCL earlier in the playoffs and their 3 best defensive players weren’t available. LeBron fans desperately try to frame that championship as something it was not.

Fair enough, Warriorfan. I think players go into series hurt all the time however. Kobe always played with all sorts of ailments. Same with Wade and Kawhi now. The only thing is they didn't use that as an excuse. Unless you are talking about Bogut to which I would ask, do you really think at that point he makes a legitimate impact? The suspension of Draymond was huge. Won't deny that and I know you believe that swung the series. But the Warriors still had their opportunities in Games 6 and 7. LeBron played lights out and the rest is history.

[warriorfan]

Fair enough, Warriorfan. I think players go into series hurt all the time however. Kobe always played with all sorts of ailments. Same with Wade and Kawhi now. The only thing is they didn't use that as an excuse. Unless you are talking about Bogut to which I would ask, do you really think at that point he makes a legitimate impact? The suspension of Draymond was huge. Won't deny that and I know you believe that swung the series. But the Warriors still had their opportunities in Games 6 and 7. LeBron played lights out and the rest is history.

Players are injured all the time yet we still take it into context when evaluating competition a player beat. If you guys want to rag on MJ’s competition and then gloss over the fact the Warriors were missing all of their defensive studs and the MVP injured his knee earlier in the playoffs. That’s intellectually dishonest.

Let me ask you one question.

Does the team without Draymond a Green, Andrew Bogut, and a not healthy Steph Curry win 73 win games?

And yes, if Andrew Bogut doesn’t get his knee taken out, the Warriors win in 2016. Ezeli played one of the worst games of his life and Varejao was just as bad. If Bogut was able to fill in even 10 minutes for one of those stiffs it would have been the difference maker in game 7.

[Hey Yo]

Lebron averaged 2 more than Kyrie (shared load), while Jordan averaged 20 more than Pippen (carry-job)

Infact, let's compare sidekick performances:

16' Kyrie'...... 27 on 56.4 true shooting
93' Pippen... 21 on 45.9 true shooting


Lol lebron had far more help
Pippen's D farrrrrrrr better than Kyrie's.

LeBron had to anchor the D plus lead in every category in order to win the title.

[Stephonit]

We dont condone lying around here:

https://i.postimg.cc/3x8SyjDD/2016-curry-playoffs-revise.png

Curry scored 11 points in Game 1 and 18 points in Game 2 in the finals. Both games were 15+ point wins for the Warriors. The refs locked Curry up in Game 6 when they fouled him out. The series turned in Game 5 after the Draymond Green suspension. The zebras were the best players for the Cavs.

[insidious301]

Players are injured all the time yet we still take it into context when evaluating competition a player beat. If you guys want to rag on MJ’s competition and then gloss over the fact the Warriors were missing all of their defensive studs and the MVP injured his knee earlier in the playoffs. That’s intellectually dishonest.

Let me ask you one question.

Does the team without Draymond a Green, Andrew Bogut, and a not healthy Steph Curry win 73 win games?

And yes, if Andrew Bogut doesn’t get his knee taken out, the Warriors win in 2016. Ezeli played one of the worst games of his life and Varejao was just as bad. If Bogut was able to fill in even 10 minutes for one of those stiffs it would have been the difference maker in game 7.

Don't see that taken that into account with any of those players. Kobe had broken fingers and excess fluid in his knees, for years. But he played and that is how he was evaluated. Same thing for many other legends. Regarding your claim on the Warriors defensive players. Only Bogut missed more than 1 game in that finals. In the 5 games he did play, Bogut was a net negative on the court. This is why I asked if you thought he makes an impact. Bogut wasn't all that effective in the games he actually played. Moreover, don't think calling the 2016 Warriors great like the 96 Bulls is crapping on them. If anything they would be the best team in the 90s. Maybe the best one.

[Roundball_Rock]

Pippen's D farrrrrrrr better than Kyrie's.

LeBron had to anchor the D plus lead in every category in order to win the title.

Playoff BPM

Pippen playoff BPM 91'-98': 6.5, 6.6, 2.0, 5.6, 5.9, 7.8, 5.1, 5.6 (5.6 avg.)
Kobe playoff BPM 00'-02': 4.2, 6.5, 4.3 (4.9 avg.)
Gasol playoff BPM 08'-11': 4.2, 5.3, 5.9, 1.9 (4.8 avg.)
Wade playoff BPM 11'-14': 8.4, 5.3, 3.1, 0.9 (4.6 avg.)
Irving playoff BPM 15'-18': 5.2, 6.0, 2.2, 2.5 (4.2 avg.)
Worthy playoff BPM 87'-91': 5.0, 4.3, 5.1, 2.2, 0.2 (3.4 avg.)
McHale playoff BPM 84'-88': 1.1, 2.9, 5.1, 1.7, 6.1 (3.3 avg.)
Klay playoff BPM 15'-16': 1.9, 4.2 (3.1 avg.)
Pierce playoff BPM 08'-10': 3.6, 1.7, 3.0 (3.0 avg.)
Dumars playoff BPM 89'-91': 2.0, 1.8, 3.7 (2.4 avg.)

Pippen is the only player whose average is above 5. :pimp:

[warriorfan]

Don't see that taken that into account with any of those players. Kobe had broken fingers and excess fluid in his knees, for years. But he played and that is how he was evaluated. Same thing for many other legends. Regarding your claim on the Warriors defensive players. Only Bogut missed more than 1 game in that finals. In the 5 games he did play, Bogut was a net negative on the court. This is why I asked if you thought he makes an impact. Bogut wasn't all that effective in the games he actually played. Moreover, don't think calling the 2016 Warriors great like the 96 Bulls is crapping on them. If anything they would be the best team in the 90s. Maybe the best one.

You didn’t answer the question.

By the way since it’s not clear if you watched the 2016 Finals or not, but go look at game 7 plus minus for Ezeli and Varejao. If you want to pretend having Andrew Bogut fill those minutes instead of those guys’ WOAT level play wouldn’t of been the difference maker...Then yeah, this conversation is pretty much over.

[insidious301]

You didn’t answer the question.

By the way since it’s not clear if you watched the 2016 Finals or not, but go look at game 7 plus minus for Ezeli and Varejao. If you want to pretend having Andrew Bogut fill those minutes instead of those guys’ WOAT level play wouldn’t of been the difference maker...Then yeah, this conversation is pretty much over.

The question does not address the main theme. The facts are Bogut was a net negative on the court. If you want to waste time expanding on things that never actually happened. More power to you. I value my time though.

[AirBonner]

Love had a concussion and Draymond got suspended. That cancels each other out. 2016 was as fair as you can get

[warriorfan]

The question does not address the main theme. The facts are Bogut was a net negative on the court. If you want to waste time expanding on things that never actually happened. More power to you. I value my time though.

He was less of a negative than Ezeli and Varejao, by a large amount.

Understand?

[AirBonner]

He was less of a negative than Ezeli and Varejao, by a large amount.

Understand?
But the team was better with Bogut off the floor.


Do you understand?

[insidious301]

He was less of a negative than Ezeli and Varejao, by a large amount.

Understand?

Not true, Warriorfan. Varejo was actually a net plus. Don't make things up.

[warriorfan]

Not true, Warriorfan. Varejo was actually a net plus. Don't make things up.

What about game 7? Plus what about eye test. You are going to argue Anderson Varejao was a comparable player to Andrew Bogut in 2016? Please....

You glossed over Ezeli too. :lol

C’mon bro, don’t go down this route. You are turning into Roundball Rock jr over here.

[insidious301]

What about game 7? Plus what about eye test. You are going to argue Anderson Varejao was a comparable player to Andrew Bogut in 2016? Please....

You glossed over Ezeli too. :lol

C’mon bro, don’t go down this route. You are turning into Roundball Rock jr over here.

You clearly lied about Varejao being a net negative. Its okay I don't think of you any less. But if you don't like the facts, or what happened on the court at the time, take it up with the players. Tell them how to perform next time.

[warriorfan]

You clearly lied about Varejao being a net negative. Its okay I don't think of you any less. But if you don't like the facts, or what happened on the court at the time, take it up with the players. Tell them how to perform next time.

Thanks for conceding. You can crawl back into your hole now.

Festus Ezeli.

[insidious301]

Thanks for conceding. You can crawl back into your hole now.

Festus Ezeli.

So whenever you're ready to admit you're a liar...... No rush of course.

[AirBonner]

This chip hurts the most because he knows there is no excuse

[warriorfan]

So whenever you're ready to admit you're a liar...... No rush of course.

Festus Ezeli. Festus Ezeli. Festus Ezeli. Address this or be gone you miserable piece of shit.

[Hey Yo]

Festus Ezeli. Festus Ezeli. Festus Ezeli. Address this or be gone you miserable piece of shit.

You're the one that was caught lying and are clearly pissed, but he's the one that's miserable??

LOL @ you melting

[Bronbron23]

Understood. The Warriors were on the level of 96 Chicago however. Probably wouldn't beat them in a B07 but were also better than all teams the 90s Bulls eliminated. The 2016 ring is definitely more impressive than any of Jordan's titles. Any of Shaq and Kobe's as well. Duncan's 2003 ring could be taken into consideration. That's really it unless you want to go pre-merger.

I disagree that the warriors were on 96 Chicago team. The warriors with kd were though. On face value it seems like the 16 win is better than any of mj's but when you take into account stephs offensive problems in the finals and the fact that hes small and a terrible defender im not sure how great it actually was when compared to some of mj's.

[warriorfan]

You're the one that was caught lying and are clearly pissed, but he's the one that's miserable??

LOL @ you melting

I didn’t know Anderson Varejaos plus minus for the entire series off the top of my head. He was beyond awful in game 7. If Varejao had a positive +/- I suspect it got inflated during an early series blow out win. This is all meaningless, you guys are implying 2016 Anderson Varejao was equal to Andrew Bogut, which is completely laughable. That other poster is too busy tip toeing around and won’t touch Festis Ezeli with a 10 foot poll. He knows he has lost and he has conceded, all that’s left for him is to play dumb and troll. He’s getting added to my ignore list.

[insidious301]

Festus Ezeli. Festus Ezeli. Festus Ezeli. Address this or be gone you miserable piece of shit.

Woah! Why the hostility, warriorfan? It isn't hard to be truthful, but you straight-out refuse to be honest. Your claim included both Ezeli and Varejao, making a dumb point that didn't exist. Once you're ready to accept that, we can move forward amicably.

[Hey Yo]

I didn’t know Anderson Varejaos plus minus for the entire series off the top of my head. He was beyond awful in game 7. If Varejao had a positive +/- I suspect it got inflated during an early series blow out win. This is all meaningless, you guys are implying 2016 Anderson Varejao was equal to Andrew Bogut, which is completely laughable. That other poster is too busy tip toeing around and won’t touch Festis Ezeli with a 10 foot poll. He knows he has lost and he has conceded, all that’s left for him is to play dumb and troll. He’s getting added to my ignore list.

Not hard to check stats before trying to pass them off as fact. If you don't check, then expect to be called out for being wrong.

[insidious301]

I disagree that the warriors were on 96 Chicago team. The warriors with kd were though. On face value it seems like the 16 win is better than any of mj's but when you take into account stephs offensive problems in the finals and the fact that hes small and a terrible defender im not sure how great it actually was when compared to some of mj's.

Best r/s record in NBA history. Best shooters in history. Decent bigmen. Great perimeter defense. Equal Net Rating/Offensive Rating & Better Defensive Rating to/than the 96 Bulls. By the numbers, they were on the same teir as the 1996 bulls. And likely better than anyone Chicago beat in the finals.

[warriorfan]

Not hard to check stats before trying to pass them off as fact. If you don't check, then expect to be called out for being wrong.

I admit the one stat was wrong but the premise stands. Bogut was in another level compared to Varejao. The fact you won’t move on shows you cannot refute the points given. Welcome to ignore.

[insidious301]

I admit the one stat was wrong but the premise stands. Bogut was in another level compared to Varejao. The fact you won’t move on shows you cannot refute the points given. Welcome to ignore.

Not according to the results. The Warriors performed better with Varejao on the court than with Bogut. Just like the On/Off indicates. You can't repeat false information, and expect us to take you seriously.

[warriorfan]

https://i.postimg.cc/d12xCNcy/C15-CD6-F7-27-D1-42-ED-ABD3-69-A9-BBB4-FE51.jpg

[insidious301]

You need to lighten up, warriorfan. Its really not that serious.

[3ball]

We dont condone lying around here:

https://i.postimg.cc/3x8SyjDD/2016-curry-playoffs-revise.png

You think a recently-injured knee can go full boar indefinitely??.. :whatever:

If that was the regular season, Curry would've sat out a few games after Portland series, and then a few more after OKC.. maybe a week after OKC

[FromDowntown]

We dont condone lying around here:

https://i.postimg.cc/3x8SyjDD/2016-curry-playoffs-revise.png

Ouch :lol

[warriorfan]

You think a recently-injured knee can go full boar indefinitely??.. :whatever:

If that was the regular season, Curry would've sat out a few games after Portland series, and then a few more after OKC.. maybe a week after OKC

On Curry’s shortened recovery he returned vs Portland where he was immediacy thrown into a overtime game on the road on where he set the nba record for the most points in an overtime ever. His body wasn’t ready, he was playing on adrenaline and re-aggravating his not fully healed knee injury.

[Bronbron23]

Best r/s record in NBA history. Best shooters in history. Decent bigmen. Great perimeter defense. Equal Net Rating/Offensive Rating & Better Defensive Rating to/than the 96 Bulls. By the numbers, they were on the same teir as the 1996 bulls. And likely better than anyone Chicago beat in the finals.

Honestly the best regular season record dosn't really mean shit when your leader falls off a bit come the finals. They were good though no Dought.

[FromDowntown]

Honestly the best regular season record dosn't really mean shit when your leader falls off a bit come the finals. They were good though no Dought.

Dude just said 73 wins don't mean shit :roll: :roll:

Biggest cuck on the site

[AirBonner]

Dude just said 73 wins don't mean shit :roll: :roll:

Biggest cuck on the site

Bingo

[insidious301]

Honestly the best regular season record dosn't really mean shit when your leader falls off a bit come the finals. They were good though no Dought.

Plenty of guy' play fall off in the finals. Not like Curry was horrible either. 73 wins is 73 wins and their team functioned with just about anyone historically. The Warriors are one of the greatest teams ever. Like the numbers bare out.


Dude just said 73 wins don't mean shit :roll: :roll:

Biggest cuck on the site

To scoff at 73 wins is definitely ignorant. No argument there.

[Bronbron23]

Dude just said 73 wins don't mean shit :roll: :roll:

Biggest cuck on the site

It doesn't mean shit. In this era the regular season and the playoffs are like 2 different games so what you do in the regular season dost really mean anything in relation to the playoffs. Plus is a regular season achievement. You play to win period. Like pip and mj said it dont mean a thing without the ring. Do you think anyone would give a shit about the 72 win bulls team if they lossed?

[FireDavidKahn]

You take Curry and LeBron off their teams and the Warriors absolutely smoke the Cavs.

[Bronbron23]

Plenty of guy' play fall off in the finals. Not like Curry was horrible either. 73 wins is 73 wins and their team functioned with just about anyone historically. The Warriors are one of the greatest teams ever. Like the numbers bare out.



To scoff at 73 wins is definitely ignorant. No argument there.

Sure they do but alot of those guys have other things they can do to impact the game. Like say on defense. Curry on the other hand cant. There are also some greats who maintain or even get better but thats the thing curry is indeed an all-time great. Were not comparing to just anyone. And me saying he falls off is relative to his norm in the regular season which is insane. He's obviously still great come finals time. He does in fact get worse though and this drop off can mean all the difference in the world in a tough series.

And im not scoffing at it. Its a cool achievement after the fact and historically speaking but ultimately its a meaningless achievement in relation to the playoffs and winning. Its only benefit is getting the number 1 seed. Other than that what does it do for you? Its like mvps or dpoys or any regular season award. It means nothing come playoff time. What did the last few MVP's mean in the last couple playoffs? What did being the mvp do for greek when he got walled up? What did it do for curry in 16 when he fell off?

[Axe]

Plenty of guy' play fall off in the finals. Not like Curry was horrible either. 73 wins is 73 wins and their team functioned with just about anyone historically. The Warriors are one of the greatest teams ever. Like the numbers bare out.



To scoff at 73 wins is definitely ignorant. No argument there.
The celtics won a franchise 68 wins in '72-73 season (still stands for the team today), a win behind a then-record of 69 wins set by the '71-72 lakers back in those days yet nobody called it one of the greatest teams ever, most probably because they came up short of appearing in the finals that year.

[Axe]

It doesn't mean shit. In this era the regular season and the playoffs are like 2 different games so what you do in the regular season dost really mean anything in relation to the playoffs. Plus is a regular season achievement. You play to win period. Like pip and mj said it dont mean a thing without the ring. Do you think anyone would give a shit about the 72 win bulls team if they lossed?
They were a win away from being the b2b nba champions but it seems like the 73-win campaign probably exhausted that team already entering the postseason, as evident of the 2016 wcf where they were almost completely embarrassed by the thunder until their slow, fluke comeback.

[LAmbruh]

You take Curry and LeBron off their teams and the Warriors absolutely smoke the Cavs.

only reason Warriors won game 1 and 2 in 2016 is because Cavs bench got outworked and couldn’t buy a bucket


Long story short Cavs outplayed Warriors the entire series despite Loves concussion and Irving’s ankle

[Axe]

The celtics won a franchise 68 wins in '72-73 season (still stands for the team today), a win behind a then-record of 69 wins set by the '71-72 lakers back in those days yet nobody called it one of the greatest teams ever, most probably because they came up short of appearing in the finals that year.
Forgot to mention that otoh, the '85-86 championship celtics team which won less than one game of the franchise rs record at 67 wins with 40 games won at boston garden is considered one of the goat teams from the 80s.

[3ball]

You take Curry and LeBron off their teams and the Warriors absolutely smoke the Cavs.

Huh?

Love won 40 games as #1 option in the West, while Draymond was a joke without his system

And Kyrie is a #1 option.. Klay isn't... kyrie averaged 28 in 2 Finals, while Klay averaged 15 in every year except 19'.. also, Klay can't iso and hit goat game-winner like Kyrie

[insidious301]

Sure they do but alot of those guys have other things they can do to impact the game. Like say on defense. Curry on the other hand cant. There are also some greats who maintain or even get better but thats the thing curry is indeed an all-time great. Were not comparing to just anyone. And me saying he falls off is relative to his norm in the regular season which is insane. He's obviously still great come finals time. He does in fact get worse though and this drop off can mean all the difference in the world in a tough series.

And im not scoffing at it. Its a cool achievement after the fact and historically speaking but ultimately its a meaningless achievement in relation to the playoffs and winning. Its only benefit is getting the number 1 seed. Other than that what does it do for you? Its like mvps or dpoys or any regular season award. It means nothing come playoff time. What did the last few MVP's mean in the last couple playoffs? What did being the mvp do for greek when he got walled up? What did it do for curry in 16 when he fell off?

Steph does too. He averages 7 assist a game give or take. I agree that Curry can be shutdown easier, but again it isn't like he was horrible. LeBron was just better. He had a GOAT-like finals because he is a GOAT-like phenom. Curry simply doesn't have that range of impact, so if those are the standards then we need to scale it back. Still dont see how that makes 73 games meaningless. In relation to anything. By that logic all regular-season numbers and MVPs should be irrelevant. Nobody actually thinks that though. And that's because you need to be good in the regular-season to qualify for the playoffs. Now if you're saying the playoffs are more imporant, no argument there. Stats should be weighed differently just as long as there is an appropriate sample. But to dismiss one or the other is myopic.

[FireDavidKahn]

only reason Warriors won game 1 and 2 in 2016 is because Cavs bench got outworked and couldn’t buy a bucket


Long story short Cavs outplayed Warriors the entire series despite Loves concussion and Irving’s ankle

LeKing :bowdown:

[Roundball_Rock]

Basically everyone falls off in the PO relative to the RS. It makes sense: better teams=better defenses on average and teams game plan for you day in, day out during a series. The question is the extent of the decline.

[3ball]

Basically everyone falls off in the PO relative to the RS.


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Not true at all.. Kyrie and many others didn't fall off

Only curry and lesser players do

If everyone knew in advance that Kyrie would drastically outplay curry, no one would be surprised that the Cavs won.. infact, they'd be surprised it took 7 games... (We know it only took 7 because lebron wet bed for the first 4)