View Full Version : What does it say about the MVP award when...
Stephonit
08-13-2020, 02:57 AM
...you have the two MVPs from just 2 and 3 years ago on the same team and they aren't even the favorites to win in the first round?
FourthTenor
08-13-2020, 03:09 AM
Says it was earned not given, for Lebron.
Given not earned, for everyone else.
That they're very lucky to be not berthless and not playing for the team with the worst record in this season after they were the top seed in the west last year.
3ball
08-13-2020, 03:14 AM
Giannis is a DPOY candidate, whereas Lebron's teammate (AD) provides that value for the Lakers, so Lebron isn't providing the same value as Giannis and shouldn't be an MVP candidate
The media simply created a fake debate to prop up lebron - this type of "caught red-handed" examples are more evidence that he isn't top 10 all-time
Lebron23
08-13-2020, 03:18 AM
Giannis is a DPOY candidate, whereas Lebron's teammate (AD) provides that value for the Lakers, so Lebron isn't providing the same value as Giannis and shouldn't be an MVP candidate
So the media has created a fake debate to prop up lebron - this type of "caught red-handed" examples are more evidence that he isn't top 10 all-time
Meltdown
3ball
08-13-2020, 03:20 AM
Meltdown
Giannis is a DPOY candidate, whereas Lebron's teammate (AD) provides that value for the Lakers
so Lebron isn't providing the same value as Giannis and shouldn't be an MVP candidate
HOW AM I WRONG
and he's like 80th in scoring without DPOY consideration = not. MVP caliber
Gray GOAT
08-13-2020, 03:28 AM
Giannis is a DPOY candidate, whereas Lebron's teammate (AD) provides that value for the Lakers, so Lebron isn't providing the same value as Giannis and shouldn't be an MVP candidate
The media simply created a fake debate to prop up lebron - this type of "caught red-handed" examples are more evidence that he isn't top 10 all-time
That would make you devoting your life to him even more pathetic. Nice going, champ.
FourthTenor
08-13-2020, 03:28 AM
Giannis is a DPOY candidate, whereas Lebron's teammate (AD) provides that value for the Lakers
so Lebron isn't providing the same value as Giannis and shouldn't be an MVP candidate
HOW AM I WRONG
and he's like 80th in scoring without DPOY consideration = not. MVP caliber
Meltdown
The two mvps mentioned in the op above have been to at least 10 different playoffs so far. Curry? Not so much. But one of his former teammates (one belonging to a team that almost put them in the ropes during the 2016 wcf) ultimately joined him and helped oakland secure a finals berth in the last 3 years, from 2017-19.
Giannis is a DPOY candidate, whereas Lebron's teammate (AD) provides that value for the Lakers
so Lebron isn't providing the same value as Giannis and shouldn't be an MVP candidate
HOW AM I WRONG
and he's like 80th in scoring without DPOY consideration = not. MVP caliber
Poor 3ball getting harassed by bran stan dups
3ball
08-13-2020, 03:32 AM
Poor 3ball getting harassed by bran stan dups
It's a fake debate
Giannis deserves it and he's far better than LeFat.. ever was
FourthTenor
08-13-2020, 03:35 AM
It's a fake debate
Giannis deserves it and he's far better than LeFat.. ever was
LeFatDICK you mean :milton
No homo.
Stephonit
08-13-2020, 03:37 AM
The two mvps mentioned in the op above have been to at least 10 different playoffs so far. Curry? Not so much. But one of his former teammates (one belonging to a team that almost put them in the ropes during the 2016 wcf) ultimately joined him and helped oakland secure a finals berth in the last 3 years, from 2017-19.
Why do you even bother coming up with this post? Why bring up Curry? Why compare their playoffs appearances? Especially when Curry may have played more playoffs rounds regardless than either one, and definitely made more finals and won more rings multiple times over?
It's a fake debate
Giannis deserves it and he's far better than LeFat.. ever was
Bran is going to be pippenesque this year and let ad spearhead for their team. Well, i guess.
Why do you even bother coming up with this post? Why bring up Curry? Why compare their playoffs appearances? Especially when Curry may have played more playoffs rounds regardless than either one, and definitely made more finals and won more rings multiple times over?
:oldlol:
Probably to prove that he's not the best player in the planet you suggest him to be?
LoneyROY7
08-13-2020, 03:41 AM
...you have the two MVPs from just 2 and 3 years ago on the same team and they aren't even the favorites to win in the first round?
Are you saying OKC are the favorites in the series?
I can almost guarantee you oddsmakers disagree.
Stephonit
08-13-2020, 03:56 AM
:oldlol:
Probably to prove that he's not the best player in the planet you suggest him to be?
If that's your intention you failed pretty miserably.
Are you saying OKC are the favorites in the series?
I can almost guarantee you oddsmakers disagree.
Admittedly probably an exaggeration but that's what the likely seeding at the time this thread was created would suggest.
Smoke117
08-13-2020, 03:58 AM
It says nothing. Derrick Rose was gifted an MVP when he wasn't even a top five player in the league.
AlternativeAcc.
08-13-2020, 04:00 AM
Giannis is a DPOY candidate, whereas Lebron's teammate (AD) provides that value for the Lakers
so Lebron isn't providing the same value as Giannis and shouldn't be an MVP candidate
HOW AM I WRONG
and he's like 80th in scoring without DPOY consideration = not. MVP caliber
Bucks 2nd, 3rd, 4th option = 48ppg, 10 assists
Lakers 2nd, 3rd, 4th option = 48ppg, 5 assists
Bucks w/o gianus = 5-3
Lakers w/o legod = 2-2
LeBron proven track record of impact in reg season and post-season
Ganus proven track record of choker, and team dominating without him in reg season
Not close
If that's your intention you failed pretty miserably.
Okay if you say so, my friend...
Rudeboy3
08-13-2020, 08:29 AM
Bucks 2nd, 3rd, 4th option = 48ppg, 10 assists
Lakers 2nd, 3rd, 4th option = 48ppg, 5 assists
Bucks w/o gianus = 5-3
Lakers w/o legod = 2-2
LeBron proven track record of impact in reg season and post-season
Ganus proven track record of choker, and team dominating without him in reg season
Not close
lol what? the bucks are 5-5- without giannis this season and those 5 wins came early in the season against teams below 500, in general, the bucks have a negative record without Giannis since bud took over. This whole the bucks would be a top 3-4 team in the eats without Giannis is a flat out delusional lie, they can't do shit without him, they be competing as the 7th or 8th seed
Shogon
08-13-2020, 08:31 AM
...you have the two MVPs from just 2 and 3 years ago on the same team and they aren't even the favorites to win in the first round?
Sometimes they pick the right guy, but they pick the wrong guy enough that it's clearly a joke.
The MVP award has been a long running joke for anyone with a functioning brain that can adhere to a consistent line of thought, which is way too much to ask of most people.
Your expectations are too high. So are mine. I'm constantly trying to curb them... and failing.
Let me know if you figure it out.
Whoah10115
08-13-2020, 08:52 AM
Giannis is a DPOY candidate, whereas Lebron's teammate (AD) provides that value for the Lakers, so Lebron isn't providing the same value as Giannis and shouldn't be an MVP candidate
The media simply created a fake debate to prop up lebron - this type of "caught red-handed" examples are more evidence that he isn't top 10 all-time
Maybe.
But he's talking about the Rockets, so....yeah, just have a milkshake and relax.
Roundball_Rock
08-13-2020, 11:11 AM
They will be favored in the first round against OKC.
The Rockets are a wild card with their roster construction (especially the "no center" experiment). They have a high ceiling but a low floor. Their experiment doesn't negate the greatness of Harden and prime Westbrook. Why do they get so much disrespect?
17' Westbrook was good enough to have OKC at exactly the same level they were in 18' when OKC added George.
tpols
08-13-2020, 11:18 AM
MVP is just a storyline award like most. It doesn't actually tell you at all who the best player is.
It also overvalues one man army types that don't allow for any ball movement and try to win through forceful quarterbacking. Sure it works in the regular season but collapses in the playoffs time and time again. And if you combine two one man army guys on one team ie Westbrook and Harden, you get a ton of diminishing returns that put the ceiling of the team at a level much lower than that of teams that also have star power, but actually run a ball sharing system.
tpols
08-13-2020, 11:27 AM
Look at it this way... The Rockets had a better winning % in 2017 when Harden was one man army'ing it best teammate being a 16 ppg unproven Eric Gordon, than they do with a 27/8/7 Westbrook. That s because you can take Russell's 22 FGA's a game and redistribute them to Hardens 3 pt shooters and achieve an even higher per possession scoring rate, leading to a better winning % for the season.
AlternativeAcc.
08-14-2020, 03:40 AM
lol what? the bucks are 5-5- without giannis this season and those 5 wins came early in the season against teams below 500, in general, the bucks have a negative record without Giannis since bud took over. This whole the bucks would be a top 3-4 team in the eats without Giannis is a flat out delusional lie, they can't do shit without him, they be competing as the 7th or 8th seed
Just shut up man
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