Google "hostile architecture" when you get a moment and let me know what you think.

[Kblaze8855]

The anti homeless spikes under bridges. The benches built with slopes and bars so you cant sleep. Ledges with spikes so you cant lean. Bus stops with poles to lean on so people dont rest for too long.

While acknowledging that you dont want places where 40 people are living in squalor and causing litter and safety issues in public view....it still feels ****ed up.


On a recent trip to New Orleans I saw what must have been hundreds of people under bridges around the city. Not all homeless. Sometimes a car would pull up and someone clearly not homeless would hop out and chill for a while. I saw the Mardi Gras indians, horses, and cookouts under the bridges...and at night mattresses would spring up and you realize how many of those people had to live there. Its worse in bigger cities obviously. You cant pack 10 million people into a small area without a gang of homeless. La has 25 times the people in its metro population than the entire state of Wyoming. Cant avoid homeless people when they congregate to similar spots. You cant hide them really. I dont imagine enough shelters exist for the mentally stable and non addict ones even.

So im not saying "Give everyone a house" when its probably short term impossible(long term America could handle it but wont choose to).

Im saying....look at those spikes under bridges. What do you do if you have nowhere to go and its raining?

I dont have an answer but gotdamn.....is that it?

Is that a good answer from your point of view?

[Shogon]

There is no answer that can be humanely enacted by government but if you let it go unchecked you end up with an absolute shit hole that nobody, including you, wants to live in.

[LAmbruh]

There is no answer that can be humanely enacted by government but if you let it go unchecked you end up with an absolute shit hole that nobody, including you, wants to live in.

How did you manage to just type so much while saying absolutely nothing?

[Kblaze8855]

You have to assume there is a tipping point but some of the most populous cities in the country are full of millionaires and billionaires and enough middle-class people so rent is through the roof while they have entire communities and streets lined with tents. I don’t know if you drive out your population by being a little less of a dick than this. Both sides of the aisle will cry over homeless vets but how many must get caught up in this?

We really putting spikes on the ground where someone who has no roof goes to get out of the weather. If you Google it and check the articles some towns caught doing it get shamed and remove them when the pictures get out.

But what do you do?

If someone with Bezos/Gates money started building free hostels would there even be room enough for them all in the land available to use?

[Stephonit]

You can tell a lot about a society from how they treat the weakest and most vulnerable in their number. Remember the societies of today are the richest in human history. The government spends around $40000 a year for each prison inmate. Land prices? Largely artificial constructs. One could buy acres of land in another country for what you need to pay for an apartment in some cities. It's rather silly if you think about it that government cannot guarantee a roof over every citizen's head.

[Shogon]

You have to assume there is a tipping point but some of the most populous cities in the country are full of millionaires and billionaires and enough middle-class people so rent is through the roof while they have entire communities and streets lined with tents. I don’t know if you drive out your population by being a little less of a dick than this. Both sides of the aisle will cry over homeless vets but how many must get caught up in this?

We really putting spikes on the ground where someone who has no roof goes to get out of the weather. If you Google it and check the articles some towns caught doing it get shamed and remove them when the pictures get out.

But what do you do?

If someone with Bezos/Gates money started building free hostels would there even be room enough for them all in the land available to use?

Homeless vets that are homeless because they've been ****ed up by war and don't know how to function in society is one thing... if the government forced them to fight, the government should take care of them.

However, and I don't know the stats so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing the vast majority of homeless people in... let's say... Los Angeles... aren't vets.

Someone like Gates/Bezos SHOULD be the ones doing that type of thing because they can do it without feeling it... or people who want to voluntarily contribute. Rolling it into the tax base for the entire middle class to have to contribute towards is just another big government program that would get mismanaged and end up wasteful and stupid.

Every single one of those cases of homelessness is obviously unique, but why should everyone be forced to take care of other people's bad decisions?

While he was mostly right and not 100% right, my grandfather used to tell me while I was growing up... you see that homeless person over there? That is someone that has pissed off every single person that cares about them.

[Shogon]

You can tell a lot about a society from how they treat the weakest and most vulnerable in their number. Remember the societies of today are the richest in human history. The government spends around $40000 a year for each prison inmate. Land prices? Largely artificial constructs. One could buy acres of land in another country for what you need to pay for an apartment in some cities. It's rather silly if you think about it that government cannot guarantee a roof over every citizen's head.

Land prices aren't "artificial constructs." What?

Lol.

They're a result of two things... 1) the very real concept of supply & demand... and 2) your central bank(the federal reserve in the case of the US) ceaselessly printing away your purchasing power/the value of your currency.

[warriorfan]

The anti homeless spikes under bridges. The benches built with slopes and bars so you cant sleep. Ledges with spikes so you cant lean. Bus stops with poles to lean on so people dont rest for too long.

While acknowledging that you dont want places where 40 people are living in squalor and causing litter and safety issues in public view....it still feels ****ed up.


On a recent trip to New Orleans I saw what must have been hundreds of people under bridges around the city. Not all homeless. Sometimes a car would pull up and someone clearly not homeless would hop out and chill for a while. I saw the Mardi Gras indians, horses, and cookouts under the bridges...and at night mattresses would spring up and you realize how many of those people had to live there. Its worse in bigger cities obviously. You cant pack 10 million people into a small area without a gang of homeless. La has 25 times the people in its metro population than the entire state of Wyoming. Cant avoid homeless people when they congregate to similar spots. You cant hide them really. I dont imagine enough shelters exist for the mentally stable and non addict ones even.

So im not saying "Give everyone a house" when its probably short term impossible(long term America could handle it but wont choose to).

Im saying....look at those spikes under bridges. What do you do if you have nowhere to go and its raining?

I dont have an answer but gotdamn.....is that it?

Is that a good answer from your point of view?

What if you own a business or live right next to the bridge where the homeless are trying to set up some sort of shantytown? You have to constantly worry about these guys hanging around, disturbing patrons, panhandling, stealing, doing drugs, walking around naked talking to invisible people, vandalizing, shitting everywhere, etc etc. What if you have small children? You want your kids exposed to that or be endangered constantly?

It’s not okay and it’s not a long term viable solution to allow these guys to sleep under bridges while they do drugs and raise hell 24/7. I agree something needs to be done but having huge droves of homeless wandering around sleeping in every unoccupied nook and cranny isn’t it.

The alternative is to find people who will take in homeless people off the street...Or raise millions upon millions upon millions to build them little houses and give them drug counciling, mental health treatment, pay for their food and water and electric bill...every month...for life.

Only if there was some way to make them all disappear.......

[Kblaze8855]

What if you own a business or live right next to the bridge where the homeless are trying to set up some sort of shantytown? You have to constantly worry about these guys hanging around, disturbing patrons, panhandling, stealing, doing drugs, walking around naked talking to invisible people, vandalizing, shitting everywhere, etc etc. What if you have small children? You want your kids exposed to that or be endangered constantly?

It’s not okay and it’s not a long term viable solution to allow these guys to sleep under bridges while they do drugs and raise hell 24/7. I agree something needs to be done but having huge droves of homeless wandering around sleeping in every unoccupied nook and cranny isn’t it.

The alternative is to find people who will take in homeless people off the street...Or raise millions upon millions upon millions to build them little houses and give them drug counciling, mental health treatment, pay for their food and water and electric bill...every month...for life.

Only if there was some way to make them all disappear.......


Let me know if I’m thinking of someone else but....

Arent you one of the Thanos types in favor of eliminating as many humans as possible for the greater good?

[Shogon]

Let me know if I’m thinking of someone else but....

Arent you one of the Thanos types in favor of eliminating as many humans as possible for the greater good?

It's going to happen anyways through the rapid expansion of technology.

Humans will no longer be needed nearly as much. It's already happening, it's just not yet readily apparent.

Thanos was right, by the way. He might not have articulated it exactly as such, but there is a set number, which is currently unknowable but it does indeed exist, in which people can live in symbiosis with their resources and surroundings. We have surpassed it. Technology will "fix it", I assure you.

[warriorfan]

Let me know if I’m thinking of someone else but....

Arent you one of the Thanos types in favor of eliminating as many humans as possible for the greater good?

No. But you gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet.

Go hit up Jeff benzos and write him a nice letter for a few bil so all the homeless can drink liquor and smoke crack under a nice roof for the rest of their life and see what he thinks.

[Shogon]

No. But you gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet.

Go hit up Jeff benzos and write him a nice letter for a few bil so all the homeless can drink liquor and smoke crack under a nice roof for the rest of their life and see what he thinks.

:oldlol:

[Stephonit]

Land prices aren't "artificial constructs." What?

Lol.

They're a result of two things... 1) the very real concept of supply & demand... and 2) your central bank(the federal reserve in the case of the US) ceaselessly printing away your purchasing power/the value of your currency.

On one hand supply and demand is real and in another one plot of land in one place functions largely the same as another somewhere else. While land in a major city offers significant real benefits in comparison to land elsewhere, from another perspective it makes little sense. So many people's lives revolve around paying rent or making their mortgage payment that one has to wonder if it is really that productive and beneficial to society and why more effort isn't being put into mitigating the problem.

[Shogon]

On one hand supply and demand is real and in another one plot of land in one place functions largely the same as another somewhere else. While land in a major city offers significant real benefits in comparison to land elsewhere, from another perspective it makes little sense. So many people's lives revolve around paying rent or making their mortgage payment that one has to wonder if it is really that productive and beneficial to society and why more effort isn't being put into mitigating the problem.

You're operating under the assumption that every physical Earth location, man-made infrastructure aside for a moment, is basically the same. That's... incredibly false.

Resources vary, terrain varies... I mean... lol... ??? What am I missing here? These are not man made things in 99.99999%+ of instances. Yes, some arbitrary and meaningless things are contributing factors to the eventual size of certain cities, but there is a reason that people tend to flock towards the coasts and coastal cities or cities that are 'relatively' close to the coasts.



So what, you think everyone should just be able to live for free? I already see where this rabbit hole is going. What your apparent worldview glosses over is the fact that human beings are all selfish and they're all narcissists. Now granted, I mean that on a very large spectrum, but they are nonetheless. So where's the motivation for all of these human beings, that are programmed from before birth(mind you) to operate in self interest, to continue working if you're just going to take away their money and give it to everyone else? What's their motivation to work for free? What's their motivation to work and to produce and to achieve if you're going to take it all away? And what's the motivation of someone who just wants to skate by to do anything if you're going to give them free everything?

Like what are we even saying?

You're living in a fantasy utopia that does not exist and will not exist.

[Kblaze8855]

No. But you gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet.

Go hit up Jeff benzos and write him a nice letter for a few bil so all the homeless can drink liquor and smoke crack under a nice roof for the rest of their life and see what he thinks.

Did I not just say that even if those types wanted to fix it they may not be able to?

[iamgine]

Hostile architecture are perfectly fine so poor/homeless people don't linger and cause problems for the city. There is nothing wrong with that at all. I was in San Francisco a year ago and it's so horrible. I don't know how the people don't riot and kick out the mayor/governor. Every single tourists I met complained about it and no doubt will tell their friends not to go.

There needs to be areas designed for poor people away from richer areas. Build subsidized apartments, shelters, do heavy policing and spend into education there. Pay public workers (police/teachers) more depending on supply/demand.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I am against things like spikes. Kids and animals could hey hurry with that kind of stuff.

[Stephonit]

You're operating under the assumption that every physical Earth location, man-made infrastructure aside for a moment, is basically the same. That's... incredibly false.

Resources vary, terrain varies... I mean... lol... ??? What am I missing here? These are not man made things in 99.99999%+ of instances. Yes, some arbitrary and meaningless things are contributing factors to the eventual size of certain cities, but there is a reason that people tend to flock towards the coasts and coastal cities or cities that are 'relatively' close to the coasts.



So what, you think everyone should just be able to live for free? I already see where this rabbit hole is going. What your apparent worldview glosses over is the fact that human beings are all selfish and they're all narcissists. Now granted, I mean that on a very large spectrum, but they are nonetheless. So where's the motivation for all of these human beings, that are programmed from before birth(mind you) to operate in self interest, to continue working if you're just going to take away their money and give it to everyone else? What's their motivation to work for free? What's their motivation to work and to produce and to achieve if you're going to take it all away? And what's the motivation of someone who just wants to skate by to do anything if you're going to give them free everything?

Like what are we even saying?

You're living in a fantasy utopia that does not exist and will not exist.

There are certain basic needs that every person requires. Food, shelter and clothing are basics. There is no reason for these to be luxurious or enviable but there is also no reason the richest society in history cannot provide them. This is very doable. That they are not provided is simply a choice. Why would people be motivated to work then? To get better. Are you settling for public transportation if you can get a car? Are you content never going on a vacation? There are an endless number of things to motivate people to work. Having the fear of being thrown out onto the streets being the main motivator though is counterproductive given the mental stress and day-to-day perspective weighing people down.

[Shogon]

There are certain basic needs that every person requires. Food, shelter and clothing are basics. There is no reason for these to be luxurious or enviable but there is also no reason the richest society in history cannot provide them. This is very doable. That they are not provided is simply a choice. Why would people be motivated to work then? To get better. Are you settling for public transportation if you can get a car? Are you content never going on a vacation? There are an endless number of things to motivate people to work. Having the fear of being thrown out onto the streets being the main motivator though is counterproductive given the mental stress and day-to-day perspective weighing people down.

Cool, sign me up for the free shelter, food and clothing where I don't have to do anything except maybe perhaps earning just enough for my own chosen leisurely activities.

I'll take it!

[warriorfan]

Did I not just say that even if those types wanted to fix it they may not be able to?


There are certain basic needs that every person requires. Food, shelter and clothing are basics. There is no reason for these to be luxurious or enviable but there is also no reason the richest society in history cannot provide them. This is very doable. That they are not provided is simply a choice. Why would people be motivated to work then? To get better. Are you settling for public transportation if you can get a car? Are you content never going on a vacation? There are an endless number of things to motivate people to work. Having the fear of being thrown out onto the streets being the main motivator though is counterproductive given the mental stress and day-to-day perspective weighing people down.

It’s not about the how. It’s about the why? Or the more importantly? Why don’t you?

You guys can dive into the problem head first and make a real impact today. You can spend your weekends building these guys permanent houses, go vegetarian and give all the meat you normally would of ate to the homeless, even let one of them crash indefinitely in your backyard or garage. But you don’t.

And it’s okay.

Say it with me. It’s okay.

You guys see these homeless people, don’t do anything about it, and then feel bad about yourself and try to make it an issue about someone else needs to take care of it. It’s all about you! This whole issue is about making yourselves feel better about feeling like a selfish piece of shit that doesn’t do anything about the problem. A thing you shouldn’t actually feel bad about in the first place. Get over it. **** them. Move on and live your lives.

[Shogon]

It’s not about the how. It’s about the why? Or the more importantly? Why don’t you?

You guys can dive into the problem head first and make a real impact today. You can spend your weekends building these guys permanent houses, go vegetarian and give all the meat you normally would of ate to the homeless, even let one of them crash indefinitely in your backyard or garage. But you don’t.

And it’s okay.

Say it with me. It’s okay.

You guys see these homeless people, don’t do anything about it, and then feel bad about yourself and try to make it an issue about someone else needs to take care of it. It’s all about you! This whole issue is about making yourselves feel better about feeling like a selfish piece of shit that doesn’t do anything about the problem. A thing you shouldn’t actually feel bad about in the first place. Get over it. **** them. Move on and live your lives.

:applause:

[Kblaze8855]

It’s not about the how. It’s about the why? Or the more importantly? Why don’t you?

You guys can dive into the problem head first and make a real impact today. You can spend your weekends building these guys permanent houses, go vegetarian and give all the meat you normally would of ate to the homeless, even let one of them crash indefinitely in your backyard or garage. But you don’t.

And it’s okay.

Say it with me. It’s okay.

You guys see these homeless people, don’t do anything about it, and then feel bad about yourself and try to make it an issue about someone else needs to take care of it. It’s all about you! This whole issue is about making yourselves feel better about feeling like a selfish piece of shit that doesn’t do anything about the problem. A thing you shouldn’t actually feel bad about in the first place. Get over it. **** them. Move on and live your lives.

We have done the “Unless you destroy your life to help you shouldn’t acknowledge any problems” thing on a dozen issues over the years but I don’t think it applies here and I’ll tell you why.....


I never said you or anyone else was supposed to fix American poverty. I asked if putting spikes on the ground where someone with no home sleeps feels like the right way to go about it.

Obviously someone with a population control point of view isn’t the one to ask such a thing but in my original post I said that people with hundreds of billions may not even be able to fix it so why you are talking to me about how I need to fix it myself is beyond me.

You are countering an argument I never made to begin with.

[warriorfan]

We have done the “Unless you destroy your life to help you shouldn’t acknowledge any problems” thing on a dozen issues over the years but I don’t think it applies here and I’ll tell you why.....


I never said you or anyone else was supposed to fix American poverty. I asked if putting spikes on the ground where someone with no home sleeps feels like the right way to go about it.

Obviously someone with a population control point of view isn’t the one to ask such a thing but in my original post I said that people with hundreds of billions may not even be able to fix it so why you are talking to me about how I need to fix it myself is beyond me.

You are countering an argument I never made to begin with.

And my first post was about if you lived right next door to the bridge you would be all about the spikes and more. And wouldn’t be too keen to having a project to build a homeless housing project across your street. Which circled back around to my last post.

It’s okay.

[Kblaze8855]

Nah I’m not that guy. Maybe because of where I’m from and later lived but I don’t really fear poor people like that. My grandma used to take in homeless people some winters. Not like by the boatload but she would have us get people who snuck into her barn and bring them in when it was cold. She was a Sunday school teacher who was just like that. Besides you aren’t actually getting rid of them anyway. Just moving them slightly to....where?

By some other persons neighborhood? Your city still has the people...just in a different spot. What good is really done?

[warriorfan]

Nah I’m not that guy. Maybe because of where I’m from and later lived but I don’t really fear poor people like that. My grandma used to take in homeless people some winters. Not like by the boatload but she would have us get people who snuck into her barn and bring them in when it was cold. She was a Sunday school teacher who was just like that. Besides you aren’t actually getting rid of them anyway. Just moving them slightly to....where?

By some other persons neighborhood? Your city still has the people...just in a different spot. What good is really done?

You are falsely portraying most homeless people as someone who just lost their job and missed rent and now are there on the streets. We both know it’s not like that. Like someone said before, they are there for a reason. 90% of the time it’s some sort of mental health and drug related problem. A lot of these people refuse treatment. They don’t want to live inside and take medication. They want to roam around on the streets without clothes on and ramble a made up language to people that are not there. At some point it becomes a personal choice. The other 10% of the time the person is a real mother ****er. Or they were able to hustle you otherwise for 5 mins as they got 10 bucks out of you.

I don’t think you can get cred for something a family member did multiple generations ago either.

[Kblaze8855]

Show I me where I portrayed homeless people as anything. Did you notice any “It could be you or me” points being made?

Who are you arguing against? A sad charity commercial you saw once? I’m not sure I’ve made a single point you’re arguing against.

[warriorfan]

Show I me where I portrayed homeless people as anything. Did you notice any “It could be you or me” points being made?

Who are you arguing against? A sad charity commercial you saw once? I’m not sure I’ve made a single point you’re arguing against.

You haven’t really made any point. Which was my point. You basically have said damn those spikes are really sad, someone should really figure out how to solve that problem and pay for it all...but not me.

[Kblaze8855]

I literally ended the OP with:


“I dont have an answer but gotdamn.....is that it?

Is that a good answer from your point of view?”



And you take my asking you that to be saying....”Hey ISH....solve homelessness without costing me anything?”

Are we only supposed to acknowledge world issues we can solve personally or what?

[warriorfan]

I literally ended the OP with:


“I dont have an answer but gotdamn.....is that it?

Is that a good answer from your point of view?”



And you take my asking you that to be saying....”Hey ISH....solve homelessness without costing me anything?”

Are we only supposed to acknowledge world issues we can solve personally or what?

It was heavily implied. Or at least that’s what I got from it. The answer is there isn’t a way to solve it because of all the reasons above. It’s either let them do their thing or pay their way indefinitely. You don’t want to do it. I don’t want to do it. No one wants to do it. So it won’t be done. That’s about it.

[Shogon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpRRVS1ci40

[warriorfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpRRVS1ci40

I am not attacking Blaze and I don’t blame him. I agree with him it is a problem. But like I said before, there is no real viable solution.

[Shogon]

I am not attacking Blaze and I don’t blame him. I agree with him it is a problem. But like I said before, there is no real viable solution.

LOL.

I didn't take it you were, and I wasn't either.

I just wanted to post that video for the hell of it, there is no hidden meaning here.

[warriorfan]

LOL.

I didn't take it you were, and I wasn't either.

I just wanted to post that video for the hell of it, there is no hidden meaning here.

:lol I saw that and thought about it for a second, but I don’t think Blaze is really like that. I don’t think he has ever banned me for not agreeing with him.

[Kblaze8855]

My issue isn’t not wanting it done it’s not knowing what to do. Skyscraper free housing?

They would be the worst places to live in America inside 6 months.

You would have to like....open up unused dome stadiums and let them in and ban cameras so the carnage inside wouldn’t depress people.

[Shogon]

My issue isn’t not wanting it done it’s not knowing what to do. Skyscraper free housing?

They would be the worst places to live in America inside 6 months.

You would have to like....open up unused dome stadiums and let them in and ban cameras so the carnage inside wouldn’t depress people.

This video is relevant.


https://youtu.be/hWB6O7xdH4g?t=42

[Shogon]

https://i.postimg.cc/sxg4W50Q/1597333473756.png

[Stephonit]

It’s not about the how. It’s about the why? Or the more importantly? Why don’t you?

You guys can dive into the problem head first and make a real impact today. You can spend your weekends building these guys permanent houses, go vegetarian and give all the meat you normally would of ate to the homeless, even let one of them crash indefinitely in your backyard or garage. But you don’t.

And it’s okay.

Say it with me. It’s okay.

You guys see these homeless people, don’t do anything about it, and then feel bad about yourself and try to make it an issue about someone else needs to take care of it. It’s all about you! This whole issue is about making yourselves feel better about feeling like a selfish piece of shit that doesn’t do anything about the problem. A thing you shouldn’t actually feel bad about in the first place. Get over it. **** them. Move on and live your lives.

Why? Because money is already being burned on temporary solutions that can be diverted to better more permanent ones. Why the government and not you or me? Because ordinary people cannot address the scale of the problem individually in the same way even billionaire philanthropists still need to leverage their donations alongside institutions to have noticeable effect in their endeavors.

[Shogon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hlN2nel5HI

[FourthTenor]

These convos are pointless. Theres too many Stephonits around now.

Next time special interests wanna cram illegal, unconstitutional laws down our throat, “hostile architecture” will be one of the first things they outlaw to distract and appease the beta boys like him.

It is what it is. Merica gon get worse before it gets better. If it gets better..

Make plans or bite the dust.

[Shogon]

These convos are pointless. Theres too many Stephonits around now.

Next time special interests wanna cram illegal, unconstitutional laws down our throat, “hostile architecture” will be one of the first things they outlaw to distract and appease the beta boys like him.

It is what it is. Merica gon get worse before it gets better. If it gets better..

Make plans or bite the dust.

I agree with this post but you aren't making plans and don't have any countries in mind. In other words, you're just fear mongering for the sake of it.

I actually do believe it's all going to collapse and I'm ready to go on a moment's notice... into the wilderness.

[FourthTenor]

I agree with this post but you aren't making plans and don't have any countries in mind. In other words, you're just fear mongering for the sake of it.

I actually do believe it's all going to collapse and I'm ready to go on a moment's notice... into the wilderness.


:roll:

What the **** do you know about what I’m doing?? :lol

Second, it’s not going to just collapse. That would require a bunch of the middle class leaving all at once. That isnt gonna happen. A few people like me are going to leave for nicer places. More people are going to just sit tight, nice and complacent, like frogs in warming water, and apparently just wait around until the last moment when it’s time to run into the wilderness??

Lol. Solid plan.

[Shogon]

:roll:

What the **** do you know about what I’m doing?? :lol

Second, it’s not going to just collapse. That would require a bunch of the middle class leaving all at once. That isnt gonna happen. A few people like me are going to leave for nicer places. More people are going to just sit tight, nice and complacent, like frogs in warming water, and apparently just wait around until the last moment when it’s time to run into the wilderness??

Lol. Solid plan.

Well, I guess I don't know what you're doing, but when I asked you in the other thread you just gave some type of vague response that indicated you hadn't picked a landing spot which indicates that you don't have a plan.

Also, no, there probably won't just be some "random day" where it all happens. It'll likely be a slow grind down, but shit will get bad enough to the point where you just know. Well, I'll know. You may not. But we're not there yet and we're not anywhere close without a dollar crisis, which admittedly, that particular event actually could happen quickly and is largely unpredictable in terms of exact timeline.

[Shogon]

I'd also like to add that when the dollar fails, and it will, there won't be any country to flee to. Everything is too interconnected and the world is too entangled with the dollar for there to be anywhere to go that isn't also suffering a major crisis as a result. There isn't just some magic country out there.

[FourthTenor]

Well, I guess I don't know what you're doing, but when I asked you in the other thread you just gave some type of vague response that indicated you hadn't picked a landing spot which indicates that you don't have a plan.

Also, no, there probably won't just be some "random day" where it all happens. It'll likely be a slow grind down, but shit will get bad enough to the point where you just know. Well, I'll know. You may not. But we're not there yet and we're not anywhere close without a dollar crisis, which admittedly, that particular event actually could happen quickly and is largely unpredictable in terms of exact timeline.


:lol

My guy, I know exactly where Im goin. But Im not mentioning it til I get there. Even then I may not. Why should I?

But first I gotta collect up all this free unemployment cheddar through the end of the year :pimp:

[FourthTenor]

I'd also like to add that when the dollar fails, and it will, there won't be any country to flee to. Everything is too interconnected and the world is too entangled with the dollar for there to be anywhere to go that isn't also suffering a major crisis as a result. There isn't just some magic country out there.


A ripple effect will be felt everywhere, sure, but some countries are a lot more self sustaining than others.

[tpols]

I'd also like to add that when the dollar fails, and it will, there won't be any country to flee to. Everything is too interconnected and the world is too entangled with the dollar for there to be anywhere to go that isn't also suffering a major crisis as a result. There isn't just some magic country out there.

So if everything is so connected, and everybody is going to fail when the dollar collapses, wouldn't that leave us in the same relative position we're currently in? What do you think is going to specifically happen when it collapses? The way I see it, China is just ****ed on their debt collection. What are they gonna do? It's like when you get a 100k hospital bill and 90% of it gets written off. They're just gonna have to eat it, especially after this virus thing.

[Shogon]

So if everything is so connected, and everybody is going to fail when the dollar collapses, wouldn't that leave us in the same relative position we're currently in? What do you think is going to specifically happen when it collapses? The way I see it, China is just ****ed on their debt collection. What are they gonna do? It's like when you get a 100k hospital bill and 90% of it gets written off. They're just gonna have to eat it, especially after this virus thing.

Dude.... if hyperinflation happens and OR we lose our status as having the world's reserve currency, everyone and I do mean everyone's standard of living that resides in the United States is going way down except for the elite. Down below what you would think possible.

China does not own all of our debt.

https://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2018/08/21/Photos/ZQ/MW-GO672_nation_20180821130954_ZQ.jpg

https://blog.independent.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/FY2018-preliminary-to-whom-does-the-US-government-owe-money.png

[tpols]

So it looks like the USA government owes most of the money to USA corporations, and some huge retirement funds. What's gonna happen imo from these charts is the old people are going to get screwed first. That wipes out a bunch. And the companies are going to get defaulted on, ones that can't make it in the aftermath will die and the big dogs like amazon will swipe in like vultures to pick up the scraps, and probably run it more efficiently than their predecessors. I'm not seeing how this leads to any immediate collapse in the near future. There's too many powerful businesses in this country like Amazon, Walmart, Google, etc. and many others that will find a way to flip any new currency to their advantage in our marketplace and keep us and their business afloat. Even if it ends up a cryptocurrency... We literally invented the internet. Have the best tech hubs in the whole world. That's only going to benefit us once again.

[FourthTenor]

Dude.... if hyperinflation happens and OR we lose our status as having the world's reserve currency, everyone and I do mean everyone's standard of living that resides in the United States is going way down except for the elite. Down below what you would think possible.

China does not own all of our debt.




What will hold up the elite's standard of living if nobody is working at the grocery store or watching the gates of their neighborhoods?

What is going to be available to them that isnt available to others in a collapse?

[Norcaliblunt]

I think the population control crowd needs to start doing their part, put their money where their mouth is, and start killing people.

[warriorfan]

I think the population control crowd needs to start doing their part, put their money where their mouth is, and start killing people.

What’s your address?

[Norcaliblunt]

What’s your address?

Lol. You better pack a lunch mofo.

[FourthTenor]

What’s your address?


:roll:


:djparty

[SouBeachTalents]

What’s your address?
6353 Juan Tabo Apt 6

[Shogon]

So it looks like the USA government owes most of the money to USA corporations, and some huge retirement funds. What's gonna happen imo from these charts is the old people are going to get screwed first. That wipes out a bunch. And the companies are going to get defaulted on, ones that can't make it in the aftermath will die and the big dogs like amazon will swipe in like vultures to pick up the scraps, and probably run it more efficiently than their predecessors. I'm not seeing how this leads to any immediate collapse in the near future. There's too many powerful businesses in this country like Amazon, Walmart, Google, etc. and many others that will find a way to flip any new currency to their advantage in our marketplace and keep us and their business afloat. Even if it ends up a cryptocurrency... We literally invented the internet. Have the best tech hubs in the whole world. That's only going to benefit us once again.

What's going to happen is your purchasing power is going to evaporate and the wealthy people are going to withdraw their wealth from the USD and US based companies and put it elsewhere. Your wages and savings will not keep up and you will be completely broke overnight.


What will hold up the elite's standard of living if nobody is working at the grocery store or watching the gates of their neighborhoods?

What is going to be available to them that isnt available to others in a collapse?

Well of course, everyone feel it. But when a chicken costs $100 or $200 or some crazy amount more I can't think of, the people hundreds of millions and billions will hardly feel it, relatively speaking. And they'll pull their wealth and find the best landing spot, which has yet to be determined, despite your allusions :D It won't be the US though. The wealthy elite will figure out a way to hedge their wealth. Common folk will get killed.


What’s your address?

:roll::roll::roll:

[Norcaliblunt]

Whether you want the police to kick homeless out of certain spots and the city to build “hostile architecture”, or you want more shelters built and some sort of social programs, you are asking the government/tax payers “somebody else” to handle it. Neither are free.

[Shogon]

Whether you want the police to kick homeless out of certain spots and the city to build “hostile architecture”, or you want more shelters built and some sort of social programs, you are asking the government/tax payers “somebody else” to handle it. Neither are free.

The market will handle it. They will be siphoned off of this existence by AI and robotics along with a good portion if not all of us.

[FourthTenor]

Well of course, everyone feel it. But when a chicken costs $100 or $200 or some crazy amount more I can't think of, the people hundreds of millions and billions will hardly feel it, relatively speaking. And they'll pull their wealth and find the best landing spot, which has yet to be determined, despite your allusions :D It won't be the US though. The wealthy elite will figure out a way to hedge their wealth. Common folk will get killed.




I'm somewhat skeptical we're at a place on the human timeline, at least in the developed world, where this is likely to happen. Developments in agriculture and technology have made it so, so much easier to produce things than ever before.

In the great depression, farmers were just families out in the country side who may have only had a hundred chickens to sell, so of course they put a premium on the price. Nowadays we have these massive, technologically driven farms, and food is produced so much more easily. And you dont gain anything from having leftovers. So even if you sell the first 100 chickens to rich people for 200 bucks... you've still got a thousand left, and you're gonna sell em for whatever people can afford.

At least that's my estimation. Obv theres no predicting the future, but I think the kind of "collapse" required today to put availability of basic necessities in jeopardy, would have to be so severe that the dollar is literally worth nothing anymore, as in, not even being honored. And therefore rich people would have no advantage. And therefore they have no incentive to let it get to that point.

Rather, I think you're just gonna see more affirmative action with regard to putting people of color into visible, middle class positions of management, ("ober-seers" is what they were called in the plantation days) so that the younger, poorer classes, whose numbers are increasingly minority, will feel more trustworthy of the people workin em. Ofc it will still be the upper class running things at a distance. And when young, poor minorities feel rowdy and wanna tear up a few middle class white folk now and then, there's not gonna be a lot of concern from the government about stopping it. Middle class whites are decreasing in value to the American government. They're gonna be increasingly willing to throw ya to the mob as long as it maintains the plantation. That's why people should be packin up. Not because the country is gonna collapse on itself into lord of the flies.

In my opinion, anyway. Although I wouldnt be entirely surprised at that result either.

[Kblaze8855]

We....will not see 200 dollar chickens as a norm. They are too easily produced in large numbers.

[warriorfan]

These convos are pointless. Theres too many Stephonits around now.

Next time special interests wanna cram illegal, unconstitutional laws down our throat, “hostile architecture” will be one of the first things they outlaw to distract and appease the beta boys like him.

It is what it is. Merica gon get worse before it gets better. If it gets better..

Make plans or bite the dust.

They will package it in with primetime’s bill to outlaw speech that he thinks is mean.

[FourthTenor]

They will package it in with primetime’s bill to outlaw speech that he thinks is mean.


If your tweet caused 40 million deranged lunatics to run into the streets and defecate on themselves then roll around in it in protest, it’s pretty clear the problem was you.

[Shogon]

We....will not see 200 dollar chickens as a norm. They are too easily produced in large numbers.

With all due respect...

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81BU1wksDAL._AC_SX679_.jpg

I'm not entirely sure that you understand.

And if you do, you don't believe... ok, well, we will see.

Here's Venezuela...

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBMdOay.img

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/8176dd_584d6c8550e042099d7ec5836affde65~mv2.jpg

They're still struggling.

[warriorfan]

If your tweet caused 40 million deranged lunatics to run into the streets and defecate on themselves then roll around in it in protest, it’s pretty clear the problem was you.

Clearly the only logical explanation.


With all due respect...

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81BU1wksDAL._AC_SX679_.jpg




:roll:

That’s insane.

[FourthTenor]

Clearly the only logical explanation.




:roll:

That’s insane.

Yeah, that hundred trillion dollar bill blows my mind every time I see it. We desensitize to the scale of these numbers, but a hundred trill is unthinkably stupid large. Hard to even conceive of its practical use as a monetary denomination.


That said, regarding Shogons post... I think we’re on two different pages.

Of course a chicken COULD eventually cost 200 bucks... but not equivalent to $200 of today’s purchasing power. I mean Im sure people far back enough would have never imagined a chicken costing 7 bucks, back in colonial times it probably cost 30 cents :lol

So it’s like 25 times “more expensive” today yet we eat more chicken than ever.

So yeah it could eventually cost 200 if minimum wages also climb to 200. But that wouldnt be any different in practical terms from todays world. It doesnt equate to a collapse.



Lack of availability of things in Zimbabwe and Venezuela has less to do with currency numbers, which are basically arbitrary, and more to do with available resources, technology, education, transportation etc.

All of which we have in abundance here

[warriorfan]

Yeah, that hundred trillion dollar bill blows my mind every time I see it. We desensitize to the scale of these numbers, but a hundred trill is unthinkably stupid large. Hard to even conceive of its practical use as a monetary denomination.


That said, regarding Shogons post... I think we’re on two different pages.

Of course a chicken COULD eventually cost 200 bucks... but not equivalent to $200 of today’s purchasing power. I mean Im sure people far back enough would have never imagined a chicken costing 7 bucks, back in colonial times it probably cost 30 cents :lol

So it’s like 25 times “more expensive” today yet we eat more chicken than ever.

So yeah it could eventually cost 200 if minimum wages also climb to 200. But that wouldnt be any different in practical terms from todays world. It doesnt equate to a collapse.



Lack of availability of things in Zimbabwe and Venezuela has less to do with currency numbers, which are basically arbitrary, and more to do with available resources, technology, education, transportation etc.

All of which we have in abundance here

It’s a mystery to me to be honest. I admit a lot of this stuff is over my head. I think going away from currency is actually backed by something real is the start. After choosing that path it is inevitable that things will crash and the trick is how long you can stave that off for.

I think depending on how long the coronavirus ordeal lingers that things could go south very quickly. We will see more people who can’t keep a float. Small businesses decimated and eventually larger and larger businesses going under as well. We will see more wealth consolidation, more printed money, more inflation. I’m not sure if it will be overnight. It will be a slow squeeze that we have already been seeing but accelerated some. I could see a scenario in 10 or 20 years where a chicken costs 200 bucks but 200 bucks is something like 50$ now.

[coin24]

Its such a losers mentality, "oh the billionaires could just pay for it and fix it"

Why is it up to them? Cause they're successful in their fields? You could all go and buy a meal or let one of the homeless on the street come and live in your houses, but do you? Of course not.


Don't worry in 2024 when AOC runs for president with r3tard as her VP all your problems will be solved:cheers:
Welfare country with everyone else leaving in droves

[coin24]

Hostile architecture are perfectly fine so poor/homeless people don't linger and cause problems for the city. There is nothing wrong with that at all. I was in San Francisco a year ago and it's so horrible. I don't know how the people don't riot and kick out the mayor/governor. Every single tourists I met complained about it and no doubt will tell their friends not to go.

There needs to be areas designed for poor people away from richer areas. Build subsidized apartments, shelters, do heavy policing and spend into education there. Pay public workers (police/teachers) more depending on supply/demand.


Spot on. Been there and have recommended to others don't bother it's a total shithole..
The homeless legit line the streets and use the sidewalk as a toilet.

[FourthTenor]

It’s a mystery to me to be honest. I admit a lot of this stuff is over my head. I think going away from currency is actually backed by something real is the start. After choosing that path it is inevitable that things will crash and the trick is how long you can stave that off for.

I think depending on how long the coronavirus ordeal lingers that things could go south very quickly. We will see more people who can’t keep a float. Small businesses decimated and eventually larger and larger businesses going under as well. We will see more wealth consolidation, more printed money, more inflation. I’m not sure if it will be overnight. It will be a slow squeeze that we have already been seeing but accelerated some. I could see a scenario in 10 or 20 years where a chicken costs 200 bucks but 200 bucks is something like 50$ now.

I agree the corona revolution is an accelerating event toward a new economic normal. But I think there are still way too many people willing to go to work and produce something in exchange for american dollars for an imminent collapse. As long as people are willing to work regardless of policy and inflation etc, the system basically works.

It may be true that our monetary policy alone could lead to collapse down the road. In some ways it may just be a matter of which factor is gonna break the system first. I think social upheaval is more likely to be the imminent catalyst than Fed policy, altho I could be wrong about that.

Obviously both are in a bad place right now, so... the future is definitely dubious.

[Norcaliblunt]

WW3 might be the only thing to save us economically. Or kill us physically.

[FourthTenor]

WW3 might be the only thing to save us economically. Or kill us physically.

Not sure how much fighting we'll see among countries with nuclear capability at this point.

Gonna have to stick to invading the Vietnams and Afghanistans.

Maybe start some beef with Tonga and whoop their asses.

[Norcaliblunt]

Not sure how much fighting we'll see among countries with nuclear capability at this point.

Gonna have to stick to invading the Vietnams and Afghanistans.

Maybe start some beef with Tonga and whoop their asses.

Nukes are fake news they don’t exist.

[MMM]

With all due respect...

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81BU1wksDAL._AC_SX679_.jpg

I'm not entirely sure that you understand.

And if you do, you don't believe... ok, well, we will see.

Here's Venezuela...

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBMdOay.img

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/8176dd_584d6c8550e042099d7ec5836affde65~mv2.jpg

They're still struggling.
These countries should be looking at cryptos. Lebanon will be the next one I guess

[MMM]

Also to the overpopulation crowd, I think we are reaching a point where population growth actually declines. China and India are both becoming richer and more urbanized thus population growths are already slowing. The overall population could decline by the end if the century.

Also look for Africa and south America become the new main markets for cheap labour as the Asain countries have grown past those capacities. I mean why build in China when you can build in Mexico or central America.

[999Guy]

Why is a conservatives plan always to destroy shit? You think creating crash bandicoot death traps for every idiot with schizophrenia or depression is some solution to shit.

What ****ing problem in life gets solved by neglect, which this shit is?

I can think of tons of examples of government abandoning a problem like this and it turning the situation FAR worse.

****, were living it right now with COVID-19. You ****** are beyond immature with your opinions. I assume that shit is a much more relaxing and easy way to live on the surface but you can let things boil.

Actually confront problems you dumb twats. I can’t imagine how you idiots deal with life.

[warriorfan]

Why is a conservatives plan always to destroy shit? You think creating crash bandicoot death traps for every idiot with schizophrenia or depression is some solution to shit.

What ****ing problem in life gets solved by neglect, which this shit is?

I can think of tons of examples of government abandoning a problem like this and it turning the situation FAR worse.

****, were living it right now with COVID-19. You ****** are beyond immature with your opinions. I assume that shit is a much more relaxing and easy way to live on the surface but you can let things boil.

Actually confront problems you dumb twats. I can’t imagine how you idiots deal with life.

What’s your address?

[Stephonit]

With all due respect...

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81BU1wksDAL._AC_SX679_.jpg

I'm not entirely sure that you understand.

And if you do, you don't believe... ok, well, we will see.


The key is the second part of his statement "they are too easily produced in large numbers".

Hyperinflation occurs when too much money chases too few goods. That's why over the past couple of decades despite the money supply increasing steadily there have actually been pockets of deflation. Common reason given: China is exporting deflation because of the number of goods it is churning out. Housing prices though keep going up because not as much supply is being made available.

Economics 101: Wealth is goods and services.

In other words real wealth in relation to a country is not about money which it can create at a snap of a finger or a press of a keyboard button. It depends on what you can produce. This Covid-19 pandemic should be making that plain as much as any recent event in history.

Zimbabwe at the same time it was unleashing the monetary spigots was seizing productive farms and businesses from white folk and giving it to inexperienced ignorant blacks causing production to fall. That double whammy made the Zimbabwe experience particularly awful.

[Shogon]

The key is the second part of his statement "they are too easily produced in large numbers".

Hyperinflation occurs when too much money chases too few goods. That's why over the past couple of decades despite the money supply increasing steadily there have actually been pockets of deflation. Common reason given: China is exporting deflation because of the number of goods it is churning out. Housing prices though keep going up because not as much supply is being made available.

Economics 101: Wealth is goods and services.

In other words real wealth in relation to a country is not about money which it can create at a snap of a finger or a press of a keyboard button. It depends on what you can produce. This Covid-19 pandemic should be making that plain as much as any recent event in history.

Zimbabwe at the same time it was unleashing the monetary spigots was seizing productive farms and businesses from white folk and giving it to inexperienced ignorant blacks causing production to fall. That double whammy made the Zimbabwe experience particularly awful.

Obviously we haven't experienced hyperinflation yet. As more and more people wake up to the fact that we're never going to pay back our debt because we can't without just printing more money and thus devaluing the dollar even further, you will see sentiment continue to shift until the shit hits the fan. It just hasn't yet. It will.

Yes, the increase in production of goods and advances in technology have helped keep the impact of inflation on the consumer to a minimum when making daily purchases in stores, but that won't continue to outpace inflation forever. I mean, efficiency can only go so high. We still haven't capped in terms of efficiency obviously because the robots haven't taken full control. But I digress... yes, as you stated, housing has skyrocketed because that's where inflation has been felt. But just because it hasn't been felt yet in every other aspect of life doesn't mean that ridiculous amounts of inflation of the currency isn't occurring. It's just that, as you said, the deflationary pressure coming out of China and again, more efficient and better production methods, has kept prices down.

There hasn't been this magical surge in housing in the United States that has led to these prices. That's a direct result almost exclusively of the federal reserve's actions, aka lots and lots of inflation. The entire economic structure that we have right now is that everything must go up forever or it all falls apart. It's nonsense. Anyways... it's not just housing. It has shown up in other assets like gold, vehicles, etc. As of Februrary 2020, the average transaction price for a vehicle was like $37,800 in February. I mean that's actually ****ing insane. In 2000, it was $21,850. It's getting close to having doubled in 20 years, lol.

A house in 2000 was $119k... in 2020, it's $320k. Has the population gone up by double and thus demand doubled? No! Of course not! It's multiple factors but almost exclusively at the hands of the federal reserve and their money printing bullshit.

Eventually everyone is going to wake the **** up.

But for now we just putter along as if the parade of bullshit will go on forever. It won't. I fully believe that if you are under the age of 65, you will not escape this life without dealing with the truly devastating consequences of the central bank's actions.

[Shogon]

I mean, the fact that you can go out there and absolutely bust your ass... and put your money in a checking account or stuff it under your mattress, and if you do nothing with it but sit on it and save it, will result in you losing your ass... is total bullshit. If you put in the work, you should be able to keep the fruits of your labor without having to invest it in some type of vehicle that ultimately exposes you to risk, even if the risk is small.

The entire system is fraudulent.



https://pics.me.me/inflation-silently-robbing-you-of-purchasing-power-since-1913-20-27604238.png

[Kblaze8855]

I’m talking about chickens. I....as a 7 year old...was capable of everything required to maintain a huge number of chickens. My grandfather was a farmer. Chickens maintain themselves with very little effort. The day chicken prices soar I’ll start farming them like everyone else with a brain. You can leave those bitches unattended in the woods and they will live on their own and fly back when you rattle a bag of corn 500 yards away(chickens can fly a lot better than people think).

Crazy expensive beef? Maybe. A cow takes time and effort to raise. Aside from predators taking some raising chickens is like growing grass. Long as it rains a bit they are fine.

Those things are machines and are grown before you know it.

[Shogon]

I’m talking about chickens. I....as a 7 year old...was capable of everything required to maintain a huge number of chickens. My grandfather was a farmer. Chickens maintain themselves with very little effort. The day chicken prices soar I’ll start farming them like everyone else with a brain. You can leave those bitches unattended in the woods and they will live on their own and fly back when you rattle a bag of corn 500 yards away(chickens can fly a lot better than people think).

Crazy expensive beef? Maybe. A cow takes time and effort to raise. Aside from predators taking some raising chickens is like growing grass. Long as it rains a bit they are fine.

Those things are machines and are grown before you know it.

You're taking it as if I'm saying the demand in chickens will raise to $200 in today's prices. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that chickens will cost $200. That doesn't mean the value of the dollar stays the same.

And thus... the entire point of my previous post and what I'm trying to communicate.

As I said from the beginning, it's clear you didn't understand. I was never suggesting that the demand for chickens was going to soar to that degree.

[Kblaze8855]

If we aren’t talking relative to the times none of it matters. Lots of things are ten-20 times what they used to cost while still being insignificant sums of money. The shit you’re talking is an incredibly unlikely doomsday scenario like all the other “The end is near” types. Every version of you from the global warming nuts, to super religious, and the gun hoarding bunker guys have and will continue being wrong while being absolutely sure everyone else will eventually be proven insane for not listening.

There’s nothing to be done about those types but I’ll take your poorly printed pamphlet now and pretend to glance at it as I walk away to avoid having to hear your whole spiel.

[Norcaliblunt]

Extreme deflation would mean there’s no money. It appeals to people who have crazy amounts of cash saved and they can swoop in and buy everything up. When most of the country is in debt though extremely deflating the economy is genocidal worse than hyperinflation.

[HylianNightmare]

**** 90% of homeless people

[Gabe Ball]

**** 90% of homeless people

Someone had a bad day

[highwhey]

I mean, the fact that you can go out there and absolutely bust your ass... and put your money in a checking account or stuff it under your mattress, and if you do nothing with it but sit on it and save it, will result in you losing your ass... is total bullshit. If you put in the work, you should be able to keep the fruits of your labor without having to invest it in some type of vehicle that ultimately exposes you to risk, even if the risk is small.

The entire system is fraudulent.



https://pics.me.me/inflation-silently-robbing-you-of-purchasing-power-since-1913-20-27604238.png

yeah except with the dollar, you don't have to worry about whales manipulating the market and making btc's value halve in a month.

with the dollar, you can sleep soundly that it's purchasing power will be the same in a week or month. sure, in a decade you'll have less purchasing power.

in other words, you can safely rely on the dollar being the same in 3 months or a year. some people save up that long for a trip, house, or vehicle. good luck doing that with btc, you'll have to wait for its value to increase if you need to use it when it's value has plummeted.

[warriorfan]

yeah except with the dollar, you don't have to worry about whales manipulating the market and making btc's value halve in a month.

with the dollar, you can sleep soundly that it's purchasing power will be the same in a week or month. sure, in a decade you'll have less purchasing power.

in other words, you can safely rely on the dollar being the same in 3 months or a year. some people save up that long for a trip, house, or vehicle. good luck doing that with btc, you'll have to wait for its value to increase if you need to use it when it's value has plummeted.

You never invest all of your money in one investment like that. You can put money in BTC without it being ALL of your money...

As for purchasing power being halved in a week...That only really happened with the coronavirus issues that were going around which created an effect across the board. It’s come back quite nicely already.

[Shogon]

with the dollar, you can sleep soundly that it's purchasing power will be the same in a week or month. sure, in a decade you'll have less purchasing power.

Just because something like that hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean that it's not going to.

Warren "never bet against America" Buffet just purchased stake in a gold mining company as he liquidated some of his stake with some American banks like JPMorgan, Wells Fargo & Goldman.

Yeah... k.